We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
£61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
to dinner it will be lamb!

"Broadback" > wrote in message
...
> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb, cutup
> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what each
> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to dinner
> it will be lamb!

Enjoy I've never had the pleasure

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On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Broadback" > wrote in message
...
>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb, cutup
>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what each
>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to dinner
>> it will be lamb!
>
>Enjoy I've never had the pleasure

Really? Aren't you in the U.K?

On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb, cutup
>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what each
>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to dinner
>>> it will be lamb!
>>
>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>
> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>
Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis,
for that matter.

Jill

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:43:25 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb, cutup
>>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what each
>>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to dinner
>>>> it will be lamb!
>>>
>>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>>
>> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>>
>Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis,
>for that matter.

No, but I thought it was common over there?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:43:25 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>>>> cutup
>>>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what
>>>>> each
>>>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump
>>>>> chops,
>>>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to
>>>>> dinner
>>>>> it will be lamb!
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>>>
>>> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>>>
>>Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis,
>>for that matter.
>
> No, but I thought it was common over there?

Lamb is I meant going to Wales to buy some)

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>>> cutup
>>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what
>>>> each
>>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to
>>>> dinner
>>>> it will be lamb!
>>>
>>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>>
>> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>>
> Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis, for
> that matter.

No, not the haggis but we do eat lamb and this thread just reminded me to go
down to the freezer and haul a lump out for Sunday dinner)))))

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:42:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>>>> cutup
>>>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what
>>>>> each
>>>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>>>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to
>>>>> dinner
>>>>> it will be lamb!
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>>>
>>> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>>>
>> Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis, for
>> that matter.

See, Ophelia can speak for herself...

>No, not the haggis but we do eat lamb and this thread just reminded me to go
>down to the freezer and haul a lump out for Sunday dinner)))))

Had a nice slow cooked leg earlier in the week and lamb pie yesterday!

On Friday, July 19, 2013 3:42:51 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 7/18/2013 5:27 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> "Broadback" > wrote in message
>
> >>> ...
>
> >>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>
> >>>> cutup
>
> >>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what
>
> >>>> each
>
> >>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>
> >>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>
> >>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>
> >>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to
>
> >>>> dinner
>
> >>>> it will be lamb!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>
> >>
>
> >> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?
>
> >>
>
> > Just because she's in the U.K. doesn't mean she eats lamb. Or Haggis, for
>
> > that matter.
>
>
>
> No, not the haggis but we do eat lamb and this thread just reminded me to go
>
> down to the freezer and haul a lump out for Sunday dinner)))))
>
>
>
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>
> --
>
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Actually, lamb in Britain is notorious for actually being mutton.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:09:30 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Broadback" > wrote in message
...
>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>> cutup
>>> before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained what each
>>> cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we could not
>>> remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg, chump chops,
>>> chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at £61.73,
>>> including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come to dinner
>>> it will be lamb!
>>
>>Enjoy I've never had the pleasure
>
> Really? Aren't you in the U.K?

Yes I'm in Scotland. But, what I meant was I have never bought lamb in
Wales

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On 7/19/2013 3:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> Yes I'm in Scotland. But, what I meant was I have never bought lamb in
> Wales
>
And Scottish hill-raised lamb is delicious.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/19/2013 3:42 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Yes I'm in Scotland. But, what I meant was I have never bought lamb in
>> Wales
>>
> And Scottish hill-raised lamb is delicious.

It is indeed)

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On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:47:53 AM UTC-4, Broadback wrote:
> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
> to dinner it will be lamb!

My favorite meat, and you can't get better than Welsh lamb.
Did the butcher talk about aging?

http://www.richardfisher.com

"Helpful person" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:47:53 AM UTC-4, Broadback wrote:
> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
> to dinner it will be lamb!

My favorite meat, and you can't get better than Welsh lamb.
---------------------------
Welsh lamb, English lamb and Pré de salé lamb are all excellent.
Graham

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:47:53 +0100, Broadback
> wrote:

> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
>what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
>could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
>chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
>£61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
>to dinner it will be lamb!

£61.73, OMG... that's over AUD$100 for a side of lamb.
A side of lamb retails in Oz for roughly £20-£30, or in my back
paddock for free (aside from the dressing and butchering). Food is
expensive in some countries. Did you get the lambs fry etc. with it?

On 18/07/2013 22:26, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:47:53 +0100, Broadback
> > wrote:
>
>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
>> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
>> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
>> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
>> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
>> to dinner it will be lamb!
>
> £61.73, OMG... that's over AUD$100 for a side of lamb.
> A side of lamb retails in Oz for roughly £20-£30, or in my back
> paddock for free (aside from the dressing and butchering). Food is
> expensive in some countries. Did you get the lambs fry etc. with it?
>
If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
to Welsh lamb.

On Friday, July 19, 2013 7:37:22 AM UTC-4, Broadback wrote:
>
> If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there
> is no comparison to Welsh lamb.

I've only had frozen New Zealand lamb. How does it compare fresh?

http://www.richardfisher.com

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 7:37:22 AM UTC-4, Broadback wrote:
> >
> > If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there
> > is no comparison to Welsh lamb.
>
> I've only had frozen New Zealand lamb. How does it compare fresh?

Horrible. Even in NZ :-)

Janet UK

On 19/07/2013 13:29, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Friday, July 19, 2013 7:37:22 AM UTC-4, Broadback wrote:
>>>
>>> If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there
>>> is no comparison to Welsh lamb.
>>
>> I've only had frozen New Zealand lamb. How does it compare fresh?
>
> Horrible. Even in NZ :-)
>
> Janet UK
>
Do you mean that it tastes horrible fresh, or frozen, or both? It
certainly is not a patch on Welsh lamb!

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:37:22 +0100, Broadback
> wrote:

>On 18/07/2013 22:26, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:47:53 +0100, Broadback
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
>>> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
>>> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
>>> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
>>> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
>>> to dinner it will be lamb!
>>
>> £61.73, OMG... that's over AUD$100 for a side of lamb.
>> A side of lamb retails in Oz for roughly £20-£30, or in my back
>> paddock for free (aside from the dressing and butchering). Food is
>> expensive in some countries. Did you get the lambs fry etc. with it?
>>
>If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
>to Welsh lamb.

Australia is a big country, with a wide range of environments. What
lamb gets exported overseas, I don't know, other than most likely from
inland areas.

I've always wanted to try salt marsh lamb like that raised in the UK
and Europe.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 05:22:49 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:37:22 +0100, Broadback
> wrote:
>
>>On 18/07/2013 22:26, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:47:53 +0100, Broadback
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>>> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
>>>> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
>>>> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
>>>> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
>>>> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
>>>> to dinner it will be lamb!
>>>
>>> £61.73, OMG... that's over AUD$100 for a side of lamb.
>>> A side of lamb retails in Oz for roughly £20-£30, or in my back
>>> paddock for free (aside from the dressing and butchering). Food is
>>> expensive in some countries. Did you get the lambs fry etc. with it?
>>>
>>If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
>>to Welsh lamb.
>
>Australia is a big country, with a wide range of environments. What
>lamb gets exported overseas, I don't know, other than most likely from
>inland areas.
>
>I've always wanted to try salt marsh lamb like that raised in the UK
>and Europe.

You can get salt bush lamb widely in mainland Oz, and even coastal
lamb that grazes for the large part on seaweed (harder to get).

Comparing lamb by country is a bit silly IMO. Often they are different
breeds and, within Australia at least, have vastly different grazing
environments. Lamb from the wetter parts of SW WA is going to be very
different than lamb raised on the drier inland areas, both in taste
and texture.

I think people often mostly like what they are used to. I prefer
hogget (1 - 2 years old, 2 or 4 tooth) rather than lamb, and even a
slow roasted leg of mutton now and again.

I have had lamb from the US a few times and to my taste it was, well
tasteless, reason being is that it is mostly grain finished. Had some
great lamb from NZ and all sorts of vastly different lamb from all
over Australia.

JB

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:34:51 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

> I think people often mostly like what they are used to.

I can agree with that.

> I prefer
> hogget (1 - 2 years old, 2 or 4 tooth) rather than lamb, and even a
> slow roasted leg of mutton now and again.

I'm pretty sure old "lamb" is part of the problem. I know regulations
changed here to call any aged sheep "lamb"; probably so Australian
imports would pass muster.
>
> I have had lamb from the US a few times and to my taste it was, well
> tasteless, reason being is that it is mostly grain finished. Had some
> great lamb from NZ and all sorts of vastly different lamb from all
> over Australia.

I'm curious now about the salt bush lamb and coastal
lamb (that grazes partly on seaweed). Are they just local and super
hard to find or are they served in Australian restaurants?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"JBurns" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 05:22:49 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> Comparing lamb by country is a bit silly IMO.

More than a bit!
I used to buy a side of lamb every few weeks when I lived in WA and it was
really good. We nearly always had English lamb at home, including a quarter
of the first spring lamb to be slaughtered by the local butcher.
I doubt that anyone here could tell the difference between Welsh, #1 grade
NZ*, English or Alberta. They can all be superb.

*There were 2 butchers in the village. One sold a cheaper grade of NZ lamb
than the other.

Graham

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:34:51 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 05:22:49 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:37:22 +0100, Broadback
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18/07/2013 22:26, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:47:53 +0100, Broadback
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have just been into Welsh Wales a bought ourselves half a lamb,
>>>>> cutup before our very eyes by the butcher. As he cut it he explained
>>>>> what each cut was. However, when we got home, surprise, surprise, we
>>>>> could not remember which was which. Well some were obvious, EG, leg,
>>>>> chump chops, chops and shoulder, some however remain a mystery, but at
>>>>> £61.73, including 6 sausages, it was a bargain. so if you wish to come
>>>>> to dinner it will be lamb!
>>>>
>>>> £61.73, OMG... that's over AUD$100 for a side of lamb.
>>>> A side of lamb retails in Oz for roughly £20-£30, or in my back
>>>> paddock for free (aside from the dressing and butchering). Food is
>>>> expensive in some countries. Did you get the lambs fry etc. with it?
>>>>
>>>If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
>>>to Welsh lamb.
>>
>>Australia is a big country, with a wide range of environments. What
>>lamb gets exported overseas, I don't know, other than most likely from
>>inland areas.
>>
>>I've always wanted to try salt marsh lamb like that raised in the UK
>>and Europe.
>
>You can get salt bush lamb widely in mainland Oz, and even coastal
>lamb that grazes for the large part on seaweed (harder to get).

Next time I head over to the mainland (whichever decade that'll be )
I'll keep my eye out for salt bush or seaweed lamb, especially the
latter as it's especially piqued my interest. Thanks.

>Comparing lamb by country is a bit silly IMO. Often they are different
>breeds and, within Australia at least, have vastly different grazing
>environments.

Agreed, it's a big country with a wide range of environments, as you
say.

>Lamb from the wetter parts of SW WA is going to be very
>different than lamb raised on the drier inland areas, both in taste
>and texture.
>
>I think people often mostly like what they are used to.

For sure.

> I prefer
>hogget (1 - 2 years old, 2 or 4 tooth) rather than lamb, and even a
>slow roasted leg of mutton now and again.

Also agree and my 'lamb' is usually closer to hogget than lamb.
More flavour. Still, I also don't mind some spring lamb occasionally
for a change.

>I have had lamb from the US a few times and to my taste it was, well
>tasteless, reason being is that it is mostly grain finished. Had some
>great lamb from NZ and all sorts of vastly different lamb from all
>over Australia.

Not a fan of grain fed beef or lamb myself.

On 7/19/13 7:37 AM, Broadback wrote:

> If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
> to Welsh lamb.

I would agree that there's no *point* to this comparison, unless you
travel to both places and eat the best on offer there.

We enjoy New Zealand lamb, Colorado lamb (in Colorado), and Welsh lamb
(in Wales, at sunset, with other lambs gamboling in the pasture about 20
feet away). They can all be great, and they can all be sub-standard.

But I would agree that Welsh lamb has the best batting average, with
Colorado lamb second. Of course, that may well be because we don't get
the best NZ lamb in the US -- only mass production export meat. I'd bet
heavily on that.

-- Larry

On 20/07/2013 04:14, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 7/19/13 7:37 AM, Broadback wrote:
>
>> If Australian lamb is like New Zealand lamb then there is no comparison
>> to Welsh lamb.
>
> I would agree that there's no *point* to this comparison, unless you
> travel to both places and eat the best on offer there.
>
> We enjoy New Zealand lamb, Colorado lamb (in Colorado), and Welsh lamb
> (in Wales, at sunset, with other lambs gamboling in the pasture about 20
> feet away). They can all be great, and they can all be sub-standard.
>
> But I would agree that Welsh lamb has the best batting average, with
> Colorado lamb second. Of course, that may well be because we don't get
> the best NZ lamb in the US -- only mass production export meat. I'd bet
> heavily on that.
>
> -- Larry
>
When I go walking, if bothered by sheep I simply Shout "Mint sauce!" and
off they go!

On 20/07/2013 4:11 AM, Broadback wrote:
>
>> But I would agree that Welsh lamb has the best batting average, with
>> Colorado lamb second. Of course, that may well be because we don't get
>> the best NZ lamb in the US -- only mass production export meat. I'd bet
>> heavily on that.
>>
>> -- Larry
>>
> When I go walking, if bothered by sheep I simply Shout "Mint sauce!" and
> off they go!


Is that because they are offended by sauce and prefer jelly?