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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Vegetarian Virgin Mary Ad Riles Boston Church
BOSTON (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston Tuesday demanded the removal of an animal rights group's billboard advertisement depicting the Virgin Mary cradling a lifeless chicken in her arms. The ad by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals features the tagline "Go Vegetarian -- It's an Immaculate Conception," a reference to teachings about Mary's purity. http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message link.net... > Vegetarian Virgin Mary Ad Riles Boston Church > > BOSTON (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of > Boston Tuesday demanded the removal of an animal rights > group's billboard advertisement depicting the Virgin > Mary cradling a lifeless chicken in her arms. > > The ad by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > features the tagline "Go Vegetarian -- It's an > Immaculate Conception," a reference to teachings about > Mary's purity. > > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > Blasphemy. Disgusting. -Rubystars |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement
with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting the exact opposite message. They should all sit down and read Dale Carnigies "How to win friends and influence people". and help the vegan movement a lot more. Sad. Rubystars wrote: >"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message hlink.net... > > >>Vegetarian Virgin Mary Ad Riles Boston Church >> >>BOSTON (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of >>Boston Tuesday demanded the removal of an animal rights >>group's billboard advertisement depicting the Virgin >>Mary cradling a lifeless chicken in her arms. >> >>The ad by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals >>features the tagline "Go Vegetarian -- It's an >>Immaculate Conception," a reference to teachings about >>Mary's purity. >> >> >> >> >http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > > > >Blasphemy. Disgusting. > >-Rubystars > > > > |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Beach Runner" > wrote in message m... > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > the exact opposite message. I agree. Did you also see the "Mommy kills animals" comic from PETA with the graphic picture of the skinned animal in it? It told kids to keep their dogs and cats away from mommy because she might kill them. > They should all sit down and read Dale Carnigies > "How to win friends and influence people". and help the vegan movement > a lot more. What exactly is the "vegan movement?" Most of what I see promoted by vegans is the "pigs are equal to humans" stuff that PETA promotes. So I'm not sure if there is a better side to it or not. > Sad. Yeah it is sad. IMO they'd do much better to actually donate the money they spend on those offensive ads to an animal shelter or animal sanctuary or rescue group. -Rubystars |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Rubystars wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message > link.net... > > Vegetarian Virgin Mary Ad Riles Boston Church > > > > BOSTON (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of > > Boston Tuesday demanded the removal of an animal rights > > group's billboard advertisement depicting the Virgin > > Mary cradling a lifeless chicken in her arms. > > > > The ad by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > > features the tagline "Go Vegetarian -- It's an > > Immaculate Conception," a reference to teachings about > > Mary's purity. > > > > > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > > > > Blasphemy. Disgusting. What's "blasphemy"? The suggestion that the alleged Mother of God might offer succor to a lowly chicken? What's "disgusting" is that Catholics would take offense at the idea. > > -Rubystars |
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Beach Runner wrote:
> > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > with acts like that. Why should it hurt the animal rights cause to remind Catholics that chickens are also children of god? Or are they? Maybe the Catholic God doesn't give a lowdown shit about chickens. Is that what you think? > It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a bunch of > insensitive, Why should Catholics be offended by the image of a Catholic icon in an act of kindness to animals? > insane, Is it "insane" to imagine that a Catholic representation of love and nurture would love and nurture animals as well as people? If it is, it's "insane" to consider Catholicism a loving religion. > immature people. Hardly. PETA, once agian, proves itself a masterful manipulator of media. Who else can garner international attention with a couple of cheap billboards? > We should be projecting the exact opposite message. Speak for yourself, please. > They should all sit down and read Dale Carnigies > "How to win friends and influence people". and help the vegan movement > a lot more. > Thanks for the laugh. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"frlpwr" > wrote in message ...
> Rubystars wrote: > > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > > > > > > > Blasphemy. Disgusting. > > What's "blasphemy"? The suggestion that the alleged Mother of God might > offer succor to a lowly chicken? What's "disgusting" is that Catholics > would take offense at the idea. Roman Catholics are offended that someone can be even more self-righteous than they are. Here's the poster btw http://www.jesusveg.com/Marychickenbb.pdf |
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"Dutch" > wrote in message ... > "frlpwr" > wrote in message ... > > Rubystars wrote: > > > > > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > > > > > > > > > > Blasphemy. Disgusting. > > > > What's "blasphemy"? The suggestion that the alleged Mother of God might > > offer succor to a lowly chicken? What's "disgusting" is that Catholics > > would take offense at the idea. > > Roman Catholics are offended that someone can be even more self-righteous > than they are. > > Here's the poster btw http://www.jesusveg.com/Marychickenbb.pdf I'm non-denom and I find that poster disgusting because it puts a chicken in the place of Jesus Christ. Also that it uses the image of his mother (someone all Christians should feel great respect for) to prop up a wacky political philosophy. -Rubystars |
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frlpwr wrote:
> What's "blasphemy"? The suggestion that the alleged Mother of God might > offer succor to a lowly chicken? What's "disgusting" is that Catholics > would take offense at the idea. As you seem to be a non-native speaker of English, maybe a brief lesson is in order. The phase "offer succor" is used to mean offering support and comfort to the living. Therefore it is impossible to "offer succor" to a dead chicken, it would be possible to use the chicken to "offer succor" to the living, maybe in a nice chicken soup. Maybe that is it! PETA wants everyone to go out and make chicken soup, it is supposed to be good for colds and other winter ails. Everyone go out and support PETA, here is a Jewish recipe for Chicken Soup and Matzoth Balls. Remember kill a chicken for PETA, it's what they want. NANCY'S HOMEMADE JEWISH CHICKEN SOUP Good for What Ails You Ingredients 1 chicken, at least 3 - 4 pounds, cut up into 8 or 9 pieces 1 tablespoon of salt, more to taste some pepper bunch of parsley bunch of dill bunch of celery 1 ½ - 2 pounds of carrots 1 ½ - 2 pounds of onions 2 or 3 parsnips are nice too, but not required lots of water Directions 1. Put cleaned chicken in the bottom of a large pot. 2. Cover the chicken with water and add salt. Your pot should be less than two-thirds full. 3. Bring to a full boil over high heat. Skim off any foam that may develop, preferably into a fat skimmer. Throw out the foam, but put the water back into the soup pot. 4. Add the pepper and all the parsley and dill. Also add the heart, the leaves, and a few stalks of the celery. 5. Cut about ¼ of the carrots & onions into chunks. Also one of the parsnips if you're using them. 6. Add the chopped carrots, etc. 7. Slowly boil all this for as long as you can bear it. Three hours is ideal. Two will do. Add extra water as needed to keep the pot around two-thirds full. If you have a fat skimmer, repeatedly skim off the fat that comes to the top. If you don't, before the soup can be eaten, you'll have to leave it in the refrigerator for quite some time (probably over night), until the fat on top solidifies and can be lifted off. If you have no room in the fridge, the trunk of your car will work, assuming it's cold outside. 8. After the stock has cooked for two to three hours, turn off the heat. Then carefully remove everything from the liquid, placing it all in a colander that's sitting in a big bowl. The stock should go back into the soup pot. The chicken, vegetables, and herbs should be left to cool for about half an hour. 9. In the meantime, dice up lots of celery and the remaining carrots and onions. Parsnips too, if you're using them. If you're going to make matzoth balls, prepare and refrigerate them -- batter recipe follows. 10. Bring the soup back to a boil and add the chopped vegetables. Cook for about half an hour more. At the same time, add pieces of chicken to the pot, completely boning the chicken as you go along. (The vegetables used in making the stock can be eaten as is, chopped and added to the soup, put in your compost pile, or just thrown out.) 11. Check the seasoning. You'll probably want to add more salt and pepper. Then add the matzoth balls and cover the pot. 12. Turn the matzoth balls occasionally, and cook for another 30 minutes or so. The soup will be delicious its first day - and better the next. Store any leftover soup in the refrigerator. I store it right in the pot. Matzoth Balls These are delicious, not required, and certainly the least healthy part of the soup. You can use noodles or rice instead. If you do go for the matzoth balls, cook them separately and add to each bowl as you serve. Since the soup is so thick, it's also fine without a starch. Ingredients 4 tablespoons of melted chicken fat (or use vegetable oil to cut down on cholesterol) 4 large eggs (I use jumbos) 1 cup matzoth meal (Add ¼ cup more if you like them hard; use ¼ cup less for airy balls. We prefer the harder ones.) 1 teaspoon salt 4 tablespoons of soup stock Directions 1. Beat the eggs slightly and then add the fat. Mix well. 2. Add the matzoth meal and the salt. Mix well. 3. Add the soup stock. Again mix well. 4. Refrigerate for ½ hour or more. 5. About 45 minutes before the soup is to be served, form little matzoth balls and drop them into the pot of boiling water. You should end up with about 8 to 10 balls. Keep the pot covered as the matzoth balls cook, and turn them a couple of times. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Bob Yates wrote:
> (snip) > > The phase "offer succor" is used to mean offering support and comfort > to the living. Therefore it is impossible to "offer succor" to a dead > chicken, How do you know the chicken is dead? Maybe it's in a coma. Or, since we're delving into the world of the miraculous, maybe the dead chicken is about to become reanimated. > it would be possible to use the chicken to "offer succor" to > the living, maybe in a nice chicken soup. Are you the same guy who nominated People Eating Tasty Animals as the Joke of the Year? I'm beginning to think there is a close connection between meat-eating and unoriginality. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Beach Runner" > wrote in message m... > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > the exact opposite message. > > They should all sit down and read Dale Carnigies > "How to win friends and influence people". and help the vegan movement > a lot more. Groups like PETA would like to use the force of law--the point of a gun, in other words--to force us all to acquiesce to their ideal: a meat-free society. Dale Carnegie isn't going to help you sugarcoat that. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
frlpwr wrote:
> > Bob Yates wrote: > > The phase "offer succor" is used to mean offering support and comfort > to the living. Therefore it is impossible to "offer succor" to a dead > > chicken, > > How do you know the chicken is dead? Maybe it's in a coma. Or, since > we're delving into the world of the miraculous, maybe the dead chicken > is about to become reanimated. Oh, I am sorry, I thought that you had been reading the thread, the message that you replied to said "lifeless" which would tend to imply dead to a native speaker of English. > > > it would be possible to use the chicken to "offer succor" to > > the living, maybe in a nice chicken soup. > > Are you the same guy who nominated People Eating Tasty Animals as the > Joke of the Year? I'm beginning to think there is a close connection > between meat-eating and unoriginality. No relationship to any joke nomination. I had no intention of being original, just applying a rational interpretation to the poster from PETA. Maybe we should continue in your native language, I have friends and relatives that speak a variety of non-Engligh languages. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Rubystars" > wrote in message
. .. > > "Dutch" > wrote in message > ... > > "frlpwr" > wrote in message > ... > > > Rubystars wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/n...40920000245585 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blasphemy. Disgusting. > > > > > > What's "blasphemy"? The suggestion that the alleged Mother of God might > > > offer succor to a lowly chicken? What's "disgusting" is that Catholics > > > would take offense at the idea. > > > > Roman Catholics are offended that someone can be even more self-righteous > > than they are. > > > > Here's the poster btw http://www.jesusveg.com/Marychickenbb.pdf > > I'm non-denom and I find that poster disgusting because it puts a chicken in > the place of Jesus Christ. Also that it uses the image of his mother > (someone all Christians should feel great respect for) to prop up a wacky > political philosophy. Until Roman Catholics get their kiddie-diddler priesthood under control they have a nerve criticizing anyone. |
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"Dutch" > wrote in message <snip> > Until Roman Catholics get their kiddie-diddler priesthood under control they > have a nerve criticizing anyone. Now Dutch I agree that there was a large scandal there but I still have alot of respect for priests and nuns who are serious about dedicating their life to serving God and their fellow believers. I have some family members who were molested by protestant ministers. In fact there are probably more protestant ministers who do this kind of thing simply because there are so many of them and many of them have less hierarchy to answer to (that's where the problem was with the RCC, the hierarchy that was in place failed to hold the priests accountable). The PETA ad offended me because as a Christian I hold Mary in high regard as being the mother of Jesus and the first Christian, and Jesus as my Savior, and I hate seing their images profaned like that. -Rubystars |
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Mary and the Miraculous Chicken
frlpwr wrote: > Bob Yates wrote: > > (snip) > >>The phase "offer succor" is used to mean offering support and comfort > to the living. Therefore it is impossible to "offer succor" to a dead >>chicken, > How do you know the chicken is dead? Maybe it's in a coma. Or, since > we're delving into the world of the miraculous, maybe the dead chicken > is about to become reanimated. Now THERE's a cool idea! If people can see the face of Jesus in a tortilla, why not a miracle to bring an abused chicken back to life? Go for it, Mary! Rat <snip> |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
That is an excellent question. The end of factory farming animals, people eating animals, protecting the environment, and perhaps most important, PROTECTING HABITAT. The number one thing destroying natural life is the destruction of habitat. I'm not a Christian, but I know 99% of Christians will find the ad offensive, even if they care about animals. They could say, Mother Mary would care about animals and the world, and make similar statements. Their standard answer is a Catholic thought up the ad. That is the same justification they used when their horrible Holocaust ad was used. All it did was create animosity and I doubt it created one "convert" to someone that wasn't already a vegetarian Peta could and has done a lot of good, but they are making some horrendous mistakes. They need to understand marketing 101 if they want to promote their ideals. It makes them seem rude, crazy, and lacking sensativity, the exact opposite message I would hope to promote. Just remember, the most important part of the picture is we want to make animals lives better and protect natural habitat. That won't offend anyone. Say it nicely. Bob > > |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Bob Yates wrote:
> > frlpwr wrote: > (snip) > Oh, I am sorry, I thought that you had been reading the thread, the > message that you replied to said "lifeless" which would tend to imply > dead to a native speaker of English. Never trust Reuters to double check the facts. I took a closer look at the chicken poster and it's clear the poor bird is suffering from bad juju. Cheap ass chicken farmers and their contaminated puffer fish feed. If the Virgin can spare a kind touch, the zombie bird could Rise and Walk. (snip) > I had no intention of being original, A good thing, too. You're not up to it. (snip) > I have friends and relatives that speak a variety of non-Engligh > languages. They're only pretending to speak other languages so they don't have to talk to you. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Beach Runner" > wrote in message <snip> > Just remember, the most important part of the picture is we want to make > animals lives > better and protect natural habitat. That won't offend anyone. Say it > nicely. These are worthy goals. PETA intends to do much more than that though, they intend to end all animal use, not just abuse. -Rubystars |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Rubystars" > wrote in message ... > > "Beach Runner" > wrote in message > <snip> > > Just remember, the most important part of the picture is we want to make > > animals lives > > better and protect natural habitat. That won't offend anyone. Say it > > nicely. > > These are worthy goals. PETA intends to do much more than that though, they > intend to end all animal use, not just abuse. > Of course, and their advertising is clearly aimed at their existing and future membership, not the general public. PETA and organisations like it exist to meet a need that bored white urban middle class youngsters have to belong to an oppressed group, because it seems trendy to be an anarchist. They see others minorities apparently enjoying their anger with the establishment and want to do something similar. Michael Saunby |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Beach Runner > wrote in message om>...
> Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > the exact opposite message. Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. I'm a supportive member. Do you really have any data to support your position? I think not. ########################## Musicians' Health Listserv http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusiciansHealth/ |
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"Elle Mathews" > wrote in message om... > Beach Runner > wrote in message om>... > > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > > the exact opposite message. > > > Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. > Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. I'm a > supportive member. Do you really have any data to support your > position? I think not. Are you aware that they support terrorist organizations? -Rubystars |
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"Elle Mathews" > wrote in message om... > Beach Runner > wrote in message om>... > > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > > the exact opposite message. > > > Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. > Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. I'm a > supportive member. Do you really have any data to support your > position? I think not. > It probably does harm the very many people who choose to declare themselves to be vegetarian for ethical reasons. Such behavior is clearly non violent in nature and makes no great demands of others. Proselytizing vegans like PETA may not all be violent but they clearly aren't simply prepared to abstain from meat but wish to fight some kind of war in order to change the world to fit the ideals of their charismatic cult leaders Though just as the activists see the damage done by releasing mink or similar into the wild as a necessary loss of animal life to further their cause (just as those who use animals for medical research see a greater purpose in their actions) then I guess the loss of esteem for vegetarians in general is seen as a reasonable price to pay. A simple google search on "militant vegan" or "anarchist vegan" (or similar with vegetarian) shows there are a lot of angry teenagers out there that have chosen veganism as their personal cause (until such time as they die or get a job). Michael Saunby |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
Elle Mathews wrote:
> Beach Runner > wrote in message om>... > >>Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement >>with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a >>bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting >>the exact opposite message. > > > > Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. No, it isn't nonsense. It might be incorrect - I don't know how anyone would tell for sure - but it isn't nonsense. They could do more harm than good, to their cause, if their gratuitously offensive and antagonistic publicity stunts turned off some people who are on the fence, so to speak. Personally, I LIKE that they might be doing more harm than good. I consider them to be irrational extremists whose point of view, but not the people themselves, is slightly dangerous. Fortunately, because they are far more the object of derision and contempt than anything else, no one takes them really seriously. > Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. You are a fool. > I'm a supportive member. And a fool. > Do you really have any data to support your > position? I think not. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000, "Michael Saunby"
> wrote: > >"Elle Mathews" > wrote in message . com... >> Beach Runner > wrote in message . com>... >> > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement >> > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a >> > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting >> > the exact opposite message. >> >> >> Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. >> Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. I'm a >> supportive member. Do you really have any data to support your >> position? I think not. >> > >It probably does harm the very many people who choose to declare themselves >to be vegetarian for ethical reasons. Such behavior is clearly non violent >in nature and makes no great demands of others. Proselytizing vegans like >PETA may not all be violent but they clearly aren't simply prepared to >abstain from meat but wish to fight some kind of war in order to change the >world to fit the ideals of their charismatic cult leaders > >Though just as the activists see the damage done by releasing mink or >similar into the wild as a necessary loss of animal life to further their >cause (just as those who use animals for medical research see a greater >purpose in their actions) then I guess the loss of esteem for vegetarians >in general is seen as a reasonable price to pay. > >A simple google search on "militant vegan" or "anarchist vegan" (or similar >with vegetarian) shows there are a lot of angry teenagers out there that >have chosen veganism as their personal cause (until such time as they die >or get a job). > >Michael Saunby > From: "Michael Saunby" > Subject: Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000 Message-ID: > X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.127 NNTP-Posting-Host: mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com X-Trace: 27 Dec 2003 19:15:21 GMT, mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com Path:uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com Looks like mike is getting ready to find a new ISP, why mike? ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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"Thighbone Lee Jackson" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000, "Michael Saunby" > > wrote: > > > > > From: "Michael Saunby" > > Subject: Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as > ever > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000 > Message-ID: > > X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.127 > NNTP-Posting-Host: mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com > X-Trace: 27 Dec 2003 19:15:21 GMT, mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com > Path:uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demo n!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com > > > Looks like mike is getting ready to find a new ISP, why mike? > > And it look like Peter Clark/Hills (JudgeDred, Ratchet, Mbongo) of Animal Aid UK doesn't think it will necessarily be in his best interests. Why would that be Peter? Though perhaps it has nothing at all to do with the Animal Aid and their usenet stalker/email-bombers, and more to do with other stuff. Let's see eh Peter? Why not send a few complaints about my posts to my "new" ISP and see what happens. Good luck. Michael Saunby |
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Give me a break!
Beach Runner said in responce to the question: "What exactly is the "vegan movement?" > That is an excellent question. The end of factory farming animals, *** What a load of manure. Vegans and animal rights types are certainly NOT aginst "factory farming". The fact that it is the small family farmers that they are assising to put out of business first should make this obvious to any reasonable person. The fact is that the number of small family farms such as ours decreases every years and the number of large farms increases every year. The vegan / animal rights crowd are helping to speed this process up When a vegan / animal rights types uses information, disinformation, half trueths, and propaganda to discourage others from consuming animal products who do you think it is who suffers? The large farm with huge amounts of capital behind them that allow them to take the resulting lower prices or the small family farmer who is operating under slim margins already? The interesting thing is that if the vegan / animal rights types where actually interested in getting rid of "factory farming" they would find a lot of support and allies among the small family farmers. In fact the anti "factory farm" retoric from each group sounds about the same. Kala Thompson Farmer Richland Center, Wi -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:29:51 -0000, "Michael Saunby"
> wrote: > >"Thighbone Lee Jackson" > wrote in message .. . >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000, "Michael Saunby" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> From: "Michael Saunby" > >> Subject: Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as >> ever >> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000 >> Message-ID: > >> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.127 >> NNTP-Posting-Host: mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> X-Trace: 27 Dec 2003 19:15:21 GMT, mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> >Path:uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demo >n!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> >> >> Looks like mike is getting ready to find a new ISP, why mike? >> >> > >And it look like Peter Clark/Hills (JudgeDred, Ratchet, Mbongo) of Animal >Aid UK doesn't think it will necessarily be in his best interests. Best interests to do what? >Why >would that be Peter? New home, new job, may as well have a new ISP too...good idea michael. Pete whom? >Though perhaps it has nothing at all to do with the Animal Aid and their >usenet stalker/email-bombers, and more to do with other stuff. Let's see >eh Peter? Pardon? how long have you been drinking today? >Why not send a few complaints about my posts to my "new" ISP and see what >happens. Good luck. Why would anyone want to do that?, bad enough getting dumped by demon, they dump nobody usually, even pedo's are safe with them, so you must have been bad, bad, bad. come on tell us what you been upto? after all it is christmas ho ho ho. ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:35:07 -0600, "Russ Thompson" >
wrote: > >Beach Runner said in responce to the question: >"What exactly is the "vegan movement?" > >> That is an excellent question. The end of factory farming animals, > >*** What a load of manure. Vegans and animal rights types are certainly NOT >aginst "factory farming". The fact that it is the small family farmers that >they are assising to put out of business first should make this obvious to >any reasonable person. > The fact is that the number of small family farms such as ours decreases >every years and the number of large farms increases every year. The vegan / >animal rights crowd are helping to speed this process up > When a vegan / animal rights types uses information, disinformation, >half trueths, and propaganda to discourage others from consuming animal >products who do you think it is who suffers? The large farm with huge >amounts of capital behind them that allow them to take the resulting lower >prices or the small family farmer who is operating under slim margins >already? > The interesting thing is that if the vegan / animal rights types where >actually interested in getting rid of "factory farming" they would find a >lot of support and allies among the small family farmers. In fact the anti >"factory farm" retoric from each group sounds about the same. > >Kala Thompson >Farmer >Richland Center, Wi Make a new year resolution to try and not sound so stupid next year. Since when does the small farmer giles do anything other then for themselves? ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:29:51 -0000, "Michael Saunby"
> wrote: > >"Thighbone Lee Jackson" > wrote in message .. . >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000, "Michael Saunby" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> From: "Michael Saunby" > >> Subject: Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as >> ever >> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:15:14 -0000 >> Message-ID: > >> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.127 >> NNTP-Posting-Host: mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> X-Trace: 27 Dec 2003 19:15:21 GMT, mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> >Path:uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demo >n!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com >> >> >> Looks like mike is getting ready to find a new ISP, why mike? >> >> > >And it look like Peter Clark/Hills (JudgeDred, Ratchet, Mbongo) Cant make your mind up now michael? bwahahahahahahaha do you just throw darts at the phonebook or worse do you get RSPB marksmen to do it for you! lol Come and join our gang we'll educate you, feed you and show you how it's done. ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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> Make a new year resolution to try and not sound so stupid next year. *** Ah yes, the standard responce for those who are unable to make a reasonable argument - resort to personal insults. > > Since when does the small farmer giles do anything other then for > themselves? *** Well as I have said I am not a native speaker of english and I do not know what "giles" means. Kala Thompson Farmer Richland Center, Wi USA -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
"Elle Mathews" > wrote in message om... > Beach Runner > wrote in message om>... > > Well, I think Peta does more to hurt the vegetarian/vegan movement > > with acts like that. It's sad, but it makes vegetarians look like a > > bunch of insensitive, insane, immature people. We should be projecting > > the exact opposite message. > > > Please, that's nonsense to suggest that PETA does more harm than good. > Can you offer anything better. Personally, they're in my will. I'm a > supportive member. Do you really have any data to support your > position? I think not. ====================== ROTFLMAO What a hoot! PeTA kills more animals than it saves once they get their bloody hands on them! The 'e' isn't lower case for nothing, you know. Well, maybe you don't know, being the ignorant dupe that you are. PeTA loves getting their claws into rubes like you... > > > > ########################## > Musicians' Health Listserv > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MusiciansHealth/ |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:00:12 -0600, "Russ Thompson" >
wrote: > > >> Make a new year resolution to try and not sound so stupid next year. > >*** Ah yes, the standard responce for those who are unable to make a >reasonable argument - resort to personal insults. Don't be silly, it's not personal it applies to all of you. >> Since when does the small farmer giles do anything other then for >> themselves? > >*** Well as I have said I am not a native speaker of english and I do not >know what "giles" means. OK so drop it then. Since when does the small farmer do anything other then for themselves? ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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> Don't be silly, it's not personal it applies to all of you. > *** You said that I sounded stupid - translation "I have no real counter point or intelligent discussion to offer so I will resort to insulting remarks". > Since when does the small farmer do anything other then for > themselves? *** Since the first person became a farmer. To ask a question like that I am going to guess that you simply don't know any farmers. I also have no idea what that question has to do with the point I was trying to make. Kala Thompson Farmer Richland Center, Wi USA -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:41:03 -0600, "Russ Thompson" >
wrote: > > >> Don't be silly, it's not personal it applies to all of you. >> > >*** You said that I sounded stupid - translation "I have no real counter >point or intelligent discussion to offer so I will resort to insulting >remarks". Well why didn't you say so in the first place, we guessed as much. >> Since when does the small farmer do anything other then for >> themselves? > >*** Since the first person became a farmer. To ask a question like that I am >going to guess that you simply don't know any farmers. I also have no idea >what that question has to do with the point I was trying to make. You had a point? ********************************************** 'You can't win 'em all.' Lord Haw Haw. Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world. There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965 richest person in the world. And I'm keeping the bloody lot. So sue me. http://www.globalrichlist.com/ Newsgroup ettiquette 1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you. 2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond. 3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself. 4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining they're having no effect. 5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know how to avoid them. 6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored. 7) Eat vast quantities of pies. 8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades. 9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while secretly reading it. 10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're as bent as a roundabout. 11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet 12) Die of old age 13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you will have a penis the girls can see. --------------------------------------- "If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them" "Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded" The Big Yin. |
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Sleazy PETA, gratuitously provocative and tasteless as ever
frlpwr wrote:
> Never trust Reuters to double check the facts. I took a closer look at > the chicken poster and it's clear the poor bird is suffering from bad > juju. Cheap ass chicken farmers and their contaminated puffer fish > feed. More likely the bad juju is coming from the shock of being in contact with PETA. The chicken farms I have seen all have active birds or dead birds, no middle ground. > > If the Virgin can spare a kind touch, the zombie bird could Rise and > Walk. That was the Son's trick, don't recall the Mother doing anything like that. > > I had no intention of being original, > > A good thing, too. You're not up to it. > Sounds like a pre-programmed response from automaton, very superficial. > > > I have friends and relatives that speak a variety of non-Engligh > > languages. > > They're only pretending to speak other languages so they don't have to > talk to you. If so it backfired, they are now trying to teach me. Ends up with them talking to me more. Oh, that is what people do to you to avoid talking to you. Again you have my condolences. |
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"Rubystars" > wrote in message m>...
> These are worthy goals. PETA intends to do much more than that though, they > intend to end all animal use, not just abuse. If you think about what they advocate, they are pushing for the end of all human/nonhuman interaction. This allows them to constantly move the goalposts. With such "liberal" movements, the issue addressed is not the issue actually persued. The issue actually persued is power. Note how what they demand cannot be attained without the imposition of a totalitarian government? They are not "liberal" in anything except in throwing around demands that others do as they say. |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:35:07 -0600, "Russ Thompson" > wrote:
> >Beach Runner said in responce to the question: >"What exactly is the "vegan movement?" > >> That is an excellent question. The end of factory farming animals, > >*** What a load of manure. Vegans and animal rights types are certainly NOT >aginst "factory farming". The fact that it is the small family farmers that >they are assising to put out of business first should make this obvious to >any reasonable person. > The fact is that the number of small family farms such as ours decreases >every years and the number of large farms increases every year. The vegan / >animal rights crowd are helping to speed this process up > When a vegan / animal rights types uses information, disinformation, >half trueths, and propaganda to discourage others from consuming animal >products who do you think it is who suffers? The large farm with huge >amounts of capital behind them that allow them to take the resulting lower >prices or the small family farmer who is operating under slim margins >already? > The interesting thing is that if the vegan / animal rights types where >actually interested in getting rid of "factory farming" they would find a >lot of support and allies among the small family farmers. In fact the anti >"factory farm" retoric from each group sounds about the same. > >Kala Thompson >Farmer >Richland Center, Wi They are opposed to seeing the fact pointed out that some types of meat involve less animal deaths than some types of veggies. That alone is enough to show that they don't really care about human influence on animals. All they appear to care about is promoting veg*nism, and there's no doubt that veg*nism does nothing to promote better lives for animals raised for food. |
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"Offbreed" > wrote in message om... > "Rubystars" > wrote in message m>... > > > These are worthy goals. PETA intends to do much more than that though, they > > intend to end all animal use, not just abuse. > > If you think about what they advocate, they are pushing for the end of > all human/nonhuman interaction. This allows them to constantly move > the goalposts. Yes, they don't want people to keep pets, go to zoos, or anything else that would allow humans to interact with animals. They probably wish humans would go extinct. > With such "liberal" movements, the issue addressed is not the issue > actually persued. The issue actually persued is power. > Note how what they demand cannot be attained without the imposition of > a totalitarian government? They are not "liberal" in anything except > in throwing around demands that others do as they say. Yes, that's true. -Rubystars |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:19:21 +0000, Thighbone Lee Jackson > wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:00:12 -0600, "Russ Thompson" > >wrote: > >> >> >>> Make a new year resolution to try and not sound so stupid next year. >> >>*** Ah yes, the standard responce for those who are unable to make a >>reasonable argument - resort to personal insults. > >Don't be silly, it's not personal it applies to all of you. So far you sound a lot more stupid than he does. >>> Since when does the small farmer giles do anything other then for >>> themselves? >> >>*** Well as I have said I am not a native speaker of english and I do not >>know what "giles" means. > >OK so drop it then. > >Since when does the small farmer do anything other then for >themselves? You can't think of anything they do to help others? Some of them even provide decent lives for farm animals, not that you veg*ns would ever want to promote something like that. |
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