My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
salad.

The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...

My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
salad.

The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.

=====

Enjoy

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
> salad.
>
> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
> have
> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
> =====
>
> Enjoy

It was very good. Thanks!

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
> salad.
>
> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.

As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a bean diet
for every meal.
====

writes:
>On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
>> salad.
>>
>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
>> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
>> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
>As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a bean diet
>for every meal.
>====

it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it crap

I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
and vinegar, maybe oregano

I make a lentil soup about once a week

spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...
> writes:
>>On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>> type
>>> salad.
>>>
>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
>>> have
>>> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
>>> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>
>>As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a bean
>>diet
>>for every meal.
>>====
>
> it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it crap
>
> I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
> pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
> and vinegar, maybe oregano
>
> I make a lentil soup about once a week
>
> spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make

Did not have red onion. I don't know if he likes pepperocini, but don't.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "tert in seattle" > wrote in message
> ...
> > writes:
> > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > > > Mediterranean type salad.
> > > >
> > > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
> > > > instead.
> > >
> > > As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a
> > > bean diet for every meal.
> > > ====
> >
> > it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it
> > crap
> >
> > I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
> > pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
> > and vinegar, maybe oregano
> >
> > I make a lentil soup about once a week
> >
> > spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make
>
> Did not have red onion. I don't know if he likes pepperocini, but
> don't.

I seem to recall you have a good recipe for Spanish Rice that you have
posted from time to time?

Today is when I would have gone shopping but instead am at home. Don's
heart cath yesterday means he's not to be left untended for 2 days.
The good news is his heart checked out as extremely healthy for his age
with none of the plaque (cholestrol) buildup to be expected by his age.

The surgeon discussed diet (and post surgery care of course). She said
to keep on going just like we are. Sodium reduced and heavy on the
veggies and fruits, reliance on seafood for at least 1/3 of all meals
that have meat (seafood is meat to me).

On 6/22/2019 9:30 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "tert in seattle" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> writes:
>>>> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
>>>>> Mediterranean type salad.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>>>>> craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
>>>>> blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a
>>>> bean diet for every meal.
>>>> ====
>>>
>>> it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it
>>> crap
>>>
>>> I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
>>> pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
>>> and vinegar, maybe oregano
>>>
>>> I make a lentil soup about once a week
>>>
>>> spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make
>>
>> Did not have red onion. I don't know if he likes pepperocini, but
>> don't.
>
> I seem to recall you have a good recipe for Spanish Rice that you have
> posted from time to time?
>
> Today is when I would have gone shopping but instead am at home. Don's
> heart cath yesterday means he's not to be left untended for 2 days.
> The good news is his heart checked out as extremely healthy for his age
> with none of the plaque (cholestrol) buildup to be expected by his age.
>
That's good news!

> The surgeon discussed diet (and post surgery care of course). She said
> to keep on going just like we are. Sodium reduced and heavy on the
> veggies and fruits, reliance on seafood for at least 1/3 of all meals
> that have meat (seafood is meat to me).
>
I've always had the impression you cook/eat healthy food. Pssst, I
consider fish/seafood to be meat, too.

Jill

"cshenk" wrote in message
...

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "tert in seattle" > wrote in message
> ...
> > writes:
> > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > > > Mediterranean type salad.
> > > >
> > > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
> > > > instead.
> > >
> > > As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a
> > > bean diet for every meal.
> > > ====
> >
> > it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it
> > crap
> >
> > I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
> > pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
> > and vinegar, maybe oregano
> >
> > I make a lentil soup about once a week
> >
> > spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make
>
> Did not have red onion. I don't know if he likes pepperocini, but
> don't.

I seem to recall you have a good recipe for Spanish Rice that you have
posted from time to time?

Today is when I would have gone shopping but instead am at home. Don's
heart cath yesterday means he's not to be left untended for 2 days.
The good news is his heart checked out as extremely healthy for his age
with none of the plaque (cholestrol) buildup to be expected by his age.

The surgeon discussed diet (and post surgery care of course). She said
to keep on going just like we are. Sodium reduced and heavy on the
veggies and fruits, reliance on seafood for at least 1/3 of all meals
that have meat (seafood is meat to me).

===

Good news, but I didn't know he has had heart surgery??

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>
> She said
> to keep on going just like we are. Sodium reduced and heavy on the
> veggies and fruits, reliance on seafood for at least 1/3 of all meals
> that have meat (seafood is meat to me).
>
Glad he's doing very good! And I could follow a diet of 1/3 of all meals
be seafood with no problem.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "tert in seattle" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > writes:
>> > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
>> > > > Mediterranean type salad.
>> > > >
>> > > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> > > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>> > > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
>> > > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
>> > > > instead.
>> > >
>> > > As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a
>> > > bean diet for every meal.
>> > > ====
>> >
>> > it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it
>> > crap
>> >
>> > I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
>> > pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
>> > and vinegar, maybe oregano
>> >
>> > I make a lentil soup about once a week
>> >
>> > spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make
>>
>> Did not have red onion. I don't know if he likes pepperocini, but
>> don't.
>
> I seem to recall you have a good recipe for Spanish Rice that you have
> posted from time to time?

Yes but that is made as a meal. This stuff came in a box. Can't remember the
brand but I think it's the only brown rice kind available. Winco sells it.
>
> Today is when I would have gone shopping but instead am at home. Don's
> heart cath yesterday means he's not to be left untended for 2 days.
> The good news is his heart checked out as extremely healthy for his age
> with none of the plaque (cholestrol) buildup to be expected by his age.
>
> The surgeon discussed diet (and post surgery care of course). She said
> to keep on going just like we are. Sodium reduced and heavy on the
> veggies and fruits, reliance on seafood for at least 1/3 of all meals
> that have meat (seafood is meat to me).

Okay.

tert in seattle wrote:

> writes:
> > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> Mediterranean type >> salad.
> >>
> >> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> >> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> craisins. I have >> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> blood sugar doesn't like >> lentils so I'm having kidney beans
> instead.
> >
> > As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a
> > bean diet for every meal.
> > ====
>
> it doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I wouldn't call it crap
>
> I'd leave the bell peppers, fruit and nuts out of the salad and add
> pepperoncini, cherry tomatoes, and red onion - assume you've got oil
> and vinegar, maybe oregano
>
> I make a lentil soup about once a week
>
> spanish rice is one of those things I like but never make

It's not crap at all. It's fairly healthy food over all. I'd go with
how she did it.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
>> salad.
>>
>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
>> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
>> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
>As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a bean diet
>for every meal.
>====

Beans aren't crap. They're very good for us. And they can be very
nice.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
>> salad.
>>
>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
>> have
>> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
>> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
> As usual you are eating crap again. I'm sure you could exist on a bean
> diet
> for every meal.
> ====

I sure could! What's wrong with beans?

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean type
> salad.
>
> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I have
> no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't like
> lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.

We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was okay. What do I do now? Beats me.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:12:04 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
>
You can do frozen chicken wings or legs in 6 minutes after it comes to pressure.
Then you can take them out and finish them in the oven or toaster oven.

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:24:44 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:12:04 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
> >
> You can do frozen chicken wings or legs in 6 minutes after it comes to pressure.
> Then you can take them out and finish them in the oven or toaster oven.

That would be a plan however the air fryer works great for chicken wings. I'll make some kalua pig in the pressure cooker. For the air fryer, I plan to wrap a stuffed Anaheim pepper in pie dough and air fry it. That should be tasty.

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 9:24:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:24:44 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> >
> > You can do frozen chicken wings or legs in 6 minutes after it comes to pressure.
> > Then you can take them out and finish them in the oven or toaster oven.
>
> That would be a plan however the air fryer works great for chicken wings. I'll make some kalua pig in the pressure cooker. For the air fryer, I plan to wrap a stuffed Anaheim pepper in pie dough and air fry it. That should be tasty.
>
Ok, I was thinking you had an air fryer but could not remember for sure.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:24:44 PM UTC-10,
wrote:
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:12:04 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that would
> > work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking pot that
> > uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity regulator
> > but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was okay. What do I
> > do now? Beats me.
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
> >
> You can do frozen chicken wings or legs in 6 minutes after it comes to
> pressure.
> Then you can take them out and finish them in the oven or toaster oven.

That would be a plan however the air fryer works great for chicken wings.
I'll make some kalua pig in the pressure cooker. For the air fryer, I plan
to wrap a stuffed Anaheim pepper in pie dough and air fry it. That should be
tasty.

=====

Ahaaaaaaaa! You are now hooked on the Air Fryer)) What you are
saying about your pressure cooker, you were saying about your Air Fryer))

Let us hope you get to enjoy your new piece of kit as much))

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:24:44 PM UTC-10,
> wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:12:04 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that would
> > > work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking pot that
> > > uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity regulator
> > > but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was okay. What do I
> > > do now? Beats me.
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
> > >
> > You can do frozen chicken wings or legs in 6 minutes after it comes to
> > pressure.
> > Then you can take them out and finish them in the oven or toaster oven.
>
> That would be a plan however the air fryer works great for chicken wings.
> I'll make some kalua pig in the pressure cooker. For the air fryer, I plan
> to wrap a stuffed Anaheim pepper in pie dough and air fry it. That should be
> tasty.
>
> =====
>
> Ahaaaaaaaa! You are now hooked on the Air Fryer)) What you are
> saying about your pressure cooker, you were saying about your Air Fryer))
>
> Let us hope you get to enjoy your new piece of kit as much))

I can't say that I'm hooked on this appliance. It does make a nice chicken wing. If I was hooked on chicken wings, I might be. OTOH, the only appliance I'm hooked on is my range. Mostly, I'll keep these toys until I get tired of them and need the space.

The pressure cooker and the air-fryer are both NuWave branded toys.

https://www.macys.com/shop/product/n...ker?ID=8122666

dsi1 wrote:

> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > Mediterranean type salad.
> >
> > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
> We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that
> would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking
> pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity
> regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was
> okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3

Looks good but dunno next step. Pressure cookers seem all about how
'fast they cook once up to pressure' but my few forays into them the
total time was almost the same as stove top.

Somehow, they never seemed like a 'fun' device to me.

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > > Mediterranean type salad.
> > >
> > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
> >
> > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that
> > would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking
> > pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity
> > regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was
> > okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
>
> Looks good but dunno next step. Pressure cookers seem all about how
> 'fast they cook once up to pressure' but my few forays into them the
> total time was almost the same as stove top.
>
> Somehow, they never seemed like a 'fun' device to me.

They were more fun when I was younger. Not so much now. I'm guessing because I'm not that much into meat these days.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:29:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
>> > > Mediterranean type salad.
>> > >
>> > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>> > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
>> > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>> >
>> > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that
>> > would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking
>> > pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity
>> > regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was
>> > okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
>>
>> Looks good but dunno next step. Pressure cookers seem all about how
>> 'fast they cook once up to pressure' but my few forays into them the
>> total time was almost the same as stove top.
>>
>> Somehow, they never seemed like a 'fun' device to me.
>
>They were more fun when I was younger. Not so much now. I'm guessing because I'm not that much into meat these days.

Maybe you can speed up bean cooking with them.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > > Mediterranean type salad.
> > >
> > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
> >
> > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that
> > would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice looking
> > pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather have a gravity
> > regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made pot roast. It was
> > okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
>
> Looks good but dunno next step. Pressure cookers seem all about how
> 'fast they cook once up to pressure' but my few forays into them the
> total time was almost the same as stove top.
>
> Somehow, they never seemed like a 'fun' device to me.

They were more fun when I was younger. Not so much now. I'm guessing because
I'm not that much into meat these days.

====

I know exactly what you mean!

dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 6:24:21 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
> > > > Mediterranean type salad.
> > > >
> > > > The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> > > > tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
> > > > craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
> > > > blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
> > > > instead.
> > >
> > > We were in Macy's the other day and I found a pressure cooker that
> > > would work on an induction stove for 32 bucks. It was a nice
> > > looking pot that uses a spring pressure regulator. I'd rather
> > > have a gravity regulator but for $32, I can't complain. I made
> > > pot roast. It was okay. What do I do now? Beats me.
> > >
> > >
> >
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...5JM0maPuNGFOU3
> >
> > Looks good but dunno next step. Pressure cookers seem all about how
> > 'fast they cook once up to pressure' but my few forays into them the
> > total time was almost the same as stove top.
> >
> > Somehow, they never seemed like a 'fun' device to me.
>
> They were more fun when I was younger. Not so much now. I'm guessing
> because I'm not that much into meat these days.

Probably true! The main claim to fame they seem to have is making
dried beans faster but frankly, I'm ok with a crockpot for that and how
long it takes. I guess in the back of my mind, the low and slow lets
the spices meld better. or so I think.

If I canned a lot, I'd want one for that too but I don't do more than
the stray jelly/jam with fruits.

They *may* be useful with another dish I have going now, but I'm just
fine with it taking longer in a crockpot. I'm making reduced sodium
'salt boiled peanuts'. The true recipe uses a LOT of salt, like 1/4
CUP is the starting point. Mine uses 3TB of a lower sodium soy sauce,
then adds a medium strength chile powder blend at about 1TB. Not
totally low-sodium, but reasonable with portion control. 1/2cup still
in shell works out at about 150mg sodium (about 1/3cup nut meat). Mine
will take 18 hours on medium/low and get better and better for up to 48
hours total time. I have about 4 cups of raw going and the meats
freeze exceptionally well for later dishes if any are left Tuesday
(unlikely but happens).

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> Probably true! The main claim to fame they seem to have is making
> dried beans faster but frankly, I'm ok with a crockpot for that and how
> long it takes. I guess in the back of my mind, the low and slow lets
> the spices meld better. or so I think.
>
> If I canned a lot, I'd want one for that too but I don't do more than
> the stray jelly/jam with fruits.
>
> They *may* be useful with another dish I have going now, but I'm just
> fine with it taking longer in a crockpot. I'm making reduced sodium
> 'salt boiled peanuts'. The true recipe uses a LOT of salt, like 1/4
> CUP is the starting point. Mine uses 3TB of a lower sodium soy sauce,
> then adds a medium strength chile powder blend at about 1TB. Not
> totally low-sodium, but reasonable with portion control. 1/2cup still
> in shell works out at about 150mg sodium (about 1/3cup nut meat). Mine
> will take 18 hours on medium/low and get better and better for up to 48
> hours total time. I have about 4 cups of raw going and the meats
> freeze exceptionally well for later dishes if any are left Tuesday
> (unlikely but happens).

A pressure cooker makes canning at home possible. For people back in the old days that needed to preserve foods, it was a godsend. These days, not so much.

Cooking a roast in a pressure cooker at an elevated temperature makes the meat look a little odd. It looks misshaped and "stressed out." I'll try a pork butt and make some kalua pork. That might turn out a little nicer.

On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>> type salad.
>>
>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
>> have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't
>> like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>
> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>
> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the salad
> you're serving?
>
> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with the
> gardening work?
>

I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
of the outbuildings. Need you bush trimmed?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>> On 05:24* 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>> type salad.
>>>
>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>>> craisins. I
>>> have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar
>>> doesn't
>>> like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>
>> Huh?* Who is your gardener?
>>
>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about
>> the salad
>> you're serving?
>>
>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>> the
>> gardening work?
>>
>
> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener.* He lives in
> one of the outbuildings. Need you bush trimmed?

He's an expert at pruning her begonias.

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:10:48 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
> > On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
> >> type salad.
> >>
> >> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
> >> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
> >> have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't
> >> like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
> >
> > Huh? Who is your gardener?
> >
> > Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the salad
> > you're serving?
> >
> > In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with the
> > gardening work?
> >
>
> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
> of the outbuildings. Need you bush trimmed?

THAT is a rather personal question, Ed! ;-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist ands Glabrous As I Can Be!

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>> type salad.
>>>>
>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
>>>> have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't
>>>> like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>
>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>
>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the salad
>>> you're serving?
>>>
>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with the
>>> gardening work?
>>>
>>
>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>> of the outbuildings.
>
>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main house
>for meals? That's an odd arrangement.

Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
fallen asleep?

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:58:29 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>>>> type salad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins.
>>>>>> I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar
>>>>>> doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>
>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>>>> of the outbuildings.
>>>
>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>
>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>> fallen asleep?
>
>I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
>assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>
>I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
>carefully prepared meals for him.
>
>What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.

Just that Julie has a gardener. But some emotionally starved RFC women
got very jealous when they heard that. Now they want a gardener too.
Or better yet, they want Julie's gardener.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:58:29 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>>>>> type salad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins.
>>>>>>> I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar
>>>>>>> doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>>>>> of the outbuildings.
>>>>
>>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>>
>>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>>> fallen asleep?
>>
>>I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
>>assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>>
>>I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
>>carefully prepared meals for him.
>>
>>What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.
>
> Just that Julie has a gardener. But some emotionally starved RFC women
> got very jealous when they heard that. Now they want a gardener too.
> Or better yet, they want Julie's gardener.

I'm sure they would. He's very good looking and so is his dig!

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:25:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:58:29 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>>>>>> type salad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins.
>>>>>>>> I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar
>>>>>>>> doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>>>>>> of the outbuildings.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>>>> fallen asleep?
>>>
>>>I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
>>>assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>>>
>>>I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
>>>carefully prepared meals for him.
>>>
>>>What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.
>>
>> Just that Julie has a gardener. But some emotionally starved RFC women
>> got very jealous when they heard that. Now they want a gardener too.
>> Or better yet, they want Julie's gardener.
>
>I'm sure they would. He's very good looking and so is his dig!

LOL, I won't ask.

"Pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 21:05 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:58:29 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
>>>>>>>> Mediterranean type salad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>>>>>>>> craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
>>>>>>>> blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in
>>>>>> one of the outbuildings.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>>>> fallen asleep?
>>>
>>>I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
>>>assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>>>
>>>I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
>>>carefully prepared meals for him.
>>>
>>>What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.
>>
>> Just that Julie has a gardener. But some emotionally starved RFC women
>> got very jealous when they heard that. Now they want a gardener too.
>> Or better yet, they want Julie's gardener.
>
> That sounds improbable on more than once count.

Doesn't seem that way to me.

"Pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>>>> type salad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins.
>>>>>> I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar
>>>>>> doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>
>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>>>> of the outbuildings.
>>>
>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>
>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>> fallen asleep?
>
> I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
> assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>
> I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
> carefully prepared meals for him.
>
> What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.

He lost his home in a fire. I offered him the spare room but it is really
small. He's storing some things in there but he preferred to live in what he
calls the tiny house. It's not entirely finished inside and there is no
running water so he comes in here for that. He actually comes and goes as he
pleases. We're friends. He has a GF. I love to cook so I said I would make
dinner every night. Sometimes he buys the food. Sometimes I do. I get a lot
of stuff at Costco. I don't pay him. We just sort of do things back and
forth for each other. He does more than just gardening. He's good with
handyman stuff.

"Pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 21:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Pamela" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 20:47 21 Jun 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:59:33 +0100, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 15:10 21 Jun 2019, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a
>>>>>>>> Mediterranean type salad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>>>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has
>>>>>>>> craisins. I have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My
>>>>>>>> blood sugar doesn't like lentils so I'm having kidney beans
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>>>>>> salad you're serving?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with
>>>>>>> the gardening work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in
>>>>>> one of the outbuildings.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the gardener permanently live in the grounds but come to the main
>>>>>house for meals? That's an odd arrangement.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really going to rehash all that? Just when the vultures have
>>>> fallen asleep?
>>>
>>> I've read posters make a passing comment about Julie's gardener but I
>>> assumed it was an unwarranted snide joke about some imaginary gardener.
>>>
>>> I hadn't realised there's a real gardener and that Julie really makes
>>> carefully prepared meals for him.
>>>
>>> What's the back story? All I know is he lives in an outbuilding.
>>
>> He lost his home in a fire. I offered him the spare room but it is
>> really small. He's storing some things in there but he preferred to live
>> in what he calls the tiny house. It's not entirely finished inside and
>> there is no running water so he comes in here for that. He actually
>> comes and goes as he pleases. We're friends. He has a GF. I love to cook
>> so I said I would make dinner every night. Sometimes he buys the food.
>> Sometimes I do. I get a lot of stuff at Costco. I don't pay him. We just
>> sort of do things back and forth for each other. He does more than just
>> gardening. He's good with handyman stuff.
>
> Do you see yourself as having an emotional attchment to him?

Of course!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:10:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2019 7:04 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 05:24 21 Jun 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My gardener said he wanted Spanish rice, lentils and a Mediterranean
>>>> type salad.
>>>>
>>>> The rice is brown. The salad is Romaine with baby bell peppers,
>>>> tomatoes,Kalamatta olives, feta cheese and pecans. His has craisins. I
>>>> have no cucumber or that would be in there too. My blood sugar doesn't
>>>> like lentils so I'm having kidney beans instead.
>>>
>>> Huh? Who is your gardener?
>>>
>>> Hasn't got any gardening to do, instead of making demands about the
>>> salad
>>> you're serving?
>>>
>>> In fact, why doesn't he bring some sandwiches and just get on with the
>>> gardening work?
>>>
>>
>> I guess you never followed the story of the gardener. He lives in one
>> of the outbuildings. Need you bush trimmed?
>
> She divorced her husband BECAUSE of "The Gardener". The gardener was
> a permanent fixture at the house 2 weeks after the divorce. And
> Angela moved out just then, too, too.

That's not true. He was actually here while my ex husband was. I don't want
to rehash that.
>
> ObFood: Just had a meatball, provolone, and pesto sandwich.

I had toasted marble rye with butter and pink salt and some cottage cheese
with pineapple. Need to go finish making dinner now.

Pamela wrote:
> Why don't you just marry the gardener and make everything regular?

But.... she's dating the painter. lol
I wonder how he feels about the live-in gardener with a friend
and dogs and goats.

"Gary" wrote in message ...


But.... she's dating the painter. lol
I wonder how he feels about the live-in gardener with a friend
and dogs and goats.

===

Gary both you and I know, these are all made up stories to have a go at
Julie.

It seems to be all that gives some people pleasure.

At least she talks about food and cooking.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
>
> But.... she's dating the painter. lol
> I wonder how he feels about the live-in gardener with a friend
> and dogs and goats.
>
> ===
>
> Gary both you and I know, these are all made up stories to have a go at
> Julie.

Yeah, Julie is cool but *she* is the one that tells us the
stories like I said above. Julie is the one that said she's
dating the painter, not the live-in gardener. And she has told us
that the gardener has dogs and goats. She cooks for the dogs too
but I think the goats are living elsewhere.

I like her but will give her a tease now and then when she says
one thing then later denies it. She does do that.

Anyway, on a June 27th note:
Today is my birthday and my daughter is coming in an hour or so
with grandchildren. Nice thing to happen on this day. She wants
to cook me something. Best guess is one of two things...apple pie
or stuffed green peppers. Both are winners. I'll let you know
tomorrow which one.