On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:16:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> My wife had a breast removed and the damn wound wouldn't heal. She jokingly
> told me to kiss her tit goodby. She didn't mind getting rid of it but
> evidently her tit didn't care much for that plan. The amount of fluid going
> into the drain tubes nearly caused her to die - twice. Anyway, if she does
> go before me, that stain will be the only physical remnant I'll have left of
> her.
>
> The wound has healed nicely but that month was a very hairy time.
>
> ==
>
> Yes, I understood at the time that it was very serious. Anyone making jokes
> and using that stuff to poke fun at you needs a rethink.
>
> It must have been a terrifying time for you both!
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It it scary but it's not anything that countless families haven't endured. We have no choice but to endure and carry on. That sounds like a very British way of seeing things, doesn't it?

So pip pip and toodle-oo.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 1:31:20 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
> > > I think that the role of McDonalds and other less salubrious hangouts
> > > (KFC, Burger King etc) differs per culture.
>
> and how :-)
>
> A European Ed Pawlowski
> > > would not meet his mates at a McDonalds.
> > >
> >
> > I'll remember that should I move to Europe. Over there though, they
> > have a better infrastructure for that sort of thing going back a couple
> > hundred years.
>
> If you lived in Europe, you'd never need to meet your pals in Mcdonalds
> for a plastic cup of coffee and a factory bun on a paper plate.
>
> You'd take your pick from hundreds of distinctive, family-run coffee
> shops and cafes with home cooking, where the staff and regular customers
> know each others' names, the coffee comes in a real cup or mug with a
> saucer and the fabulous home-made-on-the-premises cakes are served in
> slices on a real plate.
>
> Janet UK

I saw choke Costa Coffee shops there. They were obviously modeled after Starbucks or maybe it's vice-versa. I don't know or care.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:53:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> I'd have a glass of wine with it, just to freak out Gary, who'd be
>> having a hot dog made from mystery meat on a limp supermarket bun and
>> a coke.
>
>Well, the glass of wine will make the raw fish on rice ok.
>Drink several glasses of wine for a better raw fish on rice meal.
>
>As for me with a hamburger or hot dog on a bun.
>And only *you* must buy "a limp supermarket bun."
>I don't. I use fresh rolls.
>
>I can enjoy either of those much better than
>raw fish on rice. And I don't need wine to make it taste good.
>
>So.....g'day to you too, Bruce.

To each their own, Gary.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:17:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cheri wrote:
>>
>> I've never eaten raw fish but I believe Bruce does eat fish, shrimp, clams
>> etc. I could be wrong.
>
>Yep. He's an animal racist. Save the mammals and hell with the
>seafood.

True, I eat fish and seafood. That means there's room for improvement
of my character and behaviour, which is an uplifting idea.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:50:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/15/2017 10:22 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
>>>> Who knows?
>>>
>>> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
>>> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
>>> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
>>> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
>>> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>>>
>>> Hey, and weirdly, the Japanese are good for eating live
>>> fish...like seeing a beating heart on their dish.
>>> Those ppl aren't right.
>>>
>>> At least in the wild, predators will kill their prey
>>> before they start to eat them.
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily, have you ever watched Nat Geo Wild? Also, vegetarians
>> don't eat any dead animal, but there is a term for those that eat fish,
>> shellfish, etc. Google says it's pescetarian. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Some is your reason to be a vegetarian. If you are concerned about the
>treatment of animals, vegan is the answer. If you are just concerned
>about consuming meat from a health perspective, fish may be allowed.
>
>I abhor the poor treatment of animals, but look at the food chain. If
>birds can eat bugs and wolves can eat chickens, I see no reason not to
>eat them too.

Be honest. If you eat meat, you don't care about animals. There's
really no way around that.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 8:08:00 AM UTC-5, Golden One wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:34:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > If she did that to me, her parents would be notified and if it
> >continued, the police. Phone stalkers who know their target, can be
> >dangerous.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> It is already in the hands of the police.
>
> JB
>
>
GOOD!

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 4:19:00 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
> > Who knows?
>
> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>
> Hey, and weirdly, the Japanese are good for eating live
> fish...like seeing a beating heart on their dish.
> Those ppl aren't right.
>
> At least in the wild, predators will kill their prey
> before they start to eat them.

Are you sure about this concept that animals will wait for their prey to die before feasting on them? That sounds like a lousy strategy in a competitive environment. Lousy strategies in a competitive environment will typically mean one thing - extinction.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Bruno Mars - that guy was a Elvis impersonator in Waikiki when he was a
>> little 4 year old dude. That was kind of strange.
>
> I had never heard of the fellow. I had to google that.

I love Bruno!

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> I've no idea where so many got the idea that there are no fine venues
> to meet in the US, there are plenty of cafes even in the sticks where
> I live, and countless fine taverns with well appointed décor that
> serve excellent foods and of course a plethora of spirits, wines, and
> beers/ales. I would never choose to meet at a fast food joint or even
> one of the several breakfast joints of the IHOP/Pancake house ilk.
>
>
There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here they
are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with home-
made cakes, pies, and cobblers.

But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.

Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 2:19:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Be honest. If you eat meat, you don't care about animals. There's
> really no way around that.
>
>
I eat meat and I care about the animals deeply that I consume. I
care so much that I always make sure there's plenty of room on my
plate right next to the mashed potatoes and green beans.

If that's not showing compassion, I don't what is.

On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> I've no idea where so many got the idea that there are no fine venues
>> to meet in the US, there are plenty of cafes even in the sticks where
>> I live, and countless fine taverns with well appointed décor that
>> serve excellent foods and of course a plethora of spirits, wines, and
>> beers/ales. I would never choose to meet at a fast food joint or even
>> one of the several breakfast joints of the IHOP/Pancake house ilk.
>>
>>
> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here they
> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with home-
> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>
> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>
> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>
It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 04:31:10a, Janet told us...
>
>> In article >, says...
>>> > I think that the role of McDonalds and other less salubrious
>>> > hangouts (KFC, Burger King etc) differs per culture.
>>
>> and how :-)
>>
>> A European Ed Pawlowski
>>> > would not meet his mates at a McDonalds.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I'll remember that should I move to Europe. Over there though,
>>> they have a better infrastructure for that sort of thing going
>>> back a couple hundred years.
>>
>> If you lived in Europe, you'd never need to meet your pals in
>> Mcdonalds
>> for a plastic cup of coffee and a factory bun on a paper plate.
>>
>> You'd take your pick from hundreds of distinctive, family-run
>> coffee
>> shops and cafes with home cooking, where the staff and regular
>> customers know each others' names, the coffee comes in a real cup
>> or mug with a saucer and the fabulous home-made-on-the-premises
>> cakes are served in slices on a real plate.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> There has been so much discussion of McDonald's and Starbuck's (and
> similar) on every corner in the US, and that senions and other groups
> tend to gather there, one tends to forget (or not even know about, if
> you're not from the US) that there are uncounted numbers of family-
> run coffee shops, cafs, and small restaurants throughout the US.
> They exist not only in major cities like NYC and is boroughs, Boston,
> Pholadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, etc., not to mention the small
> towns everywhere.
>
> I don't frequent fast food places except for the occasional burger,
> but when I do, I often see the coffee klatches of mostly seniors,
> probably because it's cheaper, and IMHO, a different class of
> people.. Most of my friends are seniors and they don't go to these
> venues. They're more likely to go to a pastry shop, independent
> coffee house, or similar. They're likely to gather at a cafe for
> lunch. We often go, either just the two of us or with friends, to a
> nearby family-run restaurant where everything is home made including
> all the pies and cakes and nothing is mass produced.
>
> It's unfortunate that the US often has the reputation of a plethora
> of cheap fast food places when there is so much else to offer.

I can remember making cross country moves and trying to stop for dinner in
some unknown town or city. We'd pull off the freeway or highway. There might
be a shopping mall there, and a ton of chain restaurants. Chili's,
Applebee's and the like and some fast food places mixed in. Just not my
thing. I also remember thinking how horrible it must be to live in such an
area. Alas, this area is now getting to be such an area. Seems every time a
new restaurant opens, it's part of a chain. We don't always realize it
because the other locations are usually in other states. Such as the new
Asian fusion place going in. I think it has roots in TX. Just mediocre and
more mediocre but a lot of people are into that. I'd rather cook my own.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>
> > There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here they
> > are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with home-
> > made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
> >
> > But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
> > White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
> > It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
> > and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
> >
> > Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
> > not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
> > safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
> > the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
> >
> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>
>
Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.

> wrote in message
...
> Janet told us...
>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>>> > I think that the role of McDonalds and other less salubrious
>>>> > hangouts (KFC, Burger King etc) differs per culture.
>>>
>>> and how :-)
>>>
>>> A European Ed Pawlowski
>>>> > would not meet his mates at a McDonalds.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I'll remember that should I move to Europe. Over there though,
>>>> they have a better infrastructure for that sort of thing going
>>>> back a couple hundred years.
>>>
>>> If you lived in Europe, you'd never need to meet your pals in
>>> Mcdonalds
>>> for a plastic cup of coffee and a factory bun on a paper plate.
>>>
>>> You'd take your pick from hundreds of distinctive, family-run
>>> coffee
>>> shops and cafes with home cooking, where the staff and regular
>>> customers know each others' names, the coffee comes in a real cup
>>> or mug with a saucer and the fabulous home-made-on-the-premises
>>> cakes are served in slices on a real plate.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>
> I've no idea where so many got the idea that there are no fine venues
> to meet in the US, there are plenty of cafes even in the sticks where
> I live, and countless fine taverns with well appointed decor that
> serve excellent foods and of course a plethora of spirits, wines, and
> beers/ales. I would never choose to meet at a fast food joint or even
> one of the several breakfast joints of the IHOP/Pancake house ilk.

Here, we have tons of Starbucks and other coffee places. Most are small.
Most serve food if only donuts or pastries. We also have some places that
strictly serve breakfast and lunch. Thankfully not all of our restaurants
are chains. But... It would seem that if you want to hang out in a place for
a few hours, then the chains are the place to go. They just seem to have
more seating and they will allow you to linger.

I actually liked Perkins when it was here. I didn't order food too often,
not that it was bad. It was okay. The draw there was that they'd give you an
entire pot of coffee. And if you managed to drink that all, they'd refill
it!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-08-15 10:21 AM, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
>>> Who knows?
>>
>> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
>> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
>> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
>> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
>> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>
> I have always wondered about quasi vegetarians who eschew meat because
> they object to the killing but who will eat fish. Cows are killed in a
> much more humane manner than fish are. When fish are caught in nets they
> are dumped into the hold where they eventually suffocate under the weight
> off all their schoolmates.

This doesn't apply to all pescetarians but some seem to see fish as some
kind of lesser being.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:03:13 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 2:19:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Be honest. If you eat meat, you don't care about animals. There's
>> really no way around that.
>>
>>
>I eat meat and I care about the animals deeply that I consume. I
>care so much that I always make sure there's plenty of room on my
>plate right next to the mashed potatoes and green beans.
>
>If that's not showing compassion, I don't what is.

Thank you for proving my point.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2017-08-15 10:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
> >>> Who knows?
> >>
> >> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
> >> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
> >> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
> >> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
> >> Not all, but no one is perfect.
> >
> > I have always wondered about quasi vegetarians who eschew meat because
> > they object to the killing but who will eat fish. Cows are killed in a
> > much more humane manner than fish are. When fish are caught in nets they
> > are dumped into the hold where they eventually suffocate under the weight
> > off all their schoolmates.
>
> This doesn't apply to all pescetarians but some seem to see fish as some
> kind of lesser being.

Well, especially if they're tilapia.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:42:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 4:19:00 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
>> > Who knows?
>>
>> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
>> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
>> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
>> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
>> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>>
>> Hey, and weirdly, the Japanese are good for eating live
>> fish...like seeing a beating heart on their dish.
>> Those ppl aren't right.
>>
>> At least in the wild, predators will kill their prey
>> before they start to eat them.
>
>Are you sure about this concept that animals will wait for their prey to die before feasting on them? That sounds like a lousy strategy in a competitive environment. Lousy strategies in a competitive environment will typically mean one thing - extinction.

Lousy strategies are not trending and young folk won't have anything
to do with them!

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:14:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:03:13 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 2:19:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> Be honest. If you eat meat, you don't care about animals. There's
> >> really no way around that.
> >>
> >>
> >I eat meat and I care about the animals deeply that I consume. I
> >care so much that I always make sure there's plenty of room on my
> >plate right next to the mashed potatoes and green beans.
> >
> >If that's not showing compassion, I don't what is.
>
> Thank you for proving my point.
>
*Burp*

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:16:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> My wife had a breast removed and the damn wound wouldn't heal. She
> jokingly
> told me to kiss her tit goodby. She didn't mind getting rid of it but
> evidently her tit didn't care much for that plan. The amount of fluid
> going
> into the drain tubes nearly caused her to die - twice. Anyway, if she does
> go before me, that stain will be the only physical remnant I'll have left
> of
> her.
>
> The wound has healed nicely but that month was a very hairy time.
>
> ==
>
> Yes, I understood at the time that it was very serious. Anyone making
> jokes
> and using that stuff to poke fun at you needs a rethink.
>
> It must have been a terrifying time for you both!
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It it scary but it's not anything that countless families haven't endured.
We have no choice but to endure and carry on. That sounds like a very
British way of seeing things, doesn't it?

So pip pip and toodle-oo.

==

Toodle pip old chap Keep that chin up what? ))



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:41:13 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Tue 15 Aug 2017 01:03:13p, graham told us...
>
>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've no idea where so many got the idea that there are no fine
>>>> venues to meet in the US, there are plenty of cafes even in the
>>>> sticks where I live, and countless fine taverns with well
>>>> appointed décor that serve excellent foods and of course a
>>>> plethora of spirits, wines, and beers/ales. I would never
>>>> choose to meet at a fast food joint or even one of the several
>>>> breakfast joints of the IHOP/Pancake house ilk.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around
>>> here they are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked
>>> food along with home- made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>
>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at
>>> McDonald's, White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning
>>> cup of coffee. It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go,
>>> someone to chat with, and usually these places offer coffee to
>>> seniors at a discounted price.
>>>
>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls
>>> that are not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.'
>>> It gives them a safe and comfortable place to get their miles in.
>>> No dodging cars in the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather
>>> either.
>>>
>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also
>> use A&W. Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks
>> IME.
>>
>
>I do stop at Starbucks on my way to go shopping, but I rarely see any
>socializing there. Almost everyone is glued to their tablet, laptop,
>or phone.

Disguise yourself one day and see if they're still glued to their
tablet, laptop or phone

On 2017-08-15 4:41 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 01:03:13p, graham told us...
>

>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also
>> use A&W. Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks
>> IME.
>>
>
> I do stop at Starbucks on my way to go shopping, but I rarely see any
> socializing there. Almost everyone is glued to their tablet, laptop,
> or phone.

Yep. That's what I see at Starbucks. The one attached to a Chapters
store has such affluent clientele that those who aren't there for the
free wifi are grabbing books and magazines and reading them while they
nurse a coffee for two hours.

On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here they
>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with home-
>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>
>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>
>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>
>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>
>>
> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>

Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting
them to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys
showing up for coffee at 7 AM.

On 8/15/2017 3:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:50:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/15/2017 10:22 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up live?
>>>>> Who knows?
>>>>
>>>> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
>>>> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
>>>> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
>>>> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
>>>> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, and weirdly, the Japanese are good for eating live
>>>> fish...like seeing a beating heart on their dish.
>>>> Those ppl aren't right.
>>>>
>>>> At least in the wild, predators will kill their prey
>>>> before they start to eat them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not necessarily, have you ever watched Nat Geo Wild? Also, vegetarians
>>> don't eat any dead animal, but there is a term for those that eat fish,
>>> shellfish, etc. Google says it's pescetarian. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Some is your reason to be a vegetarian. If you are concerned about the
>> treatment of animals, vegan is the answer. If you are just concerned
>> about consuming meat from a health perspective, fish may be allowed.
>>
>> I abhor the poor treatment of animals, but look at the food chain. If
>> birds can eat bugs and wolves can eat chickens, I see no reason not to
>> eat them too.
>
> Be honest. If you eat meat, you don't care about animals. There's
> really no way around that.
>

I don't eat animals. I get the meat from the supermarket.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 2017-08-15 10:21 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> He would have to kill the fish to eat it, maybe they slice it up
>> >>> live?
>> >>> Who knows?
>> >>
>> >> Oddly, he's a vegetarian because he opposes killing animals.
>> >> For some reason, he doesn't consider fish an animal though.
>> >> Ok to kill fish but not mammals? All are God's living
>> >> creatures, imo, and I even spare most insect lives.
>> >> Not all, but no one is perfect.
>> >
>> > I have always wondered about quasi vegetarians who eschew meat because
>> > they object to the killing but who will eat fish. Cows are killed in a
>> > much more humane manner than fish are. When fish are caught in nets
>> > they
>> > are dumped into the hold where they eventually suffocate under the
>> > weight
>> > off all their schoolmates.
>>
>> This doesn't apply to all pescetarians but some seem to see fish as some
>> kind of lesser being.
>
> Well, especially if they're tilapia.

Hehehe.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 4:33:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
> > sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
> >
>
> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting
> them to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys
> showing up for coffee at 7 AM.
>
>
That's true because you know the next thing would be "Ethel, how
about scrambling up some eggs for the guys?" Then it would be
"might as well cook some sausage and gravy while you're in the
kitchen." A sure fire way of getting a cast iron skillet up
side your head.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruno Mars - that guy was a Elvis impersonator in Waikiki when he
> > > was a little 4 year old dude. That was kind of strange.
> >
> > I had never heard of the fellow. I had to google that.
>
> I love Bruno!

Me too!

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Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/14/2017 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Charlotte came out well adjusted overall and wasn't too much of a
> > teen terror. She'd just graduated with an associates and looking
> > for her first job. Looking for starting with a local bookstore at
> > the moment (application sent in, seeing what happens). It's a
> > manager trainee position. Fair amount of competition but I told
> > her, you never win if you don't try.
> >
> >
>
> I hope she does well. Many retail stores call the job management
> trainee.

We are hopeful. Waiting is....

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Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/14/2017 5:58 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > > Why do you have to constantly drag up how he had to deal with his
> > > wife's illness??
> >
> > Maybe I'm glad I spot read because I haven't got a clue on that one.
> > So his wife was ill and something happened?
> >
>
> IIRC it was a post surgery problem.

I see it now. Cancer surgery and complications (they release way to
early now due to insurance not wanting to pay).

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here
>>>> they
>>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with
>>>> home-
>>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>
>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>
>
> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting them
> to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys showing up
> for coffee at 7 AM.


I like for mine to go out 2-3 times a week, it gets him up and moving, has
coffee for an hour or so with his buddies, no doubt swapping fish stories,
and then comes home to start the day.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 4:33:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>> > sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting
>> them to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys
>> showing up for coffee at 7 AM.
>>
>>
> That's true because you know the next thing would be "Ethel, how
> about scrambling up some eggs for the guys?" Then it would be
> "might as well cook some sausage and gravy while you're in the
> kitchen." A sure fire way of getting a cast iron skillet up
> side your head.


I get a lot done around here while he's gone since I'm an early riser.

Cheri

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 8/14/2017 5:58 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> > > Why do you have to constantly drag up how he had to deal with his
>> > > wife's illness??
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm glad I spot read because I haven't got a clue on that one.
>> > So his wife was ill and something happened?
>> >
>>
>> IIRC it was a post surgery problem.
>
> I see it now. Cancer surgery and complications (they release way to
> early now due to insurance not wanting to pay).

And often don't admit when they absolutely should.

Cheri

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:16:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> > My wife had a breast removed and the damn wound wouldn't heal. She
> > jokingly
> > told me to kiss her tit goodby. She didn't mind getting rid of it but
> > evidently her tit didn't care much for that plan. The amount of fluid
> > going
> > into the drain tubes nearly caused her to die - twice. Anyway, if she does
> > go before me, that stain will be the only physical remnant I'll have left
> > of
> > her.
> >
> > The wound has healed nicely but that month was a very hairy time.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Yes, I understood at the time that it was very serious. Anyone making
> > jokes
> > and using that stuff to poke fun at you needs a rethink.
> >
> > It must have been a terrifying time for you both!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> It it scary but it's not anything that countless families haven't endured.
> We have no choice but to endure and carry on. That sounds like a very
> British way of seeing things, doesn't it?
>
> So pip pip and toodle-oo.
>
> ==
>
> Toodle pip old chap Keep that chin up what? ))
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Right on, man!

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 05:00:50p, Cheri told us...
>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block.
>>>>>> Around here they are called 'meat and three' places. All home
>>>>>> cooked food along with home- made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at
>>>>>> McDonald's, White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning
>>>>>> cup of coffee. It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go,
>>>>>> someone to chat with, and usually these places offer coffee to
>>>>>> seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls
>>>>>> that are not opened yet to shoppers but are open for
>>>>>> 'walkers.' It gives them a safe and comfortable place to get
>>>>>> their miles in. No dodging cars in the local park and no
>>>>>> rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also
>>>>> use A&W. Those that a bit better off financially go to
>>>>> Starbucks IME.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends
>>>> than sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention
>>> inviting them to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or
>>> five guys showing up for coffee at 7 AM.
>>
>>
>> I like for mine to go out 2-3 times a week, it gets him up and
>> moving, has coffee for an hour or so with his buddies, no doubt
>> swapping fish stories, and then comes home to start the day.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>
> At first I wondered if you were talking about your dog or your
> husband. :-))

Both. DH goes fishing quite often and the dog goes with him, but the dog
doesn't care much for coffee.

Cheri

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:33:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here they
>>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with home-
>>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>
>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>
>
>Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting
>them to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys
>showing up for coffee at 7 AM.

No one arrives here at 7 AM other than critters, we're still in bed...
we've gotten up at 5 AM to feed the cats but then we go back to bed to
have our coffee etc. We don't want to see anyone until at least after
10 AM... and if we have chores planned we dont want to see anyone that
day. We've never met anyone for breakfast, not ever, we don't eat
breakfast... anyone other than the cats wanted to meet us for
breakfast we'd be assured they were seriously mentally ill. We don't
even do lunch with people we know and we'd only do dinner were it
previously planned. The only reason I can think of for us to meet
anyone at 7 AM is if one of the kids had to go to the ER. We're not
nearly so insecure that we need to have breakfast with people we
worked with... in fact since we retired neither of us has had any
communication with anyone we've worked with... they were not our
friends, they were aquaintances, people we hardly knew on a personal
level. The few people we worked with who we considered friends are
dead, however we never met them for breakfast.
We've just discussed this, and we both agree that retired adults who
meet for breakfast are seriously mentally ill. Meeting for breakfast
is what the homeless may do at soup kitchens and those who reside in
insane asylums.

On 8/15/2017 10:25 PM, wrote:

>
> No one arrives here at 7 AM other than critters, we're still in bed...
> we've gotten up at 5 AM to feed the cats but then we go back to bed to
> have our coffee etc. We don't want to see anyone until at least after
> 10 AM... and if we have chores planned we dont want to see anyone that
> day. We've never met anyone for breakfast, not ever,

We've done it twice, maybe three times but it was not early. It was a
situation where one of us had an appointment at 8 or 9 near a friend so
I suggested we meet for breakfast after since we were near them, about
25 miles from home.


> The only reason I can think of for us to meet
> anyone at 7 AM is if one of the kids had to go to the ER. We're not
> nearly so insecure that we need to have breakfast with people we
> worked with...

Seems like a lot of guys that are early risers and worked together for
many years are the ones that do that. I'm not an early riser by nature.



in fact since we retired neither of us has had any
> communication with anyone we've worked with... they were not our
> friends, they were aquaintances, people we hardly knew on a personal
> level.

I can narrow that down to two. One from a job I started in 1981. We
hit it off, became friends (both husband and wives) and though it is 30
years since we worked together we are still close friends. Another goes
back 25 years. Work aside we did things as friends. Her birthday is
the day before my wife's so I made dinner for both of them the past
couple of years. we're going out for lunch together tomorrow. in fact.

The rest, no contact. They may have been good to work with but we never
spent out of work time together.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:03:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-14 11:01 PM, JBurns wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:28:19 -0300, wrote:
>
>>> Curious to know if you ever met her parents? Sounds like learned
>>> behaviour.
>>
>> Single mother with several children. No father on the scene at all.
>
>The mother was a cray bitch too?

I didn't really have enough contact with her to see her in action. She
did call me drunk late one evening to tell me she couldn't stand the
daughter anymore and had kicked her out on the street.

Now, I understand that, but come on, you absolutely cannot kick your
teenage daughter out of the house in the middle of the night, if only
for their own safety.

<snip>
JB

>

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here
>>>> they
>>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with
>>>> home-
>>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>
>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>
>
> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting them
> to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys showing up
> for coffee at 7 AM.

Hehehe. I wouldn't like that too much.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here
>>>> they
>>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with
>>>> home-
>>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>
>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>
>
> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting them
> to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys showing up
> for coffee at 7 AM.


I like for mine to go out 2-3 times a week, it gets him up and moving, has
coffee for an hour or so with his buddies, no doubt swapping fish stories,
and then comes home to start the day.

Cheri

==

At 7 AM??



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 09:13:29 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>> On 8/15/2017 4:08 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-08-15 1:58 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are cafés and diners here almost on every block. Around here
>>>>> they
>>>>> are called 'meat and three' places. All home cooked food along with
>>>>> home-
>>>>> made cakes, pies, and cobblers.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I don't begrudge the seniors that like to meet up at McDonald's,
>>>>> White Castle, Krystal, Hardee's etc. for a morning cup of coffee.
>>>>> It gets them out of the house, somewhere to go, someone to chat with,
>>>>> and usually these places offer coffee to seniors at a discounted price.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of them are stopping in before or after they go to malls that are
>>>>> not opened yet to shoppers but are open for 'walkers.' It gives them a
>>>>> safe and comfortable place to get their miles in. No dodging cars in
>>>>> the local park and no rainy/snowy/hot weather either.
>>>>>
>>>> It seems to be universal as I have noticed that here. They also use A&W.
>>>> Those that a bit better off financially go to Starbucks IME.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, I rather see them out enjoying a cup of coffee with friends than
>>> sitting home listening to their arteries hardening.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, getting out of the house is important. Sheldon mention inviting them
>> to one's home. I bet not to many wive want four or five guys showing up
>> for coffee at 7 AM.
>
>
>I like for mine to go out 2-3 times a week, it gets him up and moving, has
>coffee for an hour or so with his buddies, no doubt swapping fish stories,
>and then comes home to start the day.
>
>Cheri
>
>==
>
>At 7 AM??

Does it never happen to you that you wake up before dawn and you feel
a sudden urge to exchange fishing stories with your buddies?