On 1/3/2012 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:00:18 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> : "W. > wrote in message
>>>>> : ...
>>>>> :> Julie > wrote:
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : "Tiger > wrote in message
>>>>> :> : ...
>>>>> :> :> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> :> :>> In >, "Julie
>>>>> :> :>> >
>>>>> :> :>> wrote:
>>>>> :> :>>
>>>>> :> :>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>>> :> :>>> ...
>>>>> :> :>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>>>>> :> that I
>>>>> :> :>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>> :> :>>>
>>>>> :> :>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>>>>> :> have it
>>>>> :> :>>> than
>>>>> :> :>>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>>> :> :>>
>>>>> :> :>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>>>> :> ungrateful
>>>>> :> :>> she is
>>>>> :> :>> for any help
>>>>> :> :>
>>>>> :> :> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>>>>> :> with her
>>>>> :> :> "i already know it all" approach
>>>>> :> :>
>>>>> :> :> i give up
>>>>> :> :>
>>>>> :> :> i've tried
>>>>> :> :>
>>>>> :> :> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know
>>>>> i
>>>>> :> have
>>>>> :> :> already today)
>>>>> :> :>
>>>>> :> :> but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>>>>> :> Julie,
>>>>> :> :> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>>>>> :> put a link
>>>>> :> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis
>>>>> than
>>>>> :> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed
>>>>> twice
>>>>> :> by a
>>>>> :> : gastroenterologist.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>>>>> :> that but
>>>>> :> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : Apparently I am missing something.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>>>>> :> SOME
>>>>> :> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>>>>> :> failure!!!!
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not
>>>>> have
>>>>> :> put
>>>>> :> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something
>>>>> like
>>>>> :> it
>>>>> :> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>> : Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations.
>>>>> If
>>>>> : I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed
>>>>> that
>>>>> : doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>>>>> : didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>>>>> : meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>>>>> it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning
>>>>> if
>>>>> she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust
>>>>> at
>>>>> things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense
>>>>> if
>>>>> she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>>>>> about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>>>>> button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wendy,
>>>>
>>>> I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>>>> one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>>>> constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>>>> personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>>>>
>>>> Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>>>> someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>>>> fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>>>> did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>>>> "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>>>> (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>>>> happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>>>> bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>>>>
>>>> As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>>>> meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>>>> the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>>>> merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>>>> planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>>>> individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>>>> an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>>>>
>>>> I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>>>> she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>>>> involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>>>> my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>>>> got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>>>> mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>>>> that way.
>>>>
>>>> I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
>>>> which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
>>>> explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
>>>> different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
>>>> provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
>>>> palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>>>> mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>>>>
>>>> What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>>>> that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>>>> factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>>>> than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>>>> remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>>>> department, so I have no room to talk.
>>>>
>>>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>>>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>>>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>>>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>>>> bite or two of starch.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>>>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>> I grew up in a house where many foods were disgusting. Both of my parents
>>> referred to foods as exactly that. And they still do. I was once told
>>> that
>>> the food I brought in from a taco place smelled like garbage. And my mom
>>> used to insist that we eat oatmeal for breakfast then stand over us making
>>> faces and gagging noises and asking us how we could eat it? Is it any
>>> wonder that I never learned to like the stuff?
>>>
>>> My maternal grandmother and her husband expressed similar disgusts for
>>> many
>>> foods and were very vocal about it. They refused to eat anything that
>>> they
>>> considered to be foreign and my step-grandpa would not touch a leftover or
>>> eat outdoors.
>>>
>>> So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.
>>
>>
>> Julie dear, I can see that. I hope that you find the courage and the
>> nerve to experiment more and to expand your palate. If you view it
>> as a challenge and an adventure, it will be fun. I doubt you will
>> take my advice, but I hope you do. You are a good person and you
>> have not had a good experience in learning to cook or to eat. I hope
>> you continue to try new things!
>
> I don't *want* to expand my palate! So quit telling me what to
> DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>
>
life according to Julie, the expert

she doesn't WANT HELP, just to VENT that she CAN'T STAND HER
LIFE!!!!!!!!! and HOW MISERABLE IT IS

yup
sad
wait, she corrected me and told me i was sad for thinking that about her

Julie, the expert

i bow
(wait, i'm puking)

On 1/3/2012 6:52 PM, Tiger Lily wrote:
> On 1/3/2012 5:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>
>>> Susan
>>
>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
>> touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
>> anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>
> damn Cheri, you owe me a new keyboard and monitor for forgetting the
> beverage alert!
>
> lol
>
> disgusting, totally disgusting!
>
> kate

i forgot eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww!

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On 1/3/2012 7:09 PM, Susan wrote:
> I put my whole hand right up whole chickens, cut out the backbone, rip
> out fat blobs and cut off skin... haven't barfed on one yet.
>
> Susan

Wolfgang Puck's Garlic Chicken??

man that is GOOD

essentially (and this is 20 yrs old) stuff as many garlic cloves under
the skin as you can, rotisserie BBQ the chicken and ENJOY)

hint: wrapping the chicken with butchers string will let you put MORE
garlic cloves under the skin....... wrap AFTER you put the cloves in

giggle

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On 1/3/2012 7:21 PM, Susan wrote:
> Not for nothing, and I'm not a moderator or a nanny, but this has always
> been the nice group free of this kind of stuff.
>
> Let's talk STOUP and STEWP whaddya say?
>
> Susan

done, that was my last comment, i did killfile her completely

her forgetfullness and accusations finally got to me

i have a new sig file in her honor, end of Julie ism's


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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and
>>>> try?
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>
>>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
>>> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or
>>> vomit or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>>
>> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
>> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
>> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able
>> to go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like
>> to give this smoker a go while I am there
>
>
> I have a stovetop smoker, added a few cherry wood chips, put the
> breasts in, brushed with olive oil and salt and pepper. Cooked for a
> few minutes since I do not like a heavy smoke flavor. They were nicely
> cooked since they weren't huge breasts. No, I have bagged salad. I
> really like my smoker, I bet your daughter will too.
>
> Cheri

She is the one who loves to cook, lol - dunno where she got that from.
Every evening meal is carefully thought out, not a few sausages or chops
thrown together with whatever vegetables are in the fridge. I can't live
like that, financially more than anything. I can do 4 meals for her one
sometimes, cost-wise. She gets shitty at me for searching out the cheap
chops and I admonish her for wasting money on every day meals Our
year together wasn't pretty, lol. I love a gourmet meal at home every so
often though.

Oh, and I like my chicken stirfry in strips, she likes hers in small
bite-sized pieces, she likes to "simmer" stir fry in a sauce for a while
for flavours to penetrate, I add sauce at the end, taking out some first
for people who don't like or shouldn't have sauces. We made a pact to
allow each other to cook our own way when it was out turn but she
couldn't help herself coming into the kitchen to look over my shoulder
and whine I also like to start to with a tidy kitchen and clean up as
I go, she will happily dive into a cluttered kitchen, use every pot, pan
and utensil then walk away from it all at the end of the cooking. But we
love each other, lol.

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 6:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and
>>>> try?
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>
>>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
>>> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or
>>> vomit
>>> or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>>
>> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
>> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
>> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able
>> to
>> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
>> give this smoker a go while I am there
>
> what woods do you have access to?

No idea, I'll ask my daughter when I speak to her next.

> hickory is very nice, but an apple wood can be very interesting

I doubt we would have a big range here but you never know.

> smoking is a long slow process, but you will LOVE the results IF you
> choose a wood flavour you like
>
> shoot me an e-mail, i'll ask a friend (Dad was the pro on this, and i
> had many many smoked salmon over my years )

I like salmon, not sure about here but she loves fresh fish and they
have a boat which ensures fresh fish.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove > wrote:
> > : Ozgirl wrote:
> > : > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >
> > : > Well Wendy feels offended. I don't think it was meant to offend her
> > : > but I am not you (who may or may not have meant to offend) or Wendy
> > : > (who did feel offended). Kiss and make up?
> >
> > : Okay sorry Wendy. But I can't say it won't happen again because that is
> > : just the way I speak!
> >
> > OK, I will just have to learn to make an exception for you and understand
> > that you do not really mean what your words say.
> >
> > Sorry,
> >
> > Wendy
>
> What? I DO mean what my words say!

you only write what your stomach tells you to write, you should try listening to
yourself, even to the point of trying to understand others and especially how
your words seem to them. this will be a rather new emotion for you...we call it
empathy

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> >>>> [ . . . . ]
> >>>> I will just point out one thing Cheri. Low carb doesn't always fit in
> >>>> with gastroparesis. We have to keep remembering that. [ . . . . ]
> >>>
> >>> We HAVE to keep remembering that? Who is this 'we' of whom you speak?
> >>
> >> There are many people here who say that if one would only low carb, their
> >> BG would come down. Susan is one of them.
> >
> > No, they don't, and no she's not. There isn't an "only way" to anything
> > related to diabetes, but one thing is for sure...a high carb diet never
> > helped any diabetic.
>
> Actually she has said that countless times!

then it should be easy for you to prove. google does have an archive that is
searchable. but let me save you the trouble "why would I do that?"

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> > I make EVERYTHING from scratch. I like it that way. I know how
> > fresh the broth is, the veggies are, the meat, all of it. When you
> > buy packaged stuff, it seldom tastes as good or is as nutritious as
> > the food you make yourself from scratch!
> >
> > Tonights dinner was broccoli rabe, with garlic and olive oil made in
> > the traditional italian manner, A supermarket rotisserie chicken, a
> > tossed salad. (not in that order) I am comfortably full and I know
> > my bg's love it.
> >
> > Evelyn
>
> You people are just horribly judgmental. So you make everything from
> scratch because that's the way you want it.
>
> Well, I make things they way *I* want to. That doesn't make me wrong at
> all!

once again missing the point, but I'll play...that doesn't make you right at all

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told me
> that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here that
> so many people think that because something happened to them or was said to
> them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?

good to see that you are just as ungrateful in RL as you are online

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told
> >> me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here
> >> that so many people think that because something happened to them or was
> >> said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
> >
> > That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
> > instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be informed...how
> > EASY it is for them.
>
> What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
> attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
> question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for myself.
> So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something just because
> someone tells me to?

why would an atheist question anything, especially what you eat?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
> So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.

TRANSLATION: why should I grow up and change my ways?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> > Julie dear, I can see that. I hope that you find the courage and the
> > nerve to experiment more and to expand your palate. If you view it
> > as a challenge and an adventure, it will be fun. I doubt you will
> > take my advice, but I hope you do. You are a good person and you
> > have not had a good experience in learning to cook or to eat. I hope
> > you continue to try new things!
>
> I don't *want* to expand my palate! So quit telling me what to
> DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Oh Evelyn, did you expect anything else than this?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> >> So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.
> >>
> >
> > and that is what is so sad........ food isn't disgusting and those
> > behaviours aren't normal
> >
> > would a counselor help? i bet Angela would benefit too
>
> WHATTTTTTT? OMFG! That is extremely insulting! Extremely! Just because I
> grew up in a different manner than you did doesn't mean that it is
> necessarily wrong. Some food is disgusting to *me*. It certainly is and
> you can't tell me otherwise. There are such things as picky eaters. I know
> a whole lot of them.
>
> Angela and I eat a balanced diet given our food allergies. I don't *have*
> to like everything you like. And just because *I* don't like something
> doesn't make it "sad".

no one gives a fig about what foods you like or find disgusting. what most find
appalling is that you have absolutely no realization that you act like a mad
dog. If you would just go to walmart and buy some manners, everyone would benefit

"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> [ . . . . ]
> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able to
> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
> give this smoker a go while I am there

Jan. You might ask over on alt.food.barbecue. It's a bit rowdy at times
there, but the folks there do know how to cook and can be quite helpful.
Tell them I sent you. ;-) Ignore Kent, as he's a complete idiot!

What kind of smoker did yer daughter get? What kind of hardwoods do you
have available for smoke?

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On 1/3/2012 8:49 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> I also like to start to with a tidy kitchen and clean up as I go, she
> will happily dive into a cluttered kitchen, use every pot, pan and
> utensil then walk away from it all at the end of the cooking. But we
> love each other, lol.

bwha ha ha ha

my SIL is studiously a neat freak........... i'll pause just before OCD,
but......... serious neat freak (i know you aren't OCD, can't be with 7
kids! LOL)

so, i'm giggling WITH you on this one!

kate

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On 1/3/2012 9:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> I always mix my meatballs/meatloafs/fish cakes etc by hand to ensure
> even distribution of the ingredients.

wash hands thoroughly, ensuring you scrub UNDER the finger nails

mix meat as required by hand, make meatballs/fish cakes/whatever

repeat washing ceremony

what's so hard?

got a problem, there are things called "gloves" that can be used

yup, choir moment


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On 1/3/2012 8:59 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>
>
> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/3/2012 6:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
>>>> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit
>>>> or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>>>
>>> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
>>> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
>>> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able to
>>> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
>>> give this smoker a go while I am there
>>
>> what woods do you have access to?
>
> No idea, I'll ask my daughter when I speak to her next.
>
>> hickory is very nice, but an apple wood can be very interesting
>
> I doubt we would have a big range here but you never know.
>
>> smoking is a long slow process, but you will LOVE the results IF you
>> choose a wood flavour you like
>>
>> shoot me an e-mail, i'll ask a friend (Dad was the pro on this, and i
>> had many many smoked salmon over my years )
>
> I like salmon, not sure about here but she loves fresh fish and they
> have a boat which ensures fresh fish.

the shops that sell the smokers also carry the wood chips, so she would
have an idea of where/whom to go ask

my favs are
hickory
apple
oak scotch (and such) barrels being recycled from the wine factories
and more
grin
kate


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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> [ . . . . ]
>> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
>> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
>> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able
>> to
>> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
>> give this smoker a go while I am there
>
> Jan. You might ask over on alt.food.barbecue. It's a bit rowdy at
> times
> there, but the folks there do know how to cook and can be quite
> helpful.
> Tell them I sent you. ;-) Ignore Kent, as he's a complete idiot!

Gosh, a one letter typo and.....

Thanks for the referral

> What kind of smoker did yer daughter get? What kind of hardwoods do
> you
> have available for smoke?

Next time I speak to her (when she is at home) I will get the brand and
model etc. I don't know anything about it except it has 3 shelves? And
smokes things No doubt she has some wood already and I can ask her
that too.

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 9:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> I always mix my meatballs/meatloafs/fish cakes etc by hand to ensure
>> even distribution of the ingredients.
>
> wash hands thoroughly, ensuring you scrub UNDER the finger nails
>
> mix meat as required by hand, make meatballs/fish cakes/whatever
>
> repeat washing ceremony
>
> what's so hard?
>
> got a problem, there are things called "gloves" that can be used
>
> yup, choir moment

I buy those food service gloves from Costco. Too many years in food service
to not use them when mixing things like meat loaf etc.

Cheri

i completely forgot this Barbie short cut

soak a Cedar plank for a few hours (i use a bucket & weights and aim for
12 hours)

place the oiled plank on the barbie, with the salmon on the OILED
side..... season to taste.......??? pesto? rosemary? garlic? lemon?
whatever you fancy

close the cover on the barbie and allow the salmon to cook, when the
'top' is showing white 'juice' time to flip the salmon

soon as the salmon is cooked, put the Cedar plank in a bucket of water,
so you can use it again

there are many "Salmon on Cedar BBQ" recipies on the net...... they will
tell your some variation of what i said above (garlic? oranges? thyme?
mango chutney?.... let your imagination go wild)


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On 1/3/2012 10:48 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/3/2012 9:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> I always mix my meatballs/meatloafs/fish cakes etc by hand to ensure
>>> even distribution of the ingredients.
>>
>> wash hands thoroughly, ensuring you scrub UNDER the finger nails
>>
>> mix meat as required by hand, make meatballs/fish cakes/whatever
>>
>> repeat washing ceremony
>>
>> what's so hard?
>>
>> got a problem, there are things called "gloves" that can be used
>>
>> yup, choir moment
>
> I buy those food service gloves from Costco. Too many years in food
> service to not use them when mixing things like meat loaf etc.
>
> Cheri

yup, i agree, Cheri

we have the vinyl gloves as hubby is allergic to the latex ones

doesn't matter, they are cheap, and one use disposable and VERY sanitary
compared to 'scrubbing your hands clean'

having said that, i remember the days before those gloves and being
ordered to poke the eggs and mix them into the meat.............. once i
got past that, everything was ok (dunno why, the eggs grossed me out the
most LOL)

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"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 8:49 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> I also like to start to with a tidy kitchen and clean up as I go, she
>> will happily dive into a cluttered kitchen, use every pot, pan and
>> utensil then walk away from it all at the end of the cooking. But we
>> love each other, lol.
>
> bwha ha ha ha
>
> my SIL is studiously a neat freak........... i'll pause just before
> OCD, but......... serious neat freak (i know you aren't OCD, can't be
> with 7 kids! LOL)

I am enormously OCD but I have to grit my teeth in a family situation. I
had one year of OCD heaven when I moved to QLD as I had just Alex and
Jazz and it was so much easier to be comfortably OCD but now have 4
again and in a small house and it is very nerve wracking! Jazz is OCD
too but the docs say it is the autism. She shuts doors and drawers and
we now have a key hidden outside in case we are locked out while she is
inside. She also flicks the toilet roll off the holder, puts the air
freshener down on the floor then shuts the toilet door. She throws
things all over the floor of her bedroom floor (photos, slinkies and
other dangly toys, a microphone, an old cell phone etc). I pick up and
vacuum and the minute she gets home she has rooted out all the floor
goodies and tossed them all over again. She takes a wet tea towel into
her room and re wets it all day long and keeps it on a towel on the
floor for the most part, as it dries she holds it. I wash them every day
but when she is home, like she is now for summer holidays, she doesn't
like that. I find all the washing dragged out of the washing machine or
dryer while she searches for her tea towel and towel. She doesn't like
replacements, she wants the ones she has every day. Her hands from her
thumb tip down to her forefinger tip are red from holding and flicking
the wet tea towel.

>

On 1/3/2012 10:56 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>
>
> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/3/2012 8:49 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> I also like to start to with a tidy kitchen and clean up as I go, she
>>> will happily dive into a cluttered kitchen, use every pot, pan and
>>> utensil then walk away from it all at the end of the cooking. But we
>>> love each other, lol.
>>
>> bwha ha ha ha
>>
>> my SIL is studiously a neat freak........... i'll pause just before
>> OCD, but......... serious neat freak (i know you aren't OCD, can't be
>> with 7 kids! LOL)
>
> I am enormously OCD but I have to grit my teeth in a family situation. I
> had one year of OCD heaven when I moved to QLD as I had just Alex and
> Jazz and it was so much easier to be comfortably OCD but now have 4
> again and in a small house and it is very nerve wracking! Jazz is OCD
> too but the docs say it is the autism. She shuts doors and drawers and
> we now have a key hidden outside in case we are locked out while she is
> inside. She also flicks the toilet roll off the holder, puts the air
> freshener down on the floor then shuts the toilet door. She throws
> things all over the floor of her bedroom floor (photos, slinkies and
> other dangly toys, a microphone, an old cell phone etc). I pick up and
> vacuum and the minute she gets home she has rooted out all the floor
> goodies and tossed them all over again. She takes a wet tea towel into
> her room and re wets it all day long and keeps it on a towel on the
> floor for the most part, as it dries she holds it. I wash them every day
> but when she is home, like she is now for summer holidays, she doesn't
> like that. I find all the washing dragged out of the washing machine or
> dryer while she searches for her tea towel and towel. She doesn't like
> replacements, she wants the ones she has every day. Her hands from her
> thumb tip down to her forefinger tip are red from holding and flicking
> the wet tea towel.
arggh

duplicates? i can't think of any other solution

the magic 'change' at night when she's asleep?

ya, if she gets a fixation, she is going to be hard to redirect

i would say you like things 'just so' but i wouldn't move you to OCD levels


kate


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"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 10:56 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/3/2012 8:49 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>>> I also like to start to with a tidy kitchen and clean up as I go,
>>>> she
>>>> will happily dive into a cluttered kitchen, use every pot, pan and
>>>> utensil then walk away from it all at the end of the cooking. But
>>>> we
>>>> love each other, lol.
>>>
>>> bwha ha ha ha
>>>
>>> my SIL is studiously a neat freak........... i'll pause just before
>>> OCD, but......... serious neat freak (i know you aren't OCD, can't
>>> be
>>> with 7 kids! LOL)
>>
>> I am enormously OCD but I have to grit my teeth in a family
>> situation. I
>> had one year of OCD heaven when I moved to QLD as I had just Alex and
>> Jazz and it was so much easier to be comfortably OCD but now have 4
>> again and in a small house and it is very nerve wracking! Jazz is OCD
>> too but the docs say it is the autism. She shuts doors and drawers
>> and
>> we now have a key hidden outside in case we are locked out while she
>> is
>> inside. She also flicks the toilet roll off the holder, puts the air
>> freshener down on the floor then shuts the toilet door. She throws
>> things all over the floor of her bedroom floor (photos, slinkies and
>> other dangly toys, a microphone, an old cell phone etc). I pick up
>> and
>> vacuum and the minute she gets home she has rooted out all the floor
>> goodies and tossed them all over again. She takes a wet tea towel
>> into
>> her room and re wets it all day long and keeps it on a towel on the
>> floor for the most part, as it dries she holds it. I wash them every
>> day
>> but when she is home, like she is now for summer holidays, she
>> doesn't
>> like that. I find all the washing dragged out of the washing machine
>> or
>> dryer while she searches for her tea towel and towel. She doesn't
>> like
>> replacements, she wants the ones she has every day. Her hands from
>> her
>> thumb tip down to her forefinger tip are red from holding and
>> flicking
>> the wet tea towel.
> arggh
>
> duplicates? i can't think of any other solution

Can't duplicate the smell. So can't trick her. She has to agree with the
change and has on odd occasions

On 1/3/2012 11:13 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Can't duplicate the smell. So can't trick her. She has to agree with the
> change and has on odd occasions

ok, how about a shopping trip for NEW towels and buy 2 of each (or 3)
and get her approval on colour, texture, etc???

more of a distract/redirect, but boy that sure works with toddlers......
so??? any hope?

if so, let me know

kate

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On 1/3/2012 11:18 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I didn't say ANY of those things! Not that you'll see my reply since you
> have KFed me.
>> >


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"Cheri" > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> [ . . . . ]
> > What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
> > attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
> > question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for
> > myself. So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something
> > just because someone tells me to?
>
> Julie, nowhere did I tell you that you should "tell your dietician
> anything." BTW, it's a whole lot EASIER to be an athiest than it is to be
> a religious person of any kind, so I'm not surprised at all that you are.

Cheri, Although this was specifically directed to Julie, I feel I must
weigh in.

I was born and raised Roman Catholic. At 17, I became an atheist. At 21, I
started studying oriental philosophies, Buddhism in particular. At 50,
while practicing Insight Meditation for 19 hours a day, with no breaks, at
a Cambodian Buddhist temple in Long Beach, CA, on the tenth day I underwent
an experience that was physical, mental and emotional, and cannot be
described, but only experienced. That was 26 years ago.

Thanks be to G-d, I am still a happy atheist. To quote the Bard, "It's a
whole lot EASIER to be an athiest [sic] than it is to be a religious person
of any kind." I take joy in Hanukkah and Christmas and am disgusted by
those whose aspiration is to blow themselves up in the hope of murdering
some innocent infidel.

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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > "Cheri" > wrote in message
> > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > >
> > >> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever
> > >> told me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why
> > >> is it here that so many people think that because something happened
> > >> to them or was said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
> > >
> > > That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for
> > > yourself, instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be
> > > informed...how EASY it is for them.
> >
> > What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
> > attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
> > question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for
> > myself. So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something
> > just because someone tells me to?
>
> why would an atheist question anything, especially what you eat?

Why would an atheist question anything? Good question, Mal.

Before I renounced Catholicism and the concept of a "God," I studied a
great deal. Not only Origin of Species, the history of the Primates,
comparative odontology, comparative embryology, etc, but also St. Thomas
Acquinas' "Apologetica" and the Torah.

Before pursuing the teaching of the Buddha, I studied the teachings of many
oriental philosophers, such as Confucius, Mencius and (to quote Rick Perry)
the other one. Much effort went into determining, "What was the basic
message of the Buddha?" The most popular school seems to be the Mahayana
(Greater Vessel) "we're all gonna die! Save everyone!!" Different in Korea,
China and Japan, where it gave rise to Zen. The other school, the Theravada
(Teaching of the Elders) struck me as being overlaid with less local
primitivisms.

The fundamental teaching of the Buddha can be summarized in three atheistic
concepts:

1. Life is replete with unsatisfactoriness.

2. Everything is subject to change.

3. The above two are universal in their application.

How simple is that?

The soapbox is empty.

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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> [ . . . . ]
> >> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
> >> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
> >> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able
> >> to
> >> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
> >> give this smoker a go while I am there
> >
> > Jan. You might ask over on alt.food.barbecue. It's a bit rowdy at
> > times
> > there, but the folks there do know how to cook and can be quite
> > helpful.
> > Tell them I sent you. ;-) Ignore Kent, as he's a complete idiot!
>
> Gosh, a one letter typo and.....
>
> Thanks for the referral

Yeah. You'll fit in just fine! LMAO

> > What kind of smoker did yer daughter get? What kind of hardwoods do
> > you have available for smoke?
>
> Next time I speak to her (when she is at home) I will get the brand and
> model etc. I don't know anything about it except it has 3 shelves? And
> smokes things No doubt she has some wood already and I can ask her
> that too.

You've gotten some good replies here, regarding wood. I'm really interested
in what kind of smoker she got. There was a banana bender named Peter Lucas
on a.f.b. I don't remember what kind of smoker he had. Maybe he moved to
Tassy.

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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> [ . . . . ]
> I am enormously OCD [ . . . ]

At the risk of sounding like what I am: What means OCD?

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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> > On 1/3/2012 8:54 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >>> "Susan" > wrote in message
> >>>> On 1/3/2012 5:47 PM, Tiger Lily wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> ty
> >>>>>
> >>>>> see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb
> >>>>
> >>>> 100 grams per day induces ketosis. It's low carb based upon that
> >>
> >> I missed the part where she called you an "It"! That's really lowlife
> >> stuff. This is from someone who doesn't like ASD shit brought over
> >> here,
> >> sigh.
> >
> > Jan, no one called Julie an IT
> >
> > but, look at my sig line
>
> Sadly they did: "It apparently relies on nachos, rice and a lot of
> packaged convenience
> foods. Susan"

I thought the 'it' referred to the diet, not to Julie.

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> [ . . . . ]
>> I am enormously OCD [ . . . ]
>
> At the risk of sounding like what I am: What means OCD?

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>> > On 1/3/2012 8:54 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> >>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> >>>> On 1/3/2012 5:47 PM, Tiger Lily wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ty
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 100 grams per day induces ketosis. It's low carb based upon that
>> >>
>> >> I missed the part where she called you an "It"! That's really lowlife
>> >> stuff. This is from someone who doesn't like ASD shit brought over
>> >> here,
>> >> sigh.
>> >
>> > Jan, no one called Julie an IT
>> >
>> > but, look at my sig line
>>
>> Sadly they did: "It apparently relies on nachos, rice and a lot of
>> packaged convenience
>> foods. Susan"
>
> I thought the 'it' referred to the diet, not to Julie.

I don't think so.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> [ . . . . ]
> >> I am enormously OCD [ . . . ]
> >
> > At the risk of sounding like what I am: What means OCD?
>
> Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Thanks, Julie. I'll have to Google that. <scratching head>

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"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 11:13 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> Can't duplicate the smell. So can't trick her. She has to agree with
>> the
>> change and has on odd occasions
>
> ok, how about a shopping trip for NEW towels and buy 2 of each (or 3)
> and get her approval on colour, texture, etc???

I recently bought a pack of 12 in 3 colours. She uses red ones BTW. I
figured that I could rotate the 4 red ones. She accepted the first one
because, I have to admit, I lost the plot one day when she was really
badly behaved and cut up her old one in front of her. I felt really bad
for losing it and doing something so pathetic. She accepted the first
but hasn't touched the rest since, even though I slipped a new one into
her room on day 2. All her senses seem heightened and I am positive its
the smell she is looking for in her tea towel.

"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> >> [ . . . . ]
>> >> I am enormously OCD [ . . . ]
>> >
>> > At the risk of sounding like what I am: What means OCD?
>>
>> Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
>
> Thanks, Julie. I'll have to Google that. <scratching head>

I clean up imaginary crumbs on the kitchen bench, I realign photos etc
hanging on walls, even in other people's houses! I count things like
holes in ceiling panels or in net curtaining. I keep my paperwork in
neat piles, all aligned with each other, I even straighten pamphlets and
business cards etc at shop/medical counters!

And that's just the tip of the iceberg

Have you ever seen a tv show called Monk?

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>>> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>>> > On 1/3/2012 8:54 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> >>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>> >>>> On 1/3/2012 5:47 PM, Tiger Lily wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> ty
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 100 grams per day induces ketosis. It's low carb based upon
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>
>>> >> I missed the part where she called you an "It"! That's really
>>> >> lowlife
>>> >> stuff. This is from someone who doesn't like ASD shit brought
>>> >> over
>>> >> here,
>>> >> sigh.
>>> >
>>> > Jan, no one called Julie an IT
>>> >
>>> > but, look at my sig line
>>>
>>> Sadly they did: "It apparently relies on nachos, rice and a lot of
>>> packaged convenience
>>> foods. Susan"
>>
>> I thought the 'it' referred to the diet, not to Julie.
>
> I don't think so.

Grammatically correct people don't deliberately write grammatically
incorrectly.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:24:13 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> And I don't have *so many* food aversions.


Hi Julie.

Yes, you most certainly DO have "so many" food aversions!

I have been reading these groups for quite a few years, and you have
been active here as well. Several people have taken note of it, not
just me. I think you are probably in denial about it.

What is more, the expressions you use are extreme. Most people would
seldom refer to a food product as "disgusting". They might say they
don't care for it, or that it isn't something they like. The term
"disgusting" is reserved for things like dog poop and vomit and dead
things. The "Ewww" factor is not usually there. For you, there is a
definite strong aversion thing going on.

Evelyn

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:28:37 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:00:18 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ozgirl > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>>>>>: ...
>>>>>: > Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>>>>>: > : ...
>>>>>: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>: > : >> In >, "Julie
>>>>>: > : >> >
>>>>>: > : >> wrote:
>>>>>: > : >>
>>>>>: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>>>: > : >>> ...
>>>>>: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>>>>>: > that I
>>>>>: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>>: > : >>>
>>>>>: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>>>>>: > have it
>>>>>: > : >>> than
>>>>>: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>>>: > : >>
>>>>>: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>>>>: > ungrateful
>>>>>: > : >> she is
>>>>>: > : >> for any help
>>>>>: > : >
>>>>>: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>>>>>: > with her
>>>>>: > : > "i already know it all" approach
>>>>>: > : >
>>>>>: > : > i give up
>>>>>: > : >
>>>>>: > : > i've tried
>>>>>: > : >
>>>>>: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know
>>>>>i
>>>>>: > have
>>>>>: > : > already today)
>>>>>: > : >
>>>>>: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>>>>>: > Julie,
>>>>>: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>>>>>: > put a link
>>>>>: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis
>>>>>than
>>>>>: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed
>>>>>twice
>>>>>: > by a
>>>>>: > : gastroenterologist.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>>>>>: > that but
>>>>>: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : Apparently I am missing something.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>>>>>: > SOME
>>>>>: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>>>>>: > failure!!!!
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not
>>>>>have
>>>>>: > put
>>>>>: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something
>>>>>like
>>>>>: > it
>>>>>: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>>>>: >
>>>>>: > Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>>: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations.
>>>>>If
>>>>>: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed
>>>>>that
>>>>>: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>>>>>: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>>>>>: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I
>>>>>didn't
>>>>>even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>>>>>it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning
>>>>>if
>>>>>she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust
>>>>>at
>>>>>things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense
>>>>>if
>>>>>she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>>>>>about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>>>>>button.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wendy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wendy,
>>>>
>>>> I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>>>> one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>>>> constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>>>> personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>>>>
>>>> Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>>>> someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>>>> fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>>>> did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>>>> "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>>>> (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>>>> happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>>>> bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>>>>
>>>> As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>>>> meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>>>> the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>>>> merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>>>> planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>>>> individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>>>> an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>>>>
>>>> I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>>>> she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>>>> involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>>>> my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>>>> got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>>>> mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>>>> that way.
>>>>
>>>> I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
>>>> which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
>>>> explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
>>>> different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
>>>> provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
>>>> palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>>>> mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>>>>
>>>> What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>>>> that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>>>> factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>>>> than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>>>> remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>>>> department, so I have no room to talk.
>>>>
>>>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>>>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>>>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>>>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>>>> bite or two of starch.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>>>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>>I grew up in a house where many foods were disgusting. Both of my parents
>>>referred to foods as exactly that. And they still do. I was once told
>>>that
>>>the food I brought in from a taco place smelled like garbage. And my mom
>>>used to insist that we eat oatmeal for breakfast then stand over us making
>>>faces and gagging noises and asking us how we could eat it? Is it any
>>>wonder that I never learned to like the stuff?
>>>
>>>My maternal grandmother and her husband expressed similar disgusts for
>>>many
>>>foods and were very vocal about it. They refused to eat anything that
>>>they
>>>considered to be foreign and my step-grandpa would not touch a leftover or
>>>eat outdoors.
>>>
>>>So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.
>>
>>
>> Julie dear, I can see that. I hope that you find the courage and the
>> nerve to experiment more and to expand your palate. If you view it
>> as a challenge and an adventure, it will be fun. I doubt you will
>> take my advice, but I hope you do. You are a good person and you
>> have not had a good experience in learning to cook or to eat. I hope
>> you continue to try new things!
>
>I don't *want* to expand my palate! So quit telling me what to
>DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Wallow then, and be as you are. But spare us, please, your continual
expressions of DISGUST!

Evelyn