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Gary wrote:

> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > I see seeing eye dogs at the markets in town all the time.

>
> Best joke of the day.
> Your rural area must be a haven for the blind.
> The best blind haven in the universe.
>
> In my entire lifetime I've only seen blind with dogs or with a white
> cane tapping around on TV. Not once in real life. Perhaps they all
> sleep late and get out later in the day (after my time).


There's a fellow named Gary (not related to ours here). Gary likes
Harris Teeters about the same time I shop so we encounter one another
sometimes.

I've heard him tell his guide dog to take him to the butcher counter.
The dog goes there and barks once, pauses, then barks again and sits.
They come and tell him the specials (sales) and he gets his selections.
He comes with a paid assistant who helps get the rest of it all then
takes them back home.

He's the only one I've met in person with a guide dog for the blind.
Dunno his dog's name but he's a typical german shepard. Nice fellow,
probably state/federal aide for the shopper with him.
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:34:08 +1000, Dave Smith >
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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>>6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>>nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>
>>Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>>it. lol
>>
>>I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>
>>I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>>though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
>>weirdo as "normal."

>
>We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
>would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
>population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>
>>IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
>>home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
>>order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
>>stress.

>
>That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
>have our weaker moments.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:39:09 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> > I see seeing eye dogs at the markets in town all the time.

>>
>> Best joke of the day.
>> Your rural area must be a haven for the blind.
>> The best blind haven in the universe.
>>
>> In my entire lifetime I've only seen blind with dogs or with a white
>> cane tapping around on TV. Not once in real life. Perhaps they all
>> sleep late and get out later in the day (after my time).

>
>There's a fellow named Gary (not related to ours here). Gary likes
>Harris Teeters about the same time I shop so we encounter one another
>sometimes.
>
>I've heard him tell his guide dog to take him to the butcher counter.
>The dog goes there and barks once, pauses, then barks again and sits.
>They come and tell him the specials (sales) and he gets his selections.
>He comes with a paid assistant who helps get the rest of it all then
>takes them back home.
>
>He's the only one I've met in person with a guide dog for the blind.
>Dunno his dog's name but he's a typical german shepard. Nice fellow,
>probably state/federal aide for the shopper with him.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:42:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
>> Just because 0.001% of the
>> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>> change all public toilets to gender neutral.

>
>Really? Is that happening?


Gender indications on passports are disappearing. Schools are banning
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Gary wrote:

> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> > > stores too?
> > >
> > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
> > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
> > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
> > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
> > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
> > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
> > >
> > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > -sw

> >
> > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
> > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

>
> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
> Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>
> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> calling it. lol
>
> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>
> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
> any weirdo as "normal."
>
> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
> stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
> your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
> over daily stress.


LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.

The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
the system.
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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people
> > > > in other states take their obviously non-service dogs into
> > > > grocery stores too?
> > > >
> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek
> > > > out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes -
> > > > sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get
> > > > past them.* And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or
> > > > growling at other customers or dogs at any given time.
> > > >
> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
> > > > store? Why?
> > > >
> > > > -sw
> > >
> > > Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
> > > do not allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional
> > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
> > > it's common.

> >
> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> > calling it.* lol
> >
> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

>
> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing
> dog shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them
> around my food.
>
> >
> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
> > any weirdo as "normal."

>
> Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.
>
> >
> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly
> > crying over daily stress.

>
> That works for me.
>
>
> >


Dave, if it's an actual service animal (not 'support') then it's well
trained and won't mess on the floor in a grocery store or grab meat out
of the meat shelves or anything like that.
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
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>Gary wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> > > stores too?
>> > >
>> > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
>> > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
>> > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
>> > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
>> > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
>> > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
>> > >
>> > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> > > Why?
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> >
>> > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
>> > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>> > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

>>
>> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
>> Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>
>> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> calling it. lol
>>
>> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>
>> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
>> any weirdo as "normal."
>>
>> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
>> stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
>> your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
>> over daily stress.

>
>LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
>a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
>dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>
>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>the system.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 05:53:46 +1000, Dave Smith >
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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:42:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
>>> Just because 0.001% of the
>>> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>>> change all public toilets to gender neutral.

>>
>>Really? Is that happening?

>
>Gender indications on passports are disappearing. Schools are banning
>the use of phrases like "boys and girls", because that's very
>confronting for those who are neither.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people
>> > > > in other states take their obviously non-service dogs into
>> > > > grocery stores too?
>> > > >
>> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
>> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek
>> > > > out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes -
>> > > > sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get
>> > > > past them.* And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or
>> > > > growling at other customers or dogs at any given time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
>> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
>> > > > store? Why?
>> > > >
>> > > > -sw
>> > >
>> > > Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
>> > > do not allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional
>> > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
>> > > it's common.
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
>> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> > calling it.* lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

>>
>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing
>> dog shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them
>> around my food.
>>
>> >
>> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
>> > any weirdo as "normal."

>>
>> Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.
>>
>> >
>> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
>> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
>> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly
>> > crying over daily stress.

>>
>> That works for me.
>>
>>
>> >

>
>Dave, if it's an actual service animal (not 'support') then it's well
>trained and won't mess on the floor in a grocery store or grab meat out
>of the meat shelves or anything like that.

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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:43:26 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
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> In my entire lifetime I've only seen blind with dogs or with a white
> cane tapping around on TV. Not once in real life. Perhaps they all sleep
> late and get out later in the day (after my time).
>

It bears repeating once more. Gary, you need to get out more if you've
only seen the blind with dogs or a white cane on TV.
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snip
>
>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>the system.


I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 13:17:01 -0700 (PDT), "
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>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:43:26 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> In my entire lifetime I've only seen blind with dogs or with a white
>> cane tapping around on TV. Not once in real life. Perhaps they all sleep
>> late and get out later in the day (after my time).
>>

>It bears repeating once more. Gary, you need to get out more if you've
>only seen the blind with dogs or a white cane on TV.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:19:35 -0600, US Janet >
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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>>the system.

>
>I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>Janet US

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 21:13:13 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe
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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>in Message-ID: >
>cshenk wrote :
>
>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')

>
>I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they want
>the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>
>"Support" animals are a different ball game.

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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:55:04 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> > > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> > > > stores too?
> > > >
> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
> > > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
> > > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
> > > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
> > > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
> > > >
> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> > > > Why?
> > > >
> > > > -sw
> > >
> > > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
> > > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> > > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

> >
> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> > calling it. lol
> >
> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
> >
> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
> > any weirdo as "normal."
> >
> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
> > over daily stress.

> LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
> a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
> dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>
> The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
> the system.


I don't mind dogs, they should go wherever they want. Cats OTOH, I don't care for them much. OTOH, Taiyo helped me catch a large centipede this morning. He spotted it and I put it in a bucket. I threw that critter onto the parking lot, in the midst of some chicken. One chicken grabbed it and went all over the lot keeping it away from the other chickens. God, I love chickens and dogs.


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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:56:13 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:55:04 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> > > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> > > > stores too?
>> > > >
>> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
>> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
>> > > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
>> > > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
>> > > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
>> > > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> > > > Why?
>> > > >
>> > > > -sw
>> > >
>> > > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
>> > > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>> > > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
>> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> > calling it. lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>> >
>> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
>> > any weirdo as "normal."
>> >
>> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
>> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
>> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
>> > over daily stress.

>> LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
>> a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
>> dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>>
>> The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> the system.

>
>I don't mind dogs, they should go wherever they want. Cats OTOH, I don't care for them much. OTOH, Taiyo helped me catch a large centipede this morning. He spotted it and I put it in a bucket. I threw that critter onto the parking lot, in the midst of some chicken. One chicken grabbed it and went all over the lot keeping it away from the other chickens. God, I love chickens and dogs.
>

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US Janet wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
> > the system.

>
> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
> Janet US


No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.
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heyjoe wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
> in Message-ID: >
> cshenk wrote :
>
> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')

>
> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>
> "Support" animals are a different ball game.


Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....
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>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.

>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US

>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.


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>heyjoe wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>> in Message-ID: >
>> cshenk wrote :
>>
>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')

>>
>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>
>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.

>
>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....


These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:11:19 +1000, Dave Smith >
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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>US Janet wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>> >
>>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>>> > the system.
>>>
>>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>>> Janet US

>>
>>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

>
>Yep, support animals... a huge problem! lol

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
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>heyjoe wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>> in Message-ID: >
>> cshenk wrote :
>>
>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')

>>
>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>
>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.

>
>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
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>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.

>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US

>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

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>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>heyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>>> in Message-ID: >
>>> cshenk wrote :
>>>
>>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>>
>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.

>>
>>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

>
>These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
>walk into a support animal.

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On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
>> heyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>>> in Message-ID: >
>>> cshenk wrote :
>>>
>>>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>>
>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.

>>
>> Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>> have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

>
> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
> walk into a support animal.


Modern times have gone all to hell. No matter what you do or don't do,
someone will have a problem with it.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.

>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US

>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.


I am sure that is a big statistic. I will not refuse solace to
someone who needs it,
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> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:55:04 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of
> > > > > people in other states take their obviously non-service dogs
> > > > > into grocery stores too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets
> > > > > to make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some
> > > > > peek out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes
> > > > > - sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can
> > > > > get past them. And any number of them can be barking,
> > > > > yapping, or growling at other customers or dogs at any given
> > > > > time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> > > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
> > > > > store? Why?
> > > > >
> > > > > -sw
> > > >
> > > > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
> > > > do not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional
> > > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
> > > > it's common.
> > >
> > > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> > > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes
> > > too. Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> > >
> > > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> > > calling it. lol
> > >
> > > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
> > >
> > > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> > > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should
> > > accept any weirdo as "normal."
> > >
> > > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your
> > > side, stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even
> > > better...let your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a
> > > chair softly crying over daily stress.

> > LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's
> > is a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service
> > guide dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
> >
> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse
> > of the system.

>
> I don't mind dogs, they should go wherever they want. Cats OTOH, I
> don't care for them much. OTOH, Taiyo helped me catch a large
> centipede this morning. He spotted it and I put it in a bucket. I
> threw that critter onto the parking lot, in the midst of some
> chicken. One chicken grabbed it and went all over the lot keeping it
> away from the other chickens. God, I love chickens and dogs.


LOL! That would have been fun to watch!
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US Janet wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
> > US Janet wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >> >
> >> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of

> abuse of >> > the system.
> >>
> >> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and

> none >> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support
> animal. PTSD >> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a
> support animal isn't >> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained
> for all sorts of needs. >> I guess we all just need to be kind and
> understanding. >> Janet US
> >
> > No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but
> > while a few are well trained, so many are not and they have been
> > known to bite people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

>
> I am sure that is a big statistic. I will not refuse solace to
> someone who needs it,
> Janet US


Oh I don't mind them, but if badly behaved, they can be dangerous in
the wrong setting.

What doesn't bother me? A small one in the child seat of a cart.
Harmless and if it comforts the owner, I'm all for it.
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>dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:55:04 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> > Gary wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of
>> > > > > people in other states take their obviously non-service dogs
>> > > > > into grocery stores too?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets
>> > > > > to make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some
>> > > > > peek out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes
>> > > > > - sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can
>> > > > > get past them. And any number of them can be barking,
>> > > > > yapping, or growling at other customers or dogs at any given
>> > > > > time.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> > > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
>> > > > > store? Why?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -sw
>> > > >
>> > > > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
>> > > > do not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional
>> > > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
>> > > > it's common.
>> > >
>> > > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> > > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes
>> > > too. Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> > >
>> > > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> > > calling it. lol
>> > >
>> > > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>> > >
>> > > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> > > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should
>> > > accept any weirdo as "normal."
>> > >
>> > > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your
>> > > side, stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even
>> > > better...let your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a
>> > > chair softly crying over daily stress.
>> > LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's
>> > is a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service
>> > guide dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse
>> > of the system.

>>
>> I don't mind dogs, they should go wherever they want. Cats OTOH, I
>> don't care for them much. OTOH, Taiyo helped me catch a large
>> centipede this morning. He spotted it and I put it in a bucket. I
>> threw that critter onto the parking lot, in the midst of some
>> chicken. One chicken grabbed it and went all over the lot keeping it
>> away from the other chickens. God, I love chickens and dogs.

>
>LOL! That would have been fun to watch!



Since childhood I've seen many seeing eye dogs, people with a white
cane and a harnessed dog, typically a large dog. Normal people know
to give them wide birth. Growing up in NY City there were lots of
seeing eye dogs, in streets, stores, public transportation,
everywhere. Even here in the boonies there are lots of seeing eye
dogs and other service dogs.
I see service dogs every time I go into town. They are low key and
never bothersome, they are well trained and know their job.
Everyone be very thankful that you don't need a service dog. I've
learned that there's really no difference between a service dog and a
farm dog that sees to the herd. I've seen a small sheltie round up 50
black angus and move them field to field to feed. It's really quite
amazing to see these dogs do their job.


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> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:39:32 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:55:04 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of
>>>>>>> people in other states take their obviously non-service dogs
>>>>>>> into grocery stores too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets
>>>>>>> to make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some
>>>>>>> peek out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes
>>>>>>> - sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can
>>>>>>> get past them. And any number of them can be barking,
>>>>>>> yapping, or growling at other customers or dogs at any given
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>>>>>>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
>>>>>>> store? Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
>>>>>> do not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional
>>>>>> support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
>>>>>> it's common.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>>>>> about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes
>>>>> too. Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>>>>> calling it. lol
>>>>>
>>>>> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>>>>> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should
>>>>> accept any weirdo as "normal."
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your
>>>>> side, stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even
>>>>> better...let your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a
>>>>> chair softly crying over daily stress.
>>>> LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's
>>>> is a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service
>>>> guide dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>>>>
>>>> The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse
>>>> of the system.
>>>
>>> I don't mind dogs, they should go wherever they want. Cats OTOH, I
>>> don't care for them much. OTOH, Taiyo helped me catch a large
>>> centipede this morning. He spotted it and I put it in a bucket. I
>>> threw that critter onto the parking lot, in the midst of some
>>> chicken. One chicken grabbed it and went all over the lot keeping it
>>> away from the other chickens. God, I love chickens and dogs.

>>
>> LOL! That would have been fun to watch!

>
>
> Since childhood I've seen many seeing eye dogs, people with a white
> cane and a harnessed dog, typically a large dog. Normal people know
> to give them wide birth. Growing up in NY City there were lots of
> seeing eye dogs, in streets, stores, public transportation,
> everywhere. Even here in the boonies there are lots of seeing eye
> dogs and other service dogs.
> I see service dogs every time I go into town. They are low key and
> never bothersome, they are well trained and know their job.
> Everyone be very thankful that you don't need a service dog. I've
> learned that there's really no difference between a service dog and a
> farm dog that sees to the herd. I've seen a small sheltie round up 50
> black angus and move them field to field to feed. It's really quite
> amazing to see these dogs do their job.
>


Popeye, did those dogs have enormous titties?


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> LOL! That would have been fun to watch!


We know how to have a good ole time in my town!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikZwgj89HI
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>On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> heyjoe wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>>>> in Message-ID: >
>>>> cshenk wrote :
>>>>
>>>>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>>>
>>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
>>>
>>> Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>>> have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

>>
>> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
>> walk into a support animal.

>
>Modern times have gone all to hell. No matter what you do or don't do,
>someone will have a problem with it.


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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:34:15 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
> >6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
> >nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> >Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
> >it. lol
> >
> >I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
> >
> >I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> >though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
> >weirdo as "normal."

> We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
> would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
> change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>

If there were fully enclosed toileting stalls then the issue would be a
non issue. I even think that there's a good chance that handwashing
habits would improve if the sink area was unisex.
>
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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> >>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> >>> stores too?
> >>>
> >>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
> >>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
> >>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
> >>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
> >>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
> >>> customers or dogs at any given time.
> >>>
> >>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> >>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> >>> Why?
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
> >> allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> >> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

> >
> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
> > it. lol
> >
> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
> my food.
>

How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.
>

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On 6/14/2021 8:31 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore.* I'm too afraid to
>> walk into a support animal.

>
> Modern times have gone all to hell.* No matter what you do or don't do,
> someone will have a problem with it.
>

"Our" Dave didn't write that, Gary. It was one of the forgers who uses
aioe.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
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>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>> > it. lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
>> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
>> my food.
>>

>How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
>with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
>legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.


14 year old fun.
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:06:17 -0400, jmcquown >
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>On 6/14/2021 8:31 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore.* I'm too afraid to
>>> walk into a support animal.

>>
>> Modern times have gone all to hell.* No matter what you do or don't do,
>> someone will have a problem with it.
>>

>"Our" Dave didn't write that, Gary. It was one of the forgers who uses
>aioe.


You missed it, but Gary probably saw that the post was signed "Bruce".
So much for forging, you dummy.

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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:12:42 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 08:31:31 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> heyjoe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
> >>>> in Message-ID: >
> >>>> cshenk wrote :
> >>>>
> >>>>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
> >>>>
> >>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
> >>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
> >>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
> >>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
> >>> have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....
> >>
> >> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
> >> walk into a support animal.

> >
> >Modern times have gone all to hell. No matter what you do or don't do,
> >someone will have a problem with it.

> Yes, being offended has become a favourite pastime.
>
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It's a problem.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:06:17 -0400, jmcquown >
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>On 6/14/2021 8:31 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore.* I'm too afraid to
>>> walk into a support animal.

>>
>> Modern times have gone all to hell.* No matter what you do or don't do,
>> someone will have a problem with it.
>>

>"Our" Dave didn't write that, Gary. It was one of the forgers who uses
>aioe.
>
>Jill

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