I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
the battery storage protection.

Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((

Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.

Janet US

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>the battery storage protection.

To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
fairly large.

>Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((

Scan and post it. hehe

>Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>
>Janet US

Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
makes it a combo pan?

wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
> To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
> small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
> No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
> fairly large.
>
>> Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((
>
> Scan and post it. hehe
>
>> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>>
>> Janet US
>
> Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
> makes it a combo pan?
>

Are yoose sure she ain't lying to yoose Popeye?

She didn't give yoose any pics.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 16:38:34 -0500, wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>>well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>>can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>>head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>>the battery storage protection.
>
>To open a small battery compartment probably a No.1, which is fairly
>small... the most common Philips screw is a No.2. Most everyone has a
>No, 2 Philips screwdriver. I doubt it will be a No. 3, which is
>fairly large.
>
>>Also got my new driver's license today. Bah! Worst photo ever. :-((
>
>Scan and post it. hehe
>
>>Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>>wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>>surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>>know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>>
>>Janet US
>
>Copper Chef sounds like a good pan, enjoy. What size is it and what
>makes it a combo pan?

I was shopping for a stove top grill pan anyway. I wanted burgers and
chops to be up out of accumulating grease in the bottom of a pan. The
combination is a roaster pan bottom and the lid is either the grill or
when inverted, another pan. Not an unusual combination but I have a
couple others that are a son of a gun to clean because they don't
feature a non-stick surface.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
> the battery storage protection.

All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
tried that?

> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.

I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:09:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
>All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
>tried that?
>
>> Oh, and I also got a Copper Chef combo pan a while back. (always
>> wanted to try the stuff to see if it really worked) It does. That
>> surface is so fine that today I used it to toast some croutons. You
>> know how the oil makes a scum in other pans? Not in the Copper Chef.
>
>I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
>-sw

this was wrapped pretty snugly. I was afraid the little tab would
tear and then I would need a screw driver anyway.
As I said, I was curious.

On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
> -sw
>
There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
> There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
> The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
> a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.

Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
who've had it for less than 2 weeks.

I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)

-sw

On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 9:17:56 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
>
> > There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
> > The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
> > a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.
>
> Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
> it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
> on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
> months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
> who've had it for less than 2 weeks.
>
> I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)
>
> -sw
>
There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
holding up.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:28:33 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 9:17:56 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:44:24 -0800 (PST),
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's some folks on YouTube that give reviews from "As Seen on TV" products.
>>> The copper pans and the granite stone pans have received very good reviews. But
>>> a lot of the stuff sold on TV is junk.
>>
>> Yeah, but almost all those reviews are from people who just received
>> it and haven't used it for a month. Look at the one=-star reviews
>> on Amazon, those are mostly from the people who've waited a couple
>> months to review them. While the 5-star reviews are from people
>> who've had it for less than 2 weeks.
>>
>> I wait for Janet's 6-month/50-uses and washings review :-)
>>
>> -sw
>>
> There's one guy that does the reviews, and at the end of the year he will give
> a nod to the best and worst products he's bought and used. If something is
> especially impressive he will review it again and give updates to how it's
> holding up.

You have much more patience then me,. I prefer to read reviews from
real consumers(*), not watch videos of people who were given items
and possibly paid to review them. I despise 99.95% of youtube
videos.

(*) given, some of those people are idiots ("1 star because I should
have ordered blue instead of red").

-sw

On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>
I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.

Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:13:04 -0800 (PST), Thomas wrote:

> Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.
>
> Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.

I use the oldest, shittiest pans I have for deep frying. I have a
set of Club which were pretty common back in the 80's. Nonstick
that comes in pastel-ish colors. Mine were yellow. They're now
black and brown. Anything except aluminum will work for deep
frying. And it's going to get grody, so nothing fancy.

-sw

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:23:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:13:04 -0800 (PST), Thomas wrote:
>
>> Sucked. Great for 20 cooks but failed. Still have it. Just did Circulon, Oster and Gotham Steel.
>>
>> Looking for a pot I could deepfry 6 wings. Gotham wins based on being smart. Best I could say.
>
>I use the oldest, shittiest pans I have for deep frying. I have a
>set of Club which were pretty common back in the 80's. Nonstick
>that comes in pastel-ish colors. Mine were yellow. They're now
>black and brown. Anything except aluminum will work for deep
>frying. And it's going to get grody, so nothing fancy.


"Definition of grody

US slang
disgusting, revolting … the miniseries is especially good at depicting
the often grody shipboard atmosphere, with decks awash in whale blood
and blubber."
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grody>

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 20:00:33 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere. They work at first, then fail quickly. I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial. Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
>I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
>regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

I have non-stick pans that are going on 20 yo and are still very good
non-stick. A lot of stuff in this world depends on what you do to it.

On 2/8/2019 8:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>> and elsewhere.Â* They work at first, then fail quickly.Â* I don't
>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial.Â* Infomercials
>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>
> I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
> regard non-stick pans as disposable items.

Some are, but new coatings can last a long time. My Woll pan has held up
very well for years and I usually clean it by just a wipe with a paper
towel. Had others that did not do well after a couple of months.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:19:09 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 2/8/2019 8:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I remembered the CopperChefs getting terrible reviews here
>>> and elsewhere.* They work at first, then fail quickly.* I don't
>>> trust or buy anything advertised in an infomercial.* Infomercials
>>> aren't cheap and employ sleazy marketing tactics.
>>>
>> I had one - it was absolutely terrific - for a while. But I tend to
>> regard non-stick pans as disposable items.
>
> Some are, but new coatings can last a long time. My Woll pan has held up
> very well for years and I usually clean it by just a wipe with a paper
> towel. Had others that did not do well after a couple of months.

The Bailetti and Tramontina non-sticks have served me very well.
DOW revoked the licenses to use Teflon from a bunch of manufacturers
because they sucked. People say they loved the Farberware stuff,
but those were some of the worst I've ever had.

-sw

On 2/8/2019 10:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> The Bailetti and Tramontina non-sticks have served me very well.

I really liked the Emeril pans but they wore out over a few years.
They take a beating, we're not the plastic utensil people and I
don't expect non stick to last forever anyway.

On a whim I picked up a set of 3 Tramontina at (drumroll) Costco
last week. Jury is out, I hope they work out. They were next
to the Copperwhatever as seen on tv set. I just assumed they
probably don't last, guess I'm put off by those kinds of commercials.

Okay, I made an exception for the Foodsaver.

> DOW revoked the licenses to use Teflon from a bunch of manufacturers
> because they sucked. People say they loved the Farberware stuff,
> but those were some of the worst I've ever had.

Even those are probably a lot better than the early versions. Black
flakes in your scrambled eggs, anyone?

nancy

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:09:10 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:49:37 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I got my Thermoworks ChefAlarm today. It has lots of nice features as
>> well as 2 good magnets that won't let it slide away when in use. I
>> can't wait to try it out but first must find the right size Phillips
>> head screw driver to open the battery compartment so that I can remove
>> the battery storage protection.
>
>All the battery protectors I've removed just pull right out. You
>tried that?

I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
quality.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:

snip
>
>I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>quality.

I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
one.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:36:53 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>>and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>>that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>>a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>>screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>>than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>>screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>>set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>>quality.
>
>I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
>kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
>to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
>little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
>one.

A No. 1 Philips is fairly small, in fact most people don't have other
than the No. 2 Philips. However there are yet smaller Philips,
typically found in eyeglass repair kits (zero size). You may find a
comprehensive screwdriver kit helpful to have, I like the idea of one
handle with several bits, keeps the cost way down... and the bits are
hardened so last practically forever:
https://www.amazon.com/Syntus-Precis...0RRVHF5WKZ9AHK

On 2019-02-09 9:55 a.m., wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:36:53 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:09:05 -0500, wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> I have some that require a screwdriver, those that are used outdoors
>>> and those that are affected by humidity... they have an o-ring gasket
>>> that needs to be torqued... all the weather stations I've had require
>>> a screwdriver... not necessesarily a Philips. Anyway a Phillips
>>> screwdriver is no big deal, any hardware store will have them for less
>>> than $2. I can't imagine anyone not having a few Philips
>>> screwdrivers. I have many, all sizes, stashed all over, I even have a
>>> set that works with a ratchet. I have a few Chapman sets, finast
>>> quality.
>>
>> I just didn't have the right sized Phillips head screw driver in my
>> kitchen drawer of tools. The screw driver I had was the one you use
>> to open the box knife to change blades -- far too big. I needed a
>> little bitty thing. I had to go to my husband's tools area and find
>> one.
>
> A No. 1 Philips is fairly small, in fact most people don't have other
> than the No. 2 Philips. However there are yet smaller Philips,
> typically found in eyeglass repair kits (zero size). You may find a
> comprehensive screwdriver kit helpful to have, I like the idea of one
> handle with several bits, keeps the cost way down... and the bits are
> hardened so last practically forever:

I hope they make those things better than they used to. I had one years
ago and it was a useless piece of crap that would only work with screws
that were loose. The barrel of it bent when there was a lot of pressure
exerted on it.

My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.

N.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:36:49 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
>the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
>be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
>licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.

Isn't it nice to know that drivers can see something?

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 16:36:49 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>My new DL photo is identical to the one before, from 2 years ago. In this stupid state, drivers over
>the age of 72 have to actually show up for a renewal every two years. One might think it would
>be to take an actual driving test, but nope...it is for the eye exam. I hate it. Below that age,
>licenses can be renewed online for something like 10 years. Bah, humbug.
>
>N.

I had a really attractive photo last time. I guess you aren't allowed
to have a good one 2 times in a row. DL rules vary so much from state
to state. I'm going to have to go back soon. We have a deal here for
a "star" license. Supposedly without the star you won't be able to
get on an airplane after 2020. I need a 'certified, notarized with
the state" birth certificate, marriage license for one state, divorce
decree for one state, marriage license for another state, 2 legal
documents for my current address. I thought I had everything they
wanted to prove that I am me but the woman at the desk just discarded
each one as not being 'official.' There are for-profit businesses now
that get all the state documents for you. I'll have to send away for
them. My 2 states no longer provide official copies of documents. You
have to get them from one of these document businesses.
Janet US