On 2/24/2016 10:40 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>>
>>> Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger
>>> than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
>>>
>>
>> No they aren't. They're regular (small) table sized.
>
> Most places where I have had servers come around to offer freshly
> ground pepper the grinder has been huge, at least 5 times bigger than
> the largest one we have.
>

The large ones do have an advantage. The server is not in front of your
face grinding if he used a short one. The really big ones are
pretentious though.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 03:01:35 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 05:31:23 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2016 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>> >
>> > I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
>> > either.
>> >
>> I'm *guessing* it's one of those glass jars with a little self-closing
>> pour spout on the top for adding sugar to coffee or tea. Like this:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/zxwfvh4
>
>Thanks.
>>
>> Usually seen in old-timey diners. I can't think of a reason to own or
>> use one.
>>
>Me either!

They're still a great convenience for people that use a lot of sugar
(coffee, tea, cereal, etc.) but nowadays commercial establishments use
packets, they cost more but they cut down on the labor of refilling,
and in public places packets are a lot more sanitary. I don't use
sugar in my coffee but if there are guests I have a sugar bowl. For
cereal I use honey. For baking I keep sugar in a large apothecary
jar, holds five pounds... the scoop is always in the jar.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Anyone who uses pre ground pepper is eating rodent shit, insect parts
> too.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
> > I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> > This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> > has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> > huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> > because it's so silly and pretentious.
> >
> LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>

Huge phallic symbol? Well, we see where your mind is at. You maybe
need
to find a boyfriend that lives closer.

My dick is considered large but it doesn't look anything like a
pepper grinder. hahaha

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> With most peppermills you can adjust the grind but that requires trial
> and error, I have several, each adjusted to a different grind.

You have several and each adjusted to a different grind? lol & BS!

Very little trial and error. With my ONE wooden pepper grinder,
screw the lid on tight to get finely ground pepper. If you want
larger pieces, just loosen the screw appropriately.

When I make steaks, I like cracked pepper. I will loosen the screw
on my pepper grinder just before it comes off. I am quite capable
of adjusting my one grinder for whatever I want.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:45:28 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:57:36 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> >On 2/23/2016 10:42 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 2/23/2016 3:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The truth is that I like a little fresh ground pepper on scrambled
> >>> eggs. It only takes a few grinds. What I'm not going to do is grind
> >>> pepper into a whole pot of stew or for times when I need a good amount
> >>> of black pepper. That's just ridiculous.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Better quality is ridiculous? My Atlas grinder can crank out all you
> >> need for a big pot of stew in less than a minute. I do the same when I
> >> make a rub for smoked brisket too.
> >
> >Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> >I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> >tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> >wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> >should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> >
> >You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> >special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> >time, patience, or wrist.
>
> You're an idiot, certifiable.

So that's what passes for an insult these days? What the heck are you, 10? My granny could come up with a better insult and she's senile. Fail.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:36:42 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> > On 2016-02-23 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more patience than
> > > I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that matter? Would you be able to
> > > tell whether or not I used fresh ground in a stew? Of course you
> > > wouldn't. Would you be able to tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I
> > > should hope so. In these and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> > >
> > > You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel better, or
> > > special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy and don't have the
> > > time, patience, or wrist.
> >
> > There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
> > definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the freshly
> > ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in burgers, meat
> > loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.
>
> Looks like we're in dsi1's camp. There are times it matters, there
> are times it doesn't and we're capable of deciding when to use what.
>
> --
>
> sf

People that think there's only one way to use pepper are watching way too much cooking/food channel/network. I learned to cook by actually cooking and I ain't got no time for such silliness.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:00:35 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:


>So that's what passes for an insult these days? What the heck are you, 10? My granny could come up with a better insult and she's senile. Fail.

One of the best insults I've heard came from a 70 year old woman who
heckled a comedian:

"They want you outside!"

Comedian asks "Who?"

She answers "The people inside"

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:00:35 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>>So that's what passes for an insult these days? What the heck are you, 10?
>>My granny could come up with a better insult and she's senile. Fail.
>
> One of the best insults I've heard came from a 70 year old woman who
> heckled a comedian:
>
> "They want you outside!"
>
> Comedian asks "Who?"
>
> She answers "The people inside"

lol

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:00:35 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
>
> >So that's what passes for an insult these days? What the heck are you, 10? My granny could come up with a better insult and she's senile. Fail.
>
> One of the best insults I've heard came from a 70 year old woman who
> heckled a comedian:
>
> "They want you outside!"
>
> Comedian asks "Who?"
>
> She answers "The people inside"

Now that's what I call heckling!

On 2/24/2016 12:03 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 03:01:35 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 05:31:23 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/24/2016 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>> I'm *guessing* it's one of those glass jars with a little self-closing
>>> pour spout on the top for adding sugar to coffee or tea. Like this:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/zxwfvh4
>>
>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Usually seen in old-timey diners. I can't think of a reason to own or
>>> use one.
>>>
>> Me either!
>
> They're still a great convenience for people that use a lot of sugar
> (coffee, tea, cereal, etc.)

I don't use a lot of sugar, mostly just to make sugar water for
hummingbirds. I never have added sugar to cereal, coffee or tea.

Jill

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:11:54 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>I don't use a lot of sugar, mostly just to make sugar water for
>hummingbirds. I never have added sugar to cereal, coffee or tea.

I have a teaspoon of sugar when somebody makes instant coffee for me,
but *only* to help disguise the taste of instant coffee.
I do buy sugar in 50lb sacks though for home brewing.

On 2016-02-24 11:42 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:35:12 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> There are a lot of things that are seasoned to taste. If old ground
>> pepper's zing has faded, you can add a little more. There are a couple
>> pasta dishes I do where I always use very coarse freshly ground pepper.
>> It doesn't spend much time in the heat and it adds a nice touch of flavour.
>
> With most peppermills you can adjust the grind but that requires trial
> and error, I have several, each adjusted to a different grind.
>


I have two pepper mills. One was a nice looking combination salt shaker
and pepper mill made of teak. It grinds pepper very fine and there is no
adjustment. The other is a Trudeau acrylic similar to this one:
http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/sto...A&gclsrc=aw.ds

You can adjust the grind by not tightening the cap quite as much, but it
adjusts from coarse to very coarse.

On 2016-02-24 11:46 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:49:44 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> I recently found 1.5 ounces of ground pepper for $1, which is maybe 40%
>>> less than what I would pay, per pound, for peppercorns at my local Indian
>>> store. (Incredibly, my local health food stores charge MORE for
>>> peppercorns than the Indian store, even though they sell spices from bulk
>>> bins, unlike in the Indian store!)
>>>
>>> So, given that it IS convenient to buy only a small amount at a time, is
>>> there any good reason not to buy ground pepper?
>>>
>>>
>>> Lenona.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Once ground, it loses its flavor rapidly. So I prefer it not to be
>>> ground.
>>
>> I think Lenona ought to buy whatever suits her best. Her needs and
>> preferences don't have to be the same as everyone else.
>
> People who find others opinions desturbing have no business posting to
> Newsgroups.
>


Does that include TIA judgements?

On 2016-02-24 11:50 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-02-24, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-02-24 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>
>>>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
>>> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
>>> either.
>
>> I assumed it was one of those glass jars with a domed cap with a one way
>> flap. They used to be set out on tables in dinners and coffee shops in
>> the days before we all got paranoid that people were going to poison the
>> sugar and resorted to single serving packets.
>
> Here's a picture of what I'm referring to:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jhhqk7b


This is what I thought was meant :
http://www.cheese-magnet.com/2011/05...n-call-coffee/

>
> Gimme a sugar bowl with a spoon in it, every time. Even those sugar
> dispensers one finds in old diners, the one's with a flap-door over
> the hole, like sf describes. If it's gotta tube, it's junk. I'll
> send mine to anyone who wants it. Seriously. You jes pay shipping.

Not an issue for me. I don't use sugar in coffee and tea, nor does my wife.

On 2016-02-24 12:22 PM, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who uses pre ground pepper is eating rodent shit, insect parts
>> too.
>
> "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
>


Heck, there are allowable limits of rat shit for food.

On 2/23/2016 12:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 4:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 11:04 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> You don't need a lot of time, patience, or wrist strength with one of
>>> these -
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grips-Lewis-Pepper/dp/B003L0OOQM/ref=sr_1_4?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1456261352&sr=1-4&keywords=pepper+grinder>
>>>
>
>> It looks good, I'll consider getting one. My favorite mill has beveled
>> gears and an old-timey look. Unfortunately, it still doesn't grind fast
>> enough for my liking. I'll try a coffee grinder first.
>>
>> http://static.axminster.co.uk/media/.../800292_xl.jpg
>>
>>
> Nice piece of machinery - but it looks more like a nutmeg grinder.
>

I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.

https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html

On 2/24/2016 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>
> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html

I did wonder.
This is a nutmeg grinder -
<http://www.amazon.com/Cole-Mason-Classic-Nutmeg-Grinder/dp/B00Y2Y9YV6/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1456349689&sr=8-32&keywords=nutmeg+grinder>

I use a manualnutmeg grater, myself.

On 2016-02-24 3:14 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:11:54 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I don't use a lot of sugar, mostly just to make sugar water for
>> hummingbirds. I never have added sugar to cereal, coffee or tea.
>
> I have a teaspoon of sugar when somebody makes instant coffee for me,
> but *only* to help disguise the taste of instant coffee.

Does it work? There would still be that odd taste. It is not unlike
using a pine scented air freshener to cover the smell of a fart. It
smells like someone crapped in a pine tree.

> I do buy sugar in 50lb sacks though for home brewing.

I

On 24/02/2016 2:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 12:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/23/2016 4:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2016 11:04 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> You don't need a lot of time, patience, or wrist strength with one of
>>>> these -
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grips-Lewis-Pepper/dp/B003L0OOQM/ref=sr_1_4?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1456261352&sr=1-4&keywords=pepper+grinder>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> It looks good, I'll consider getting one. My favorite mill has beveled
>>> gears and an old-timey look. Unfortunately, it still doesn't grind fast
>>> enough for my liking. I'll try a coffee grinder first.
>>>
>>> http://static.axminster.co.uk/media/.../800292_xl.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Nice piece of machinery - but it looks more like a nutmeg grinder.
>>

It's nothing like a nutmeg mill, which shaves the spice. I've made
several of these as gifts:
http://tiny.cc/c32g9x

>
> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>
> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html

These are the more conventional mechanisms:
http://tiny.cc/2b3g9x

However, they are not of the same quality as Peugeot or some Italian
mechanisms I've seen. I've actually bought used Peugeots in garage sales
in order to retrieve the mechanism.
Graham

On 24/02/2016 2:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
>> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
>> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>>
>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html
>
> I did wonder.
> This is a nutmeg grinder -
> <http://www.amazon.com/Cole-Mason-Classic-Nutmeg-Grinder/dp/B00Y2Y9YV6/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1456349689&sr=8-32&keywords=nutmeg+grinder>
>
That's the type I make.

On 2/24/2016 11:37 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
>> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
>> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>>
>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html
>
> I did wonder.
> This is a nutmeg grinder -
> <http://www.amazon.com/Cole-Mason-Classic-Nutmeg-Grinder/dp/B00Y2Y9YV6/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1456349689&sr=8-32&keywords=nutmeg+grinder>
>
>
> I use a manualnutmeg grater, myself.

That nutmeg looks awfully lonely!

If one has a lathe, he could earn an income, perhaps not quite meager,
but small, turning pepper mills and pens. I got my mill and some turned
pens from a guy that did this. I traded my van for them. What a deal!

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1
> > > wrote:
> > > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the
> > > > > supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better
> > > > > than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time
> > > > > to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate
> > > > > using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> > > >
> > > > Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> > >
> > > I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you
> > > whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that
> > > grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't
> > > that special?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead
> > > > > of shakers.
> > > >
> > > > How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy
> > > > *******s like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag
> > > > but it's not a drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides
> > > > being a lazy ******* you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy
> > > > a grinder but will gladly steal grinders.
> > >
> > > You ain't been paying attention - I've bought choke grinders. I
> > > have 3 or 4 at the moment. I also have a whole shitload of whole
> > > peppercorns. Fail - but at least you gave it that old Br00klynl
> > > try. Hee hee.
> >
> > And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
> > disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
> > wouldn't know that.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> I may have misspoken - I seemed to have dumped all my pepper grinders
> in the last purge. I may have to buy another grinder - oh no!
>
> The truth is that I like a little fresh ground pepper on scrambled
> eggs. It only takes a few grinds. What I'm not going to do is grind
> pepper into a whole pot of stew or for times when I need a good
> amount of black pepper. That's just ridiculous.

Understood. If I need something like 2 TB black ground, I'll grab the
pre-ground as well.

Lumpia for example (my version) needs a TB for every 1.5lbs ground
pork. Now there are grinders that can do that fairly well but I need a
reasonably fine ground for that dish. The pre-ground is just about
right for it.

Now as to price, check Pensey's.

https://www.penzeys.com/online-catal...ndian-black-pe
ppercorns/c-24/p-1387/pd-s

Thats one of several versions.


--

On 2/24/2016 2:27 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the
>>>>>> supermarket and bought those suckers up. I like that better
>>>>>> than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time
>>>>>> to break rhythm and start grinding away endlessly. I hate
>>>>>> using a grinder! It's a real drag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet when you were cooking for the boys on the ship, you
>>>> whipped out your sissy grinder and started gyrating to that
>>>> grind, grind, grind in an effort to entice the lads. Well, isn't
>>>> that special?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead
>>>>>> of shakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy
>>>>> *******s like you, who thinks grinding pepper at home is a drag
>>>>> but it's not a drag to grind pepper at a restaurant... besides
>>>>> being a lazy ******* you are also a cheap ******* who won't buy
>>>>> a grinder but will gladly steal grinders.
>>>>
>>>> You ain't been paying attention - I've bought choke grinders. I
>>>> have 3 or 4 at the moment. I also have a whole shitload of whole
>>>> peppercorns. Fail - but at least you gave it that old Br00klynl
>>>> try. Hee hee.
>>>
>>> And for those who prefer one stop shopping, peppercorns have come in
>>> disposable grinders for years... but he doesn't get out much, so he
>>> wouldn't know that.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I may have misspoken - I seemed to have dumped all my pepper grinders
>> in the last purge. I may have to buy another grinder - oh no!
>>
>> The truth is that I like a little fresh ground pepper on scrambled
>> eggs. It only takes a few grinds. What I'm not going to do is grind
>> pepper into a whole pot of stew or for times when I need a good
>> amount of black pepper. That's just ridiculous.
>
> Understood. If I need something like 2 TB black ground, I'll grab the
> pre-ground as well.
>
> Lumpia for example (my version) needs a TB for every 1.5lbs ground
> pork. Now there are grinders that can do that fairly well but I need a
> reasonably fine ground for that dish. The pre-ground is just about
> right for it.
>
> Now as to price, check Pensey's.
>
> https://www.penzeys.com/online-catal...ndian-black-pe
> ppercorns/c-24/p-1387/pd-s
>
> Thats one of several versions.
>
>

Lumpia? That's good eats! I get my peppercorns from Costco. It's 14oz
for under $10. All I need now is a cheap blade coffee grinder and I'll
be in black pepper heaven.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:59:07 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-24 12:22 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone who uses pre ground pepper is eating rodent shit, insect parts
> >> too.
> >
> > "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
> >
>
>
> Heck, there are allowable limits of rat shit for food.

Which includes whole peppercorns.

--

sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:47:28 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> All I need now is a cheap blade coffee grinder and I'll
> be in black pepper heaven.

Target, $15-20.

--

sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 06:14:57 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/24/2016 5:26 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/23/2016 10:04 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2016-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
> >>
> >> I'll send you one. I've tossed at least 3, so far, but have one
> >> left. Most useless
> >> piece of kitchenware ever invented.
> >>
> >> nb
> >>
> > Gee, thanks! I need more useless kitchenware!
> >
> > Jill
>
> Oh, and nb? In the meantime I'll send you that bundt cake pan... LOL
>
Use it for your vertical chicken. Place vegetables that you want to
cook inside it. Food and Wine: Mad Tips
http://www.foodandwine.com/blogs/201...eeds-bundt-pan

--

sf

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:36:42 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:21:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2016-02-23 3:57 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Obviously, you got a better grinder or you got a lot more
> > > > patience than I or you have one powerful wrist. Does that
> > > > matter? Would you be able to tell whether or not I used fresh
> > > > ground in a stew? Of course you wouldn't. Would you be able to
> > > > tell if it were on eggs or a salad. I should hope so. In these
> > > > and certain other cases, fresh ground makes sense.
> > > >
> > > > You're certainly welcome to grind away if it makes you feel
> > > > better, or special - I won't do it. I'm far too practical a guy
> > > > and don't have the time, patience, or wrist.
> > >
> > > There are some things for which I always grind pepper because it
> > > definitely tastes better. There are other things in which the
> > > freshly ground pepper is not an essential. I use ground pepper in
> > > burgers, meat loaf, sprinkle it on chickens and other roasts.
> >
> > Looks like we're in dsi1's camp. There are times it matters, there
> > are times it doesn't and we're capable of deciding when to use what.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> People that think there's only one way to use pepper are watching way
> too much cooking/food channel/network. I learned to cook by actually
> cooking and I ain't got no time for such silliness.

Probably, with SF, I am in your camp. There's a time for a fresh
pre-ground in my kitchen. I use it up fast enough to not be a problem.
I got a free jar in my last pensey's order of a mixed pepper pre-ground
that is mostly gone now. It lasted about 2 months at 1/4 cup. Still
plenty fresh enough at that level for sausage and such.



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On 2/24/2016 5:36 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/02/2016 2:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/24/2016 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
>>> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
>>> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>>>
>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html
>>
>> I did wonder.
>> This is a nutmeg grinder -
>> <http://www.amazon.com/Cole-Mason-Classic-Nutmeg-Grinder/dp/B00Y2Y9YV6/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1456349689&sr=8-32&keywords=nutmeg+grinder>
>>
>>
> That's the type I make.

Just as gifts, or do you sell them?

jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of
>>>>> shakers.
>>>>
>>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
>>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
>>> pepper over your food at the table
>>>
>> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
>> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
>> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
>> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
>> because it's so silly and pretentious.
>>
> LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>
>
> Jill
>

http://www.hulu.com/watch/19596

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:39:46 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-24 3:14 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:11:54 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> > I have a teaspoon of sugar when somebody makes instant coffee for me,
> > but *only* to help disguise the taste of instant coffee.
>
> Does it work? There would still be that odd taste. It is not unlike
> using a pine scented air freshener to cover the smell of a fart. It
> smells like someone crapped in a pine tree.

The only time I've had instant coffee that tasted fresh was when it
was made in a large quantity... at least a quart of water. Directions
were on the package.

--

sf

On 24 Feb 2016 16:50:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2016-02-24, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > On 2016-02-24 5:04 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:22:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>
> >>> Sugar dispensers? Sorry, I don't have one of those.
>
> >> I have no idea what it is without looking it up - so I guess I don't
> >> either.
>
> > I assumed it was one of those glass jars with a domed cap with a one way
> > flap. They used to be set out on tables in dinners and coffee shops in
> > the days before we all got paranoid that people were going to poison the
> > sugar and resorted to single serving packets.
>
> Here's a picture of what I'm referring to:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jhhqk7b
>
> Mine is a more diamond patterned pear-shaped jar, but this shows a
> good shot of the tube. Basically, you fill the container with sugar
> and the tube is supposed to dispense one "shot" (once?) of sugar each
> time you up-end the dispenser. Problem is, after the first shot every
> tube-full of sugar becomes less and less cuz the level of the
> container determines the amt of each shot in the tube. Basically, the
> thing is a useless PIA after the container is less than half full, cuz
> yer constantly refilling the damn thing to get a full shot of sugar.
>
> Gimme a sugar bowl with a spoon in it, every time. Even those sugar
> dispensers one finds in old diners, the one's with a flap-door over
> the hole, like sf describes. If it's gotta tube, it's junk. I'll
> send mine to anyone who wants it. Seriously. You jes pay shipping.
>

Thanks! Sounds awful. Can the interior tube be removed? If so, why
not give that a try?

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sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:56:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I don't use sugar in coffee and tea, nor does my wife.

I do. I'm an unabashed sugar user. I also put it on my cereal and
berries. Forget milk, I use full fat cream in my coffee.

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sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:40:02 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-24 5:05 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:27:03 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found a couple of cheap bottles of pepper at the supermarket and bought those suckers up.
> >>>>> I like that better than the grinder because when I'm cooking, I don't have time to break rhythm
> >>>>> and start grinding away endlessly. I hate using a grinder! It's a real drag.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then for you cooking is an even bigger PIA
> >>>>
> >>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of shakers.
> >>>>
> >>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> >>> (snippage)
> >>>
> >>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> >>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> >>> pepper over your food at the table rather than just leave a grinder on
> >>> the table. Too many of those fine, upstanding citizens have stolen them.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> Generally the pepper grinders the restaurants have are much bigger than would comfortably fit on the table anyway.
> >>
> >
> > No they aren't. They're regular (small) table sized.
>
> Most places where I have had servers come around to offer freshly
> ground pepper the grinder has been huge, at least 5 times bigger than
> the largest one we have.
>
Never mind. We were cross talking. You were still talking about the
phallic symbol they bring to the table and I'd moved to what's
actually *on* the table because that's what "pepper grinders in
restaurants" means to me.

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sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:42:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-24 5:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/24/2016 4:57 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:59:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/23/2016 1:57 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I wish they'd put grinders on tables at restaurants instead of
> >>>>> shakers.
> >>>>
> >>>> How long do you think they'd last before being stolen by lazy *******s
> >>> (snippage)
> >>>
> >>> I actually agree with you on this one, Sheldon. There's a reason the
> >>> servers at *finer* (note the word finer) restaurants offer to grind
> >>> pepper over your food at the table
> >>>
> >> I hate it when they come at me with that gigantic pepper grinder.
> >> This isn't the 60s. Unless they are stuck in a time warp, everybody
> >> has at least one pepper grinder now and nobody is impressed by that
> >> huge thing. I'm actually embarrassed for the waiter who has to do it,
> >> because it's so silly and pretentious.
> >>
> > LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>
> >
>
>
> Does it distract you too much from your dinner?
> ;-)
>
I despise it. Does it mean that I can only have ground pepper on my
salad? Why can't I have ground pepper on my main dish too? I
actually called them over to grind pepper on my main back in the day
and have a feeling I'm not the only one who did it or else pepper
grinders on the table wouldn't be as common as they are now.

--

sf

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:48:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 2/24/2016 9:54 AM, wrote:
>
> > MY guess would be that since even small fancy restaurants have at least ten(?) tables, the management doesn't want the waiters to waste time by constantly refilling the grinders. That would be one reasonable explanation for the size, anyway.
> >
> > Lenona.
> >
>
> A couple of restaurants have the McCormick grinders on the table. They
> are throw aways.

That's fine with me, just give me a way to grind my own. I'm not like
"Helpful Person" and won't complain that the peppercorns are not
listed as Tellicherry in the ingredient list.

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sf

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 4:35:24 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> On 24/02/2016 2:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On 2/23/2016 12:00 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 2/23/2016 4:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On 2/23/2016 11:04 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> >>>> You don't need a lot of time, patience, or wrist strength with one of
> >>>> these -
> >>>> <http://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grips-Lewis-Pepper/dp/B003L0OOQM/ref=sr_1_4?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1456261352&sr=1-4&keywords=pepper+grinder>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>> It looks good, I'll consider getting one. My favorite mill has beveled
> >>> gears and an old-timey look. Unfortunately, it still doesn't grind fast
> >>> enough for my liking. I'll try a coffee grinder first.
> >>>
> >>> http://static.axminster.co.uk/media/.../800292_xl.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Nice piece of machinery - but it looks more like a nutmeg grinder.
> >>
>
> It's nothing like a nutmeg mill, which shaves the spice. I've made
> several of these as gifts:
> http://tiny.cc/c32g9x
>
> >
> > I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
> > woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
> > attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
> >
> > https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html
>
> These are the more conventional mechanisms:
> http://tiny.cc/2b3g9x
>
> However, they are not of the same quality as Peugeot or some Italian
> mechanisms I've seen. I've actually bought used Peugeots in garage sales
> in order to retrieve the mechanism.
> Graham

Nutmeg grinder! Yep, I bought one a few years back and use it to grate a little nutmeg on each Eggnog Truffle after I dip it in white chocolate compound coating:

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11734579_o.jpg

The nutmegs are kept under the clear plasticd cover. There is one nutmeg loaded in the grinder at a time, inside the black center thing.

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:47:28 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

snip

All I need now is a cheap blade coffee grinder and I'll
>be in black pepper heaven.

It will also grind all your other spices. When I make a rub, I mix it
in there. Normally I clean the barrel out with a piece of paper towel
and put the cover in the dishwasher. If you really need it rubbed
clean, toss in some bread.
Janet US

On 24/02/2016 6:18 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 5:36 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 24/02/2016 2:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2016 4:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen a nutmeg grinder. This pepper mill is typically sold by
>>>> woodworking/lathe supply companies. Typically, the mill would be
>>>> attached to a piece of sometimes exotic woods turned on a lathe.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKGRIND-4B.html
>>>
>>> I did wonder.
>>> This is a nutmeg grinder -
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Cole-Mason-Classic-Nutmeg-Grinder/dp/B00Y2Y9YV6/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1456349689&sr=8-32&keywords=nutmeg+grinder>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That's the type I make.
>
> Just as gifts, or do you sell them?

I haven't one in stock now but would you like one?
Graham

On 2016-02-24 8:36 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:42:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-02-24 5:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> LOL Please don't bring that huge phallic symbol to our table! <G>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Does it distract you too much from your dinner?
>> ;-)
>>
> I despise it. Does it mean that I can only have ground pepper on my
> salad? Why can't I have ground pepper on my main dish too? I
> actually called them over to grind pepper on my main back in the day
> and have a feeling I'm not the only one who did it or else pepper
> grinders on the table wouldn't be as common as they are now.

My wife does not like it when they come around and offer it before she
has even tasted it. She has been known to ask them to come back in a few
minutes.
FWIW... I have not seen any places around here that have pepper mills on
the table.