I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)

So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?


Lenona.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.

Buying any spice already ground is always inferior. After grinding they lose their aromatics very quickly. However, it is sometimes expedient.

Regarding pepper, I would never buy it ground, especially if you rarely use it. Spices at Indian groceries are so cheap that I would buy one of the superior peppers (Tellicherry, Malabar or Sarawak) and a pepper mill. You will probably get much more pepper than you want but if kept sealed in a dark place it will last quite a long time.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:37:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
>So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
>Lenona.

If you don't taste or smell the difference, get the cheapest. We all
have different taste buds. On the other hand, whole peppercorns
pungency will last for a year or more. The ground pepper will be dull
when you buy it and will fade fairly quickly. I really love freshly
ground pepper smell and taste.
Janet US

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:37:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
I buy both. How finely ground is the pepper? I don't like the finely
ground type. I've seen it called dust, and that's exactly what it is.
For me, using one or the other is based on pure convenience. I buy
coarsely ground pepper to cook with and peppercorns for the table.
The biggest question you need to answer for yourself is how fresh the
pepper is at both stores and make your decisions based on that. Only
you can decide.


--

sf

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.

Yep, what pothers have said here. I use a LOT of black peppercorns as I have a very good pepper mill with a crank on top, and I love it!! I use ground pepper in things I cook like my baked beans, which is all I use ground pepper for now that I think about it.

John Kuthe...

On 2016-02-23 11:37 AM, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe
> 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my
> local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge
> MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell
> spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)

Hold on a sec? 1.5 oz for $1 and $1.40 per pound? Or are you saying
you would be paying about $1.40 for 1.5 oz if it was being bought in
bulk? $1.40 per pound would be very cheap.

>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time,
> is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>

I always have ground pepper on hand for cooking, but always have the
grinder on the table and often use it when cooking. Some things seem to
be better with fresh ground. I suppose all would be, but I often opt for
convenience.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:11:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-23 11:37 AM, lenona wrote:
> > I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe
> > 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my
> > local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge
> > MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell
> > spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> Hold on a sec? 1.5 oz for $1 and $1.40 per pound? Or are you saying
> you would be paying about $1.40 for 1.5 oz if it was being bought in
> bulk? $1.40 per pound would be very cheap.


You're right, I was careless in my wording.

1.5 oz at $1 comes to $10.56 a pound.

But at the Indian store, the cheapest bargain for peppercorns is $3.99 for 100 grams, which, if I calculated correctly, comes to $18.14 per pound.

So the former is even MORE than 40% off - but not by much.

(One health food store charges $26 for peppercorns - again, from bulk bins - and another charges $30.)

Thanks to everyone for all the advice. Especially regarding the pollutant factor - ugh.

Lenona.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 08:37:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less
>than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store.
>(Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the
>Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
>So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any
>good reason not to buy ground pepper?

Besides the fact that any previously ground spice will have already
lost a good deal of its potency and will continue to do so at an
accelerated rate... whenever possible buy whole spices and grind them
yourself... but the main reason not to buy preground peppercorns and
other preground spices is along with the spice 100% ah gar run tee
there'll also be preground rodent turds and insect parts.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.

I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.

I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers. Freshly ground stuff makes a lot of sense at the table because that pungent smell really gets your appetite going. Using it while cooking is a waste of volatile oils. I have a big container of peppercorns that I use for adobo - I use it whole and it's just great!

dsi1 wrote:
>
>I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.

Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA

>I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.

How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
steal grinders.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>
> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA

I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't that special?

>
> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>
> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
> drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
> you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
> steal grinders.

You ain't been paying attention - I've bought choke grinders. I have 3 or 4 at the moment. I also have a whole shitload of whole peppercorns. Fail - but at least you gave it that old Br00klynl try. Hee hee.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>
> I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't that special?
>
> >
> > >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> > like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
> > drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
> > you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
> > steal grinders.
>
> You ain't been paying attention - I've bought choke grinders. I have 3 or 4 at the moment. I also have a whole shitload of whole peppercorns. Fail - but at least you gave it that old Br00klynl try. Hee hee.

And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
wouldn't know that.

--

sf

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:25:55 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:

>
> And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
> disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
> wouldn't know that.
>
> sf

Yes, but the quality of the pepper is terrible. (It's still better than pre ground.)

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > > >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > > >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> > >
> > > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >
> > I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't that special?
> >
> > >
> > > >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> > >
> > > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> > > like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
> > > drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
> > > you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
> > > steal grinders.
> >
> > You ain't been paying attention - I've bought choke grinders. I have 3 or 4 at the moment. I also have a whole shitload of whole peppercorns. Fail - but at least you gave it that old Br00klynl try. Hee hee.
>
> And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
> disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
> wouldn't know that.
>
> --
>
> sf

I may have misspoken - I seemed to have dumped all my pepper grinders in the last purge. I may have to buy another grinder - oh no!

The truth is that I like a little fresh ground pepper on scrambled eggs. It only takes a few grinds. What I'm not going to do is grind pepper into a whole pot of stew or for times when I need a good amount of black pepper. That's just ridiculous.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:23:53 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>
> I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't that special?
>
Sheldon and his brother played penis swordfight when they were adolescents.
>

--Bryan

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>
>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>
>I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't that special?
>
>>
>> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>
>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
>> drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
>> you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
>> steal grinders.
>
> I also have a whole shitload of whole peppercorns.

You are a shit load.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>
> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>
> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>
> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
> drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
> you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
> steal grinders.

More than one restaurant that I frequent has pepper mills on the
table. They use these:

<http://www.target.com/p/mccormick-black-peppercorn-grinder-1oz/-/A-13478259>

or similar.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:33:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >
> > >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> > like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
> > drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
> > you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
> > steal grinders.
>
> More than one restaurant that I frequent has pepper mills on the
> table. They use these:
>
> <http://www.target.com/p/mccormick-black-peppercorn-grinder-1oz/-/A-13478259>
>
> or similar.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Disposable pepper grinders on a restaurant table? I've seen pepper
grinders, but not the disposable variety. The times, they are
a-changin'!

--

sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:33:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> >I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> >and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>
>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>
>> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>
>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag but it's not a
>> drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides being a lazy *******
>> you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy a grinder but will gladly
>> steal grinders.
>
>More than one restaurant that I frequent has pepper mills on the
>table. They use these:
>
><http://www.target.com/p/mccormick-black-peppercorn-grinder-1oz/-/A-13478259>
>
>or similar.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Most patrons would consider those a gift... but at the prices of
restaurant food it'd be more than covered.

On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>
> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>
>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>
> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
(snippage)

I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.

Jill

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >
> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> (snippage)
>
> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>
> Jill

I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even being there.
Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).

By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
=====

On 2016-02-23 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown
> wrote:

>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason
>> the servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to
>> grind pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a
>> grinder on the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens
>> have stolen them.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They
> certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed
> properly. Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a
> favor by even being there.

It's usually mainly for show. Otherwise, they would have a reasonable
size of grinder instead of one thee size of a fire extinguisher.





> Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no
> doubtwondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not >leave).


See above about the show.

>
> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ
> carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you
> end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched
> them.


Those same people have touched the tables, the door knobs, the menus....

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:37:27 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:
snip
>
>I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
>Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even being there.
>Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).
>
>By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
>=====
>
wow! angry much? You are correct about dispensers on the table. They
are huge germ carriers as has been reported often.
Janet US

On 2/23/2016 6:37 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-7, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>>
>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>>
>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>>
>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I for one do not like servers to grind pepper onto MY food. They certainly don't know how much to grind or get it distributed properly.
> Also they often have the attitude that they are doing you a favor by even being there.
> Nothing I hate worse than some lackey fawning at my elbow and no doubt wondering as to how much of a tip I'm going to leave (or not leave).

I agree with that, too. I merely said I've noted some places have the
servers who grind pepper *for* you because they are afraid someone will
steal the peppermils. They are not the sort of places where I eat.

I don't enjoy eating out. I do own a pepper grinder and I didn't steal it.
>
> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.
> =====
>
Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.

Jill

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:38 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:

> By the way...salt, pepper and sugar dispensers are usually great germ carriers...always use a disposable napkin to handle them, lest you end up with the same disease(s) as the last person(s) who touched them.

So, should I bring my own disposable napkin? I generally eat at
restaurants that use cloth napkins.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >
> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> (snippage)
>
> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>
> Jill

Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> > On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> > >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> > >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> > >
> > > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> > >
> > >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> > >
> > > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> > (snippage)
> >
> > I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> > servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> > pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> > the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>

No they aren't. They're regular (small) table sized.

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sf

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
>> >> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
>> >> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>> >
>> > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>> >
>> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>> >
>> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>
>John Kuthe...

They don't fit in pockets either, they're huge so the restaurant staff
can't easily steal them nor would they want to... those grotesque
hunks of wood employ lousy grinder mechanisms, and they have no
greater capacity than normal sized pepper mills.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >
> > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> (snippage)
>
> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
>
I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
because it's so silly and pretentious.

--

sf

On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
>>>
>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>> (snippage)
>>
>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>> pepper over your food at the table
>>
> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> because it's so silly and pretentious.
>
LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>

Jill

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 4:57:38 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >
> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> because it's so silly and pretentious.


MY guess would be that since even small fancy restaurants have at least ten(?) tables, the management doesn't want the waiters to waste time by constantly refilling the grinders. That would be one reasonable explanation for the size, anyway.

Lenona.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:39:40 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>>
>> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>>
>>
>> Lenona.
>
>I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>
>I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers. Freshly ground stuff makes a lot of sense at the table because that pungent smell really gets your appetite going. Using it while cooking is a waste of volatile oils. I have a big container of peppercorns that I use for adobo - I use it whole and it's just great!

Why don't you get yourself one of those Kitchenaid coffee grinders and
grind up a small jar full? Grind as much as you will use in a week or
a month. It is still better than pre-ground from the store.
http://tinyurl.com/z68kt8s

you can tell that I disagree about using fresh ground in cooking

Janet US

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:12:13 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:39:40 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
> >>
> >> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
> >>
> >>
> >> Lenona.
> >
> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers. Freshly ground stuff makes a lot of sense at the table because that pungent smell really gets your appetite going. Using it while cooking is a waste of volatile oils. I have a big container of peppercorns that I use for adobo - I use it whole and it's just great!
>
> Why don't you get yourself one of those Kitchenaid coffee grinders and
> grind up a small jar full? Grind as much as you will use in a week or
> a month. It is still better than pre-ground from the store.
> http://tinyurl.com/z68kt8s
>
> you can tell that I disagree about using fresh ground in cooking
>
> Janet US

I like that idea. I'll be on the lookout for a cheap blade-type coffee grinder. Thanks!

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:12:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>
> you can tell that I disagree about using fresh ground in cooking
>
> Janet US

So you don't believe in using aromatics in cooking?

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:27:34 -0800 (PST), Helpful person
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:12:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>>
>> you can tell that I disagree about using fresh ground in cooking
>>
>> Janet US
>
>So you don't believe in using aromatics in cooking?
>
>http://www.richardfisher.com

I was a first reply to dsi1. I was responding to the original posting
that said using fresh ground in cooking was ridiculous.... I was
saying I didn't agree with that.
Janet US

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:12:13 PM UTC-6, Janet B wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:39:40 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
> >>
> >> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
> >>
> >>
> >> Lenona.
> >
> >I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >
> >I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers. Freshly ground stuff makes a lot of sense at the table because that pungent smell really gets your appetite going. Using it while cooking is a waste of volatile oils. I have a big container of peppercorns that I use for adobo - I use it whole and it's just great!
>
> Why don't you get yourself one of those Kitchenaid coffee grinders and
> grind up a small jar full? Grind as much as you will use in a week or
> a month. It is still better than pre-ground from the store.
> http://tinyurl.com/z68kt8s
>
> you can tell that I disagree about using fresh ground in cooking
>
> Janet US

POS cheap Chinese JUNK!!! I have a 1940's Kitchenaid A9 coffee mill, made right here in the USA. I bought it off Ebay and it's great!!

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3f&oe=575F40C1

John Kuthe...

On 2/23/2016 11:37 AM, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.
>

The difference is flavor.

Many years ago I had breakfast a a friend's house. Fresh egg from his
chicken and fresh ground pepper. A couple of days later I bought a
pepper grinder and never bought the tasteless powder again.

Pepper starts losing its flavor the second it is ground and exposed to
air. Soon you will be sprinkling black dust with no flavor.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:47:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 2/23/2016 11:37 AM, wrote:
> > I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
> >
> > So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
> >
> >
> > Lenona.
> >
>
> The difference is flavor.
>
> Many years ago I had breakfast a a friend's house. Fresh egg from his
> chicken and fresh ground pepper. A couple of days later I bought a
> pepper grinder and never bought the tasteless powder again.
>
> Pepper starts losing its flavor the second it is ground and exposed to
> air. Soon you will be sprinkling black dust with no flavor.

IMO: pepper "dust" depends on which grind you buy. I hate fine grind
- it's should go straight into the garbage. Coarsely ground pepper is
good for cooking convenience if you don't buy a boatload and use it up
in a couple of months. If you want a lot of bang for the buck without
grinding, try cracked pepper sometime. Your teeth act as the final
pepper grinder and it packs quite a wallop. Not for the faint of
heart.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:47:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2016 11:37 AM, wrote:
>> > I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
>> > less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local
>> > Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>> > peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from
>> > bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>> >
>> > So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time,
>> > is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>> >
>> >
>> > Lenona.
>> >
>>
>> The difference is flavor.
>>
>> Many years ago I had breakfast a a friend's house. Fresh egg from his
>> chicken and fresh ground pepper. A couple of days later I bought a
>> pepper grinder and never bought the tasteless powder again.
>>
>> Pepper starts losing its flavor the second it is ground and exposed to
>> air. Soon you will be sprinkling black dust with no flavor.
>
> IMO: pepper "dust" depends on which grind you buy. I hate fine grind
> - it's should go straight into the garbage. Coarsely ground pepper is
> good for cooking convenience if you don't buy a boatload and use it up
> in a couple of months. If you want a lot of bang for the buck without
> grinding, try cracked pepper sometime. Your teeth act as the final
> pepper grinder and it packs quite a wallop. Not for the faint of
> heart.

I hate the dust and that's usually all you can get in restaurants. I also
don't like the cracked. I had to make do with that for a few days when my
grinder broke. Nope.

On 2/23/2016 11:37 AM, wrote:
> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40% less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>
> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>
>
> Lenona.
>
I think it depends on how much pepper you use. Pepper can lose it's
potency over time but for me it's not a huge factor.

Jill