Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.

Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.

I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.

On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>
> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>
> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>


Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.

YUM!

On 8/29/2020 7:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>
> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>
> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> personal taste.Â* We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.

What a coinkydink! <G> I was thinking about making Sloppy Joes tomorrow
night. I have some hot Italian sausage and ground beef. Jarred tomato
sauce. Cheeses hadn't occurred to me but I do have a few different
types including cheddar, parm and grated mozz. "Italian" or not, I'll
have to take a couple of Tums or bicarb first because tomatoes don't
agree with me anymore. But yes, I thought hmmm, Sloppy Joes. And here
you are posting about them.

Jill

On 8/29/2020 7:57 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>
>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>
>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>> personal taste.Â* We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>
>
>
> Buns?Â* French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>
> YUM!

Yes, but could not get a decent bread today so you work with what is
available.

On 8/29/2020 8:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/29/2020 7:57 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>
>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>
>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>> personal taste.Â* We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Buns?Â* French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>
>> YUM!
>
> Yes, but could not get a decent bread today so you work with what is
> available.

Besides that, Sloppy Joes, regardless of the ingredients or the moniker,
really do require "buns".

Jill

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >
> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >
> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >
>
> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>
> YUM!

I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
sandwich even sloppier.

Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
with you about using a French of Italian bread.

Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
French

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>> >
>> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>> >
>> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>> >
>>
>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>
>> YUM!
>
>I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>sandwich even sloppier.
>
>Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>
>Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>French

Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >> >
> >> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >>
> >> YUM!
> >
> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >
> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >
> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >French
>
> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.

Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.

If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
bread. I'm not that picky.

On 8/30/2020 2:26 AM, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>
>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>
>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>
>>
>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>
>> YUM!
>
> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> sandwich even sloppier.
>

the jus will soften the bread.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:57:57 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >
> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >
> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >
> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>
> YUM!

"Bun" is a shape. You can make buns out of really good bread dough.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> > On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> > >
> > > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> > > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> > >
> > > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> > > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> > >
> >
> > Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >
> > YUM!
> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> sandwich even sloppier.

At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.

> Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> with you about using a French of Italian bread.

I can't remember the last time I had bread _and_ pasta.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> >sandwich even sloppier.
>> >
>> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>> >
>> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>> >French
>>
>> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>
>Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.

Not really.

>If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>bread. I'm not that picky.

I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
bread.

On 8/30/2020 4:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>>
>>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>>
>>> YUM!
>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> sandwich even sloppier.
>
> At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
>

Exactly.

But even on a "bun", don't people use a fork at least?

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> > on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> > sandwich even sloppier.
>
> At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.

Cindy...only YOU would eat a sloppy joe with knife and fork

> > Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> > with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>
> I can't remember the last time I had bread _and_ pasta.

That's just your diet eating I suspect.
Many people eat pasta with sauce and have some garlic
bread along with it.

For me...
- pasta with red sauce
- tossed salad on the same plate
- couple pieces of garlic bread made from italian
(buttered, garlic and parmesian cheese) broiled to brown

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:32:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> > on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> > sandwich even sloppier.
>>
>> At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
>
>Cindy...only YOU would eat a sloppy joe with knife and fork
>
>> > Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>> > with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I had bread _and_ pasta.
>
>That's just your diet eating I suspect.

You're talking to someone who says she's obese.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >> >
> >> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >> >
> >> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >> >French
> >>
> >> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
> >
> >Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
> >premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>
> Not really.
>
> >If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
> >will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
> >bread. I'm not that picky.
>
> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
> bread.

I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
baguettes or any other variety.

Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
italian is wider and more oval.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> >> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> >> >sandwich even sloppier.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>> >> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>> >> >
>> >> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>> >> >French
>> >>
>> >> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>> >
>> >Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>> >premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> >If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>> >will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>> >bread. I'm not that picky.
>>
>> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
>> bread.
>
>I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
>baguettes or any other variety.
>
>Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
>italian is wider and more oval.

I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
baguette.
<https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 8/30/2020 4:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >>>>
> >>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >>>
> >>> YUM!
> >> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >> sandwich even sloppier.
> >
> > At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
> >
> Exactly.
>
> But even on a "bun", don't people use a fork at least?

It varies. When I put one together, I don't make it very sloppy, so I
can pick it up and eat it. IIRC my husband is a trifle more literal
and his are pretty messy.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:41:03 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Bruce wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >> >> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >> >> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >> >> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >> >> >French
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
> >> >
> >> >Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
> >> >premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
> >>
> >> Not really.
> >>
> >> >If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
> >> >will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
> >> >bread. I'm not that picky.
> >>
> >> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
> >> bread.
> >
> >I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
> >baguettes or any other variety.
> >
> >Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
> >italian is wider and more oval.
> I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
> supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
> baguette.
> <https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>

Those look great.

Supermarket "French" and "Italian" loaves are little more than Wonder bread baked onsite and in a
funny shape. They might have a little more crust on the outside, but they're usually pretty squishy on
the inside.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 jmcquown wrote:
>On 8/29/2020 8:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/29/2020 7:57 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>>
>>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>>> personal taste.* We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>
>>> Buns?* French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>>
>>> YUM!
>>
>> Yes, but could not get a decent bread today so you work with what is
>> available.
>
>Besides that, Sloppy Joes, regardless of the ingredients or the moniker,
>really do require "buns".
>
>Jill

I consider sloppy joe a form of chili/meat sauce... I prefer sloppy
joe on pasta (medium shells) or mixed with dark red kidney beans. Over
bread I'd prefer toasted English muffins. To me "buns" is too
nebulous, could mean sticky buns, or Jill's buns! LOL

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>> >
>> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>> >
>> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>> >
>>
>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>
>> YUM!
>
>I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>sandwich even sloppier.
>
>Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>
>Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>French

There's really no difference other the shape, French is typically a
thinner bagette. Most often sloppy joe is served on a burger bun but
I think that soft bun would become too messy. To eat sloppy joe as a
sandwhich I'd prefer a crusty Kaiser roll... but still the best way
for me is as a meat sauce over pasta.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>> >> >
>> >> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>> >> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>> >> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>> >>
>> >> YUM!
>> >
>> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> >sandwich even sloppier.
>> >
>> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>> >
>> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>> >French
>>
>> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>
>Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>
>If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>bread. I'm not that picky.

It's not possible to be picky about a *sloppy* joe.

On 8/30/2020 4:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:41:03 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>>>>>>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>>>>>>> sandwich even sloppier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>>>>>>> with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>>>>>>> French
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>>>>> premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>>> If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>>>>> will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>>>>> bread. I'm not that picky.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
>>>> bread.
>>>
>>> I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
>>> baguettes or any other variety.
>>>
>>> Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
>>> italian is wider and more oval.
>> I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
>> supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
>> baguette.
>> <https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>
>
> Those look great.
>
> Supermarket "French" and "Italian" loaves are little more than Wonder bread baked onsite and in a
> funny shape. They might have a little more crust on the outside, but they're usually pretty squishy on
> the inside.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Sadly true these days. Not so in days of yore.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 21:40:59 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>> >Bruce wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>>> >> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>>> >> >sandwich even sloppier.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>>> >> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>>> >> >French
>>> >>
>>> >> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>>> >
>>> >Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>>> >premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>> >If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>>> >will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>>> >bread. I'm not that picky.
>>>
>>> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
>>> bread.
>>
>>I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
>>baguettes or any other variety.
>>
>>Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
>>italian is wider and more oval.
>
>I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
>supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
>baguette.
><https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>

The typical French bread is the Baguette, only it's generally thinner
and longer than the typical Italian bread. There are actually several
kinds of Italian breads and several kinds of French bread... some
employ different types of flour yet are the same shape, like Italian
semolina bread, same shape but more dense... for a hero sandwich I
prefer semolena bread. Each country is known for many types of bread
depending on region... one of my favorite Italian breads is pork
bread... contains chunks of chicharone, a bread that's eaten still hot
from the oven by tearing off chunks, not used for sandwiches...
sometimes the shape of a baguette, sometimes the shape of a large
ring.
Most supermarket bakeries are not bakeries, they use frozen dough
already shaped by machine.

On 8/30/2020 7:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>>
>>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>>
>>> YUM!
>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>> sandwich even sloppier.
>
> At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
>
>> Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>> with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>
> I can't remember the last time I had bread _and_ pasta.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I had spinach/cheese tortillini alfredo for dinner last night. With a
side of spinach. <G> Even though I'm not low-carbing, bread with it
would have been a bit too much starch.

Jill

On 8/30/2020 7:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>>>>>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>>>>>> sandwich even sloppier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
>>>>>> with you about using a French of Italian bread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
>>>>>> French
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
>>>>
>>>> Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
>>>> premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>> If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
>>>> will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
>>>> bread. I'm not that picky.
>>>
>>> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
>>> bread.
>>
>> I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
>> baguettes or any other variety.
>>
>> Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
>> italian is wider and more oval.
>
> I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
> supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
> baguette.
> <https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>
>

Difficult to find any that good. In many supermarket bakeries the main
difference between French and Italian seems to be the label.

On 8/30/2020 8:25 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/29/2020 8:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/29/2020 7:57 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>>>
>>>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>>>> personal taste.Â* We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>>
>>>> Buns?Â* French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>>>
>>>> YUM!
>>>
>>> Yes, but could not get a decent bread today so you work with what is
>>> available.
>>
>> Besides that, Sloppy Joes, regardless of the ingredients or the moniker,
>> really do require "buns".
>>
>> Jill
>
> I consider sloppy joe a form of chili/meat sauce... I prefer sloppy
> joe on pasta (medium shells) or mixed with dark red kidney beans. Over
> bread I'd prefer toasted English muffins. To me "buns" is too
> nebulous, could mean sticky buns, or Jill's buns! LOL
>
Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?

Jill

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 4:27:27 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >> >
> >> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >>
> >> YUM!
> >
> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >
> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >
> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >French
> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.

I've had a lot of good French bread, but the Italian bread we buy these days is my favorite. I was driving down to the Italian neighborhood to buy it, but then I realized that the local supermarket has it.
Breakfast this morning was 2 eggs with 2 slices of that bread, toasted and buttered.

--Bryan

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:37:33 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >> >> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >> >> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >> >>
> >> >> YUM!
> >> >
> >> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >> >
> >> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >> >
> >> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >> >French
> >>
> >> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
> >
> >Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
> >premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
> >
> >If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
> >will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
> >bread. I'm not that picky.
> It's not possible to be picky about a *sloppy* joe.

Sure it is. I'm very picky about how they're flavored. Too much sugar is
an epic fail, although the classic sloppy joe is supposed to be a little sweet.
We like to put a generous amount of Tabasco in ours.

I'm less picky about the bread. Squishy white buns are fine; they harmonize
well with the slight sweetness of the meat sauce.

Cindy Hamilton

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> On 8/30/2020 4:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >>>>
> >>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >>>
> >>> YUM!
> >> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >> sandwich even sloppier.
> >
> > At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
> >
>
> Exactly.
>
> But even on a "bun", don't people use a fork at least?

Come on...it's a sandwich. Do you eat a hamburger with a
knife and fork? The europeans probably do. All proper and stuff.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
> Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?

And you all know me...simple tastes. A pound of cooked and
drained ground beast combined with a can of the original
"Manwich" is delicious. No need here to reinvent the wheel.

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
> > Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?
> And you all know me...simple tastes. A pound of cooked and
> drained ground beast combined with a can of the original
> "Manwich" is delicious. No need here to reinvent the wheel.

"Manwich" is reinventing the wheel. Sloppy joes predated Manwich.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> > On 8/30/2020 4:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > >> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> > >>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> > >>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> > >>>
> > >>> YUM!
> > >> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> > >> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> > >> sandwich even sloppier.
> > >
> > > At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
> > >
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > But even on a "bun", don't people use a fork at least?
> Come on...it's a sandwich. Do you eat a hamburger with a
> knife and fork? The europeans probably do. All proper and stuff.

I've seen people put the sauce inside and on top of the bun. There's
no picking that up.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/30/2020 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
>> Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?
>
> And you all know me...simple tastes. A pound of cooked and
> drained ground beast combined with a can of the original
> "Manwich" is delicious. No need here to reinvent the wheel.
>
We can agree it's tomato based. No kidney beans involved.

I use the Betty Crocker sloppy joe recipe with ground beef, canned
tomato sauce and yes, served on soft white hamburger buns. I did
mention upthread I have some Italian hot sausage. I think I'll save
that for something else and just use the ground beef when I decide to
make Sloppy Joes.

Jill

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
> > > Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?
> > And you all know me...simple tastes. A pound of cooked and
> > drained ground beast combined with a can of the original
> > "Manwich" is delicious. No need here to reinvent the wheel.
>
> "Manwich" is reinventing the wheel. Sloppy joes predated Manwich.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Manwich is a good can of flavor.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 11:27:27 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
> >> >
> >> > Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
> >> > Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
> >> > personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
> >>
> >> YUM!
> >
> >I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >sandwich even sloppier.
> >
> >Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >
> >Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >French
>
> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.

Why yes, there's a lot of Japanese bakeries on this rock. They make real baguettes. The real baguettes are like waffles. They have only a few minutes of life until they turn ordinary.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/epi-ya-boul...serie-honolulu

On 8/30/2020 8:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> On 8/30/2020 4:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2020 4:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> Made an Italian version of Sloppy Joe's tonight, Giuseppe Sciatto.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Used both sweet and hot Italian sausage meat, Bolognais sauce, a mix of
>>>>>> Parmesan, Cheddar, Asiago cheese. Turned out rather well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure other combinations will work too, vary according to your
>>>>>> personal taste. We ate it on buns but would be good over pasta too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Buns? French (or Italian) bread would have been the ticket.
>>>>>
>>>>> YUM!
>>>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
>>>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
>>>> sandwich even sloppier.
>>>
>>> At which point you can eat it with knife and fork.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> But even on a "bun", don't people use a fork at least?
>
> Come on...it's a sandwich. Do you eat a hamburger with a
> knife and fork? The europeans probably do. All proper and stuff.
>

I thought they were open faced and messy.

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Silly "bun" remarks aside, you do know what a hamburger bun is, right?
> > > > Who the heck puts kidney beans in sloppy joes?
> > > And you all know me...simple tastes. A pound of cooked and
> > > drained ground beast combined with a can of the original
> > > "Manwich" is delicious. No need here to reinvent the wheel.
> >
> > "Manwich" is reinventing the wheel. Sloppy joes predated Manwich.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> Manwich is a good can of flavor.

Manwich is too sweet for me. I'll keep making sloppy joes from scratch.

Cindy Hamilton

On 30/08/2020 16:50, Gary wrote:

> Come on...it's a sandwich. Do you eat a hamburger with a
> knife and fork? The europeans probably do. All proper and stuff.
>
That's how my Granny ate hamburgers.

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 9:46:19 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/30/2020 7:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:37:07 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 05:26:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll have to disagee with you here. A sloppy joe is best
> >>>>>> on soft buns. To use a denser bread would just make the
> >>>>>> sandwich even sloppier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now if he put it over pasta, like he mentioned, I would agree
> >>>>>> with you about using a French of Italian bread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Personal choice: I've always prefered the Italian bread over
> >>>>>> French
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you ever had a real baguette? Meaning not from the supermarket.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does the supermarket bakery (cooked fresh each morning from
> >>>> premixed dough) count? Otherwise...no.
> >>>
> >>> Not really.
> >>>
> >>>> If there was a real bakery nearby, I'd use it but no way
> >>>> will I drive off to wherever the nearest one is just for
> >>>> bread. I'm not that picky.
> >>>
> >>> I understand that, but it makes it hard to compare French vs. Italian
> >>> bread.
> >>
> >> I'm only referring to the loaves of french and italian, not
> >> baguettes or any other variety.
> >>
> >> Both are very long. French loaf is more round where the
> >> italian is wider and more oval.
> >
> > I don't know what kind of French and Italian bread you buy at a
> > supermarket in the US, but the most iconic French bread is the
> > baguette.
> > <https://images-ca-1-0-1-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/slide/880/pain-baguette-3000x2000.jpg>
> >
> Difficult to find any that good. In many supermarket bakeries the main
> difference between French and Italian seems to be the label.

If it's baked by the grocery company, it won't be either French or Italian.

https://www.marconibakery.com/breads
Baked a couple of blocks from where Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola grew up.

--Bryan