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Awake
 
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Default "Al Qaeda" does not exist

I have had more than enough of this big lie. I suppose
the shit hit the fan with the announced publishing of the
reputed thoughts of "Al Qaeda", a fictionalized organization
created by the CIA through their control of Western media.

When the neo-CONS invaded Iraq they needed to show
results and that meant capturing the Iraqi leadership, and
that is what they did with the killing of Saddam Hussein's
sons and the capture of the man himself, pulling him from
a small hole in the ground.

Yet here we are three and one half years after 9-11 and not
a sign of Osama Bin Laden or his right hand man Ayman
al-Zawahri. Naturally I mean there is not a sign of either of
them being captured; the two of them are a constant presence
in the "news".

Not only are these two more elusive than Aladdin's lamp, but
their reputed "Al Qaeda" associate in Iraq -Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi- continues to issue edicts and threats (or so the
CIA claims through the Western media) with the same $25mil
bounty on his head as the Hussein's had to contend with in
what proved a losing battle.

How is it that these three "Al Qaeda" leaders succeed where
the Hussein's so easily -and quickly- succumbed? Who else
on this planet defies the all mighty Pentagon/CIA monster led
by the Israelis and continues to breathe air among the living
and roam free?

Really now, let us genuflect upon the differences. The Hussein's
literally tried to hide the very fact that they were alive. For a long
time we were treated to rumors that Saddam might have been
blown up right in the beginning, yet his sons were killed and
Saddam was extracted from a hole in the ground in the middle of
nowhere in less than one third the time in which the Al Qaeda
brothers have been staring on international television.

"Carlos the Jackal" was for decades the most famous and wanted
terrorist in the world. For decades we not only did not know what
he looked like but we did not know his real name. Even today after
Ilich Ramirez Sanchez has been tried in France and sentenced to
life, and had appeals heard in public most people in the FBI and
CIA could not pick him out of a lineup without preparation.

On the other hand, the three amigos of "Al Qaeda" command a
larger platform than Al Jazeera, but remain eternally elusive while
this extraordinary state of being goes largely uncommented upon
by any major figures in the Western "press". You would think that
by now the heads of literally dozens of agencies in branches of the
military and Intelligence would have come off for their failure to find
these "elusive" creatures who seem to hold court at will for an
international audience every week, yet I cannot think of one dismissal
for that reason nor cite one major newspaper or TV network calling
for such action.

The whole thing bears an eerie likeness to George Orwell's "1984"
where the population is daily bombarded with supposed edicts and
threats from the fictionalized Emmanuel Goldstein.

In "1984" the population is all consumed by the unspoken "doublethink"
message that Emmanuel Goldstein was an unconquerable enemy who
the empire nonetheless was daily scoring wins against, not unlike the
seemingly unstoppable "Al Qaeda" who -nonetheless we are told- are
losing their battle against us.

And has any of us ever heard from one of these "senior leaders" in
"Al Qaeda"?

No.

No one ever goes on trial, and indeed we are told that none of them
will ever be put on trial. Secret military tribunals yes, public trials no.

So what and who do we have for confirmation that "Al Qaeda"
actually exists?

Why "CIA confirmations" through the Western media of course! CIA
confirmations which are then unthinkingly circulated through the non-
Western media which causes these poor, desperate Arab and Muslim
groups to believe that such an entity as "Al Qaeda" really exists, and
so they pledge their group (or cell) allegiance to a supposed "underground"
terrorist group and leadership which has an international platform from
which to speak at will, and the Western media always "forget" to mention
the name of the local group and simply tell us they are "members of Al Qaeda".

Amazing.

How much longer until Osama Bin Laden appears on a box of Wheaties?

If Johnny Carson were still with us and hosting the Tonight Show I wouldn't
be surprised to see Osama Bin Laden turn up as a guest host.

"Live from somewhere else on planet Earth, heerrrrrre's Osama!"

If Hollywood concocted such a movie it would be laughed at ("Robocop"
was funny at one time), yet this big lie continues to circulate unquestioned
week after week for at least three and one half years now, during which
time the three amigos of "Al Qaeda" have made more appearances on my
TV than have Jim Carrey, Robin Williams and Adam Sandler.


How much more of this insanity, how many more dead bodies in Iraq,
before we all summon the courage to say loudly and forcefully that the
emperor has no clothes?

How much longer before that treasonous piece of garbage James Kallstrom
is hauled before the TV cameras and an explanation for Building 7 is
demanded of him? When does his trial for treason begin? There
was more than enough evidence to try Kallstrom before 9-11.

Then there is the massive problem of "Homeland Security". This is not to
"protect the American people", it is to protect the rich and treasonous
_from_ the righteous rage of the American people whose jobs and futures
have been exported to the third world.

These are the same people who have propped up a criminal regime in
Columbia for four decades and are actively trying to overthrow Hugo Chavez
in Venezuela, even though President Chavez has been honestly elected to
the Presidency of Venezuela more times -just in the last few years!- than the
entire Bush family over the last sixty years.

These are the people who imported 50 million people into America who we
do not need here. These are the people who deindustrialized our nation.
These are the people who bombed us on 9-11. These are the people who
created the fictional "Al Qaeda". These are the people who created
"Homeland Security" to go to war with us because the scum fully understand
what they have done and realize their "panic rooms" will not save them.
These are the people who read the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence
as subversive documents.

You think everything is OK and the media are not "on the team"?

Then where is Jose Padilla?

They told you that the Supreme Court said his detention was illegal and thus
our freedom preserved, but Jose Padilla is still locked up without charges,
just as he was before they told us this big lie. The Fourth, Fifth and Sixth
Amendments to the Constitution are no longer in effect, not as long as
Jose Padilla remains caged.

And caged is the best that you can hope for in the future unless this thing
is stopped now. They are locking down the nation within even as the
Mexican border remains wide open, so easily penetrable that a huge
dirty bomb could be trucked across that border and delivered to any
American city.

And they claim they are trying to protect us.


- - - - -
"What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of
indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no
intellect. In a Party member, on the other hand, not even the smallest deviation
of opinion on the most unimportant subject can be tolerated." - George Orwell, "1984"





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OmManiPadmeOmelet
 
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In article >,
Awake > wrote:

> I have had more than enough of this big lie. I suppose
> the shit hit the fan with the announced publishing of the
> reputed thoughts of "Al Qaeda", a fictionalized organization
> created by the CIA through their control of Western media.
>


<snipped bullcrap>

Troll.
Moron.
Clueless idiot.

<plonk!!!>

Om -> Not a republican...
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Om.

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Not exactly. The theory is that Al Qaeda does exist, but it is made up of
all those Holocaust "victims" that never really died. And soon it will also
come out that the 911 mastermind was not the work of Al Qaeda terrorists but
Michael Moore to provide the basis for his Fahrenheit 911 mockumentory.

A good topic for discussion at your next Flat Earth Society meeting.




"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Awake > wrote:
>
>> I have had more than enough of this big lie. I suppose
>> the shit hit the fan with the announced publishing of the
>> reputed thoughts of "Al Qaeda", a fictionalized organization
>> created by the CIA through their control of Western media.
>>

>
> <snipped bullcrap>
>
> Troll.
> Moron.
> Clueless idiot.
>
> <plonk!!!>
>
> Om -> Not a republican...
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> Nicholson



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You're an idiot.

Are you suggesting that al-Jazeera is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting
that the President of Pakistan is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting the
entire world is a CIA spokeshole?

Bin Laden has been on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List since around 1996. He has
been known for years before 9/11. Today, he is hiding out either in Pakistan
or Iran, either of which has hundreds of very poor villages where he can
hide and use his millions of dollars to buy the villager's silence.


<snip rest>


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Unless Osama drives a BMW, I don't see the relevance.

"Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
...
> You're an idiot.
>
> Are you suggesting that al-Jazeera is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting
> that the President of Pakistan is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting the
> entire world is a CIA spokeshole?
>
> Bin Laden has been on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List since around 1996. He
> has
> been known for years before 9/11. Today, he is hiding out either in
> Pakistan
> or Iran, either of which has hundreds of very poor villages where he can
> hide and use his millions of dollars to buy the villager's silence.
>
>
> <snip rest>
>
>





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> You're an idiot.
>
> Are you suggesting that al-Jazeera is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting
> that the President of Pakistan is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting the
> entire world is a CIA spokeshole?
>
> Bin Laden has been on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List since around 1996. He

has
> been known for years before 9/11. Today, he is hiding out either in

Pakistan
> or Iran, either of which has hundreds of very poor villages where he can
> hide and use his millions of dollars to buy the villager's silence.


I think all this "Al Qaeda doesn't exist" nonsense comes from the inability
to understand what Al Qaeda is. Bin Laden is very real, but he is not the
Dr. Evil of a global terrorist organisation, like the CIA and Bush
administration would have you think.

Bin Laden's supposed "organisation" does not have sophisticated underground
bases or laboratories, like the CIA and Bush administration used to claim,
as they painted a picture of a Bond-type villain for the public to fear.

To say that Al Qaeda doesn't exist, is a little bit like saying stupidity
doesn't exist. It does, and anybody can sign up. Al Qaeda is more a belief
than a coherent organisation. They don't have a front office or a head
quarter on the moon, and Bin Laden have absolutely no control over what
supposed Al Qaeda cells in Germany, Spain, Iran, Syria, or anywhere else are
doing. Zarqawi recently became Al Qaeda's top man in Iraq, simply by
declaring his allegiance to the cause. He has not coordinated with Bin
Laden, nor has he endured the humiliating Al Qaeda hazing/initiation rituals
most candidates have to go through to become a member :-)

Like I said, Al Qaeda is as real as stupidity is, but stupidity, as
personified by President Bunny-pants himself, might be a bigger cause for
concern.


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"tech27" > wrote in message
o.verio.net...
> Not exactly. The theory is that Al Qaeda does exist, but it is made up of
> all those Holocaust "victims" that never really died.



Wouldn't the youngest holocaust victims that never really died be
approaching 70 years of age by now?

Maybe it's just me, but I am not sure how much damage a person can do that
can barely get out of bed in the morning.






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Jeff Mayner
 
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Awake > wrote:
>
>> I have had more than enough of this big lie. I suppose
>> the shit hit the fan with the announced publishing of the
>> reputed thoughts of "Al Qaeda", a fictionalized organization
>> created by the CIA through their control of Western media.
>>

>
> <snipped bullcrap>
>
> Troll.
> Moron.
> Clueless idiot.
>
> <plonk!!!>
>
> Om -> Not a republican...


What the hell does party affiliation, or lack thereof, have to do with
anything?

Geeze...

Jeff


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txchou
 
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....what does it have to do with tennis more importantly.

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Harry
 
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**** off you non-entity.
You have just GOT to be French.



"Greg Murphy" > wrote in message
...
> You are probably correct. The US government controls the media, which
> means
> it control the mindless population of the USA. Meaning, you can create
> anything you want to justify anything you want to do. Look at who is in
> power. George Bush, clearly the most ignorant, uneducated, red neck ever
> to
> wonder into power. This guy was elected by a somewhat dumber population.
> Now, given the control of media by the Government, these lemmings can be
> fed
> anything. And apparently they have been, now look at the mess they are
> in.
> The country is bankrupt, the government is corrupt, and the illegal
> invasion
> is still going on.
>
> Just thank God you weren't born american.
>
> "Erich" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > You're an idiot.
>> >
>> > Are you suggesting that al-Jazeera is a CIA spokeshole? Are you

> suggesting
>> > that the President of Pakistan is a CIA spokeshole? Are you suggesting

> the
>> > entire world is a CIA spokeshole?
>> >
>> > Bin Laden has been on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List since around 1996. He

>> has
>> > been known for years before 9/11. Today, he is hiding out either in

>> Pakistan
>> > or Iran, either of which has hundreds of very poor villages where he
>> > can
>> > hide and use his millions of dollars to buy the villager's silence.

>>
>> I think all this "Al Qaeda doesn't exist" nonsense comes from the

> inability
>> to understand what Al Qaeda is. Bin Laden is very real, but he is not the
>> Dr. Evil of a global terrorist organisation, like the CIA and Bush
>> administration would have you think.
>>
>> Bin Laden's supposed "organisation" does not have sophisticated

> underground
>> bases or laboratories, like the CIA and Bush administration used to
>> claim,
>> as they painted a picture of a Bond-type villain for the public to fear.
>>
>> To say that Al Qaeda doesn't exist, is a little bit like saying stupidity
>> doesn't exist. It does, and anybody can sign up. Al Qaeda is more a
>> belief
>> than a coherent organisation. They don't have a front office or a head
>> quarter on the moon, and Bin Laden have absolutely no control over what
>> supposed Al Qaeda cells in Germany, Spain, Iran, Syria, or anywhere else

> are
>> doing. Zarqawi recently became Al Qaeda's top man in Iraq, simply by
>> declaring his allegiance to the cause. He has not coordinated with Bin
>> Laden, nor has he endured the humiliating Al Qaeda hazing/initiation

> rituals
>> most candidates have to go through to become a member :-)
>>
>> Like I said, Al Qaeda is as real as stupidity is, but stupidity, as
>> personified by President Bunny-pants himself, might be a bigger cause for
>> concern.
>>
>>

>
>
>




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The OP might be a troll but it is an interesting topic nevertheless.

Actually there were a couple of programmes on UK TV the other week that put
forward this contention that 'Al Quaeda' is not all-encompassing
organisation and that the way it has been built up and used by governments
to pass laws limiting civil liberties is quite Orwellian.

There are groups of terrorists (obviously) but they act independently or, at
least, autonomously. The US and other governments handed certain terrorist
leaders a golden opportunity and now quite a few people claim to act on
behalf of this ubiquitous Al Quaeda.

Frankly, however much I am acutely aware of terrorism and its dangers I have
always had my doubts about this 'organisation'. The US and then the British
forces found absolutely nothing in Tora Bora (or wherever it was they were
looking in Afghanistan) and there was no evidence of some network of caves
in the Afghan hills.

In my opinion it would, in any case, have taken years of construction to
build such a thing, with great effort, since it was in the middle of
nowhere. Use of explosives would probably have been detected. Otherwise,
digging by hand would have taken even longer and perhaps large groups of
people and that would have been detected also.

Etc etc.

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tech27" > wrote in message
> o.verio.net...
>> Not exactly. The theory is that Al Qaeda does exist, but it is made up of
>> all those Holocaust "victims" that never really died.

>
>
> Wouldn't the youngest holocaust victims that never really died be
> approaching 70 years of age by now?
>
> Maybe it's just me, but I am not sure how much damage a person can do that
> can barely get out of bed in the morning.
>
>
>
>
>
>



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> In my opinion it would, in any case, have taken years of construction to
> build such a thing, with great effort, since it was in the middle of
> nowhere. Use of explosives would probably have been detected. Otherwise,
> digging by hand would have taken even longer and perhaps large groups of
> people and that would have been detected also.


Have you seen that hilarious clip of Rumsfeld on "Meet The Press" where he,
with the help of illustrations that seemed to be the blueprints for
something out of a Bond movie, described these underground caves, fortresses
even, with offices, bedrooms, hydro-electro power, air ventilation systems,
entrances large enough to drive in trucks and tanks, etc, etc. It was just
nuts.


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Dori A Schmetterling
 
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IIRC they showed a bit of that.

DAS

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"Erich" > wrote in message
...
[...]>
> Have you seen that hilarious clip of Rumsfeld on "Meet The Press" where
> he,
> with the help of illustrations that seemed to be the blueprints for
> something out of a Bond movie, described these underground caves,
> fortresses
> even, with offices, bedrooms, hydro-electro power, air ventilation
> systems,
> entrances large enough to drive in trucks and tanks, etc, etc. It was just
> nuts.
>
>



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Quoth "Dori A Schmetterling" > in news:4218c635$0
:

> Actually there were a couple of programmes on UK TV the other
> week that put forward this contention that 'Al Quaeda' is not
> all-encompassing organisation and that the way it has been built
> up and used by governments to pass laws limiting civil liberties
> is quite Orwellian.


"The Power of Nightmares" -- a BBC2 three-parter documenting the
parallel rise of two similarly-driven terrorist movements: the
Straussian NeoCons and the Wahabi Jihadists.

Part 1 "Baby, It's Cold Outside"
<http://indypeer.org/show_file_page.php?file_id=363>
Part 2 "The Phantom Victory"
<http://indypeer.org/show_file_page.php?file_id=362>
Part 3 "The Shadows in the Cave"
<http://indypeer.org/show_file_page.php?file_id=361>

It's a very insightful series, and the thesis as presented does
explain a lot about how these two terrorist movements have been
packaged for US and UK consumption.

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disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
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'Al Qaeda' is Al CIA-Duh. A lot of people are waking up to that fact.

Name the place where Al Qaeda has struck that wasn't of immediate benefit
to Bush and the neo-cons who have taken over the US? 9/11 of course. The
Madrid bombings. The bombings in Turkey when Bush was in the UK. (btw, the
Madrid bombings produced the wrong outcome for the Bush administration: the
Socialists won. That enabled the Bush team to spin the tale that the
Socialists were behind the bombings.)

Scott
http://www.911Hoax.com


"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> The OP might be a troll but it is an interesting topic nevertheless.
>
> Actually there were a couple of programmes on UK TV the other week that

put
> forward this contention that 'Al Quaeda' is not all-encompassing
> organisation and that the way it has been built up and used by governments
> to pass laws limiting civil liberties is quite Orwellian.
>
> There are groups of terrorists (obviously) but they act independently or,

at
> least, autonomously. The US and other governments handed certain

terrorist
> leaders a golden opportunity and now quite a few people claim to act on
> behalf of this ubiquitous Al Quaeda.
>
> Frankly, however much I am acutely aware of terrorism and its dangers I

have
> always had my doubts about this 'organisation'. The US and then the

British
> forces found absolutely nothing in Tora Bora (or wherever it was they were
> looking in Afghanistan) and there was no evidence of some network of caves
> in the Afghan hills.
>
> In my opinion it would, in any case, have taken years of construction to
> build such a thing, with great effort, since it was in the middle of
> nowhere. Use of explosives would probably have been detected. Otherwise,
> digging by hand would have taken even longer and perhaps large groups of
> people and that would have been detected also.
>
> Etc etc.
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
>
> "Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "tech27" > wrote in message
> > o.verio.net...
> >> Not exactly. The theory is that Al Qaeda does exist, but it is made up

of
> >> all those Holocaust "victims" that never really died.

> >
> >
> > Wouldn't the youngest holocaust victims that never really died be
> > approaching 70 years of age by now?
> >
> > Maybe it's just me, but I am not sure how much damage a person can do

that
> > can barely get out of bed in the morning.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>





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I think the terms al-Qaida and asshole are completely interchangeable.

Well no, that isn't true, all al Qaida are assholes, but all assholes are
not al Qaida. I think there is an aversion to calling people assholes in the
media, so they call them al Qaida instead.




"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> The OP might be a troll but it is an interesting topic nevertheless.
>
> Actually there were a couple of programmes on UK TV the other week that

put
> forward this contention that 'Al Quaeda' is not all-encompassing
> organisation and that the way it has been built up and used by governments
> to pass laws limiting civil liberties is quite Orwellian.
>
> There are groups of terrorists (obviously) but they act independently or,

at
> least, autonomously. The US and other governments handed certain

terrorist
> leaders a golden opportunity and now quite a few people claim to act on
> behalf of this ubiquitous Al Quaeda.
>
> Frankly, however much I am acutely aware of terrorism and its dangers I

have
> always had my doubts about this 'organisation'. The US and then the

British
> forces found absolutely nothing in Tora Bora (or wherever it was they were
> looking in Afghanistan) and there was no evidence of some network of caves
> in the Afghan hills.
>
> In my opinion it would, in any case, have taken years of construction to
> build such a thing, with great effort, since it was in the middle of
> nowhere. Use of explosives would probably have been detected. Otherwise,
> digging by hand would have taken even longer and perhaps large groups of
> people and that would have been detected also.
>
> Etc etc.
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
>
> "Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "tech27" > wrote in message
> > o.verio.net...
> >> Not exactly. The theory is that Al Qaeda does exist, but it is made up

of
> >> all those Holocaust "victims" that never really died.

> >
> >
> > Wouldn't the youngest holocaust victims that never really died be
> > approaching 70 years of age by now?
> >
> > Maybe it's just me, but I am not sure how much damage a person can do

that
> > can barely get out of bed in the morning.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>



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"Erich" > wrote in message
...
> > In my opinion it would, in any case, have taken years of construction to
> > build such a thing, with great effort, since it was in the middle of
> > nowhere. Use of explosives would probably have been detected.

Otherwise,
> > digging by hand would have taken even longer and perhaps large groups of
> > people and that would have been detected also.

>
> Have you seen that hilarious clip of Rumsfeld on "Meet The Press" where

he,
> with the help of illustrations that seemed to be the blueprints for
> something out of a Bond movie, described these underground caves,

fortresses
> even, with offices, bedrooms, hydro-electro power, air ventilation

systems,
> entrances large enough to drive in trucks and tanks, etc, etc. It was just
> nuts.
>
>


Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.

We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground, what
makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It is
absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.





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> Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.
>
> We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground, what
> makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

is
> absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.


If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed underground
fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.


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"Erich" > wrote in message
...
> > Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.
> >
> > We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground,

what
> > makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

> is
> > absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.

>
> If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed

underground
> fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.
>
>


I think I did see them. I saw something about the caves when we first went
into Afghanistan. I think the discussion was theoretical though, not an
acutal description of what they thought they would find. What they thought
they might find.

Theoretically there is no reason to think that somebody might dig out the
inside of a mountain. We did, and there are certainly other examples of
where others have done it.


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"Greg Murphy" > wrote in message
...
> You are probably correct. The US government controls the media, which

means
> it control the mindless population of the USA. Meaning, you can create
> anything you want to justify anything you want to do. Look at who is in
> power. George Bush, clearly the most ignorant, uneducated, red neck ever

to
> wonder into power. This guy was elected by a somewhat dumber population.
> Now, given the control of media by the Government, these lemmings can be

fed
> anything. And apparently they have been, now look at the mess they are

in.
> The country is bankrupt, the government is corrupt, and the illegal

invasion
> is still going on.
>
> Just thank God you weren't born american.
>


Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.

ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX

At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
controlled by the government. Pick one.

That's hilarious.











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Awake wrote:
[crap]


Please do not post this OT crap on a cooking newsgroup.



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Erich wrote:

>>Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.
>>
>>We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground, what
>>makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

>
> is
>
>>absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.

>
>
> If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed underground
> fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.


http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2004/osm01.shtml

--
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"Baldin Pramer" > wrote in message
...
> Erich wrote:
>
> >>Relatively easy to do if keeping them secret was not an objective.
> >>
> >>We have our entire missile defense infrastructure housed underground,

what
> >>makes you think that only Americans know how to dig a tunnel complex? It

> >
> > is
> >
> >>absurd to suggest that hiding stuff in tunnels and caves is nuts.

> >
> >
> > If you had seen the clip and the illustrations of these supposed

underground
> > fortresses, you would know how absurd it was.

>
> http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2004/osm01.shtml
>
> --
> Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.


HA! That's the one. Excellent find, my friend. :-)


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"Awake" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> >
> >Government control of the media. Let's explore that for a moment.
> >
> >ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. FOX
> >
> >At least one of these dances to a different drummer, and therefore is not
> >controlled by the government. Pick one.

>
>
> They are all the same.
>
> FOX simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
> more assholes. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
> like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
> that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
> carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.
>
> ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC repeat the big lie,
> FOX shouts it.



They can't all be the same and be "controlled by government" because the
content and editorial views are significnatly different. Plus, I didn't even
begin to look at print media, which is equally charged as being the
mouthpiece of the government.



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"Awake" > wrote in message >>> FOX
simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
>>> more assholes. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
>>> like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
>>> that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
>>> carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.


Yeah, those jets and the people who died on them were, what, special
effects? Idiot.
> Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
> Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
> and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
> more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
> a missile strike TWA 800.


Yeah, that's how they would do it. Get someone fired for talking about
something they want kept quiet. That should make her forget about it. No ill
will there. Why not just kill her. >

> The book is widely available in libraries in America.
> It is widely available because they understand that
> Americans do not read such books and all avenues
> for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
> off.


Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?
> -=-
> This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.


Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
from.



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"tech27" > wrote in message
o.verio.net...
>
> "Awake" > wrote in message >>> FOX
> simply turns up the rightist rhetoric a notch drawing in
>>>> more assholes. Strip away the loudness and FOX is exactly
>>>> like CNN, attacking anyone who points out the truth of 9-11,
>>>> that it was an inside job from start to finish accomplished with
>>>> carefully planned and placed demolitions rather than jet planes.

>
> Yeah, those jets and the people who died on them were, what, special
> effects? Idiot.
>> Read "Into the Buzzsaw" edited by former "60 Minutes" producer
>> Kristina Borjesson. James Kallstrom of the FBI visited CBS
>> and ordered her firing for trying to present the viewpoint of the
>> more than _600_ eyewitnesses on Long Island who all saw
>> a missile strike TWA 800.

>
> Yeah, that's how they would do it. Get someone fired for talking about
> something they want kept quiet. That should make her forget about it. No
> ill will there. Why not just kill her. >
>
>> The book is widely available in libraries in America.
>> It is widely available because they understand that
>> Americans do not read such books and all avenues
>> for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
>> off.

>
> Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
> of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?
>> -=-
>> This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.

>
> Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
> from.


Shit! You beat me to it!

I bet this guy thinks that Taco Bell is the name of Mexico's phone company
too.



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"tech27" > wrote in message
o.verio.net...

> Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
> from.


Hey tech,....you've got to stop feeding the animals :^)


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Awake wrote:
>
> No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.
>
> The planes did not touch Building Seven.
>
> Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
> and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
> building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
> before it came down.
>
> Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
> torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
> do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?



I thought it was common knowledge that building 7 was demolished, it
was admitted to.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html

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"Awake" > wrote in message
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>
> No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.


Are you saying that "THEY" crashed the planes AND planted explosives to
bring down the towers?
>
> The planes did not touch Building Seven.
>
> Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
> and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
> building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
> before it came down.


I don't know about Building Seven. Tell me please.

>
> Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
> torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
> do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?


Did you notice that they didn't crash a plane into it?
>
> You never heard of Kristina Borjesson until now, so obviously that is not
> a problem.


Good conspiracy logic.
>
> Dead bodies can cause concern, especially when the
> "news" media are discovered not reporting them.
>
> Killing people is the last resort of a dictatorship in trouble.
>
>>> The book is widely available in libraries in America.
>>> It is widely available because they understand that
>>> Americans do not read such books and all avenues
>>> for discussing this and any book like it on TV are closed
>>> off.

>>
>>Yeah, they can pull of 911 and get a reporter fired, but can't keep a book
>>of the shelves. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

>
>
> It works so much better when the book is available but they manage
> to keep people from reading it anyway. This way they can claim that
> "free speech" exists.


How do they do this? Is it always "out on loan"?
>







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"Bradburn Fentress" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tech27" > wrote in message
> o.verio.net...
>
>> Because the poster is being sought by the mental institution he escaped
>> from.

>
> Hey tech,....you've got to stop feeding the animals :^)
>


Yeah, I know. It only happened because I was paying tribute to Hunter S.
Thompson. I drank a quart of tequila, did some mescaline, heroin, and
adrenochrome, then got on the ng. I was so wasted I could only respond to
simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'



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Noam Chomsky has very specific views (some of which I strongly disagree
with) but here I find myself in some agreement. However, he does insult
Churchill, perhaps unintentionally because he has a little understanding of
wartime Britain.

DAS

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---

"Awake" > wrote in message
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[...]
>
> - - -
> "The operative concept of democracy is revealed very clearly in other
> ways as well. Perhaps the most extraordinary was the distinction
> between Old and New Europe in the run-up to the Iraq war. The criterion
> for membership was so clear that it took real discipline to miss it. Old
> Europe -the bad guys- were the governments that took the same stand
> as the large majority of the population. New Europe -the exciting hope for
> a democratic future- were the Churchillian leaders like Berlusconi and
> Aznar who disregarded even larger majorities of the population and
> submissively took their orders from Crawford, Texas. The most dramatic
> case was Turkey, where, to everyone's surprise, the government actually
> followed the will of 95 percent of the population. The official
> administration
> moderate, Colin Powell, immediately announced harsh punishment for this
> crime. Turkey was bitterly condemned in the national press for lacking
> 'democratic credentials'. The most extreme example was Paul Wolfowitz,
> who berated the Turkish military for not compelling the government to
> follow
> Washington's orders and demanded that they apologize and publicly
> recognize
> that the goal of a properly functioning democracy is to help the U.S."
> - Noam Chomsky, Z-Magazine, Feb 2005
>
>
>
> -=-
> This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.
>
>
>
>



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Let me get this straight.

You are suggesting that the planes crashing into the twin towers and the
plane crashing into the Pentagon, and the plane crashing into a Pennsylvania
(I think that's where it was) field were not 'real' events? All a put-up
job by 'insiders'?

If so, I must say you make some good ones and some not so good ones...

DAS

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"Awake" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, "tech27" > wrote:

[..]
>
> No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.
>
> The planes did not touch Building Seven.
>
> Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
> and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
> building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
> before it came down.
>
> Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
> torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
> do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?


[...]


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Points, that is.

DAS

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"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> Let me get this straight.
>
> You are suggesting that the planes crashing into the twin towers and the
> plane crashing into the Pentagon, and the plane crashing into a
> Pennsylvania (I think that's where it was) field were not 'real' events?
> All a put-up job by 'insiders'?
>
> If so, I must say you make some good ones and some not so good ones...
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
>
> "Awake" > wrote in message
> news:SW0A94D238414.3001851852@anonymous...
>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, "tech27" > wrote:

> [..]
>>
>> No one but you suggested that the planes were not real.
>>
>> The planes did not touch Building Seven.
>>
>> Since you are so intelligent, explain what Building Seven was
>> and how exactly it came to collapse pancake style, just as a
>> building brought down by demolitions does, just as the two towers
>> before it came down.
>>
>> Did you notice the same type of structure which the Spanish
>> torched a week ago to show the world that such buildings
>> do not collapse in 9-11 fashion due to fire?

>
> [...]
>
>



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tech27 wrote:
I was so wasted I could only respond to
> simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'
>
>
>



I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...



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> I was so wasted I could only respond to
> > simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'
> >
> >
> >

>
>
> I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...


Which coincidentally is the same percentage as your "contributions" to the
group.


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"Erich" > wrote in message
...
>> I was so wasted I could only respond to
>> > simple posts that required little or no brain activity to address. (-'
>> >
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>> I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...

>
> Which coincidentally is the same percentage as your "contributions" to the
> group.


Are you being sarcastic? Sorry if I've misunderstood, but besides goofing
around I have posted LOTS of informative responses. The only difference with
me is that I only post advice when I know what I'm talking about. I also
post corrections to ill informed advice.
When there is nothing asked about which I can offer intelligent advice I
stay out of it.




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> >> I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...
> >
> > Which coincidentally is the same percentage as your "contributions" to

the
> > group.

>
> Are you being sarcastic? Sorry if I've misunderstood, but besides goofing
> around I have posted LOTS of informative responses. The only difference

with
> me is that I only post advice when I know what I'm talking about. I also
> post corrections to ill informed advice.
> When there is nothing asked about which I can offer intelligent advice I
> stay out of it.


No, I was referring to Whisper. Go easy on the Tequila. :-)


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"Erich" > wrote in message
...
>> >> I know how you feel. That describes 95% of all rst posts...
>> >
>> > Which coincidentally is the same percentage as your "contributions" to

> the
>> > group.

>>
>> Are you being sarcastic? Sorry if I've misunderstood, but besides goofing
>> around I have posted LOTS of informative responses. The only difference

> with
>> me is that I only post advice when I know what I'm talking about. I also
>> post corrections to ill informed advice.
>> When there is nothing asked about which I can offer intelligent advice I
>> stay out of it.

>
> No, I was referring to Whisper. Go easy on the Tequila. :-)
>

Sorry. Switching to Lite Beer.
>




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