Tea (rec.drink.tea) Discussion relating to tea, the world's second most consumed beverage (after water), made by infusing or boiling the leaves of the tea plant (C. sinensis or close relatives) in water.

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Old 11-02-2004, 10:24 AM
Robert Schneider
 
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Hi to all

Can someone recommand some good tea houses for grenn tea? I'm searching
for a good quality where I can be sure that the tea tastes well. Up to now
I have bougth so often tea that seemed to be old or it was a bad quality
(even though in the shop they told me that it is high quality tea, of
course). Now I don't want to become dissappointed anymore. Therefore my
question.

I'm living in Austria/Europe. Of course it would be the cheapest to order
somewhere in Austria. But maybe there are some better shops somewhere
else. Are there? It would be also very interesting to find a shop in
japan, india or china. I could imagine to get a very high quality. But it
might be to expensive or the transport takes to long. Has someone
experiences with such remote shops?

In addition the the tea should be organically.

Some recommandations?

Cheers,
Robert Schneider

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Old 12-02-2004, 12:35 AM
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Robert Schneider wrote:
Hi to all

Can someone recommand some good tea houses for grenn tea? I'm searching
for a good quality where I can be sure that the tea tastes well. Up to
now I have bougth so often tea that seemed to be old or it was a bad
quality (even though in the shop they told me that it is high quality
tea, of course). Now I don't want to become dissappointed anymore.
Therefore my question.

I'm living in Austria/Europe. Of course it would be the cheapest to
order somewhere in Austria. But maybe there are some better shops
somewhere else. Are there? It would be also very interesting to find a
shop in japan, india or china. I could imagine to get a very high
quality. But it might be to expensive or the transport takes to long.
Has someone experiences with such remote shops?

In addition the the tea should be organically.

Although Im not so experienced in tea testing, I heard that the best tea
were kept for export. So is it for Cognac In France, too.
I could still recommend you the best and most reknowned tea house in
Paris, France : The Mariage Freres Tea house, by which you can order tea
online at www.mariagefreres.com . They do also have many shops in japan.

It maybe a good choice to get their tea list
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Old 12-02-2004, 02:07 AM
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Robert Schneider wrote:

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Although Im not so experienced in tea testing, I heard that the best tea
were kept for export. So is it for Cognac In France, too.
I could still recommend you the best and most reknowned tea house in
Paris, France : The Mariage Freres Tea house, by which you can order tea
online at www.mariagefreres.com . They do also have many shops in japan.
It maybe a good choice to get their tea list
vincent


Hi Vincent, The site only seems to work in French & Japanese.
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Dave Croft
Warrington
England



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Old 12-02-2004, 06:46 AM
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:24:59 +0100, Robert Schneider wrote:

Hi to all

Can someone recommand some good tea houses for grenn tea? I'm searching
for a good quality where I can be sure that the tea tastes well. Up to now
I have bougth so often tea that seemed to be old or it was a bad quality
(even though in the shop they told me that it is high quality tea, of
course). Now I don't want to become dissappointed anymore. Therefore my
question.

I'm living in Austria/Europe. Of course it would be the cheapest to order
somewhere in Austria. But maybe there are some better shops somewhere
else. Are there? It would be also very interesting to find a shop in
japan, india or china. I could imagine to get a very high quality. But it
might be to expensive or the transport takes to long. Has someone
experiences with such remote shops?

In addition the the tea should be organically.

Some recommandations?

Cheers,
Robert Schneider


Try www.derteeladen.de, they may even have a shop near you (Wien).

J Boehm
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Old 12-02-2004, 08:09 AM
Robert Schneider
 
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Yes, sounds interesting. Unfortunately it is not in English.

Is it really like you said that the best tea is for export? That means
also that your Cognac in France is worse than the one we can get here in
Austria from you? This is not what I thought. I guess the products for
export is bulk good, and I suppose that there is better quality to find -
just to know where is the problem. But maybe you're right.


Robert


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Old 12-02-2004, 04:37 PM
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"vincent" wrote in message

Can someone recommand some good tea houses for grenn tea?


I could still recommend you the best and most reknowned tea house in
Paris, France : The Mariage Freres Tea house, by which you can order tea
online at www.mariagefreres.com .


Il y a quoi comme thes verts chez Mariage Freres ? A part le truc qui me
sert de pot-pourri (si ca sent bon !)...le Marco Polo, je crois. Enfin bon,
je ne vais pas discuter des gouts et des couleurs. Mais c'est des marchands
de the "noir", et la personne en cherche du "vert".

(Mariage Freres is specialised in black teas, in flavored blends, they have
little to nothing to propose in green tea)

They do also have many shops in japan.


Carrefour aussi.

Kuri

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Old 12-02-2004, 07:36 PM
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you can also go to www.theculturedcup.com in dallas-
they have a good selection of their teas
if you send mariage freres an e-mail mesg they will send ordering form-
joanne
"Dave Croft" wrote in message
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"vincent" wrote in message

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Robert Schneider wrote:

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Although Im not so experienced in tea testing, I heard that the best tea
were kept for export. So is it for Cognac In France, too.
I could still recommend you the best and most reknowned tea house in
Paris, France : The Mariage Freres Tea house, by which you can order tea
online at www.mariagefreres.com . They do also have many shops in japan.
It maybe a good choice to get their tea list
vincent


Hi Vincent, The site only seems to work in French & Japanese.
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Warrington
England





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Old 12-02-2004, 07:38 PM
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www.lepalisdesthes.com has a good selection of greens as well as scented
teas.
joanne
"cc" wrote in message
...

"vincent" wrote in message

Can someone recommand some good tea houses for grenn tea?


I could still recommend you the best and most reknowned tea house in
Paris, France : The Mariage Freres Tea house, by which you can order tea
online at www.mariagefreres.com .


Il y a quoi comme thes verts chez Mariage Freres ? A part le truc qui me
sert de pot-pourri (si ca sent bon !)...le Marco Polo, je crois. Enfin

bon,
je ne vais pas discuter des gouts et des couleurs. Mais c'est des

marchands
de the "noir", et la personne en cherche du "vert".

(Mariage Freres is specialised in black teas, in flavored blends, they

have
little to nothing to propose in green tea)

They do also have many shops in japan.


Carrefour aussi.

Kuri



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Old 13-02-2004, 12:16 AM
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Robert Schneider wrote:
Yes, sounds interesting. Unfortunately it is not in English.

Is it really like you said that the best tea is for export? That means
also that your Cognac in France is worse than the one we can get here in
Austria from you? This is not what I thought. I guess the products for
export is bulk good, and I suppose that there is better quality to find
- just to know where is the problem. But maybe you're right.


Robert

of that i don't really personally know.
I read it in some book about tea ( yes, written by a french guy)
who said it, but I on't really know. As far as I can imagine ,
maybe the poorest of the tea producing countries try to export it
and thus get more money for it as in their own countries.
Maybe so is it with us for the Cognac ;-), but i' m not that sure

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Old 13-02-2004, 12:24 AM
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Joanne Rosen wrote:
www.lepalisdesthes.com has a good selection of greens as well as scented
teas.
joanne


http://www.palaisdesthes.com/fre/index.cgi

small typo, not a matter of interest, as I wrote before


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Old 13-02-2004, 12:28 AM
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Il y a quoi comme thes verts chez Mariage Freres ? A part le truc qui me
sert de pot-pourri (si ca sent bon !)...le Marco Polo, je crois. Enfin bon,
je ne vais pas discuter des gouts et des couleurs. Mais c'est des marchands
de the "noir", et la personne en cherche du "vert".

Me sentant un peu blessé dans mon honneur, je sors ma carte de thés
de chez mariage freres, scrute d un air inquiet...
Me serais je trompé, mon Chun Mee serait il un thé noir?
ca serait assez troublant pour ma conception du thé.
Ouf, sauvé, en cherchant un peu, heureusement, je trouve
deux pages de thé "vert"...L honneur est sauf.
est ce une raison pour s'enflammer?
pas trop a mon sens.......



"not a matter of interest."
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Old 13-02-2004, 10:49 AM
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/12/04

Robert Schneider wrote:
Yes, sounds interesting. Unfortunately it is not in English.

Is it really like you said that the best tea is for export? That means
also that your Cognac in France is worse than the one we can get here in
Austria from you? This is not what I thought. I guess the products for
export is bulk good, and I suppose that there is better quality to find
- just to know where is the problem. But maybe you're right.


Robert

of that i don't really personally know.
I read it in some book about tea ( yes, written by a french guy)
who said it, but I on't really know. As far as I can imagine ,
maybe the poorest of the tea producing countries try to export it
and thus get more money for it as in their own countries.
Maybe so is it with us for the Cognac ;-), but i' m not that sure

--
Vincent


Guys, I hasten to add that with tea it might be quite different. China folk
correct me freely. The best teas -- those that could sell for thousands of
dollars per kilo at auction -- are consumed traditionally in China and never
reach Europe of the Americas. That it takes a good lot of time for the
angels to sip their alotted share of an excellent cognac, whereas the teas
in question need to be consumed fresh might have something to do with this.

Michael

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"vincent" wrote in message

Il y a quoi comme thes verts chez Mariage Freres ? A part le truc qui me
sert de pot-pourri (si ca sent bon !)...le Marco Polo, je crois. Enfin

bon,
je ne vais pas discuter des gouts et des couleurs. Mais c'est des

marchands
de the "noir", et la personne en cherche du "vert".

Me sentant un peu blessé dans mon honneur,


Non, non, faut pas...Je suis un peu directe (les smileys j'sais pas faire)
et j'ai reagi vivement.
Je ne peux pas promettre que je ne referai plus. C'est plus fort que moi. Tu
a ravive quelques mauvais souvenir. J'ai longtemps cherche des thes verts en
France, et suite a ca, je ne mets plus les pieds chez les frangins Mariage.
Au mieux, ils n'en ont pas, au pire, ils te refilent des rossignols tres
chers. Au depart, je n'y connaissais rien. Depuis j'ai un peu vecu en Asie
et il y a 2 ou 3 thes verts que je reconnais un peu a force. Et donc les
vendeurs qui racontent des foutaises (mais non, il n'est pas vieux, les
"sencha" c'est toujours jaune comme ca...pour faire du "macha" suffit de les
moudre), je ne supporte plus. Une fois dans une boutique, ca passe. Mais ca
s'est reproduit dans des villes differentes. Dommage pour eux, parce que
meme s'il n'y a pas le the que je cherchais au depart, je ne ressors jamais
de chez un marchand aimable et honnete sans rien acheter.
Tu as quand meme un grand choix de petites boutiques sympas sur Paris. Bon,
je ne traduis pas ca, il parait que les conseils de shopping agacent les
lecteurs...c'est sur que c'est frustrant si c'est des magasins pas du tout
sur leur secteur.

(nothing interesting)

Kuri

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Hi Michael,

Guys, I hasten to add that with tea it might be quite different.


Especially with green tea. Some of the black teas for the European market
are produced in plantations that where created by foreigners for foreign
market, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear certain teas are easier to find
in London than in shops of the country of origine.

China folk
correct me freely. The best teas -- those that could sell for thousands

of
dollars per kilo at auction -- are consumed traditionally in China and

never
reach Europe of the Americas.


That's not only for exceptional teas.
Japanese teas of the quality they sell in a supermarket in Osaka is hard to
find in Paris. A few years ago, I have visited dozens of tea shops,
department stores, Asian groceries...I was ready to pay nearly any price.
And the best I've got were packs of tea of 2 years before and the cheapest
brand of macha available here. All that 5 times the price of the same
product fresh of the year in Japan. Not better in London. Not much better in
Hawaii (where there are so many Japanese residents and tourists). The only
place where I have seen a fair choice of Japanese teas was Taipei. I suspect
there are damned good shops in Seoul, but they are hidden in dark back
streets, as nobody wants to be seen buying Japanese products.

I don't think the "freshness" is the actual problem, even living oysters
and fragile fruits are exported from one continent to another. "New tea" can
be mailed to anywhere on the planet in 24 to 48 hours. And if there was a
demand somewhere, fresh tea leaves could be exported with vegetables.
It seems that even if there is a large expat/ethnic community, that's not
enough to make higher end products profitable. Lack of local demand...

Tastes of people in different countries are still very different. I have
heard so many tourists getting out of the best tea shops in Kyoto saying :
"Yuuuck, I'd never thought a green tea could be that bad. No sugar, no milk
! The bags of decaf grapefruit green tea we have at home are so
much better.". Someday, I have to try grapefruit tea...

Kuri


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In article ,
Robert Schneider wrote:

I'm living in Austria/Europe. Of course it would be the cheapest to order
somewhere in Austria. But maybe there are some better shops somewhere
else. Are there? It would be also very interesting to find a shop in
japan, india or china. I could imagine to get a very high quality. But it
might be to expensive or the transport takes to long. Has someone
experiences with such remote shops?


You don't say where in Austria you are. If in Vienna, you should have
a look at Artee in Siebensterngasse (Spittelberg area). They also do
mail order. (Best to call them on the phone and ask for recommendations,
their website http://www.artee.at/ is neither up to date nor complete.)

Otherwise you might as well order from Gray&Seddon
http://www.gray-seddon-tea.com/
(Expect to pay 20% customs and tax on every other shipment on average.)

Sophie Frisch


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