I found an MSN slideshow that had a few details for every state.

It was kind of repetitive, but a few things stood out. One was that now that many stores, everywhere, currently do not have to accept cans and bottles, Iowa, for one, has over 1,000 stores that are PETITIONING for that change to become permanent!

And in NYC, the fancier stores have lost a lot of business, since wealthier New Yorkers have fled the city.

And, in Vermont...

"Grocery clerks in Vermont have officially been dubbed €œemergency workers€� by the state government. The new status gives them access to free child care."


Lenona.

More on NYC:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/

On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
> More on NYC:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>

I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.

How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>> More on NYC:
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>
>
>I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>
>How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.

I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
fills.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>> More on NYC:
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>
>
>I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>
>How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.

It would be good for the environment if many people continue to work
from home after this crisis.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>>> More on NYC:
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>>
>>
>>I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>>change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>>
>>How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>>restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.
>
>I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
>if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
>one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
>filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
>fills.

How about that Chinese restaurant you frequently frequent?

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:06:59 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>>>> More on NYC:
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>>>
>>>
>>>I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>>>change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>>>
>>>How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>>>restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.
>>
>>I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
>>if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
>>one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
>>filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>>threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>>properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
>>fills.
>
>How about that Chinese restaurant you frequently frequent?

Twice a year is far from frequent... snd noodle dishes are boiled.

Sheldon Martin brought next idea :
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:06:59 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> How about that Chinese restaurant you frequently frequent?
>
> Twice a year is far from frequent... snd noodle dishes are boiled.
>
Shelley likes that Kung Pow Pussy.

'love you long time, joe'

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:37:09 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:06:59 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
>>>if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
>>>one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
>>>filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>>>threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>>>properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
>>>fills.
>>
>>How about that Chinese restaurant you frequently frequent?
>
>Twice a year is far from frequent... snd noodle dishes are boiled.

Nevertheless, the "food is not properly handled/prepared" and "most is
too dangerous to be sent to land fills". You're risking your life
twice a year!

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>>>> More on NYC:
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>>> change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>>>
>>> How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>>> restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.
>>
>> I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
>> if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
>> one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
>> filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>> properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
>> fills.
>
> How about that Chinese restaurant you frequently frequent?
>

Golden coin?

Hell that place is so sanitized, Popeye can shit on the tables, and
culture swabs show it's sterile.

Normally Popeye don't trust chinks, but the dinks and gooks at
golden coin are perfect.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>> More on NYC:
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>
>
> I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People change
> habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>
> How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the restaurants?
> Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.

I am actually cooking far less now. Reason being, I can't find the
ingredients for what I would normally cook. We are having tuna casserole
about every two weeks. I did make that before but maybe once or twice a
year.

We are mainly eating cereal. Lots of cereal. And frozen meals. Why? Those
things are available in the stores here. I don't like this kind of food very
much so my appetite has tanked. Meanwhile, J is going crazy on the cereal! I
didn't even know he liked it. I never bought it before. But I bought some
now because it was available and it has vitamins in it.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> "Grocery clerks in Vermont have officially been dubbed €œemergency workers€� by the state government. The new status gives them access to free child care."

More importantly, it gives them access to personal protective
equipment.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:36:37 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:59:37 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:47:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/18/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
>>>> More on NYC:
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/nyc-gr...-three-cities/
>>>>
>>>
>>>I imagine there are more changes to come in the next year. People
>>>change habits and adapt to a new reality, whatever that may be.
>>>
>>>How many will continue to cook instead of heading back to the
>>>restaurants? Not a good time to be in any retail or food business.
>>
>> I predict that most intelligent people will be cooking at home... even
>> if opening cans... that's the best way to have control of how clean
>> one eats... I think restaurnats are and have always been the
>> filthiest. Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>> properly handled/prepared... most is too dangerous to be sent to land
>> fills.
>
>Sheldon's Favorite Chinese Restaurant, the Gold Coin:
>
>GOLD COIN RESTAURANT 1360 NEW SCOTLAND ROAD, SLINGERLANDS
>
>Inspected on 10/24/2016. Wiping cloths dirty, not stored properly in
>sanitizing solutions. Improper use and storage of clean, sanitized
>equipment and utensils.
>
>Inspected on 5/19/2017. Food not protected during storage,
>preparation, display, transportation and service, from potential
>sources of contamination (e.g., food uncovered, mislabeled, stored
>on floor, missing or inadequate sneeze guards, food containers
>double stacked). Handwashing facilities inaccessible, improperly
>located, dirty, in disrepair, improper fixtures, soap, and single
>service towels or hand drying devices missing. Potentially hazardous
>foods are not kept at or below 45F during cold holding, except
>smoked fish not kept at or below 38F during cold holding. In use
>food dispensing utensils improperly stored. Accurate thermometers
>not available or used to evaluate refrigerated or heated storage
>temperatures. Wiping cloths dirty, not stored properly in sanitizing
>solutions.

You still feeling ok, Sheldon? Not queasy or anything?

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
> properly handled/prepared...

Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.

I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >
> > Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
> > threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
> > properly handled/prepared...
>
> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>
> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh

Unless you receive your carryout food and stick it right up
your nose or in your eye, you're vanishingly unlikely to get
COVID-19 from restaurant food. The digestive tract is
inhospitable to coronavirus.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-04-20 11:53 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>> Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>> properly handled/prepared...
>
> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>

We tried to get take out food one night last week. We had forgotten to
get something out of the freezer in time to thaw for supper. Not a
problem. Call for take-out and help to keep the local restaurants in
business. The two in out little village had phone messages saying they
had decided to close, I then tried the "downtown" restaurants. They
were closed. I finally got a message that said they were open and busy
so leave a message and they would call back. They called back about 5
minutes later and thanked me for the call.... but they closed on
Tuesdays, and it was Tuesday.


There is a Vietnamese and a Thai restaurant in town, but I was not
prepared to try to order by phone. There are serious language barriers
in both places. They seem to have convinced themselves that they speak
English, but it is extremely hard to make yourself understood, and even
harder to understand them. If it's that bad in person I am not ready to
try to order over the phone.


> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh


I don't think I have ever been hungry enough that a McDonalds burger
sounded good.

>

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>> > threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>> > properly handled/prepared...
>>
>> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
>> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
>> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
>> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
>> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>>
>> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
>> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
>
>Unless you receive your carryout food and stick it right up
>your nose or in your eye, you're vanishingly unlikely to get
>COVID-19 from restaurant food. The digestive tract is
>inhospitable to coronavirus.

How about the mouth? Oh, and the nose. Don't smell the food!

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:53:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>> Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>> properly handled/prepared...
>
>Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
>continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
>to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
>health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
>Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>
>I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
>cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh

A McDs booger is the last thing I'd want to smell even on death row.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:53:00 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
>>> threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
>>> properly handled/prepared...
>>
>> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
>> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
>> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
>> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
>> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>>
>> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
>> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
>
> A McDs booger is the last thing I'd want to smell even on death row.
>

Yet yoose dine at gold coin?

How's their dog meat Popeye?

Gary wrote:
....
> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>
> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh

the burgers i make at home are much better. why
wouldn't you make a burger for yourself?

i can't remember the last time i had a McD's
cheeseburger, but it was some years ago. in
between then and now i've had a few burgers from
other places but can pass on all but a few of them
as places i'd rather go. there is a semi-local bar
that does a good job so we get one from them once
in a while.

simple ingredients and simple methods.

i like ground chuck for burgers. make a pretty
big patty (8-12oz) about an inch thick. warm up
the cast iron pan, put a bit of butter on it as it
is warming. i use one notch below medium on my
stove and the large burner.

sprinkle some garlic salt on one side and put it
on the pan to fry. when it starts sputtering i put
the garlic salt on the other side and turn it over.

depending upon the quality of the butcher i adjust
how done i want it. if i've had a good history with
them before i can let it cook until most of the pink
is gone inside and it is still juicy. i put the
cheese on to melt the last minute and turn off the
heat.

since i don't eat beef that often i enjoy this
eaten just as it is without condiments. cheese,
garlic salt and beef. about every month or two
is enough to fit my cravings.


songbird

songbird wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
> > cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
>
> the burgers i make at home are much better. why
> wouldn't you make a burger for yourself?

Most times I do make my own burgers at home. Just because
I like McD or Burger King whoppers, don't read that
as that's all I eat. They offer a different taste
and I'll buy some maybe once every 4 months or so.

> i can't remember the last time i had a McD's
> cheeseburger, but it was some years ago.

I only reason I said McD cheeseburger is because
that's what Bruce always says. Their hamburgers
are better than the cheeseburgers...too much cheese
on a small patty.

I DO like my own better with all the works. Some
bars serve good ones too. The fast food burgers just
offer a different taste that I like occasionally.
Don't eat them often but I do love them when I do.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:08:57 -0400, songbird >
wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>...
>> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
>> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
>> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
>> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
>> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.

That's true of restaurants before the virus.
>>
>> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
>> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
>
> the burgers i make at home are much better. why
>wouldn't you make a burger for yourself?
>
> i can't remember the last time i had a McD's
>cheeseburger, but it was some years ago. in
>between then and now i've had a few burgers from
>other places but can pass on all but a few of them
>as places i'd rather go. there is a semi-local bar
>that does a good job so we get one from them once
>in a while.
>
> simple ingredients and simple methods.
>
> i like ground chuck for burgers. make a pretty
>big patty (8-12oz) about an inch thick. warm up
>the cast iron pan, put a bit of butter on it as it
>is warming. i use one notch below medium on my
>stove and the large burner.
>
> sprinkle some garlic salt on one side and put it
>on the pan to fry. when it starts sputtering i put
>the garlic salt on the other side and turn it over.
>
> depending upon the quality of the butcher i adjust
>how done i want it. if i've had a good history with
>them before i can let it cook until most of the pink
>is gone inside and it is still juicy. i put the
>cheese on to melt the last minute and turn off the
>heat.
>
> since i don't eat beef that often i enjoy this
>eaten just as it is without condiments. cheese,
>garlic salt and beef. about every month or two
>is enough to fit my cravings.
>
> songbird

I always make my own burgers from meat I grind myself, I never buy
preground mystery meat. I admit to trying a burger at the golden
arches one time and couldn't eat more than two bites... that was in CA
when it cost 19¢, 1962.

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:53:00 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >
> > Eating out is the very best way to contract a life
> > threatening disease... the vast majority of restaurant food is not
> > properly handled/prepared...
>
> Even though restaurants are closed to dining in, many people
> continue to order take out food. Sure, it's nice to try
> to keep them going but at the same time, WHO knows the
> health conditions of the workers inside making that food.
> Many workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>
> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's
> cheeseburger is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh

In areas practicing social distancing, the restaurants will be a major vector for spreading covid-19. One should be very afraid of ordering food take out.

On 2020-04-21 2:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:53:00 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
y workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
>>
>> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's cheeseburger
>> is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
>
> In areas practicing social distancing, the restaurants will be a
> major vector for spreading covid-19. One should be very afraid of
> ordering food take out.
>


I don't see why take out food should be a problem so long as the staff
are covid free and taking precautions. The main problem with
restaurants is the close quarters and close contact with large numbers
of people.


On a related note I was in a grocery store yesterday to get some fresh
fruit and vegetables. I noted that the woman who was stocking the
cucumbers was wearing gloves. Then I happened to notice her cought
into her gloved hand and continue handling the produce.

Dave Smith wrote:
....
> On a related note I was in a grocery store yesterday to get some fresh
> fruit and vegetables. I noted that the woman who was stocking the
> cucumbers was wearing gloves. Then I happened to notice her cought
> into her gloved hand and continue handling the produce.

did you confront them?


songbird

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:04:09 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-04-21 2:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:53:00 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> y workers will come to work sick just to not lose a day's pay.
> >>
> >> I'll continue to cook at home even though a McDonald's cheeseburger
> >> is sounding pretty tasty right now. heh
> >
> > In areas practicing social distancing, the restaurants will be a
> > major vector for spreading covid-19. One should be very afraid of
> > ordering food take out.
> >
>
>
> I don't see why take out food should be a problem so long as the staff
> are covid free and taking precautions. The main problem with
> restaurants is the close quarters and close contact with large numbers
> of people.
>
>
> On a related note I was in a grocery store yesterday to get some fresh
> fruit and vegetables. I noted that the woman who was stocking the
> cucumbers was wearing gloves. Then I happened to notice her cought
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLl5yikUKfk into her gloved hand and continue handling the produce.

The problem is that we don't know if someone is covid 19 free or not. We don't know how many people have it. We can't even give an accurate count on how many it's killed. This virus is a most magnificent, beautiful, and perfectly-realized, creature.

On a more practical matter, how do we handle the dead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLl5yikUKfk