Sqwertz wrote:

> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> stores too?
>
> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
> customers or dogs at any given time.
>
> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> Why?
>
> -sw

Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

BTW, we do have some limited area beach access for dogs (on leashes).

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 18:22:12 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> stores too?
>>
>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>>
>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> Why?
>>
>> -sw
>
>Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
>allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>
>BTW, we do have some limited area beach access for dogs (on leashes).

"Our folks are a bit more savvy on such"... it's almost poetry.

--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 09:40:11 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 18:22:12 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>>> stores too?
>>>
>>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
>>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>>>
>>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>>Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
>>allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>>animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>>
>>BTW, we do have some limited area beach access for dogs (on leashes).
>
>"Our folks are a bit more savvy on such"... it's almost poetry.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> stores too?
>>
>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>>
>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> Why?
>>
>> -sw
>
> Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
> allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.

I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.

Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
it. lol

I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
weirdo as "normal."

IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
stress.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>
>Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>it. lol
>
>I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>
>I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
>weirdo as "normal."

We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
change all public toilets to gender neutral.

>IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
>home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
>order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
>stress.

That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
have our weaker moments.

--
Bruce

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
> Just because 0.001% of the
> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
> change all public toilets to gender neutral.

Really? Is that happening?

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:42:40 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
>> Just because 0.001% of the population don't know if they're a man or a
>> woman is no reason to change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>
> Really? Is that happening?

Not publicly yet. I worked for the Defence Department a few years back,
and all the washrooms had the 'M/F' signs removed. By the time I left,
many of their washrooms had user-written signs with 'Urinals' / 'No
urinals' posted which the management left in place, presumably for the
benefits of those 'in a hurry'.

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:42:43 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
> > Just because 0.001% of the
> > population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
> > change all public toilets to gender neutral.
> Really? Is that happening?
>
> Cindy Hamiltom


Yup...

And in the non - profit sector it's virtually a fetish...almost as widespread as the use of the terms "Latinx" or "equity"...

As long as they are single - use and a lockable door, no worries...

--
GM

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:42:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
>> Just because 0.001% of the
>> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>> change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>
>Really? Is that happening?

Gender indications on passports are disappearing. Schools are banning
the use of phrases like "boys and girls", because that's very
confronting for those who are neither.

--
Bruce

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 05:53:46 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:42:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:34:15 AM UTC-4, "somebody" wrote:
>>> Just because 0.001% of the
>>> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>>> change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>>
>>Really? Is that happening?
>
>Gender indications on passports are disappearing. Schools are banning
>the use of phrases like "boys and girls", because that's very
>confronting for those who are neither.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:34:08 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>>6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>>nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>
>>Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>>it. lol
>>
>>I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>
>>I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>>though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
>>weirdo as "normal."
>
>We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
>would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
>population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>
>>IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
>>home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
>>order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
>>stress.
>
>That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
>have our weaker moments.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:34:15 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
> >6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
> >nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> >Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
> >it. lol
> >
> >I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
> >
> >I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> >though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
> >weirdo as "normal."
> We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
> would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
> change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>
If there were fully enclosed toileting stalls then the issue would be a
non issue. I even think that there's a good chance that handwashing
habits would improve if the sink area was unisex.
>
> --
> Bruce
>
--Bryan

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:34:15 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 08:26:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>> >6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>> >nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> >Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>> >it. lol
>> >
>> >I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>> >
>> >I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> >though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
>> >weirdo as "normal."
>> We should accept every "weirdo" and I do. But I do wish the "weirdos"
>> would stop their attention seeking. Just because 0.001% of the
>> population don't know if they're a man or a woman is no reason to
>> change all public toilets to gender neutral.
>>
>If there were fully enclosed toileting stalls then the issue would be a
>non issue. I even think that there's a good chance that handwashing
>habits would improve if the sink area was unisex.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>>
>--Bryan
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 2021-06-13, Bruce > wrote:

> That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
> have our weaker moments.

It has been my experience, over my lifetime, that when one asks me to
keep an open mind, they are really telling me to "Think like them". The
hell with that!
If you disagree, you're being narrow-minded. See how that works?

leo

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2021-06-13, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
>> have our weaker moments.
>
> It has been my experience, over my lifetime, that when one asks me to
> keep an open mind, they are really telling me to "Think like them". The
> hell with that!
> If you disagree, you're being narrow-minded. See how that works?
>
> leo
>

Master doctor druce was just distracting you, while vigorously
sniffing your ass.

On 15 Jun 2021 00:20:26 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-13, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> That's rather crude, insensitive and narrow-minded, but then we all
>> have our weaker moments.
>
>It has been my experience, over my lifetime, that when one asks me to
>keep an open mind, they are really telling me to "Think like them". The
>hell with that!

Bloody Marxists!

>If you disagree, you're being narrow-minded. See how that works?

Hmm... does that mean I can't call anybody narrow-minded anymore?

--
Bruce

On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>>> stores too?
>>>
>>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.* And any
>>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>>>
>>> Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
>>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
>> allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>
> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
> 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
> nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>
> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
> it.* lol
>
> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.

Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
my food.

>
> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
> weirdo as "normal."

Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.

>
> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
> home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
> order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
> stress.

That works for me.


>

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:02:45 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>>>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>>>> stores too?
>>>>
>>>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>>>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>>>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>>>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.* And any
>>>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>>>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>>>>
>>>> Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
>>>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
>>> allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>>> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>>
>> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>> 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>> nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>
>> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>> it.* lol
>>
>> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>
>Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
>shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
>my food.
>
>>
>> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept any
>> weirdo as "normal."
>
>Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.
>
>>
>> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
>> home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
>> order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
>> stress.
>
>That works for me.
>
>
>>
Did you really find dog hair on your produce?

On 2021-06-13 11:14 a.m., US Janet wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:02:45 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side, stay
>>> home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let your pet
>>> order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying over daily
>>> stress.
>>
>> That works for me.
>>
>>
>>>
> Did you really find dog hair on your produce?
>

Did I say that I did? But since you ask, I had dog hair in my produce,
on my baked goods, in my cooking. I have no doubt it happened at home
and was from my own dogs. I have had several dogs that shed a lot, and
there was dog hair everywhere. Being a dog lover, I never worried about
it much, but I guarantee you that a lot of people would be grossed out.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people
> > > > in other states take their obviously non-service dogs into
> > > > grocery stores too?
> > > >
> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek
> > > > out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes -
> > > > sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get
> > > > past them.* And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or
> > > > growling at other customers or dogs at any given time.
> > > >
> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
> > > > store? Why?
> > > >
> > > > -sw
> > >
> > > Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
> > > do not allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional
> > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
> > > it's common.
> >
> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> > calling it.* lol
> >
> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>
> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing
> dog shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them
> around my food.
>
> >
> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
> > any weirdo as "normal."
>
> Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.
>
> >
> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly
> > crying over daily stress.
>
> That works for me.
>
>
> >

Dave, if it's an actual service animal (not 'support') then it's well
trained and won't mess on the floor in a grocery store or grab meat out
of the meat shelves or anything like that.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people
>> > > > in other states take their obviously non-service dogs into
>> > > > grocery stores too?
>> > > >
>> > > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
>> > > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek
>> > > > out of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes -
>> > > > sometimes 2 or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get
>> > > > past them.* And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or
>> > > > growling at other customers or dogs at any given time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is this just as common in others cities and states?* Do you or
>> > > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery
>> > > > store? Why?
>> > > >
>> > > > -sw
>> > >
>> > > Never seen it here.* Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and
>> > > do not allow them in.* Randomly though you do hear of emotional
>> > > support animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if
>> > > it's common.
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> > about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
>> > Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> > calling it.* lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>
>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing
>> dog shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them
>> around my food.
>>
>> >
>> > I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> > though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
>> > any weirdo as "normal."
>>
>> Maybe those people just need a little dollie or a teddy bear.
>>
>> >
>> > IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
>> > stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
>> > your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly
>> > crying over daily stress.
>>
>> That works for me.
>>
>>
>> >
>
>Dave, if it's an actual service animal (not 'support') then it's well
>trained and won't mess on the floor in a grocery store or grab meat out
>of the meat shelves or anything like that.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 21:13:13 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe
> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>in Message-ID: >
>cshenk wrote :
>
>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>
>I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they want
>the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>
>"Support" animals are a different ball game.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

heyjoe wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
> in Message-ID: >
> cshenk wrote :
>
> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>
> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>
> "Support" animals are a different ball game.

Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>heyjoe wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>> in Message-ID: >
>> cshenk wrote :
>>
>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>
>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>
>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
>
>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....

These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
walk into a support animal.

--
Bruce

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:13:05 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>heyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>>> in Message-ID: >
>>> cshenk wrote :
>>>
>>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>>
>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
>>
>>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....
>
>These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
>walk into a support animal.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 6/14/2021 2:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
>> heyjoe wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>>> in Message-ID: >
>>> cshenk wrote :
>>>
>>>> if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>>
>>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
>>
>> Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>> have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....
>
> These days, I don't leave the house much anymore. I'm too afraid to
> walk into a support animal.

Modern times have gone all to hell. No matter what you do or don't do,
someone will have a problem with it.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:38:59 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>heyjoe wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:59:55 -0500
>> in Message-ID: >
>> cshenk wrote :
>>
>> > if it's an actual service animal (not 'support')
>>
>> I could be wrong, but folks using true service dogs are covered by the
>> ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) which is Federal law. A store
>> owner may not refuse to let those animals in the store, unless they
>> want the full weight of the Feds to come down on them for refusal.
>>
>> "Support" animals are a different ball game.
>
>Exactly. Support animals have *no* training requirements at all. WE do
>have *service* level trained dogs for PTSD you know....
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> >>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> >>> stores too?
> >>>
> >>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
> >>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
> >>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
> >>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
> >>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
> >>> customers or dogs at any given time.
> >>>
> >>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> >>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> >>> Why?
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
> >> allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> >> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
> >
> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
> >
> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
> > it. lol
> >
> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
> my food.
>
How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.
>
--Bryan

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>> > it. lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
>> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
>> my food.
>>
>How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
>with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
>legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.

14 year old fun.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:12:05 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>>> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>>> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>> >
>>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>>> > it. lol
>>> >
>>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
>>> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
>>> my food.
>>>
>>How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
>>with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
>>legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.
>
>14 year old fun.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> Sqwertz wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> >>> other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> >>> stores too?
>> >>>
>> >>> Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to make
>> >>> them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out of
>> >>> purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2 or 3
>> >>> wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them. And any
>> >>> number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at other
>> >>> customers or dogs at any given time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> >>> somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> >>> Why?
>> >>>
>> >>> -sw
>> >>
>> >> Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do not
>> >> allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>> >> animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>> >
>> > I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store about
>> > 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too. Nice lady,
>> > nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>> >
>> > Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was calling
>> > it. lol
>> >
>> > I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>> Not everyone likes to have dog hair on their fresh produce or seeing dog
>> shit or **** on the floors. I love dogs, but I don't want them around
>> my food.
>>
>How much fun would it be to have a dog whistle, and when you see someone
>with a non-service dog, discreetly blow it, and get the dog all riled up. Miss
>legally blonde would be clueless as to why her little pookie was acting up.
>>
>--Bryan
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

Gary wrote:

> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
> > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
> > > stores too?
> > >
> > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
> > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
> > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
> > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
> > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
> > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
> > >
> > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
> > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > -sw
> >
> > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
> > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
> > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>
> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
> about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
> Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>
> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
> calling it. lol
>
> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>
> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
> any weirdo as "normal."
>
> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
> stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
> your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
> over daily stress.

LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.

The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
the system.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2021 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is this just an Austin, Texas phenomenon, or do a lot of people in
>> > > other states take their obviously non-service dogs into grocery
>> > > stores too?
>> > >
>> > > Some dogs sit in carts or the baby seats, some get blankets to
>> > > make them comfy, some are being clutched to chests, some peek out
>> > > of purses, and even others are on 8-14 foot leashes - sometimes 2
>> > > or 3 wide at a time in the aisles so nobody can get past them.
>> > > And any number of them can be barking, yapping, or growling at
>> > > other customers or dogs at any given time.
>> > >
>> > > Is this just as common in others cities and states? Do you or
>> > > somebody you know take your non-service dog into a grocery store?
>> > > Why?
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> >
>> > Never seen it here. Our folks are a bit more saavy on such and do
>> > not allow them in. Randomly though you do hear of emotional support
>> > animals causing problems at the beach. Gary may know if it's common.
>>
>> I did see a "service dog" in my beach Harris Teeter grocery store
>> about 6 months ago. I talked with the woman for a few minutes too.
>> Nice lady, nice little furry (fur over eyes) white dog.
>>
>> Note: it wasn't some official service dog. That's what she was
>> calling it. lol
>>
>> I had no problem with the dog in the store but others might have.
>>
>> I have my reservations about all this support/service animal crap
>> though. It's just continuing liberal nonsense that we should accept
>> any weirdo as "normal."
>>
>> IMO, if you can't even go to a store without your pet by your side,
>> stay home and order everything to be delivered. Even better...let
>> your pet order the food while you sit nearby in a chair softly crying
>> over daily stress.
>
>LOL, ok that's 2 at Harris Teeters (your's by the beach) but your's is
>a lady and mine is a guy also named Gary with a bonified Service guide
>dog. I'm with it on the actual service animal.
>
>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>the system.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

snip
>
>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>the system.

I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
Janet US

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:19:35 -0600, US Janet >
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>>the system.
>
>I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>Janet US
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

US Janet wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
> > the system.
>
> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
> Janet US

No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.
>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US
>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

Yep, support animals... a huge problem! lol

--
Bruce

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:11:19 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>US Janet wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>> >
>>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>>> > the system.
>>>
>>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>>> Janet US
>>
>>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.
>
>Yep, support animals... a huge problem! lol
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.
>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US
>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:27:41 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:54:54 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > The 'support animals' are pretty much bogus due to a lot of abuse of
>> > the system.
>>
>> I hope that you aren't voicing that opinion elsewhere. You, and none
>> of us have the ability to judge the need for a support animal. PTSD
>> isn't limited to ex-military and the need for a support animal isn't
>> limited to PTSD. Specialty dogs are trained for all sorts of needs.
>> I guess we all just need to be kind and understanding.
>> Janet US
>
>No, too many have abused that 'support animal' now. Sorry, but while a
>few are well trained, so many are not and they have been known to bite
>people on airplanes who were forced to sit with them.

I am sure that is a big statistic. I will not refuse solace to
someone who needs it,
Janet US