I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
the battery storage protection.

Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((

Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.

Janet US

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>the battery storage protection.

To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
fairly large.

>Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((

Scan and post it. hehe

>Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>
>Janet US

Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
makes it a combo pan?

wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
> To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
> small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
> No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
> fairly large.
>
>> Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((
>
> Scan and post it. hehe
>
>> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>>
>> Janet US
>
> Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
> makes it a combo pan?
>

Are yoose sure she ain't lying to yoose Popeye?

She didn't give yoose any pics.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
> the battery storage protection.

All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
tried that?

> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.

I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:09:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
>All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
>tried that?
>
>> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>
>I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
>-sw

this was wrapped pretty snugly. I was afraid the little tab would
tear and then I would need a screw driver anyway.
As I said, I was curious.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 16:38:34 -0500, wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>>well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>>can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>>head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>>the battery storage protection.
>
>To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
>small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
>No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
>fairly large.
>
>>Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((
>
>Scan and post it. hehe
>
>>Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>>wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>>surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>>know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>>
>>Janet US
>
>Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
>makes it a combo pan?

I was shopping for a stove top grill pan anyway. I wanted burgers and
chops to be up out of accumulating grease in the bottom of a pan. The
combination is a roaster pan bottom and the lid is either the grill or
when inverted, another pan. Not an unusual combination but I have a
couple others that are a son of a gun to clean because they don't
feature a non-stick surface.

My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.

N.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:36:49 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
>the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
>be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
>licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.

Isn't it nice to know that drivers can see something?

On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
> -sw
>
There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.

On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.

Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:00:33 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
>I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
>regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

I have non-stick pans that are going on 20 yo and are still very good
non-stick. A lot of stuff in this world depends on what you do to it.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:36:49 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
>the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
>be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
>licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.
>
>N.

I had a really attractive photo last time. I guess you aren't allowed
to have a good one 2 times in a row. DL rules vary so much from state
to state. I'm going to have to go back soon. We have a deal here for
a "star" license. Supposedly without the star you won't be able to
get on an airplane after 2020. I need a 'certified, notarized with
the state" birth certificate, marriage license for one state, divorce
decree for one state, marriage license for another state, 2 legal
documents for my current address. I thought I had everything they
wanted to prove that I am me but the woman at the desk just discarded
each one as not being 'official.' There are for-profit businesses now
that get all the state documents for you. I'll have to send away for
them. My 2 states no longer provide official copies of documents. You
have to get them from one of these document businesses.
Janet US

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:09:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
>All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
>tried that?

I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
quality.

On 2/8/2019 8:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere.Â* They work at first, then fail quickly.Â* I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial.Â* Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
> I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
> regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

Some are, but new coatings can last a long time. My Woll pan has held up
very well for years and I usually clean it by just a wipe with a paper
towel. Had others that did not do well after a couple of months.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
> There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
> The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
> a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.

Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
who've had it for less than 2 weeks.

I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:13:04 -0800 (PST), Thomas wrote:

> Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.
>
> Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.

I use the oldest, shittiest pans I have for deep frying. I have a
set of Club which were pretty common back in the 80's. Nonstick
that comes in pastel-ish colors. Mine were yellow. They're now
black and brown. Anything except aluminum will work for deep
frying. And it's going to get grody, so nothing fancy.

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:19:09 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 2/8/2019 8:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>>> and elsewhere.* They work at first, then fail quickly.* I don't
>>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial.* Infomercials
>>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>>
>> I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
>> regard non-stick pans as disposable items.
>
> Some are, but new coatings can last a long time. My Woll pan has held up
> very well for years and I usually clean it by just a wipe with a paper
> towel. Had others that did not do well after a couple of months.

The Bailetti and Tramontina non-sticks have served me very well.
DOW revoked the licenses to use Teflon from a bunch of manufacturers
because they sucked. People say they loved the Farberware stuff,
but those were some of the worst I've ever had.

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:23:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:13:04 -0800 (PST), Thomas wrote:
>
>> Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.
>>
>> Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.
>
>I use the oldest, shittiest pans I have for deep frying. I have a
>set of Club which were pretty common back in the 80's. Nonstick
>that comes in pastel-ish colors. Mine were yellow. They're now
>black and brown. Anything except aluminum will work for deep
>frying. And it's going to get grody, so nothing fancy.


"Definition of grody

US slang
disgusting, revolting … the miniseries is especially good at depicting
the often grody shipboard atmosphere, with decks awash in whale blood
and blubber."
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grody>

On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 9:17:56 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
>
> > There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
> > The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
> > a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.
>
> Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
> it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
> on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
> months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
> who've had it for less than 2 weeks.
>
> I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)
>
> -sw
>
There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
holding up.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:

snip
>
>I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>quality.

I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
one.

On 2/8/2019 10:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> The Bailetti and Tramontina non-sticks have served me very well.

I really liked the Emeril pans but they wore out over a few years.
They take a beating, we're not the plastic utensil people and I
don't expect non stick to last forever anyway.

On a whim I picked up a set of 3 Tramontina at (drumroll) Costco
last week. Jury is out, I hope they work out. They were next
to the Copperwhatever as seen on tv set. I just assumed they
probably don't last, guess I'm put off by those kinds of commercials.

Okay, I made an exception for the Foodsaver.

> DOW revoked the licenses to use Teflon from a bunch of manufacturers
> because they sucked. People say they loved the Farberware stuff,
> but those were some of the worst I've ever had.

Even those are probably a lot better than the early versions. Black
flakes in your scrambled eggs, anyone?

nancy

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:36:53 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>>and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>>that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>>a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>>screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>>than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>>screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>>set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>>quality.
>
>I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
>kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
>to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
>little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
>one.

A No. 1 Philips is fairly small, in fact most people don't have other
than the No. 2 Philips. However there are yet smaller Philips,
typically found in eyeglass repair kits (zero size). You may find a
comprehensive screwdriver kit helpful to have, I like the idea of one
handle with several bits, keeps the cost way down... and the bits are
hardened so last practically forever:
https://www.amazon.com/Syntus-Precis...0RRVHF5WKZ9AHK

On 2019-02-09 9:55 a.m., wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:36:53 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>>> and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>>> that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>>> a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>>> screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>>> than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>>> screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>>> set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>>> quality.
>>
>> I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
>> kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
>> to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
>> little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
>> one.
>
> A No. 1 Philips is fairly small, in fact most people don't have other
> than the No. 2 Philips. However there are yet smaller Philips,
> typically found in eyeglass repair kits (zero size). You may find a
> comprehensive screwdriver kit helpful to have, I like the idea of one
> handle with several bits, keeps the cost way down... and the bits are
> hardened so last practically forever:

I hope they make those things better than they used to. I had one years
ago and it was a useless piece of crap that would only work with screws
that were loose. The barrel of it bent when there was a lot of pressure
exerted on it.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:28:33 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 9:17:56 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
>>> The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
>>> a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.
>>
>> Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
>> it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
>> on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
>> months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
>> who've had it for less than 2 weeks.
>>
>> I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)
>>
>> -sw
>>
> There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
> a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
> especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
> holding up.

You have much more patience then me,. I prefer to read reviews from
real consumers(*), not watch videos of people who were given items
and possibly paid to review them. I despise 99.95% of youtube
videos.

(*) given, some of those people are idiots ("1 star because I should
have ordered blue instead of red").

-sw

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 08:03:05 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

> On 2/8/2019 10:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> The Bailetti and Tramontina non-sticks have served me very well.
>
> I really liked the Emeril pans but they wore out over a few years.
> They take a beating, we're not the plastic utensil people and I
> don't expect non stick to last forever anyway.
>
> On a whim I picked up a set of 3 Tramontina at (drumroll) Costco
> last week. Jury is out, I hope they work out. They were next
> to the Copperwhatever as seen on tv set. I just assumed they
> probably don't last, guess I'm put off by those kinds of commercials.

I'm using the Tramontina right now - have been for 2 years. Still
good as new. I accidentally threw away the small one. Set it in
the garbage to drain the oil in the pan (given 45 minutes, every
last spec of oil will run off the pan). but somebody else covered
it up with trash and I took it out to the trash the next day. I
realized what was happening just as I heard the trash truck pulled
up outside. Oops!

-sw

On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 10:55:33 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:28:33 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
>
> > There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
> > a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
> > especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
> > holding up.
>
> You have much more patience then me,. I prefer to read reviews from
> real consumers(*), not watch videos of people who were given items
> and possibly paid to review them. I despise 99.95% of youtube
> videos.
>
> (*) given, some of those people are idiots ("1 star because I should
> have ordered blue instead of red").
>
> -sw
>
He's pretty good, not boring nor condescending and he says he's bought the stuff
himself. There's some quite helpful YouTube videos giving tips on how to perform some tasks that you might not be familiar with.

I've picked up some plumbing tips as well sewing tricks and tips to name a few.
Dumbest criminals are always good for a laugh, too.

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 21:06:56 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> He's pretty good, not boring nor condescending and he says he's
> bought the stuff himself. There's some quite helpful YouTube
> videos giving tips on how to perform some tasks that you might
> not be familiar with.
>
> I've picked up some plumbing tips as well sewing tricks and tips
> to name a few. Dumbest criminals are always good for a laugh,
> too.

I admit to watching youtube videos to test circuit breakers, replace
my ice maker, and to roll stromboli (mine always explode, theirs
should, too). But for product reviews and almost all things cooking
- nah.

-sw

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 22:56:55 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:28:33 -0800 (PST),
>wrote:
>
>> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 9:17:56 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
>>>> The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
>>>> a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
>>> it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
>>> on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
>>> months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
>>> who've had it for less than 2 weeks.
>>>
>>> I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
>> a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
>> especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
>> holding up.
>
>You have much more patience then me,. I prefer to read reviews from
>real consumers(*), not watch videos of people who were given items
>and possibly paid to review them. I despise 99.95% of youtube
>videos.
>
>(*) given, some of those people are idiots ("1 star because I should
>have ordered blue instead of red").
>
>-sw
I went back and reviewed the Amazon reviews. There are far fewer
negative reports than positive and the positive are not all from
people who just took CC out of the box. I read negative comments with
a jaundiced eye. There are always people out there who can't find
there butt with two hands.
Janet US

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 1:21:19 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I went back and reviewed the Amazon reviews. There are far fewer
> negative reports than positive and the positive are not all from
> people who just took CC out of the box. I read negative comments with
> a jaundiced eye. There are always people out there who can't find
> there butt with two hands.
> Janet US
>
Ain't that the truth!!

On 2019-02-10 6:57 p.m., wrote:
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 1:21:19 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I went back and reviewed the Amazon reviews. There are far fewer
>> negative reports than positive and the positive are not all from
>> people who just took CC out of the box. I read negative comments with
>> a jaundiced eye. There are always people out there who can't find
>> there butt with two hands.
>> Janet US
>>
> Ain't that the truth!!
>

A year or two ago I listened to a program on the radio about the
business of rating products, services and restaurants online. After
hearing that I have little faith in online reviews.

FWIW, a couple months ago I bought a Dyson V10 cordless vacuum. I
looked at the reviews and most of them were very positive. The only
negative I remember was a complaint about battery life. I have to say
that I am impressed with the thing sucks up dirt and dog hair. One of my
complaints, that no one else mentioned, is that the canister fills up so
quickly. Then there is the blockages. When it gets into areas with a
lot of dog hair it clogs up near the power head and sometimes by the end
of the canister. Then the filter clogs up. If there is blockage at any
of these three you have to take it apart and clean it out.The filter has
to be taken out, cleaned out, rinsed and then dried. It takes a minimum
of 24 hours to dry it out enough. There is a safety override that makes
the motor cut out when it gets overloaded it, so you can't even run it
to such air through the filter to dry it out. It gets frustrating to
have to go through each step trying to figure out which part is causing
the problem, and then that long wait. I don't think I could vacuum the
hole house in one shot. The battery is supposed to last 25 minutes on
high power, which should be enough for a quick once over, but it will
clog up before the battery runs down. Then I will have to clean the
filter and wait a day to finish. I want to know why no one mentioned that.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:49:03 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-02-10 6:57 p.m., wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 1:21:19 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I went back and reviewed the Amazon reviews. There are far fewer
>>> negative reports than positive and the positive are not all from
>>> people who just took CC out of the box. I read negative comments with
>>> a jaundiced eye. There are always people out there who can't find
>>> there butt with two hands.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>
>
>A year or two ago I listened to a program on the radio about the
>business of rating products, services and restaurants online. After
>hearing that I have little faith in online reviews.
>
>FWIW, a couple months ago I bought a Dyson V10 cordless vacuum. I
>looked at the reviews and most of them were very positive. The only
>negative I remember was a complaint about battery life. I have to say
>that I am impressed with the thing sucks up dirt and dog hair. One of my
>complaints, that no one else mentioned, is that the canister fills up so
>quickly. Then there is the blockages. When it gets into areas with a
>lot of dog hair it clogs up near the power head and sometimes by the end
>of the canister. Then the filter clogs up. If there is blockage at any
>of these three you have to take it apart and clean it out.The filter has
>to be taken out, cleaned out, rinsed and then dried. It takes a minimum
>of 24 hours to dry it out enough. There is a safety override that makes
>the motor cut out when it gets overloaded it, so you can't even run it
>to such air through the filter to dry it out. It gets frustrating to
>have to go through each step trying to figure out which part is causing
>the problem, and then that long wait. I don't think I could vacuum the
>hole house in one shot. The battery is supposed to last 25 minutes on
>high power, which should be enough for a quick once over, but it will
>clog up before the battery runs down. Then I will have to clean the
>filter and wait a day to finish. I want to know why no one mentioned that.

what you describe happens to my Shark as well. I thought I was
getting rid of the old canister vac but instead I use the canister
where I know there will be a lot of hair just to avoid having to do
the cleaning emptying you describe. I am impressed with how well the
Shark gets dust and stuff out of the carpet but the little bitty
canister fills so fast.
Janet US

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:49:03 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-10 6:57 p.m., wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 1:21:19 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I went back and reviewed the Amazon reviews. There are far fewer
>>>> negative reports than positive and the positive are not all from
>>>> people who just took CC out of the box. I read negative comments with
>>>> a jaundiced eye. There are always people out there who can't find
>>>> there butt with two hands.
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>
>>
>> A year or two ago I listened to a program on the radio about the
>> business of rating products, services and restaurants online. After
>> hearing that I have little faith in online reviews.
>>
>> FWIW, a couple months ago I bought a Dyson V10 cordless vacuum. I
>> looked at the reviews and most of them were very positive. The only
>> negative I remember was a complaint about battery life. I have to say
>> that I am impressed with the thing sucks up dirt and dog hair. One of my
>> complaints, that no one else mentioned, is that the canister fills up so
>> quickly. Then there is the blockages. When it gets into areas with a
>> lot of dog hair it clogs up near the power head and sometimes by the end
>> of the canister. Then the filter clogs up. If there is blockage at any
>> of these three you have to take it apart and clean it out.The filter has
>> to be taken out, cleaned out, rinsed and then dried. It takes a minimum
>> of 24 hours to dry it out enough. There is a safety override that makes
>> the motor cut out when it gets overloaded it, so you can't even run it
>> to such air through the filter to dry it out. It gets frustrating to
>> have to go through each step trying to figure out which part is causing
>> the problem, and then that long wait. I don't think I could vacuum the
>> hole house in one shot. The battery is supposed to last 25 minutes on
>> high power, which should be enough for a quick once over, but it will
>> clog up before the battery runs down. Then I will have to clean the
>> filter and wait a day to finish. I want to know why no one mentioned that.
>
> what you describe happens to my Shark as well. I thought I was
> getting rid of the old canister vac but instead I use the canister
> where I know there will be a lot of hair just to avoid having to do
> the cleaning emptying you describe. I am impressed with how well the
> Shark gets dust and stuff out of the carpet but the little bitty
> canister fills so fast.
> Janet US
>

Yoose guys need a shop-vac.

On 2/10/2019 12:06 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 08:03:05 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

>> On a whim I picked up a set of 3 Tramontina at (drumroll) Costco
>> last week. Jury is out, I hope they work out. They were next
>> to the Copperwhatever as seen on tv set. I just assumed they
>> probably don't last, guess I'm put off by those kinds of commercials.
>
> I'm using the Tramontina right now - have been for 2 years. Still
> good as new. I accidentally threw away the small one.

I could send you mine! It's on the Goodwill pile. I never use it.

> Set it in
> the garbage to drain the oil in the pan (given 45 minutes, every
> last spec of oil will run off the pan). but somebody else covered
> it up with trash and I took it out to the trash the next day. I
> realized what was happening just as I heard the trash truck pulled
> up outside. Oops!

Ouch. It seemed like a great place to drain it, too! Heh.

nancy

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:35:29 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

> On 2/10/2019 12:06 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 08:03:05 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> On a whim I picked up a set of 3 Tramontina at (drumroll) Costco
>>> last week. Jury is out, I hope they work out. They were next
>>> to the Copperwhatever as seen on tv set. I just assumed they
>>> probably don't last, guess I'm put off by those kinds of commercials.
>>
>> I'm using the Tramontina right now - have been for 2 years. Still
>> good as new. I accidentally threw away the small one.
>
> I could send you mine! It's on the Goodwill pile. I never use it.

Never use it? It's perfect for two eggs. I'm jut gonna buy a
cheapie. Or maybe even another 3-pack at Costco. Save the other
two for a decade from now.

-sw

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:49:03 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
>A year or two ago I listened to a program on the radio about the
>business of rating products, services and restaurants online. After
>hearing that I have little faith in online reviews.
>
>FWIW, a couple months ago I bought a Dyson V10 cordless vacuum. I
>looked at the reviews and most of them were very positive. The only
>negative I remember was a complaint about battery life. I have to say
>that I am impressed with the thing sucks up dirt and dog hair. One of my
>complaints, that no one else mentioned, is that the canister fills up so
>quickly. Then there is the blockages. When it gets into areas with a
>lot of dog hair it clogs up near the power head and sometimes by the end
>of the canister. Then the filter clogs up. If there is blockage at any
>of these three you have to take it apart and clean it out.The filter has
>to be taken out, cleaned out, rinsed and then dried. It takes a minimum
>of 24 hours to dry it out enough. There is a safety override that makes
>the motor cut out when it gets overloaded it, so you can't even run it
>to such air through the filter to dry it out. It gets frustrating to
>have to go through each step trying to figure out which part is causing
>the problem, and then that long wait. I don't think I could vacuum the
>hole house in one shot. The battery is supposed to last 25 minutes on
>high power, which should be enough for a quick once over, but it will
>clog up before the battery runs down. Then I will have to clean the
>filter and wait a day to finish. I want to know why no one mentioned that.

I have the V8 and it operates flawlessly. Every morning I just run
it around where it looks necessary after I do the litter box, when I
go through the kitchen I make a point of emptying it daily into the
kitchen catcher as I pass it (couldn't be easier to empty it) and it
still operates as beautifully as it did the day I got it. Sundays,
then I do the full McCoy re housework and it has never failed me yet.

I have the V10 on order so that I have the excuse to give the V8 to my
eldest grandson, he has two dogs and two cats, so it will be
interesting to see how it goes for him.

On 2/10/2019 11:44 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:35:29 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2019 12:06 AM, Sqwertz wrote:

>>> I'm using the Tramontina right now - have been for 2 years. Still
>>> good as new. I accidentally threw away the small one.
>>
>> I could send you mine! It's on the Goodwill pile. I never use it.
>
> Never use it? It's perfect for two eggs. I'm jut gonna buy a
> cheapie. Or maybe even another 3-pack at Costco. Save the other
> two for a decade from now.

I just use the medium size for 2 eggs. Guess I like my fried eggs
on the flatter side. Just kidding, the small pan just takes up
space, I know from experience it's not going to be used.

nancy

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:08:17 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> I have the V8 and it operates flawlessly. Every morning I just run
> it around where it looks necessary after I do the litter box, when I
> go through the kitchen I make a point of emptying it daily into the
> kitchen catcher as I pass it (couldn't be easier to empty it) and it
> still operates as beautifully as it did the day I got it. Sundays,
> then I do the full McCoy re housework and it has never failed me yet.
>
> I have the V10 on order so that I have the excuse to give the V8 to my
> eldest grandson, he has two dogs and two cats, so it will be
> interesting to see how it goes for him.
>
I would l.o.v.e to have one of the new Dyson cordless vacs but I have the
'ball' and it does a stupendous job. I just can't justify the expense when
the one I have is in perfect condition. If they'd give a nice 'trade-in'
deal on mine I'd spring for one of the cordless Dysons. But I do have a
rechargeable Shark Navigator Freestyle that I use to get up cat litter that
Pema seems to scatter everywhere. That was my first experience with a cord-
less vacuum and although not suitable for the whole house it does a great
job on litter and light vacuuming.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Shark-Nav...V1106/22789319

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 11:36:55 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:08:17 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>
>> I have the V8 and it operates flawlessly. Every morning I just run
>> it around where it looks necessary after I do the litter box, when I
>> go through the kitchen I make a point of emptying it daily into the
>> kitchen catcher as I pass it (couldn't be easier to empty it) and it
>> still operates as beautifully as it did the day I got it. Sundays,
>> then I do the full McCoy re housework and it has never failed me yet.
>>
>> I have the V10 on order so that I have the excuse to give the V8 to my
>> eldest grandson, he has two dogs and two cats, so it will be
>> interesting to see how it goes for him.
>>
>I would l.o.v.e to have one of the new Dyson cordless vacs but I have the
>'ball' and it does a stupendous job. I just can't justify the expense when
>the one I have is in perfect condition. If they'd give a nice 'trade-in'
>deal on mine I'd spring for one of the cordless Dysons. But I do have a
>rechargeable Shark Navigator Freestyle that I use to get up cat litter that
>Pema seems to scatter everywhere. That was my first experience with a cord-
>less vacuum and although not suitable for the whole house it does a great
>job on litter and light vacuuming.
>
>https://www.walmart.com/ip/Shark-Nav...V1106/22789319

That's why I bought the Dyson, to cope with litter, best get at it
daily. I have hardwood and tile and it's not nice underfoot

Have you checked the Dyson site, I wouldn't be surprised if they do
'refurbished' ones, or if not, pretty sure I have seen them on ebay.

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 3:13:07 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> That's why I bought the Dyson, to cope with litter, best get at it
> daily. I have hardwood and tile and it's not nice underfoot
>
Her litter box is near a laminate floor area and you're right, it's not nice
underfoot. I think the problem descends from her being declawed whereas
Smitty was not and there was no litter being scattered everywhere.
>
> Have you checked the Dyson site, I wouldn't be surprised if they do
> 'refurbished' ones, or if not, pretty sure I have seen them on ebay.
>
I still cannot justify the price even for a refurbished one when my 'ball'
is in like new condition.