On 1/3/2012 1:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
> She says..."to try low carbing" and see if your BG will come down when
> people are having high BG...everyone has a different idea of what low
> carb is, so if someone is eating 200gm of carb, and they cut down to
> 100gm for instance, they usually will find that it helps a great deal
> with control. Of course there are those that don't want to deprive
> themselves of anything, so they continue on a high carb path...and then
> wonder why they develop a number of other things, while posting the high
> carb snacks, meals etc. that they're eating. Then...yes, patience wears
> thin, and people will point out the folly of it.
>
> Cheri

succinct (consise) and to the point

the high/low carb 'wars' are a pet peeve of mine...... when you ask
'exactly how many carbs do you eat' we find some of the higher carb
advocates eat 'low carb' and some of the low carb advocates eat more
carbs than the 'eat more carb' contingency does

i wish folks would STATE how many carb grams works for THEM and for
which meals of the day......... then, there is the issue of an 18 yr old
type 1 male who is an athlete and their carb consuption as compared to a
post-menopausal women with thyroid issues and other health 'benefits'
and how many carbs she can eat

look folks, WE DON'T NEED THE SAME AMOUNT OF FOOD! we are all different

(oops, sorry about the caps, that's for emphasis and i can't find the
underliney thing)

kate

On 1/3/2012 1:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I do not think 100g is low carb.

tell that to the dieticians who say that IS low carb

back to my other comment

TELL ME HOW MANY Grams of Carbs you eat at each meal

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:16:54 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>> bite or two of starch.
>
>Sounds like surgery was a great success, congratulations Evelyn. How is
>the weight loss progressing?
>
>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>
>Seems like a fair take on the situation to me. Happy New Year to you
>too.


I have lost a few sizes, but not a hundred pounds like some have done!

I feel so much better I cannot begin to describe it. You cannot
imagine the improvement.

I am only on ONE pill for the diabetes now.... a Januvia, which is
well tolerated.

NO MORE INSULIN and two sizes smaller is a real good thing!

Evelyn

On 1/3/2012 1:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> and that is what is so sad........ food isn't disgusting and those
>> > behaviours aren't normal
>> >
>> > would a counselor help? i bet Angela would benefit too
> WHATTTTTTT? OMFG! That is extremely insulting! Extremely! Just because I
> grew up in a different manner than you did doesn't mean that it is
> necessarily wrong. Some food is disgusting to*me*. It certainly is and
> you can't tell me otherwise. There are such things as picky eaters. I know
> a whole lot of them.
>
> Angela and I eat a balanced diet given our food allergies. I don't*have*
> to like everything you like. And just because*I* don't like something
> doesn't make it "sad".

LOL

and that is my whole point, Julie, thank you for making such a great summary

it IS "SAD" that you have so many aversions to "disgusting food" and the
manner in which you were raised (did you not say you were forced to eat
oatmeal with you mother gagging and saying 'how can you eat that?' and
much more?)

do you NOT think that upbringing has affected you? (you have
specifically stated it HAS and that is WHY you are the way you ARE today)

it's ok

as the story spins

i'm outta here

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:08:35 -0700, Tiger Lily > wrote:

>On 1/3/2012 5:15 AM, Evelyn wrote:
>> Hi Wendy,
>>
>> I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>> one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>> constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>> personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>>
>> Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>> someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>> fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>> did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>> "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>> (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>> happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>> bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>>
>> As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>> meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>> the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>> merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>> planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>> individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>> an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>>
>> I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>> she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>> involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>> my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>> got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>> mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>> that way.
>>
>> I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
>> which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
>> explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
>> different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
>> provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
>> palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>> mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>>
>> What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>> that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>> factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>> than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>> remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>> department, so I have no room to talk.
>>
>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>> bite or two of starch.
>>
>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>
>eloquent summary Evelyn
>
>but more importantly, sounds like you are doing very well! congratulations!
>
>Would you still do it over again? (the surgery, or?)
>
>wishing you all the best for 2012
>
>kate


I would ABSOLUTELY do it all over again... no doubt about that!!!!!

I have saved my life!

Evelyn

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:00:18 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ozgirl > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>>>: ...
>>>: > Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>: >
>>>: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>>>: > : ...
>>>: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>: > : >> In >, "Julie
>>>: > : >> >
>>>: > : >> wrote:
>>>: > : >>
>>>: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>: > : >>> ...
>>>: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>>>: > that I
>>>: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>: > : >>>
>>>: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>>>: > have it
>>>: > : >>> than
>>>: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>: > : >>
>>>: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>>: > ungrateful
>>>: > : >> she is
>>>: > : >> for any help
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>>>: > with her
>>>: > : > "i already know it all" approach
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > i give up
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > i've tried
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
>>>: > have
>>>: > : > already today)
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>>>: > Julie,
>>>: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>>: >
>>>: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>>: >
>>>: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>>>: > put a link
>>>: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>>>: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
>>>: > by a
>>>: > : gastroenterologist.
>>>: >
>>>: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>>>: > that but
>>>: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>>: >
>>>: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>>: >
>>>: > : Apparently I am missing something.
>>>: >
>>>: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>>: >
>>>: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>>>: > SOME
>>>: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>>>: > failure!!!!
>>>: >
>>>: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
>>>: > put
>>>: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
>>>: > it
>>>: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>>: >
>>>: > Wendy
>>>
>>>: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
>>>: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
>>>: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>>>: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>>>: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>>>
>>>It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I didn't
>>>even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>>>it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>>>
>>>I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning if
>>>she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust at
>>>things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense if
>>>she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>>>about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>>>button.
>>>
>>>Wendy
>>
>>
>> Hi Wendy,
>>
>> I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>> one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>> constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>> personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>>
>> Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>> someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>> fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>> did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>> "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>> (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>> happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>> bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>>
>> As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>> meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>> the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>> merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>> planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>> individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>> an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>>
>> I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>> she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>> involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>> my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>> got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>> mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>> that way.
>>
>> I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
>> which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
>> explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
>> different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
>> provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
>> palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>> mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>>
>> What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>> that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>> factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>> than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>> remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>> department, so I have no room to talk.
>>
>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>> bite or two of starch.
>>
>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>I grew up in a house where many foods were disgusting. Both of my parents
>referred to foods as exactly that. And they still do. I was once told that
>the food I brought in from a taco place smelled like garbage. And my mom
>used to insist that we eat oatmeal for breakfast then stand over us making
>faces and gagging noises and asking us how we could eat it? Is it any
>wonder that I never learned to like the stuff?
>
>My maternal grandmother and her husband expressed similar disgusts for many
>foods and were very vocal about it. They refused to eat anything that they
>considered to be foreign and my step-grandpa would not touch a leftover or
>eat outdoors.
>
>So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.


Julie dear, I can see that. I hope that you find the courage and the
nerve to experiment more and to expand your palate. If you view it
as a challenge and an adventure, it will be fun. I doubt you will
take my advice, but I hope you do. You are a good person and you
have not had a good experience in learning to cook or to eat. I hope
you continue to try new things!

Evelyn

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:10:29 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
wrote:

>Evelyn > wrote:
>: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
>: wrote:
>
>: >: >
>: >: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>: >: > put a link
>: >: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>: >: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
>: >: > by a
>: >: > : gastroenterologist.
>: >: >
>: >: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>: >: > that but
>: >: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>: >: >
>: >: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>: >: >
>: >: > : Apparently I am missing something.
>: >: >
>: >: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>: >: >
>: >: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>: >: > SOME
>: >: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>: >: > failure!!!!
>: >: >
>: >: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
>: >: > put
>: >: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
>: >: > it
>: >: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>: >: >
>: >: > Wendy
>: >
>: >: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
>: >: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
>: >: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>: >: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>: >: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>: >
>: >It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I didn't
>: >even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>: >it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>: >
>: >I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning if
>: >she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust at
>: >things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense if
>: >she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>: >about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>: >button.
>: >
>: >Wendy
>
>
>: Hi Wendy,
>
>: I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>: one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>: constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>: personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>
>: Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>: someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>: fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>: did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>: "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>: (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>: happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>: bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>
>: As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>: meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>: the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>: merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>: planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>: individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>: an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>
>
>this is possibly true. I often find julies posts off-putting, but just
>don't reply. something just hit me this time adn I kind of exploded.
>
>Could be this whole New Year's time which has had me kidn of weird without
>Syd, but I have no right to impose that on other people. I am a grown-up
>and shouldn't dump and rant on a newsgroup.
>
> : I attribute her many
>"disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>: she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>: involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>: my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>: got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>: mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>: that way.
>:
> My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>: mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>
>: What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>: that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>: factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>: than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>: remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>: department, so I have no room to talk.
>
>: For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>: surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>: I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>: first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>: bite or two of starch.
>
>: I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>: wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>
>: Evelyn
>
>Glad to ear you are doing so well. Keep it up and keep letting us know of
>your progress as we all care about you.
>
>By the way, how is your shoulder doing these days? Mine is canky, I
>believe, becuse of the walker putting sress on it.
>
>Wendy


Wendy I send you hugs. My shoulder will forever be a problem I am
sure. When it acts up I use the pulley to stretch it, like the
physical therapist taught me. But I do it gently. It is not an easy
injury to heal from..... and you already know that! Happy New Year!

Evelyn

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:06:32 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >, "Julie Bove" >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>> > She's filtered (not KF'ed), I couldn't stand that incessant whining, when
>> > there are others in the group that have life situations worse than she,
>> > and
>> > still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the mind
>> > and the mood of the group :-) and also earns renewed respect.
>>
>> Well I know this is the food newsgroup and I do post about food here. But
>> on ASD it is a support group and I do think people should be allowed to vent
>> there.
>>
>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad it
>> is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I haven't
>> found the solution yet.
>
>and once again you demonstrate just how ungrateful you are and how little you
>understand what others are trying to tell you


Yes, but you have to understand that she cannot see that. She
perceives it as an attack, not as help. So therefore it is actually
not help, even if you intend it that way.

Advice must be given in terms that the other person is capable of
digesting and utilizing. You are perceptive and have half the thing
right. The other half is how to express it in a way she can use!

Happy New Year!

Evelyn

On 1/3/2012 2:41 PM, Evelyn wrote:
> I have lost a few sizes, but not a hundred pounds like some have done!
>
> I feel so much better I cannot begin to describe it. You cannot
> imagine the improvement.
>
> I am only on ONE pill for the diabetes now.... a Januvia, which is
> well tolerated.
>
> NO MORE INSULIN and two sizes smaller is a real good thing!
>
> Evelyn

well done Evelyn!!!!

i've regained 10 lbs again

i'm going to have to lose 160 lbs to get down 90 lbs! LOL

kate (i quit smoking again last April, that's my excuse) LOL

On 1/3/2012 2:46 PM, Susan wrote:
> Actually, I say to reduce carbs and test the results to see which foods
> and meals cause spikes.
>
> Everyone has a different definition of low carb and everyone has their
> own personal bg targets in mind, too.
>
> Susan

ty

see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb

????

but Julie won't define low carb HER WAY

On 1/3/2012 2:43 PM, Evelyn wrote:
> It's too damned cold to walk around here, Sue. I bought a treadmill
> at a yard sale for $200 bucks. I cannot begin to tell you how
> crushingly boring it is. But I am moving around a lot more in my
> life in general, which is a very good thing.
>
> Evelyn

lol

place in front of TV

insert GOOD movie into DVD player

at least you don't have an expensive clothes hanger (yet)

i agree on the crushingly boring........ any malls nearby?

or a Wii system?

kate

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:16:54 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays,
>>> but
>>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>>> bite or two of starch.
>>
>>Sounds like surgery was a great success, congratulations Evelyn. How
>>is
>>the weight loss progressing?
>>
>>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>
>>Seems like a fair take on the situation to me. Happy New Year to you
>>too.
>
>
> I have lost a few sizes, but not a hundred pounds like some have done!
>
> I feel so much better I cannot begin to describe it. You cannot
> imagine the improvement.
>
> I am only on ONE pill for the diabetes now.... a Januvia, which is
> well tolerated.
>
> NO MORE INSULIN and two sizes smaller is a real good thing!

Certainly is and perhaps your weight loss will be slower than some other
people experience, which is a lot healthier anyway.

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:42:49 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:16:54 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>>>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays,
>>>> but
>>>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>>>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>>>> bite or two of starch.
>>>
>>>Sounds like surgery was a great success, congratulations Evelyn. How
>>>is
>>>the weight loss progressing?
>>>
>>>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>>>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>>
>>>Seems like a fair take on the situation to me. Happy New Year to you
>>>too.
>>
>>
>> I have lost a few sizes, but not a hundred pounds like some have done!
>>
>> I feel so much better I cannot begin to describe it. You cannot
>> imagine the improvement.
>>
>> I am only on ONE pill for the diabetes now.... a Januvia, which is
>> well tolerated.
>>
>> NO MORE INSULIN and two sizes smaller is a real good thing!
>
>Certainly is and perhaps your weight loss will be slower than some other
>people experience, which is a lot healthier anyway.


That's how I look at it. Some people lose a huge amount of weight
very quickly, but they mess up their "setpoint" and if they eat a
morsel the weight comes back with a vengeance.

I eat everything I want, but in very small portions.

Evelyn

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:49:41 -0700, Tiger Lily > wrote:

>On 1/3/2012 2:43 PM, Evelyn wrote:
>> It's too damned cold to walk around here, Sue. I bought a treadmill
>> at a yard sale for $200 bucks. I cannot begin to tell you how
>> crushingly boring it is. But I am moving around a lot more in my
>> life in general, which is a very good thing.
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>lol
>
>place in front of TV
>
>insert GOOD movie into DVD player
>
>at least you don't have an expensive clothes hanger (yet)
>
>i agree on the crushingly boring........ any malls nearby?
>
>or a Wii system?
>
>kate

I walked in the local mall a couple of times. I found it to be too
small to really cover enough ground to suit me. I do walk whenever
possible when shopping.

Evelyn

"Susan" > wrote in message
...

> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>
> Susan

Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>
>> Susan
>
> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit
> or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>
> Cheri

Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?

I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able to
go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
give this smoker a go while I am there

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 1:15 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Did I say anything about a high carb diet? No. And I never ate meals
>> that
>> were all carbs and nothing else. I did eat beans. Beans contain
>> protein.
>
> Beans, when combined with the right foods will be processed as protein by
> your body (not ALL of the beans, but some of the beans). I don't have
> "Diet for a Small Planet" handy right now, but i never saw you mention the
> rest of the equation for a vegetarian to get PROTEIN in their diet.
>
> and yes, you have posted about your 'bean diet' meals as a diabetic, when
> confused as to why your bg went so high after your meal
>
> i'm dropping this convo

Diet For A Small Planet is *very* outdated information. Beans do not have
to be combined with other foods. And I never once posted about a bean mean
and then was confused about it. Come. Really! I see why you are dropping
it because you can't defend your lie!

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 1:06 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> She does tell them if they would low carb their BG would come down.
>
> ya
>
> what part do you have an issue with?

Exactly that! Low carb *raised* my BG!

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 1:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I do not think 100g is low carb.
>
> tell that to the dieticians who say that IS low carb
>
> back to my other comment
>
> TELL ME HOW MANY Grams of Carbs you eat at each meal

I do not eat low carb. I do not eat high carb. I eat two meals a day with
a max of 45 g per meal. That does not include non starchy veggies of which
I do not eat a lot because I do not digest them well. I have a snack before
bed of 30 g. That adds to 110. Do not tell me to eat less carbs than that.
When I do, my BG skyrockets. Or I have a hypo. Depending on what I ate. I
am a tad concerned over tonight's dinner because it works out to only 40 g.
I need to test before I leave the dance studio because I don't want a hypo.
I can't always get it to work out to that exact amount. Especially when I
am dining out. Which I am not tonight.

I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told me
that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here that
so many people think that because something happened to them or was said to
them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 1:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> and that is what is so sad........ food isn't disgusting and those
>>> > behaviours aren't normal
>>> >
>>> > would a counselor help? i bet Angela would benefit too
>> WHATTTTTTT? OMFG! That is extremely insulting! Extremely! Just
>> because I
>> grew up in a different manner than you did doesn't mean that it is
>> necessarily wrong. Some food is disgusting to*me*. It certainly is and
>> you can't tell me otherwise. There are such things as picky eaters. I
>> know
>> a whole lot of them.
>>
>> Angela and I eat a balanced diet given our food allergies. I don't*have*
>> to like everything you like. And just because*I* don't like something
>> doesn't make it "sad".
>
> LOL
>
> and that is my whole point, Julie, thank you for making such a great
> summary
>
> it IS "SAD" that you have so many aversions to "disgusting food" and the
> manner in which you were raised (did you not say you were forced to eat
> oatmeal with you mother gagging and saying 'how can you eat that?' and
> much more?)
>
> do you NOT think that upbringing has affected you? (you have specifically
> stated it HAS and that is WHY you are the way you ARE today)
>
> it's ok
>
> as the story spins
>
> i'm outta here

It is *sad* to you! And I don't have *so many* food aversions. My friend
is squicked out by coconut and my SIL won't eat mashed potatoes. Do you
think they need therapy too?

I was never FORCED to eat oatmeal or anything else. But my mom put it on
the table then made gagging noises and asked how I could eat it? I feel the
same way about guacamole when Angela or my mom eats it but I wouldn't act
like that. My mom acts in a lot of ways that I wouldn't. But that's
neither here nor there.

I did not say that is why I am today. I am pointing out to you that I am
not alone in not liking certain foods. There are plenty of picky eaters out
there. And do you know what? The people at the adult's picky eating forum
don't think I am one of them because I eat a lot more foods than they do.

Just because someone is different than you doesn't make it sad and for you
to laugh about it IMO is just simply pathetic.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>
>>> Susan
>>
>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
>> touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
>> anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>
> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was quite
> vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My daughter
> interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able to go there
> late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to give this
> smoker a go while I am there


I have a stovetop smoker, added a few cherry wood chips, put the breasts in,
brushed with olive oil and salt and pepper. Cooked for a few minutes since I
do not like a heavy smoke flavor. They were nicely cooked since they weren't
huge breasts. No, I have bagged salad. I really like my smoker, I bet your
daughter will too.

Cheri

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/3/2012 2:46 PM, Susan wrote:
>> Actually, I say to reduce carbs and test the results to see which foods
>> and meals cause spikes.
>>
>> Everyone has a different definition of low carb and everyone has their
>> own personal bg targets in mind, too.
>>
>> Susan
>
> ty
>
> see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb
>
> ????
>
> but Julie won't define low carb HER WAY

I sure will! I would say 60 g or less.

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:00:18 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ozgirl > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>>>>: ...
>>>>: > Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>>>>: > : ...
>>>>: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>: > : >> In >, "Julie
>>>>: > : >> >
>>>>: > : >> wrote:
>>>>: > : >>
>>>>: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>>: > : >>> ...
>>>>: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>>>>: > that I
>>>>: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>: > : >>>
>>>>: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>>>>: > have it
>>>>: > : >>> than
>>>>: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>>: > : >>
>>>>: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>>>: > ungrateful
>>>>: > : >> she is
>>>>: > : >> for any help
>>>>: > : >
>>>>: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>>>>: > with her
>>>>: > : > "i already know it all" approach
>>>>: > : >
>>>>: > : > i give up
>>>>: > : >
>>>>: > : > i've tried
>>>>: > : >
>>>>: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know
>>>>i
>>>>: > have
>>>>: > : > already today)
>>>>: > : >
>>>>: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>>>>: > Julie,
>>>>: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>>>>: > put a link
>>>>: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis
>>>>than
>>>>: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed
>>>>twice
>>>>: > by a
>>>>: > : gastroenterologist.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>>>>: > that but
>>>>: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : Apparently I am missing something.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>>>: >
>>>>: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>>>>: > SOME
>>>>: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>>>>: > failure!!!!
>>>>: >
>>>>: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not
>>>>have
>>>>: > put
>>>>: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something
>>>>like
>>>>: > it
>>>>: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>>>: >
>>>>: > Wendy
>>>>
>>>>: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations.
>>>>If
>>>>: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed
>>>>that
>>>>: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>>>>: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>>>>: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>>>>
>>>>It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I
>>>>didn't
>>>>even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>>>>it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>>>>
>>>>I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning
>>>>if
>>>>she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust
>>>>at
>>>>things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense
>>>>if
>>>>she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>>>>about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>>>>button.
>>>>
>>>>Wendy
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Wendy,
>>>
>>> I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
>>> one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
>>> constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
>>> personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.
>>>
>>> Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
>>> someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
>>> fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
>>> did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
>>> "disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
>>> (though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
>>> happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
>>> bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....
>>>
>>> As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
>>> meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
>>> the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
>>> merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
>>> planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
>>> individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
>>> an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.
>>>
>>> I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
>>> she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
>>> involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
>>> my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
>>> got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
>>> mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
>>> that way.
>>>
>>> I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
>>> which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
>>> explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
>>> different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
>>> provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
>>> palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
>>> mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.
>>>
>>> What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
>>> that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
>>> factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
>>> than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
>>> remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
>>> department, so I have no room to talk.
>>>
>>> For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
>>> surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
>>> I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
>>> first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
>>> bite or two of starch.
>>>
>>> I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
>>> wish everyone a very happy New Year!
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>
>>I grew up in a house where many foods were disgusting. Both of my parents
>>referred to foods as exactly that. And they still do. I was once told
>>that
>>the food I brought in from a taco place smelled like garbage. And my mom
>>used to insist that we eat oatmeal for breakfast then stand over us making
>>faces and gagging noises and asking us how we could eat it? Is it any
>>wonder that I never learned to like the stuff?
>>
>>My maternal grandmother and her husband expressed similar disgusts for
>>many
>>foods and were very vocal about it. They refused to eat anything that
>>they
>>considered to be foreign and my step-grandpa would not touch a leftover or
>>eat outdoors.
>>
>>So to me, referring to foods like that is a very normal thing.
>
>
> Julie dear, I can see that. I hope that you find the courage and the
> nerve to experiment more and to expand your palate. If you view it
> as a challenge and an adventure, it will be fun. I doubt you will
> take my advice, but I hope you do. You are a good person and you
> have not had a good experience in learning to cook or to eat. I hope
> you continue to try new things!

I don't *want* to expand my palate! So quit telling me what to
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:57:51 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Susan" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>
>> Susan
>
>Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
>touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
>anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>
>Cheri


Today I went to Sam's Club and they had chicken breasts on sale for
$1.99 lb. They were huge nice ones, and I bought a package. I
wrapped them separately in press and seal wrap and put them all into a
plastic bag in the freezer. Now I can take out only just what we
need as we need them. I can envision chicken marsala, chicken
piccata, chicken francese, chicken milanese..... etc. etc. etc.

Good stuff!

Evelyn

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told me
> that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here that
> so many people think that because something happened to them or was said
> to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?

That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be informed...how
EASY it is for them.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told
>> me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here
>> that so many people think that because something happened to them or was
>> said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
>
> That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
> instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be informed...how
> EASY it is for them.

What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for myself.
So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something just because
someone tells me to?

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told
>>> me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here
>>> that so many people think that because something happened to them or was
>>> said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
>>
>> That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
>> instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be informed...how
>> EASY it is for them.
>
> What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
> attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
> question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for myself.
> So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something just because
> someone tells me to?


Julie, nowhere did I tell you that you should "tell your dietician
anything." BTW, it's a whole lot EASIER to be an athiest than it is to be a
religious person of any kind, so I'm not surprised at all that you are.

Cheri

On 1/3/2012 5:43 PM, Evelyn wrote:
> Bingo!
>
> I make EVERYTHING from scratch. I like it that way. I know how
> fresh the broth is, the veggies are, the meat, all of it. When you
> buy packaged stuff, it seldom tastes as good or is as nutritious as
> the food you make yourself from scratch!
>
> Tonights dinner was broccoli rabe, with garlic and olive oil made in
> the traditional italian manner, A supermarket rotisserie chicken, a
> tossed salad. (not in that order) I am comfortably full and I know
> my bg's love it.
>
> Evelyn

LOL, we have a 'more than 3 syllables rule' (2 syllables for some things)

if it's not 2 syllables like Su-Gah and into the "over 3 syllable limit"
like So-Di-Um-Meta-Bi-Sul-Fate realm, we don't eat it

this covers Hy-Dro-Gen-A-Ted oils (trans-fats) as well



the most 'natural' the best!

kate

On 1/3/2012 5:38 PM, Evelyn wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:49:41 -0700, Tiger > wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2012 2:43 PM, Evelyn wrote:
>>> It's too damned cold to walk around here, Sue. I bought a treadmill
>>> at a yard sale for $200 bucks. I cannot begin to tell you how
>>> crushingly boring it is. But I am moving around a lot more in my
>>> life in general, which is a very good thing.
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>
>> lol
>>
>> place in front of TV
>>
>> insert GOOD movie into DVD player
>>
>> at least you don't have an expensive clothes hanger (yet)
>>
>> i agree on the crushingly boring........ any malls nearby?
>>
>> or a Wii system?
>>
>> kate
>
> I walked in the local mall a couple of times. I found it to be too
> small to really cover enough ground to suit me. I do walk whenever
> possible when shopping.
>
> Evelyn

eh, hear you Evelyn

i'm fortunate to live near a mall that i only need to cover 10 times to
get a good walk in

only 10 times?? giggle
eh, what do you do, better than -40F ! ! !

kate

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told
>>>> me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it
>>>> here that so many people think that because something happened to them
>>>> or was said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
>>>
>>> That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
>>> instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be
>>> informed...how EASY it is for them.
>>
>> What in the hell is your problem lately? All you can do is attack and
>> attack! I am an atheist. That in and of itself should tell you that I
>> question pretty much everything! And of course I do research for myself.
>> So why are you telling me I should tell a dietician something just
>> because someone tells me to?
>
>
> Julie, nowhere did I tell you that you should "tell your dietician
> anything." BTW, it's a whole lot EASIER to be an athiest than it is to be
> a religious person of any kind, so I'm not surprised at all that you are.

Oh really? And why do you say that? And it was Tiger Lily who told me to
tell the dietician something. You made the comment to me when I said I
wouldn't! Which didn't even make any sense.

On 1/3/2012 5:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>
>> Susan
>
> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
> touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
> anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>
> Cheri
>
>

damn Cheri, you owe me a new keyboard and monitor for forgetting the
beverage alert!

lol

disgusting, totally disgusting!

kate

On 1/3/2012 6:01 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>
>>> Susan
>>
>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
>> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit
>> or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>
> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able to
> go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like to
> give this smoker a go while I am there

what woods do you have access to?

hickory is very nice, but an apple wood can be very interesting

smoking is a long slow process, but you will LOVE the results IF you
choose a wood flavour you like

shoot me an e-mail, i'll ask a friend (Dad was the pro on this, and i
had many many smoked salmon over my years )

kate

On 1/3/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>
>>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I
>>> did touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or
>>> vomit or anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Did you also cut your salad on the same chopping board?
>>
>> I have only ever had smoked chicken that I bought pre smoked. It was
>> quite vile. But I wouldn't be averse to trying home made stuff. My
>> daughter interstate got a smoker for Christmas and I hope to be able
>> to go there late January. How did you do the breasts? I'd rather like
>> to give this smoker a go while I am there
>
>
> I have a stovetop smoker, added a few cherry wood chips, put the breasts
> in, brushed with olive oil and salt and pepper. Cooked for a few minutes
> since I do not like a heavy smoke flavor. They were nicely cooked since
> they weren't huge breasts. No, I have bagged salad. I really like my
> smoker, I bet your daughter will too.
>
> Cheri

ahh, different smoker system from what i'm used to, Cheri

and yes, cherry wood is very nice

btw, lilac sucks for this, don't bother and don't ask why i know LOL

kate

On 1/3/2012 6:29 PM, Evelyn wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:57:51 -0800, >
> wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Anybody cooked anything great that we should all hear about and try?
>>>
>>> Susan
>>
>> Yes, I made some nice smoked chicken breasts for salad...and yes, I did
>> touch the raw chicken while preparing it and I didn't die or vomit or
>> anything. I know that's disgusting, but there you have it. ;-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> Today I went to Sam's Club and they had chicken breasts on sale for
> $1.99 lb. They were huge nice ones, and I bought a package. I
> wrapped them separately in press and seal wrap and put them all into a
> plastic bag in the freezer. Now I can take out only just what we
> need as we need them. I can envision chicken marsala, chicken
> piccata, chicken francese, chicken milanese..... etc. etc. etc.
>
> Good stuff!
>
> Evelyn

curried butter chicken
tikki masala
vindaloo
stuffed with cheese & ham (Swiss or Cordon Blu or whatever flavour you
want) (even cheese & brocolli)

chicken is a staple food in our diet here

kate

On 1/3/2012 6:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> and yes, you have posted about your 'bean diet' meals as a diabetic, when
>> > confused as to why your bg went so high after your meal
>> >
>> > i'm dropping this convo
> Diet For A Small Planet is*very* outdated information. Beans do not have
> to be combined with other foods. And I never once posted about a bean mean
> and then was confused about it. Come. Really! I see why you are dropping
> it because you can't defend your lie!
>
>

right, call me a liar

guess after the surgery i will start to pull YOUR WORDS from the google
archives

yes, Diet for a Small Planet is an old book............ the information
in it isn't

as for lying, bitch, you take the cake

back at ya in a few

oh, and FOAD over and over and over and over is a quote of YOU, btw,
just thought i would throw that in

wanna go round 2?
FOAD!

delete
kill file
remove all posts
this is a complete waste of my time, you can't fight stupid, they will
drag you down to their level and beat you up with experience

you win JULIE!!!
congratulations!
bye!

FOAD!~ (just to quote you)

On 1/3/2012 6:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> and yes, you have posted about your 'bean diet' meals as a diabetic, when
>> > confused as to why your bg went so high after your meal
>> >
>> > i'm dropping this convo
> Diet For A Small Planet is*very* outdated information. Beans do not have
> to be combined with other foods. And I never once posted about a bean mean
> and then was confused about it. Come. Really! I see why you are dropping
> it because you can't defend your lie!
>
>

filter enabled, Julie is GONE

On 1/3/2012 6:18 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> TELL ME HOW MANY Grams of Carbs you eat at each meal
> I do not eat low carb. I do not eat high carb. I eat two meals a day with
> a max of 45 g per meal. That does not include non starchy veggies of which
> I do not eat a lot because I do not digest them well. I have a snack before
> bed of 30 g. That adds to 110. Do not tell me to eat less carbs than that.
> When I do, my BG skyrockets. Or I have a hypo. Depending on what I ate. I
> am a tad concerned over tonight's dinner because it works out to only 40 g.
> I need to test before I leave the dance studio because I don't want a hypo.
> I can't always get it to work out to that exact amount. Especially when I
> am dining out. Which I am not tonight.
>
> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told me
> that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here that
> so many people think that because something happened to them or was said to
> them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
>

Life according to Julie..............

need i say more?

On 1/3/2012 6:32 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I am not going to tell dieticians anything. No dietician has ever told
>> me that was low carb. Now maybe you were told that. But why is it here
>> that so many people think that because something happened to them or
>> was said to them or whatever, it's that way for everyone?
>
> That's right Julie, never question anything or research it for yourself,
> instead just tell people who do take the time to try to be
> informed...how EASY it is for them.
>
> Cheri

Life according to Julie......... easy!

On 1/3/2012 6:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Tiger > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/3/2012 1:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> and that is what is so sad........ food isn't disgusting and those
>>>>> behaviours aren't normal
>>>>>
>>>>> would a counselor help? i bet Angela would benefit too
>>> WHATTTTTTT? OMFG! That is extremely insulting! Extremely! Just
>>> because I
>>> grew up in a different manner than you did doesn't mean that it is
>>> necessarily wrong. Some food is disgusting to*me*. It certainly is and
>>> you can't tell me otherwise. There are such things as picky eaters. I
>>> know
>>> a whole lot of them.
>>>
>>> Angela and I eat a balanced diet given our food allergies. I don't*have*
>>> to like everything you like. And just because*I* don't like something
>>> doesn't make it "sad".
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> and that is my whole point, Julie, thank you for making such a great
>> summary
>>
>> it IS "SAD" that you have so many aversions to "disgusting food" and the
>> manner in which you were raised (did you not say you were forced to eat
>> oatmeal with you mother gagging and saying 'how can you eat that?' and
>> much more?)
>>
>> do you NOT think that upbringing has affected you? (you have specifically
>> stated it HAS and that is WHY you are the way you ARE today)
>>
>> it's ok
>>
>> as the story spins
>>
>> i'm outta here
>
> It is *sad* to you! And I don't have *so many* food aversions. My friend
> is squicked out by coconut and my SIL won't eat mashed potatoes. Do you
> think they need therapy too?
>
> I was never FORCED to eat oatmeal or anything else. But my mom put it on
> the table then made gagging noises and asked how I could eat it? I feel the
> same way about guacamole when Angela or my mom eats it but I wouldn't act
> like that. My mom acts in a lot of ways that I wouldn't. But that's
> neither here nor there.
>
> I did not say that is why I am today. I am pointing out to you that I am
> not alone in not liking certain foods. There are plenty of picky eaters out
> there. And do you know what? The people at the adult's picky eating forum
> don't think I am one of them because I eat a lot more foods than they do.
>
> Just because someone is different than you doesn't make it sad and for you
> to laugh about it IMO is just simply pathetic.
>
>
Life according to Julie

as the story spins

On 1/3/2012 6:26 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Tiger > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/3/2012 2:46 PM, Susan wrote:
>>> Actually, I say to reduce carbs and test the results to see which foods
>>> and meals cause spikes.
>>>
>>> Everyone has a different definition of low carb and everyone has their
>>> own personal bg targets in mind, too.
>>>
>>> Susan
>>
>> ty
>>
>> see also Julie doesn't feel 100 grams of carb/day is low carb
>>
>> ????
>>
>> but Julie won't define low carb HER WAY
>
> I sure will! I would say 60 g or less.
>
>
life according to Julie, she's the expert