"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > In article >,
>> > > says...
>> > > >
>> >>> There's going to be a big event/food bank drive on Dataw on
>> >>> 10/29/17. It's in conjunction with a golf tournament.
>> > > >
>> >>> The organizers are going to set out 19 collection bins around the
>> >>> island that morning for food donations. One of the bins will be
>> >>> just down the street. I'll be donating.
>> > > >
>> >>> They're asking for canned food due to the long shelf-life. Also,
>> >>> the collection bins will be sitting outside for hours. No frozen
>> >>> or refrigerated food, please. Oh, and the people coming around to
>> >>> pick up the donations that afternoon won't have any way to guard
>> >>> against glass bottles/jars breaking so they'd rather none of
>> those, >>> either.
>> > > >
>> >>> I was told along with canned vegetables the emphasis is really on
>> >>> protein. Peanut butter (in plastic jars) was suggested. Along
>> >>> with canned beans, I'm thinking dried beans.
>> > >
>> >> Dried beans need plenty of cooking, People who are homeless don't
>> > > have facilities and poor people often don't cook because of the
>> > > fuel cost... so rice spices and dry herbs might not be usable.
>> > > Best to give stuff that can be eaten cold from a tin
>> > > (tuna,salmon, fruit, canned rice) or just warmed up quickly
>> > > (baked beans).
>> > >
>> >> Janet UK
>> >
>> > I'm sorry, it may not have been clear. This isnt just homeless with
>> > USA foodbanks, but those on limited income who do have pots, pans,
>> > and ability to cook. Just short of money and leading to eating dog
>> > or cat food if they don't have help.
>>
>> At my food bank, many are homeless.
>
> Understood Julie but the point is, across the nation this isnt always
> the case. Don't 'assume' all using a food bank are homeless. More are
> just a step away from that, than are actually homeless.
>

I never assumed all were.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> They can't turn peoples electric or gas off here in the winter.
>>
>> They can here.
>>
>>
>
> Washington state does have cold weather protection laws for customers that
> qualify for energy assistance programs, however.

Maybe. I don't know. I don't qualify.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:54:46 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-10-10 8:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> There's going to be a big event/food bank drive on Dataw on 10/29/17.
>> It's in conjunction with a golf tournament.
>>
>> The organizers are going to set out 19 collection bins around the island
>> that morning for food donations.* One of the bins will be just down the
>> street.* I'll be donating.
>>
>> They're asking for *canned* food due to the long shelf-life.* Also, the
>> collection bins will be sitting outside for hours.* No frozen or
>> refrigerated food, please.* Oh, and the people coming around to pick up
>> the donations that afternoon won't have any way to guard against glass
>> bottles/jars breaking so they'd rather none of those, either.
>>
>> I was told along with canned vegetables the emphasis is really on
>> protein.* Peanut butter (in plastic jars) was suggested.* Along with
>> canned beans, I'm thinking dried beans.* Canned broth.* Rice is a starch
>> but if, as I suspect, many of the recipients will be local migrant farm
>> workers, perhaps they might like some rice with those beans.* More
>> protein: canned chunk chicken, tuna, salmon. Spam.
>>
>> I'm also thinking canned fruit.* Not everything is about protein.
>>
>> How about some dried herbs and spices?
>>
>> Any other suggestions for shelf-stable and/or or canned items to put in
>> the food bank bin?* I thought about canned tomatoes.* But if this is
>> indeed mostly going to feed the local farm workers, they're the ones who
>> have been picking the tomatoes for months.* They're probably sick of them.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Food banks have much higher purchasing power than individuals. It's far,
>far better to donate money and leave them to buy the food.
>Graham

Exactly!

On 10/12/2017 11:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>
>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>> food.
>>
>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>
> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>
> -sw
>
Pickles? (dunno, I don't buy pickles)

Jill

On 10/13/2017 12:10 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:53:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>>> food.
>>>
>>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>>
>> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I haven't looked at baby foods in some fifty years.
> I can't imagine too many are donating hot sauce, least not around
> here... perhaps common in tex mex land. I don't buy spaghetti sauce
> but mostly around here I've been seeing it more in cans than in glass
> jars... I've also seen it in plastic jars. Packaging keeps changing
> and by region. Last Christmas time I was doing some baking and needed
> applesauce, no more glass jars, now plastic jars. I like to bake bran
> muffins with applesauce rather than with oil.
>
He didn't mention hot sauce, but the last jar of mayo I bought was
glass, ditto Dijon mustard and a jar of jalapeno peppers. With so many
people concerned about plastic in landfills I'm surprised at how many
food items are packaged in plastic rather than glass containers.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> On 10/13/2017 12:10 AM, wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:53:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
> >>
> >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
> >>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
> >>>> food.
> >>>
> >>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
> >>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
> >>
> >> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
> >> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
> >> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
> >> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > I haven't looked at baby foods in some fifty years.
> > I can't imagine too many are donating hot sauce, least not around
> > here... perhaps common in tex mex land. I don't buy spaghetti sauce
> > but mostly around here I've been seeing it more in cans than in glass
> > jars... I've also seen it in plastic jars. Packaging keeps changing
> > and by region. Last Christmas time I was doing some baking and needed
> > applesauce, no more glass jars, now plastic jars. I like to bake bran
> > muffins with applesauce rather than with oil.
> >
> He didn't mention hot sauce, but the last jar of mayo I bought was
> glass, ditto Dijon mustard and a jar of jalapeno peppers. With so many
> people concerned about plastic in landfills I'm surprised at how many
> food items are packaged in plastic rather than glass containers.

Plastic and glass containers are both recycled here so don't go to
landfill. Many people prefer to avoid the potential migration of
chemicals from plastic into stored foods. Especially for baby foods.

I buy storage food and drink in glass containers rather than plastic.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...337.12028/full


Janet UK

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:39:19 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/12/2017 11:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>>> food.
>>>
>>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>>
>> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>Pickles? (dunno, I don't buy pickles)
>
>Jill

Fermented pickles (Clausen) are now in plastic jars.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:45:23 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2017 12:10 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:53:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>>>> food.
>>>>
>>>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>>>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>>>
>>> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>>> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>>> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>>> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> I haven't looked at baby foods in some fifty years.
>> I can't imagine too many are donating hot sauce, least not around
>> here... perhaps common in tex mex land. I don't buy spaghetti sauce
>> but mostly around here I've been seeing it more in cans than in glass
>> jars... I've also seen it in plastic jars. Packaging keeps changing
>> and by region. Last Christmas time I was doing some baking and needed
>> applesauce, no more glass jars, now plastic jars. I like to bake bran
>> muffins with applesauce rather than with oil.
>>
>He didn't mention hot sauce, but the last jar of mayo I bought was
>glass, ditto Dijon mustard

I haven't seen mayo or mustard in glass for at least five years, they
all went to plastic, same as ketchup.

>and a jar of jalapeno peppers. With so many
>people concerned about plastic in landfills I'm surprised at how many
>food items are packaged in plastic rather than glass containers.
>
>Jill

Manufactuing glass pollutes more than manufacturing plastic...
requires extremely high temperatures to produce and form glass.

On 2017-10-13, Janet > wrote:

> Plastic and glass containers are both recycled here so don't go to
> landfill.

So you think.

The stats I read say only about 10% of plastic gets recycled. The
rest gets dumped ....landfills? Ocean? You tell me! Basically, it's
still cheaper to buy new plastic (pellets by the train car load) than
to buy recycled plastic.

> Many people prefer to avoid the potential migration of chemicals
> from plastic into stored foods. Especially for baby foods.

I agree. I put as much as I can in re-usable glass containers. They
are washable AND re-usable.

I walked down the pickle/mayo isle in the sprmkt, yesterday. Mostly
glass, but a lotta plastic being "introduced".

I'd like to find a glass container for my tomato juice (bloody
mary's). I've gone to two different mkts and have found they no
longer even carry tomato juice. WTF!?

nb

On 10/13/2017 9:24 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:45:23 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2017 12:10 AM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:53:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>>>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>>>>> food.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>>>>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>>>>
>>>> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>>>> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>>>> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>>>> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at baby foods in some fifty years.
>>> I can't imagine too many are donating hot sauce, least not around
>>> here... perhaps common in tex mex land. I don't buy spaghetti sauce
>>> but mostly around here I've been seeing it more in cans than in glass
>>> jars... I've also seen it in plastic jars. Packaging keeps changing
>>> and by region. Last Christmas time I was doing some baking and needed
>>> applesauce, no more glass jars, now plastic jars. I like to bake bran
>>> muffins with applesauce rather than with oil.
>>>
>> He didn't mention hot sauce, but the last jar of mayo I bought was
>> glass, ditto Dijon mustard
>
> I haven't seen mayo or mustard in glass for at least five years, they
> all went to plastic, same as ketchup.
>
>> and a jar of jalapeno peppers. With so many
>> people concerned about plastic in landfills I'm surprised at how many
>> food items are packaged in plastic rather than glass containers.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Manufactuing glass pollutes more than manufacturing plastic...
> requires extremely high temperatures to produce and form glass.
>
I know about glass blowing as an art form but never really thought about
it in terms of manufacturing jars for food.

I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic. There's
a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery store.
(Beaufort County is considering banning them.)

I have cloth [shopping] bags but I don't always know how much I'm going
to buy. I shop with a list but sometimes packages are larger than
expected or I find a deal so I buy a few extra items. This means I
don't always have enough cloth bags to hold everything.

I use those plastic bags to line the waste paper baskets in the
bathroom. They never contain more than some empty toilet paper rolls or
Kleenex so they get emptied and re-used. I use plastic bags to dispose
of dirty cat litter. If they abolish plastic bags I'm not sure what
else I could use for that purpose.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 9:50 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-10-13, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Plastic and glass containers are both recycled here so don't go to
>> landfill.
>
> So you think.
>
> The stats I read say only about 10% of plastic gets recycled. The
> rest gets dumped ....landfills? Ocean? You tell me! Basically, it's
> still cheaper to buy new plastic (pellets by the train car load) than
> to buy recycled plastic.
>
>> Many people prefer to avoid the potential migration of chemicals
>> from plastic into stored foods. Especially for baby foods.
>
I don't have to worry about baby food.

> I agree. I put as much as I can in re-usable glass containers. They
> are washable AND re-usable.
>
> I walked down the pickle/mayo isle in the sprmkt, yesterday. Mostly
> glass, but a lotta plastic being "introduced".
>
Pickles are still sold in glass jars. So are many jams and jellies.
Ice cream topping (butterscotch!) comes in a glass jar. I can still
find mayo and Dijon mustard in glass jars.

> I'd like to find a glass container for my tomato juice (bloody
> mary's). I've gone to two different mkts and have found they no
> longer even carry tomato juice. WTF!?
>
> nb
>
No tomato juice? That's just weird. But I'd expect it to come in cans
rather than glass.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.Â* There's
> a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery store.
> (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>

The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
people that cause the problem.




> I use those plastic bags to line the waste paper baskets in the
> bathroom.Â* They never contain more than some empty toilet paper rolls or
> Kleenex so they get emptied and re-used.Â* I use plastic bags to dispose
> of dirty cat litter.Â* If they abolish plastic bags I'm not sure what
> else I could use for that purpose.
>
> Jill

They have a lot of secondary uses. I don't think we ever discraded an
empty bag. They get used for something and may be disposed of with
other waste in them.

On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:

> No tomato juice? That's just weird. But I'd expect it to come in cans
> rather than glass.

Tell me about it. I usta love Sacramento brand tomato juice.

Safeway has "house brand" tomato juice ina plastic bottle. That's
this time. Last time I looked, no tomato juice at all! 8|

nb

> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>> If they abolish plastic bags I'm not sure what else I could use for
>> that purpose.

Howzabout what you used before they introduced plastic bags? Remember
paper bags?

nb

On 10/13/2017 3:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 9:42:15 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Any other suggestions for shelf-stable and/or or canned items to
>>>>> put
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> the food bank bin?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > Don't shoot the messenger but how about donating some boxes of
>>>>> > Hamburger Helper or boxes of macaroni and/or spaghetti?Â* These
>>>>> > are all shelf stable items.
>>>>>
>>>>> But those are not canned and...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Learn to read, dummy.Â* Jill's post said they are requesting
>>>> ***shelf-stable AND/OR canned items.***Â* About the only people
>>>> that will be, if any, eating directly out of the can are going
>>>> to be transients aka drifter/hobo/homeless.
>>>
>>> That's not necessarily true. And in this area, many served by the
>>> food bank
>>> *are* homeless.
>>
>> Um, typically the homeless frequent soup kitchens.
>
> No soup kitchens here. Seattle? Yeah.

Erm...

http://www.homelessnessinamerica.com...ngton/Bothell/

Find Bothell Food Banks, Food Pantries and Soup Kitchens


1. Canyon Hills Community Church Food Bank in Bothell, WA 22027 17th AVE
SE Bothell, WA 98021

On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.
>> There's a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery
>> store. (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>>
>
> The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
> people that cause the problem.
>
What are people doing with them that creates a problem? Maybe I live in
an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by the side of the
road. Or, as someone mentioned here once, plastic bags in trees! (Not
even after two hurricanes.) That sort of thing just doesn't happen
where I live.

>> I use those plastic bags to line the waste paper baskets in the
>> bathroom.Â* They never contain more than some empty toilet paper rolls
>> or Kleenex so they get emptied and re-used.Â* I use plastic bags to
>> dispose of dirty cat litter.Â* If they abolish plastic bags I'm not
>> sure what else I could use for that purpose.
>>
>> Jill
>
> They have a lot of secondary uses.Â* I don't think we ever discraded an
> empty bag.Â* They get used for something and may be disposed of with
> other waste in them.
>
Exactly. Secondary uses. The ones in the bathroom waste baskets get
used over and over. They aren't "dirty". Just paper stuff in them.
But I can't do that with the plastic bags I use to dispose of dirty cat
litter. The dirty cat litter along with the bag has to go out with the
trash.

Just an FYI: I don't buy cat litter in plastic jugs. What I buy comes
in thick 10 lb. paper bags. But I need plastic bags to easily dispose
of the *used* litter. Don't know what I'll do if the county bans them.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 9:19 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:39:19 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/2017 11:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>>>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>>>>> food.
>>>>
>>>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>>>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>>>
>>> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>>> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>>> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>>> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> Pickles? (dunno, I don't buy pickles)
>>
>> Jill
>
> Fermented pickles (Clausen) are now in plastic jars.
>
Thanks for the info. I don't like pickled cukes so I haven't noticed.

Oh, but the peanut butter I like comes in a glass jar. Sure, there are
lots of plastic jarred PB's on the market. The stuff I prefer still
comes in a glass jar. I suspect there's always an exception.

Jill
Jill

On 10/13/2017 8:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Maybe I live in an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by
> the side of the road.


Here they refer to them as the state flag!

;-(

On 10/13/2017 10:29 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> No tomato juice? That's just weird. But I'd expect it to come in cans
>> rather than glass.
>
> Tell me about it. I usta love Sacramento brand tomato juice.
>
> Safeway has "house brand" tomato juice ina plastic bottle. That's
> this time. Last time I looked, no tomato juice at all! 8|
>
> nb
>
You could ask at the customer service desk. It doesn't make sense for a
grocery store not to stock tomato juice, container not withstanding.

Oh, and you could probably find a glass pitcher for your bloody mary's
on eBay or etsy.

Jill

On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:

> Oh, and you could probably find a glass pitcher for your bloody
> mary's on eBay or etsy.

Yes, but I'm trying to save $$$$, so I'll have it fer guns n'
booze.

nb

On 10/13/2017 10:33 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> If they abolish plastic bags I'm not sure what else I could use for
>>> that purpose.
>
> Howzabout what you used before they introduced plastic bags? Remember
> paper bags?
>
> nb
>
Before they introduced them? How old do you think I am?! LOL

Of course I remember paper grocery bags. I even walked from an
apartment in midtown Memphis to a grocery store every week and came back
carrying a couple of paper bags of food.

I didn't have a cat back in the day. Didn't have to scoop a litterbox
and need to dispose of it.

I have no problem with paper bags. Actually, the major grocery stores
around here offer paper in lieu of plastic. If I'm not using cloth bags
sure, I'll take paper. Paper won't work for scooping dirty cat litter.
I guess you'd have to have a cat to understand this.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Paper won't work for scooping dirty cat litter. I guess you'd have to
> have a cat to understand this.
>
> Jill


Maybe you need to take a break form being a pet slave.

On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:

> Before they introduced them? How old do you think I am?! LOL

If you think I'm gonna touch that question with a 10 ft pole, yer
sadly mistaken.

> Of course I remember paper grocery bags. I even walked from an
> apartment in midtown Memphis to a grocery store every week and came back
> carrying a couple of paper bags of food.

I was gonna say! I was bagging groceries in paper bags ina militay
commissary, back in '64. You weren't born yet?

> I guess you'd have to have a cat to understand this.

As if! I had cats fer the first 40 yrs of my life. No more. Still,
I use plastic bags fer the trash. Plus, I have a big collection of
paper bags. neener!

nb

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:44:25 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On 10/13/2017 12:10 AM, wrote:
>> > On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:53:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:03:14 -0400, wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Glass containers can break, particularly in a food drive situation.
>> >>>> The contents from broken containers spill and ruin the surrounding
>> >>>> food.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's easy peasy to keep glass containers separate... and there aren't
>> >>> all that many foods in glass today that people are likely to donate.
>> >>
>> >> Spaghetti sauce, condiment sauces, and baby food (in that order).
>> >> About half the donated baby food now comes in those "pudding cups",
>> >> but a lot of it is still glass - easier to tell if it's safe to eat
>> >> because of the "safety button" and they last longer on the shelves.
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >
>> > I haven't looked at baby foods in some fifty years.
>> > I can't imagine too many are donating hot sauce, least not around
>> > here... perhaps common in tex mex land. I don't buy spaghetti sauce
>> > but mostly around here I've been seeing it more in cans than in glass
>> > jars... I've also seen it in plastic jars. Packaging keeps changing
>> > and by region. Last Christmas time I was doing some baking and needed
>> > applesauce, no more glass jars, now plastic jars. I like to bake bran
>> > muffins with applesauce rather than with oil.
>> >
>> He didn't mention hot sauce, but the last jar of mayo I bought was
>> glass, ditto Dijon mustard and a jar of jalapeno peppers. With so many
>> people concerned about plastic in landfills I'm surprised at how many
>> food items are packaged in plastic rather than glass containers.
>
> Plastic and glass containers are both recycled here so don't go to
>landfill. Many people prefer to avoid the potential migration of
>chemicals from plastic into stored foods. Especially for baby foods.
>
> I buy storage food and drink in glass containers rather than plastic.
>
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...337.12028/full
>
>
> Janet UK

It's been years since glass went to the landfill here - in fact,
recycling glass has become the problem. It is cheaper to buy new
glass jars than to have anything to do with the glut of recycled
glass. With that in mind I try not to buy anything in glass, better
to have plastic which is now recycled into everything from sun deck
boards to fleece sweaters.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.
>>> There's a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery
>>> store. (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>>>
>>
>> The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
>> people that cause the problem.
>>
>What are people doing with them that creates a problem? Maybe I live in
>an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by the side of the
>road. Or, as someone mentioned here once, plastic bags in trees! (Not
>even after two hurricanes.) That sort of thing just doesn't happen
>where I live.

I mentioned that and you didn't believe it - I saw a tree recently
with about 3 bags festooning it, nearly stopped to take a pic but then
thought wtf - I'm not a liar.
>
>>> I use those plastic bags to line the waste paper baskets in the
>>> bathroom.* They never contain more than some empty toilet paper rolls
>>> or Kleenex so they get emptied and re-used.* I use plastic bags to
>>> dispose of dirty cat litter.* If they abolish plastic bags I'm not
>>> sure what else I could use for that purpose.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> They have a lot of secondary uses.* I don't think we ever discraded an
>> empty bag.* They get used for something and may be disposed of with
>> other waste in them.
>>
>Exactly. Secondary uses. The ones in the bathroom waste baskets get
>used over and over. They aren't "dirty". Just paper stuff in them.
>But I can't do that with the plastic bags I use to dispose of dirty cat
>litter. The dirty cat litter along with the bag has to go out with the
>trash.
>
>Just an FYI: I don't buy cat litter in plastic jugs. What I buy comes
>in thick 10 lb. paper bags. But I need plastic bags to easily dispose
>of the *used* litter. Don't know what I'll do if the county bans them.
>
>Jill

On 10/13/2017 6:29 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:54:46 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-10 8:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> There's going to be a big event/food bank drive on Dataw on 10/29/17.
>>> It's in conjunction with a golf tournament.
>>>
>>> The organizers are going to set out 19 collection bins around the island
>>> that morning for food donations.Â* One of the bins will be just down the
>>> street.Â* I'll be donating.
>>>
>>> They're asking for *canned* food due to the long shelf-life.
(snipped self)

>>> Jill
>>
>> Food banks have much higher purchasing power than individuals. It's far,
>> far better to donate money and leave them to buy the food.
>> Graham
>
> Exactly!
>
I don't trust charities as to where they're spending their money. There
used to be a low cost food assistance organization in this area called
'Angel Food Ministries'. For $30 you could get a box of food to feed a
family of four for nearly a month. The box included four frozen steaks
or frozen chicken, frozen and canned vegetables, a box of shelf-stable
milk, a carton of fresh eggs and a dessert.

It was a nice organization. Most of the food was donated by grocery
store distributors. I worked with a woman who volunteered at the church
handing out the boxes until... Greed took over and everything imploded.

"In December 2011, the Wingo family and two others were issued a federal
indictment for 49 counts of fraud.[8] On August 29, 2013, Wesley and
Andrew Wingo were sentenced to seven years in federal detention for
money laundering and conspiracy charges. Linda Wingo was sentenced to
five years probation, while Ministries employee Harry Michaels
previously pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud.[22]"

The people on Dataw who will be setting out the bins around the island
are asking for actual FOOD donations. Not checks. So I'll be donating
food. I hope that's okay with you and Graham.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 11:05 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Before they introduced them? How old do you think I am?! LOL
>
> If you think I'm gonna touch that question with a 10 ft pole, yer
> sadly mistaken.
>
>> Of course I remember paper grocery bags. I even walked from an
>> apartment in midtown Memphis to a grocery store every week and came back
>> carrying a couple of paper bags of food.
>
> I was gonna say! I was bagging groceries in paper bags ina militay
> commissary, back in '64. You weren't born yet?
>
I was born in 1960. I don't remember thinking about paper vs. plastic
when I was four years old. LOL

Sure, I remember helping my mom bring in paper bags of food from the
commissary. You're talking a long time ago.

>> I guess you'd have to have a cat to understand this.
>
> As if! I had cats fer the first 40 yrs of my life. No more.

Okay, I didn't know you had cats. How did you dispose of the dirty
litter? Paper bags?

> I use plastic bags fer the trash. Plus, I have a big collection of
> paper bags. neener!
>
> nb
>
Neener! I use tall plastic kitchen bags but since I don't throw
anything likely to spoil (food waste) into it those get re-used, too. I
don't replace them every week with a new one. I just empty it into the
trash can that goes out by the curb to be picked up.

Food waste goes down the garbage disposal. If it's something that can't
go down the disposal (bones, for example) I do put it in the plastic bag
and it goes out with the trash.

Jill

On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:

> I don't trust charities as to where they're spending their money.

Testify!!

I usta give to the United Way ....until I discovered their scam.

nb

On 2017-10-13 9:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/13/2017 6:29 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:54:46 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-10 8:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> There's going to be a big event/food bank drive on Dataw on 10/29/17.
>>>> It's in conjunction with a golf tournament.
>>>>
>>>> The organizers are going to set out 19 collection bins around the
>>>> island
>>>> that morning for food donations.Â* One of the bins will be just down the
>>>> street.Â* I'll be donating.
>>>>
>>>> They're asking for *canned* food due to the long shelf-life.
> (snipped self)
>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Food banks have much higher purchasing power than individuals. It's far,
>>> far better to donate money and leave them to buy the food.
>>> Graham
>>
>> Exactly!
>>
> I don't trust charities as to where they're spending their money.Â* There
> used to be a low cost food assistance organization in this area called
> 'Angel Food Ministries'.Â* For $30 you could get a box of food to feed a
> family of four for nearly a month.Â* The box included four frozen steaks
> or frozen chicken, frozen and canned vegetables, a box of shelf-stable
> milk, a carton of fresh eggs and a dessert.
>
> It was a nice organization.Â* Most of the food was donated by grocery
> store distributors.Â* I worked with a woman who volunteered at the church
> handing out the boxes until... Greed took over and everything imploded.
>
> "In December 2011, the Wingo family and two others were issued a federal
> indictment for 49 counts of fraud.[8] On August 29, 2013, Wesley and
> Andrew Wingo were sentenced to seven years in federal detention for
> money laundering and conspiracy charges. Linda Wingo was sentenced to
> five years probation, while Ministries employee Harry Michaels
> previously pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud.[22]"
>
> The people on Dataw who will be setting out the bins around the island
> are asking for actual FOOD donations.Â* Not checks.Â* So I'll be donating
> food.Â* I hope that's okay with you and Graham.
>
> Jill
That's fine, Jill. Perhaps the moral of your story is never to trust a
religious organisation.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> The people on Dataw who will be setting out the bins around the island are
> asking for actual FOOD donations. Not checks. So I'll be donating food.
> I hope that's okay with you and Graham.
>
> Jill


I wouldn't donate money to a food bank, ever. I give to very few organized
charities, and prefer to give close to home for the need, like you did with
buying groceries for the elderly lady. They do the mail thing a couple of
times a year here, where the mail person (probably hates that) picks up
groceries that you put on the porch for the food banks, never once have they
asked for money instead.

Cheri

On 10/13/2017 9:23 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Pickles are pretty rare.

Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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On 10/13/2017 9:28 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> you dunce,

Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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Hide the Ho Ho's!!!

On 2017-10-13, graham > wrote:

> That's fine, Jill. Perhaps the moral of your story is never to trust a
> religious organisation.

What!? You do not believe every word uttered by Creflo Dollar?

nb

On 10/13/2017 9:46 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> "where
> you live".

Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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On 10/13/2017 11:15 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.
>>>> There's a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery
>>>> store. (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
>>> people that cause the problem.
>>>
>> What are people doing with them that creates a problem? Maybe I live in
>> an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by the side of the
>> road. Or, as someone mentioned here once, plastic bags in trees! (Not
>> even after two hurricanes.) That sort of thing just doesn't happen
>> where I live.
>
> I mentioned that and you didn't believe it - I saw a tree recently
> with about 3 bags festooning it, nearly stopped to take a pic but then
> thought wtf - I'm not a liar.

I am not calling you a liar. I'm simply saying (again) I've never seen
such a thing. I can't figure out how plastic bags wind up in trees.

Jill

On 10/13/2017 10:45 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-10-13, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Oh, and you could probably find a glass pitcher for your bloody
>> mary's on eBay or etsy.
>
> Yes, but I'm trying to save $$$$, so I'll have it fer guns n'
> booze.
>
> nb
>
Then quit yer bitchin! LOL

Jill

On 10/13/2017 11:36 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-10-13 9:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/13/2017 6:29 AM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:54:46 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-10-10 8:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> There's going to be a big event/food bank drive on Dataw on 10/29/17.
>>>>> It's in conjunction with a golf tournament.
>>>>>
>>>>> The organizers are going to set out 19 collection bins around the
>>>>> island
>>>>> that morning for food donations.Â* One of the bins will be just down
>>>>> the
>>>>> street.Â* I'll be donating.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're asking for *canned* food due to the long shelf-life.
>> (snipped self)
>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Food banks have much higher purchasing power than individuals. It's
>>>> far,
>>>> far better to donate money and leave them to buy the food.
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Exactly!
>>>
>> I don't trust charities as to where they're spending their money.
>> There used to be a low cost food assistance organization in this area
>> called 'Angel Food Ministries'.Â* For $30 you could get a box of food
>> to feed a family of four for nearly a month.Â* The box included four
>> frozen steaks or frozen chicken, frozen and canned vegetables, a box
>> of shelf-stable milk, a carton of fresh eggs and a dessert.
>>
>> It was a nice organization.Â* Most of the food was donated by grocery
>> store distributors.Â* I worked with a woman who volunteered at the
>> church handing out the boxes until... Greed took over and everything
>> imploded.
>>
>> "In December 2011, the Wingo family and two others were issued a
>> federal indictment for 49 counts of fraud.[8] On August 29, 2013,
>> Wesley and Andrew Wingo were sentenced to seven years in federal
>> detention for money laundering and conspiracy charges. Linda Wingo was
>> sentenced to five years probation, while Ministries employee Harry
>> Michaels previously pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire
>> fraud.[22]"
>>
>> The people on Dataw who will be setting out the bins around the island
>> are asking for actual FOOD donations.Â* Not checks.Â* So I'll be
>> donating food.Â* I hope that's okay with you and Graham.
>>
>> Jill
> That's fine, Jill. Perhaps the moral of your story is never to trust a
> religious organisation.

I couldn't agree more. But even without the religious connotation, many
charities wind up paying the exec's huge salaries when they're supposed
to be using the money to help whatever cause. I won't give them a
chance to line their personal pocketbooks.

Dataw volunteers are asking for food so that's what the'll get.

Jill

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:51:02 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2017 11:15 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.
>>>>> There's a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery
>>>>> store. (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
>>>> people that cause the problem.
>>>>
>>> What are people doing with them that creates a problem? Maybe I live in
>>> an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by the side of the
>>> road. Or, as someone mentioned here once, plastic bags in trees! (Not
>>> even after two hurricanes.) That sort of thing just doesn't happen
>>> where I live.
>>
>> I mentioned that and you didn't believe it - I saw a tree recently
>> with about 3 bags festooning it, nearly stopped to take a pic but then
>> thought wtf - I'm not a liar.
>
>I am not calling you a liar. I'm simply saying (again) I've never seen
>such a thing. I can't figure out how plastic bags wind up in trees.
>
>Jill

Leave one out on your grass and watch what happens when the wind
inflates it and carries it up into trees.

On 10/13/2017 9:51 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> can't figure out how plastic bags wind up in trees.
>
> Jill

Um...there's this thing called...WIND~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!


https://alwaysbackroads.files.wordpr...flag.jpg?w=640

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vFBvwbEWxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLgh9h2ePYw

Narrated by Academy Award-winner Jeremy Irons, this "mockumentary"
video, hammers home the stark reality of California's plastic bag
pollution situation.


:-)))))

On 10/13/2017 10:00 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:51:02 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2017 11:15 AM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 10/13/2017 9:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really couldn't say I know much about manufacturing plastic.
>>>>>> There's a big movement to get rid of plastic bags at the grocery
>>>>>> store. (Beaufort County is considering banning them.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is not the bag itself, it is the careless use by a lot of
>>>>> people that cause the problem.
>>>>>
>>>> What are people doing with them that creates a problem? Maybe I live in
>>>> an odd area but I never see plastic bags discarded by the side of the
>>>> road. Or, as someone mentioned here once, plastic bags in trees! (Not
>>>> even after two hurricanes.) That sort of thing just doesn't happen
>>>> where I live.
>>>
>>> I mentioned that and you didn't believe it - I saw a tree recently
>>> with about 3 bags festooning it, nearly stopped to take a pic but then
>>> thought wtf - I'm not a liar.
>>
>> I am not calling you a liar. I'm simply saying (again) I've never seen
>> such a thing. I can't figure out how plastic bags wind up in trees.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Leave one out on your grass and watch what happens when the wind
> inflates it and carries it up into trees.
>
Narrated by Academy Award-winner Jeremy Irons, this "mockumentary"
video, hammers home the stark reality of California's plastic bag
pollution situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLgh9h2ePYw