On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:33:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>
>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>
>> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>
>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
>> drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
>> you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
>> steal grinders.
>
>More than one restaurant that I frequent has pepper mills on the
>table. They use these:
>
><http://www.target.com/p/mccormick-black-peppercorn-grinder-1oz/-/A-13478259>
>
>or similar.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Most patrons would consider those a gift... but at the prices of
restaurant food it'd be more than covered.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-02-23 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
>> I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
>> tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
>> wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
>> should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
>>
>> You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
>> special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
>> time, patience, or wrist.
>
>There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
>definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
>ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
>loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.

That makes no sense nor is it believable... it's no biggie to grind
peppercorns... I've never bought previously ground pepper, not ever,
it will contain mouse turds for certain. I own several pepper mills
but my favorites are the two giant Atlas mills, they are actually
Turkish coffee mills, they require no effort and will hold enough
pepper corns to go at least a week's worth of cooking, one is for
black, one is for white. I also have a pocket pepper mill that I
brought with me when I was still patronizing restaurants. However
most restaurants use previously ground pepper in their kitchen, they
buy it in one pound tins, the same pepper they use to fill the pepper
shakers on the tables, so they are definitely adding ground mouse
turds to your food, and when you use those pepper shakers you are
adding even more mouse turds to your food, insect parts too. I know
yoose imbeciles like to think I'm wrong but truth is I'm 100% correct.
Anyone who uses pre ground pepper is eating rodent shit, insect parts
too.

On 2/23/2016 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
>
> You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> time, patience, or wrist.

An extra 30 or 40 seconds saved for the pot of stew makes a difference
in your life so use the black powder. This uses hand, not wrist action
and lasts a life time. Ours is about 40 years old
http://www.remodelista.com/posts/obj...ll-from-greece

http://www.amazon.com/Pepper-Mill-Im.../dp/B0001NM4CI

On 2/23/2016 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>>
>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>>
>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>>
>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
> Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even being there.
> Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).

I agree with that, too. I merely said I've noted some places have the
servers who grind pepper *for* you because they are afraid someone will
steal the peppermils. They are not the sort of places where I eat.

I don't enjoy eating out. I do own a pepper grinder and I didn't steal it.
>
> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
> =====
>
Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

Jill

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less
> than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store.
> (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than
> the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the
> Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is
> there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.
>
> ---
>
> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be ground.

I've had ground pepper around for ages and never found it to have lost any flavor. I've never been a pepper lover anyway so a little goes a long way.
Disguising poorly prepared food by peppering the shit out of it is not my method. I have seen cooks who over-spice their food constantly...I like to taste my food not a load of crappy spice.
====

On 2016-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:

> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

I'll send you one. I've tossed at least 3, so far, but have one left. Most useless
piece of kitchenware ever invented.

nb

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >
> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> (snippage)
>
> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>
> Jill

Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.

John Kuthe...

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:47:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2016 11:37 AM, wrote:
>> > I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
>> > less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local
>> > Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>> > peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from
>> > bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>> >
>> > So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time,
>> > is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>> >
>> >
>> > Lenona.
>> >
>>
>> The difference is flavor.
>>
>> Many years ago I had breakfast a a friend's house. Fresh egg from his
>> chicken and fresh ground pepper. A couple of days later I bought a
>> pepper grinder and never bought the tasteless powder again.
>>
>> Pepper starts losing its flavor the second it is ground and exposed to
>> air. Soon you will be sprinkling black dust with no flavor.
>
> IMO: pepper "dust" depends on which grind you buy. I hate fine grind
> - it's should go straight into the garbage. Coarsely ground pepper is
> good for cooking convenience if you don't buy a boatload and use it up
> in a couple of months. If you want a lot of bang for the buck without
> grinding, try cracked pepper sometime. Your teeth act as the final
> pepper grinder and it packs quite a wallop. Not for the faint of
> heart.

I hate the dust and that's usually all you can get in restaurants. I also
don't like the cracked. I had to make do with that for a few days when my
grinder broke. Nope.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/23/2016 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and
>>>>> bought those suckers up.
>>>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't
>>>>> have time to break rhythm
>>>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real
>>>>> drag.
>>>>
>>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of
>>>>> shakers.
>>>>
>>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They
>> certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
>> Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even
>> being there.
>> Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt
>> wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).
>
> I agree with that, too. I merely said I've noted some places have the
> servers who grind pepper *for* you because they are afraid someone will
> steal the peppermils. They are not the sort of places where I eat.
>
> I don't enjoy eating out. I do own a pepper grinder and I didn't steal
> it.
>>
>> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ
>> carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up
>> with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
>> =====
>>
> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

We had two when I was a kid. One for granular and one for powdered. But I
don't think I have seen a dispenser in any place other than a coffee shop.
Restaurants all have packets.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-23 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> > I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> > tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> > wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> > should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> >
> > You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> > special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> > time, patience, or wrist.
>
> There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
> definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
> ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
> loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.


--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-23 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> > I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> > tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> > wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> > should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> >
> > You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> > special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> > time, patience, or wrist.
>
> There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
> definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
> ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
> loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.

Looks like we're in dsi1's camp. There are times it matters, there
are times it doesn't and we're capable of deciding when to use what.

--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:55:17 -0800 (PST), Helpful person
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:25:55 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
> > disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
> > wouldn't know that.
> >
> > sf
>
> Yes, but the quality of the pepper is terrible. (It's still better than pre ground.)
>
Oh, really? The "rainbow" peppercorns in my disposable grinder are
Brazilian Pink, Indian Green, Malaysian White and Indian Black
Tellicherry.

My whole black peppercorns are Tellicherry, and coarse ground pepper
is Malabar.

--

sf

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
> less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian
> store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
> peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk
> bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is
> there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.
>
> ---
>
> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be
> ground.

I think Lenona ought to buy whatever suits her best. Her needs and
preferences don't have to be the same as everyone else.




>

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:03:31 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 2/23/2016 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> > I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> > tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> > wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> > should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> >
> > You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> > special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> > time, patience, or wrist.
>
> An extra 30 or 40 seconds saved for the pot of stew makes a difference
> in your life so use the black powder. This uses hand, not wrist action
> and lasts a life time. Ours is about 40 years old
> http://www.remodelista.com/posts/obj...ll-from-greece
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Pepper-Mill-Im.../dp/B0001NM4CI

Unless you plan to add that pepper at the end of the cooking time,
it's just a ridiculous waste of time and effort that can be put to
better use elsewhere.

--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> (snippage)
>
> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>
I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
because it's so silly and pretentious.

--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/23/2016 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >>>
> >>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >>>
> >>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >>>
> >>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> >> (snippage)
> >>
> >> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> >> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> >> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> >> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
> > Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even being there.
> > Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).
>
> I agree with that, too. I merely said I've noted some places have the
> servers who grind pepper *for* you because they are afraid someone will
> steal the peppermils. They are not the sort of places where I eat.
>
> I don't enjoy eating out. I do own a pepper grinder and I didn't steal it.
> >
> > By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
> > =====
> >
> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>

He's obviously part of the Ew-Cooties brigade.


--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
either.

--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> > On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> > >
> > > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> > >
> > >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> > >
> > > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> > (snippage)
> >
> > I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> > servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> > pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> > the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>

No they aren't. They're regular (small) table sized.

--

sf

On 2/23/2016 10:04 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
> I'll send you one. I've tossed at least 3, so far, but have one left. Most useless
> piece of kitchenware ever invented.
>
> nb
>
Gee, thanks! I need more useless kitchenware!

Jill

On 2/24/2016 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
> either.
>
I'm *guessing* it's one of those glass jars with a little self-closing
pour spout on the top for adding sugar to coffee or tea. Like this:

http://tinyurl.com/zxwfvh4

Usually seen in old-timey diners. I can't think of a reason to own or
use one.

Jill

On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>>
>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table
>>
> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> because it's so silly and pretentious.
>
LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>

Jill

On 2/24/2016 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe
>> 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local
>> Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>> peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from
>> bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>>
>> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time,
>> is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>>
>>
>> Lenona.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be
>> ground.
>
> I think Lenona ought to buy whatever suits her best. Her needs and
> preferences don't have to be the same as everyone else.
>
No one said her preferences have to be the same as anyone elses. She
asked, she's getting opinions.

Jill

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 05:31:23 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/24/2016 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
> >
> > I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
> > either.
> >
> I'm *guessing* it's one of those glass jars with a little self-closing
> pour spout on the top for adding sugar to coffee or tea. Like this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zxwfvh4

Thanks.
>
> Usually seen in old-timey diners. I can't think of a reason to own or
> use one.
>
Me either!


--

sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 05:34:38 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >>>
> >>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> >> (snippage)
> >>
> >> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> >> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> >> pepper over your food at the table
> >>
> > I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> > This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> > has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> > huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> > because it's so silly and pretentious.
> >
> LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>
>
Hahaha! Mine is bigger than yours.


--

sf

On 2/24/2016 5:26 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 10:04 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>>
>> I'll send you one. I've tossed at least 3, so far, but have one
>> left. Most useless
>> piece of kitchenware ever invented.
>>
>> nb
>>
> Gee, thanks! I need more useless kitchenware!
>
> Jill

Oh, and nb? In the meantime I'll send you that bundt cake pan... LOL

Jill

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:38 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:

> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.

So, should I bring my own disposable napkin? I generally eat at
restaurants that use cloth napkins.

Cindy Hamilton

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
>> less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian
>> store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>> peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk
>> bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>>
>> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is
>> there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>>
>>
>> Lenona.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be
>> ground.
>
> I think Lenona ought to buy whatever suits her best. Her needs and
> preferences don't have to be the same as everyone else.

She's the one who asked!

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
> either.

Surely you've seen one. Usually glass with a metal top. Used to be
commonplace in restaurants before the packets too over. Can still be seen
at some coffee places here.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 4:57:38 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >
> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> because it's so silly and pretentious.


MY guess would be that since even small fancy restaurants have at least ten(?) tables, the management doesn't want the waiters to waste time by constantly refilling the grinders. That would be one reasonable explanation for the size, anyway.

Lenona.

On 2016-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:

> Oh, and nb? In the meantime I'll send you that bundt cake pan... LOL

Don't bother. I found a new one my mom had.

nb

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:11:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-23 11:37 AM, lenona wrote:
> > I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe
> > 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my
> > local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge
> > MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell
> > spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> Hold on a sec? 1.5 oz for $1 and $1.40 per pound? Or are you saying
> you would be paying about $1.40 for 1.5 oz if it was being bought in
> bulk? $1.40 per pound would be very cheap.


You're right, I was careless in my wording.

1.5 oz at $1 comes to $10.56 a pound.

But at the Indian store, the cheapest bargain for peppercorns is $3.99 for 100 grams, which, if I calculated correctly, comes to $18.14 per pound.

So the former is even MORE than 40% off - but not by much.

(One health food store charges $26 for peppercorns - again, from bulk bins - and another charges $30.)

Thanks to everyone for all the advice. Especially regarding the pollutant factor - ugh.

Lenona.

On 2016-02-24 4:36 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
>> definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
>> ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
>> loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.
>
> Looks like we're in dsi1's camp. There are times it matters, there
> are times it doesn't and we're capable of deciding when to use what.
>


There are a lot of things that are seasoned to taste. If old ground
pepper's zing has faded, you can add a little more. There are a couple
pasta dishes I do where I always use very coarse freshly ground pepper.
It doesn't spend much time in the heat and it adds a nice touch of flavour.

On 2016-02-24 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
> either.
>


I assumed it was one of those glass jars with a domed cap with a one way
flap. They used to be set out on tables in dinners and coffee shops in
the days before we all got paranoid that people were going to poison the
sugar and resorted to single serving packets.

On 2016-02-24 5:05 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>>>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>>>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>>>
>>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>>>
>>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>>
>
> No they aren't. They're regular (small) table sized.

Most places where I have had servers come around to offer freshly
ground pepper the grinder has been huge, at least 5 times bigger than
the largest one we have.

On 2016-02-24 5:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of
>>>>> shakers.
>>>>
>>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>>> pepper over your food at the table
>>>
>> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
>> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
>> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
>> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
>> because it's so silly and pretentious.
>>
> LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>
>


Does it distract you too much from your dinner?
;-)

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>> >
>> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>> >
>> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>> >
>> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>
>John Kuthe...

They don't fit in pockets either, they're huge so the restaurant staff
can't easily steal them nor would they want to... those grotesque
hunks of wood employ lousy grinder mechanisms, and they have no
greater capacity than normal sized pepper mills.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:35:12 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-02-24 4:36 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>> There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
>>> definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
>>> ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
>>> loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.
>>
>> Looks like we're in dsi1's camp. There are times it matters, there
>> are times it doesn't and we're capable of deciding when to use what.
>>
>
>
>There are a lot of things that are seasoned to taste. If old ground
>pepper's zing has faded, you can add a little more. There are a couple
>pasta dishes I do where I always use very coarse freshly ground pepper.
>It doesn't spend much time in the heat and it adds a nice touch of flavour.

With most peppermills you can adjust the grind but that requires trial
and error, I have several, each adjusted to a different grind.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:49:44 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
>> less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian
>> store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>> peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk
>> bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>>
>> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is
>> there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>>
>>
>> Lenona.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be
>> ground.
>
>I think Lenona ought to buy whatever suits her best. Her needs and
>preferences don't have to be the same as everyone else.

People who find others opinions desturbing have no business posting to
Newsgroups.

On 2/24/2016 9:54 AM, wrote:

> MY guess would be that since even small fancy restaurants have at least ten(?) tables, the management doesn't want the waiters to waste time by constantly refilling the grinders. That would be one reasonable explanation for the size, anyway.
>
> Lenona.
>

A couple of restaurants have the McCormick grinders on the table. They
are throw aways.

On 2016-02-24, Dave Smith > wrote:

> On 2016-02-24 5:04 AM, sf wrote:

>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >

>>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

>> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
>> either.

> I assumed it was one of those glass jars with a domed cap with a one way
> flap. They used to be set out on tables in dinners and coffee shops in
> the days before we all got paranoid that people were going to poison the
> sugar and resorted to single serving packets.

Here's a picture of what I'm referring to:

http://tinyurl.com/jhhqk7b

Mine is a more diamond patterned pear-shaped jar, but this shows a
good shot of the tube. Basically, you fill the container with sugar
and the tube is supposed to dispense one "shot" (once?) of sugar each
time you up-end the dispenser. Problem is, after the first shot every
tube-full of sugar becomes less and less cuz the level of the
container determines the amt of each shot in the tube. Basically, the
thing is a useless PIA after the container is less than half full, cuz
yer constantly refilling the damn thing to get a full shot of sugar.

Gimme a sugar bowl with a spoon in it, every time. Even those sugar
dispensers one finds in old diners, the one's with a flap-door over
the hole, like sf describes. If it's gotta tube, it's junk. I'll
send mine to anyone who wants it. Seriously. You jes pay shipping.

nb