On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 5:22:28 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> It's actually pretty easy to make. I and my family just find we LIKE
> the canned versions better. No reason why others have to prefer that.

I've made it before. I find that making cranberry sauce is so stupidly simple that opening a can is a lot more stimulating intellectually.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 10/8/2018 10:59 AM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
> > didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
> > and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
> > samwich.
> >
> LOL That's what I remember about it. The can lines.

Seriously though...if you are ok with the canned jellied
cranberry taste, those can lines are just a very baby concern.

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 9:59:15 AM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 9:11:57 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2018-10-07 5:55 PM, wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 4:44:50 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I am working on leftovers. I
> > > > > > am making a batch of butternut squash soup and will have some
> > > > > > of that with a turkey sandwich for supper.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Dare I ask if cranberry sauce was on your table? If it's going
> > > > > to cause an apoplexy, don't answer.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Of course there was cranberry sauce... freshly made,not that
> > > > canned abomination. .
> > >
> > > WAAHH! I LIKE the canned stuff! It's traditional in my family!
> > > Ok, I'll go hide and munch some of the canned stuff in my corner.
> >
> > You can have ALL of mine!
> >
> > I;ll make my own out of cranberries, sugar and water and some
> > Chambord just to be delicious!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> John, there will always be 'one offs'. I like the canned stuff better
> in this one item. It speaks of family and tradition.

Hee hee! You know ONE thing I miss about canned Cranberry Sauce? The shape of the INSIDE of the can after it slides out!! ;-)


>
> I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
> didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
> and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
> samwich.

Can lines! Exactly!!! Shows you where to slice it!

John Kuthe...

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/8/2018 10:59 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
>> didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
>> and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
>> samwich.
>>
> LOL That's what I remember about it. The can lines.
>
> Jill


They've started selling it in 8 oz mini cans where I am, I like those, not
much waste.

Cheri

On 2018-10-08 11:10 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> In fact, very little of what the Pilgrims had for their meal exists
> today as a Thanksgiving meal. Centuries have changed all of that.
>
>
When your president pardons the turkey, do you think that he will go
back on his word (as he usually does in business) and slaughter it? :-)

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that our
>>> holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my wife about
>>> it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big way, just like her
>>> mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots. She mentioned that when
>>> she switched to a high Anglican church a few years ago she was a little
>>> disappointed that they did not do anything special for Thanksgiving and
>>> realized it was because they had done they Harvest Home thing the week
>>> before.
>>
>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian Thanksgiving
>> has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I can't imagine why
>> you want to associate it with some religious nutters anyway!
>
>
>Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>
I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:44:52 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>> > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>> > > I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that
>> > > our holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my
>> > > wife about it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big
>> > > way, just like her mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots.
>> > > She mentioned that when she switched to a high Anglican church a
>> > > few years ago she was a little disappointed that they did not do
>> > > anything special for Thanksgiving and realized it was because
>> > > they had done they Harvest Home thing the week before.
>> >
>> > Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian
>> > Thanksgiving has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I
>> > can't imagine why you want to associate it with some religious
>> > nutters anyway!
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I
>> explained to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition
>> that we were raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to
>> go with an author with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian
>> culture. While you came to the UK, many of us have roots in the
>> American colonies and have ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How
>> typical of you to try to bolster your lame argument with a slur
>> against the people credited with organizing the first Thanksgiving.
>> The fact remains that for those of us who were born and raised in
>> this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is essentially the same
>> celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing the same roots and
>> the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>
>For reason. The holiday (such as observed) was a feast of the harvest.
>It was celebrated in what is NOW 2 countries but predates that. Same
>ancestors, we just split ways later.
>
>Pilgrims were just one set that came over.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
>
>The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>harvest was later.
>
>It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?

I'm glad you posted that link, it again shows Dave is completely
wrong!! Our Thanksgiving has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Pilgrims.

On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that our
>>>> holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my wife about
>>>> it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big way, just like her
>>>> mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots. She mentioned that when
>>>> she switched to a high Anglican church a few years ago she was a little
>>>> disappointed that they did not do anything special for Thanksgiving and
>>>> realized it was because they had done they Harvest Home thing the week
>>>> before.
>>>
>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian Thanksgiving
>>> has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I can't imagine why
>>> you want to associate it with some religious nutters anyway!
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>
> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>
But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
On everything! :-)

On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 9:11:57 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2018-10-07 5:55 PM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > Dare I ask if cranberry sauce was on your table? If it's going to
> > > cause an apoplexy, don't answer.
> > >
> >
> > Of course there was cranberry sauce... freshly made,not that canned
> > abomination. .
>
> WAAHH! I LIKE the canned stuff! It's traditional in my family! Ok,
> I'll go hide and munch some of the canned stuff in my corner.
>
Me, too!!!!

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:29:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 11:44 AM, cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>
>>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that
>>>>> our holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my
>>>>> wife about it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big
>>>>> way, just like her mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots.
>>>>> She mentioned that when she switched to a high Anglican church a
>>>>> few years ago she was a little disappointed that they did not do
>>>>> anything special for Thanksgiving and realized it was because
>>>>> they had done they Harvest Home thing the week before.
>>>>
>>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian
>>>> Thanksgiving has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I
>>>> can't imagine why you want to associate it with some religious
>>>> nutters anyway!
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I
>>> explained to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition
>>> that we were raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to
>>> go with an author with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian
>>> culture. While you came to the UK, many of us have roots in the
>>> American colonies and have ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How
>>> typical of you to try to bolster your lame argument with a slur
>>> against the people credited with organizing the first Thanksgiving.
>>> The fact remains that for those of us who were born and raised in
>>> this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is essentially the same
>>> celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing the same roots and
>>> the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>
>> For reason. The holiday (such as observed) was a feast of the harvest.
>> It was celebrated in what is NOW 2 countries but predates that. Same
>> ancestors, we just split ways later.
>>
>> Pilgrims were just one set that came over.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
>>
>> The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>> harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>> harvest was later.
>>
>> It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?
>>
>
>
>Someone who did not grow up here thinks this is not so, and she has
>attempted to bolster her argument citing an article by an author with
>the surname Ali, which would lead me to suspect that she was not raised
>with the family and cultural traditions that I do. I don't think that
>anyone is arguing that there were not rooted in the religious harvest
>home and other harvest celebrations, or that there have been a number of
>events of giving thanks. It would appear that some people will argue
>against even the most obvious connections. As a person who was born in
>this country and raised with the Thanksgiving tradition and married to a
>woman with a similar background, I can attest to having celebrated the
>holiday with references to the Pilgrims. Now we both have the same
>celebration with the same basic theme, getting family and friends
>together for feast of the same foods.... roast turkey,stuffing,
>cranberries, gravy, mashed potatoes, squash, pumpkin pie, apple pie. I
>guess perhaps the similarities are too subtle for some people.

Racist again! Did you read the wiki link Carole put up? Not written
by anybody with the dreaded name of Ali, but saying the same thing.
Linked to a church festival. Only the US Thanksgiving has any mention
of PFs.

I am sad for Canada that you were born here, if I had known that 52
years ago, maybe I would not have become a Canadian. Racist and
misogynist, you can't be beaten can you?

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>
>>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that our
>>>>> holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my wife about
>>>>> it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big way, just like her
>>>>> mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots. She mentioned that when
>>>>> she switched to a high Anglican church a few years ago she was a little
>>>>> disappointed that they did not do anything special for Thanksgiving and
>>>>> realized it was because they had done they Harvest Home thing the week
>>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian Thanksgiving
>>>> has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I can't imagine why
>>>> you want to associate it with some religious nutters anyway!
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>
>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>
>But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>On everything! :-)

Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
I see he is a racist as well.

On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 10:16:57 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>
> >> So basically, cranberries are too tart to eat, so you have to add lots
> >> of sugar until you can't taste them anymore. And then you say you love
> >> cranberries.
> >>
> >> Is that the idea?
> >
Do y'all have canned, jellied cranberry sauce down under? I love the stuff
but not the homemade variety as usually it has some awfully tough cranberry
peelings. One sister-in-law makes the whole cranberry variation and it's
gloopy but whole canned cranberry sauce can be purchased as well. Give me
the smooth jellied stuff, please.

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 9:10:53 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I pity you guys. The canned stuff has no tart zing to it, no sharp
> cranberry flavour. It is just sweet and bland. I also use cranberry
> sauce with chicken.
>
I've never noticed the canned variety being particularly sweet, much more
palatable though than regular cranberry _juice._ But the jellied canned
stuff is tart enough for me.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:10:29 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>
>I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.

It's all based on a Dutch tradition. Is anything not based on a Dutch
tradition?

On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:18:39 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:29:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-08 11:44 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that
>>>>>> our holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my
>>>>>> wife about it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big
>>>>>> way, just like her mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots.
>>>>>> She mentioned that when she switched to a high Anglican church a
>>>>>> few years ago she was a little disappointed that they did not do
>>>>>> anything special for Thanksgiving and realized it was because
>>>>>> they had done they Harvest Home thing the week before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian
>>>>> Thanksgiving has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I
>>>>> can't imagine why you want to associate it with some religious
>>>>> nutters anyway!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I
>>>> explained to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition
>>>> that we were raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to
>>>> go with an author with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian
>>>> culture. While you came to the UK, many of us have roots in the
>>>> American colonies and have ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How
>>>> typical of you to try to bolster your lame argument with a slur
>>>> against the people credited with organizing the first Thanksgiving.
>>>> The fact remains that for those of us who were born and raised in
>>>> this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is essentially the same
>>>> celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing the same roots and
>>>> the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>
>>> For reason. The holiday (such as observed) was a feast of the harvest.
>>> It was celebrated in what is NOW 2 countries but predates that. Same
>>> ancestors, we just split ways later.
>>>
>>> Pilgrims were just one set that came over.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
>>>
>>> The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>>> harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>>> harvest was later.
>>>
>>> It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Someone who did not grow up here thinks this is not so, and she has
>>attempted to bolster her argument citing an article by an author with
>>the surname Ali, which would lead me to suspect that she was not raised
>>with the family and cultural traditions that I do. I don't think that
>>anyone is arguing that there were not rooted in the religious harvest
>>home and other harvest celebrations, or that there have been a number of
>>events of giving thanks. It would appear that some people will argue
>>against even the most obvious connections. As a person who was born in
>>this country and raised with the Thanksgiving tradition and married to a
>>woman with a similar background, I can attest to having celebrated the
>>holiday with references to the Pilgrims. Now we both have the same
>>celebration with the same basic theme, getting family and friends
>>together for feast of the same foods.... roast turkey,stuffing,
>>cranberries, gravy, mashed potatoes, squash, pumpkin pie, apple pie. I
>>guess perhaps the similarities are too subtle for some people.
>
>Racist again! Did you read the wiki link Carole put up? Not written
>by anybody with the dreaded name of Ali, but saying the same thing.
>Linked to a church festival. Only the US Thanksgiving has any mention
>of PFs.
>
>I am sad for Canada that you were born here, if I had known that 52
>years ago, maybe I would not have become a Canadian. Racist and
>misogynist, you can't be beaten can you?

Lucretia never leaves the house without a polished race card and
gender card. And you can bet she's trigger happy! One wrong word and
CARD!

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>
>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>
>But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>On everything! :-)

But what if Dave and Sheldon disagree? Who's right then?

On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:23:03 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that our
>>>>>> holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my wife about
>>>>>> it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big way, just like her
>>>>>> mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots. She mentioned that when
>>>>>> she switched to a high Anglican church a few years ago she was a little
>>>>>> disappointed that they did not do anything special for Thanksgiving and
>>>>>> realized it was because they had done they Harvest Home thing the week
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian Thanksgiving
>>>>> has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I can't imagine why
>>>>> you want to associate it with some religious nutters anyway!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>>
>>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>>
>>But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>>On everything! :-)
>
>Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
>I see he is a racist as well.

Hey, Lucretia, he's also a fat shamer! Remember "Big Niece"? That
label alone! So we have race card, gender card and fat shame card.
That leaves age card and disability card. Only a matter of time!

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 10:16:57 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>
>> >> So basically, cranberries are too tart to eat, so you have to add lots
>> >> of sugar until you can't taste them anymore. And then you say you love
>> >> cranberries.
>> >>
>> >> Is that the idea?
>> >
>Do y'all have canned, jellied cranberry sauce down under? I love the stuff
>but not the homemade variety as usually it has some awfully tough cranberry
>peelings. One sister-in-law makes the whole cranberry variation and it's
>gloopy but whole canned cranberry sauce can be purchased as well. Give me
>the smooth jellied stuff, please.

If it's English, it's also old school Australian. And I remember
eating game meat with a bitter berry sauce in the Netherlands during
Christmas. It's old school and not done that much anymore, I think.

On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 06:36:32 +1100, Brice >
wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>>
>>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>>
>>But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>>On everything! :-)
>
>But what if Dave and Sheldon disagree? Who's right then?

Now that was funny lol

On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 06:38:34 +1100, Brice >
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:23:03 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-10-08 7:15 AM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:30:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will stand by my personal experience growing up in Canada that our
>>>>>>> holiday is very strongly linked to the Pilgrims. I asked my wife about
>>>>>>> it this after noon. She is into Thanksgiving in a big way, just like her
>>>>>>> mother, who was proud of her Loyalist roots. She mentioned that when
>>>>>>> she switched to a high Anglican church a few years ago she was a little
>>>>>>> disappointed that they did not do anything special for Thanksgiving and
>>>>>>> realized it was because they had done they Harvest Home thing the week
>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ball is in your court, YOU prove to me that the Canadian Thanksgiving
>>>>>> has even a little to do with the Pilgrim Fathers - I can't imagine why
>>>>>> you want to associate it with some religious nutters anyway!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>>>
>>>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>>>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>>>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>>>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>>>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>>>
>>>But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>>>On everything! :-)
>>
>>Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
>>I see he is a racist as well.
>
>Hey, Lucretia, he's also a fat shamer! Remember "Big Niece"? That
>label alone! So we have race card, gender card and fat shame card.
>That leaves age card and disability card. Only a matter of time!

True enough!

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/8/2018 10:59 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
>> didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
>> and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
>> samwich.
>>
> LOL That's what I remember about it. The can lines.
>
> Jill


They've started selling it in 8 oz mini cans where I am, I like those, not
much waste.

Cheri

==

I have never had any cranberry sauce, but recently I have learned to enjoy
dried cranberries with nuts)

On 2018-10-08 3:10 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>
> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.

Was that a gathering of your immigrant friends? I was talking about the
Canadian tradition, the one that those born, raised and educated here.
It is not racist to point out that the Ali surname would indicate that
the person does not have a Canadian heritage from which she would have
learned the old Thanksgiving tradition. She blew her credibility with
reference to Frobisher's successful completion of the North West
Passage, something that was not done until 400 years later.


Perhaps you need to work on reading comprehension, because no one said
that Thanksgiving was not at all connected with European harvest
festivals, and I thought I had indicated quite clearly that my wife, who
has Loyalist roots, does Thanksgiving in a big way, basically the same
way her American ancestors would have done. You completely misunderstood
what I said about her being disappointed that her church did not do a
Thanksgiving thing because they had done the harvest home thing the week
before.

On 2018-10-08 3:13 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:44:52 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>> The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>> harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>> harvest was later.
>>
>> It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?
>
> I'm glad you posted that link, it again shows Dave is completely
> wrong!! Our Thanksgiving has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Pilgrims.
>


Oh yeah. Especially this part:
As settlers arrived in Nova Scotia from New England after 1700, late
autumn Thanksgiving celebrations became commonplace. New immigrants into
the country€”such as the Irish, Scottish, and Germans€”also added their
own traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the US aspects of
Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire
Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American
Revolution and settled in Canada.[6]

On 2018-10-08 3:23 PM, wrote:

> Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
> I see he is a racist as well.
>

Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
of the culture that I grew up in.

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 11:47:57 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

> Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
> Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
> they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
> of the culture that I grew up in.

You most likely have a handle on your own culture. It would be surprising if you didn't. OTOH, I have to question your logical reasoning/deduction. There's no reason why a person with a funny-sounding name couldn't have been born and raised in Canada. Likewise, a guy with the name of "Smith" doesn't automatically give you street cred in all things Canadian. You could be one of those funny-lookin' types that we all know and fear.

My wife has a funny-sounding name but she's a white gal born in Montana. OTOH, she was raised by a Korean so if you believed that you could make assumptions about her by the color of her skin or her name, you'd be wrong on both counts.

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:48:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 3:23 PM, wrote:
>
>> Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
>> I see he is a racist as well.
>>
>
>Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
>Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
>they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
>of the culture that I grew up in.

You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
up in? The anonymous Smiths?

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:45:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-08 3:13 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:44:52 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>> The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>>> harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>>> harvest was later.
>>>
>>> It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?
>>
>> I'm glad you posted that link, it again shows Dave is completely
>> wrong!! Our Thanksgiving has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Pilgrims.
>>
>
>
>Oh yeah. Especially this part:
>As settlers arrived in Nova Scotia from New England after 1700, late
>autumn Thanksgiving celebrations became commonplace.

Yes, well after the Scottish were here in NS, already celebrating
Harvest Home long long before the Smiths arrived from New England I
suspect.


New immigrants into
>the country—such as the Irish, Scottish, and Germans—also added their
>own traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the US aspects of
>Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire
>Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American
>Revolution and settled in Canada.[6]

Yes, a few, long after Scots were in NS, but don't let that bother
your racist, bigoted, misogynistic head. Oh and most of those who
arrived in NS were BLACK! OMG Smith, imagine that, foreigners and
black!!!

On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 20:03:36 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:48:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-08 3:23 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
>>> I see he is a racist as well.
>>>
>>
>>Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
>>Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
>>they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
>>of the culture that I grew up in.
>
>You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
>you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
>up in? The anonymous Smiths?

Dave's a man of many talents:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Smith_(priest)>

Brice wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:15:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-08 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:44:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh yeah. I aced that serve and you failed to return it. As I explained
>>>> to you... twice.... I grew up here and I know the tradition that we were
>>>> raised with. For some reason, you are more inclined to go with an author
>>>> with the last name of Ali to argue about Canadian culture. While you
>>>> came to the UK, many of us have roots in the American colonies and have
>>>> ancestors who came here as Loyalists. How typical of you to try to
>>>> bolster your lame argument with a slur against the people credited with
>>>> organizing the first Thanksgiving. The fact remains that for those of us
>>>> who were born and raised in this country, Canadian Thanksgiving is
>>>> essentially the same celebration as the American Thanksgiving, sharing
>>>> the same roots and the same traditional foods, but held on different dates.
>>>>
>>> I mentioned this at the club this afternoon, NOT ONE Canadian agreed
>>> with you. You are not giving me a link to it, because you can't. You
>>> prefer instead to make racist comments. You are a very poor
>>> Canadian that you don't know Canadian Thanksgiving is linked to a
>>> church festival, even Megatron knows that now, not the Pilgrims.
>>>
>> But Lucretia, you should know by now that Dave is always right! Always!
>> On everything! :-)
>
> But what if Dave and Sheldon disagree? Who's right then?
>

Popeye always takes precedence silly.

On 10/8/2018 7:08 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:45:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-08 3:13 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:44:52 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>> The fact is both North and South North Americans celebrated it but as a
>>>> harvest issue, the southerly folks did it later because the final
>>>> harvest was later.
>>>>
>>>> It's not rocket science here so not sure why the debate?
>>>
>>> I'm glad you posted that link, it again shows Dave is completely
>>> wrong!! Our Thanksgiving has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Pilgrims.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah. Especially this part:
>> As settlers arrived in Nova Scotia from New England after 1700, late
>> autumn Thanksgiving celebrations became commonplace.
>
> Yes, well after the Scottish were here in NS, already celebrating
> Harvest Home long long before the Smiths arrived from New England I
> suspect.
>
>
> New immigrants into
>> the country€”such as the Irish, Scottish, and Germans€”also added their
>> own traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the US aspects of
>> Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire
>> Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American
>> Revolution and settled in Canada.[6]
>
> Yes, a few, long after Scots were in NS, but don't let that bother
> your racist, bigoted, misogynistic head. Oh and most of those who
> arrived in NS were BLACK! OMG Smith, imagine that, foreigners and
> black!!!
>
Why are you making this so contentious? He posted about FOOD. Dinner
he and his wife cooked and the family enjoyed. Squabbling over the
origins of Thanksgiving makes you sound like a kook.

Jill

On 2018-10-08 7:03 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:48:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
>> Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
>> they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
>> of the culture that I grew up in.
>
> You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
> you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
> up in? The anonymous Smiths?
>

Scottish.... so that explains your superior insight into how Canadian
Thanksgiving is not rooted in the Puritan event?

On 2018-10-08 7:08 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:45:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>

> New immigrants into
>> the country€”such as the Irish, Scottish, and Germans€”also added their
>> own traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the US aspects of
>> Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire
>> Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American
>> Revolution and settled in Canada.[6]
>
> Yes, a few, long after Scots were in NS, but don't let that bother
> your racist, bigoted, misogynistic head. Oh and most of those who
> arrived in NS were BLACK! OMG Smith, imagine that, foreigners and
> black!!!
>

If you can't beat them with brains baffle them with bullshit.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/8/2018 10:59 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
>>> didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
>>> and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
>>> samwich.
>>>
>> LOL That's what I remember about it. The can lines.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> They've started selling it in 8 oz mini cans where I am, I like those, not
> much waste.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> I have never had any cranberry sauce, but recently I have learned to enjoy
> dried cranberries with nuts)

I like the nuts, but never could make myself like dried cranberries.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/8/2018 10:59 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made it from the fresh berries and while it was good, it just
>>> didn't hit the spot for us. Don even admitted he missed the can lines
>>> and I missed that I couldn't just slice some for a leftover turkey
>>> samwich.
>>>
>> LOL That's what I remember about it. The can lines.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> They've started selling it in 8 oz mini cans where I am, I like those, not
> much waste.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> I have never had any cranberry sauce, but recently I have learned to enjoy
> dried cranberries with nuts)

I like the nuts, but never could make myself like dried cranberries.

Cheri

==

New to me) I suspect it is just the sweetness along with the cashews I
like

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 10:16:57 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
> >
> > >> So basically, cranberries are too tart to eat, so you have to add lots
> > >> of sugar until you can't taste them anymore. And then you say you love
> > >> cranberries.
> > >>
> > >> Is that the idea?
> > >
> Do y'all have canned, jellied cranberry sauce down under? I love the stuff
> but not the homemade variety as usually it has some awfully tough cranberry
> peelings.

You don't peel the cranberries, and there's nothing chewy or tough
about home-made cranberry sauce.It only takes a couple of minutes to
make. Good with pork as well as turkey.

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/...ranberry-sauce

When the fresh berries are on sale in autumn I buy enough to freeze so
we can have cranberry sauce and cranberry cake all winter.

Janet UK.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:48:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2018-10-08 3:23 PM, wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah you're right, up til now I had him pegged as a misogynist but now
> >> I see he is a racist as well.
> >>
> >
> >Yes indeed. How dare I doubt the credibility of the explanation of a
> >Canadian cultural event written by someone whose name indicates that
> >they come from a different culture. I grew up here. I know am well aware
> >of the culture that I grew up in.
>
> You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
> you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
> up in? The anonymous Smiths?

You surely know that Smith is the commonest surname in Scotland (and
the rest of the UK) because every community needed their metal working
skills.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> When the fresh berries are on sale in autumn I buy enough to freeze so
> we can have cranberry sauce and cranberry cake all winter.

I do the same and I still have almost a full (12oz) package in my
freezer that I bought last year.

On 2018-10-09 7:23 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

>> You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
>> you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
>> up in? The anonymous Smiths?
>
> You surely know that Smith is the commonest surname in Scotland (and
> the rest of the UK) because every community needed their metal working
> skills.

You will have to excuse her. When her argument fell to pieces she had to
resort to personal attacks.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:10:50 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-09 7:23 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>
>>> You are one big idiot Smith! I am pure Scottish in origin, I'm glad
>>> you noticed their input to 'Nova Scotia' - what culture did you grow
>>> up in? The anonymous Smiths?
>>
>> You surely know that Smith is the commonest surname in Scotland (and
>> the rest of the UK) because every community needed their metal working
>> skills.
>
>You will have to excuse her. When her argument fell to pieces she had to
>resort to personal attacks.
>
>
>
Says the person who didn't like an article written by someone called
'Ali' and who consistently pointed out that he was 'born' Canadian,
ergo, in his opinion had to be better than me, a mere immigrant.

On 2018-10-09 10:54 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:10:50 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> You will have to excuse her. When her argument fell to pieces she had to
>> resort to personal attacks.
>>
>>
>>
> Says the person who didn't like an article written by someone called
> 'Ali' and who consistently pointed out that he was 'born' Canadian,
> ergo, in his opinion had to be better than me, a mere immigrant.
>


Carolyn Ali is not a he, and having the surname Ali, it is unlikely that
she has a long family tradition or the 1950s and 60s familiarization
with the traditional holiday and its roots. One of the comment letters
was by someone who said she was born in Canada.


Look at some of the other letters responding to that article:

David Norton:
I think youre quite wrong in your argument that for Canadians (in some
parts of Ontario) that Thanksgiving is "not about the
pilgrims/Mayflower. Many Ontario Canadians ancestors were Americans who
fled the American Revolution and brought with them their own traditions
of Thanksgiving and interpretations of it stemming from the pilgrims and
the Mayflower landing at Plymouth. I as a Canadian have never heard the
Frobisher connection to Thanksgiving€¦we always celebrated in relation to
the pilgrims/Mayflower and so did everyone I knew from friends,
acquaintances and other family members. I think theyre are many
Canadians who want to differentiate themselves from Americans for
whatever reasons€¦but those of us with ancestry of the United Empire
Loyalists Americans who came to areas of Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia
hold within our generational linkage an €œAmericanism€� of such a holiday
as Thanksgiving. As Canadians that is a part of us that is now part of
Canadian Thanksgiving minus the Frobisher interpretation.

Joe canuck:
Did you know? Although history says in 1578 The first thanksgiving was
celebrated. It wasnt a serious holiday in Canada until american
loyalist brought the custom up north during the war of 1812. The first
american thanksgiving was celebrated in Plymouth , MA in October 1621.
Pilgrims celebrated the first harvest with turkey in new world. Despite
it being a federal holiday the United states use to celebrate on October
as well as canadians did on November there wasnt a set date for either
country. It wasnt until during the Great Depression in 1939 that
president Roosevelt sign into law to set thanksgiving on the last
Thursday of November and create Black Friday to help boost the U.S.
economy before Christmas. In 1957 Canada signed into law to make
thanksgiving on the second Monday of October.

Brian:
Being from the province of Ontario we have strong United Empire Loyalist
ancestry. For anyone not knowing the history of the UELs they were
Americans who fled the American Revolution and settled in Canada. The
Bay of Quinte area in Ontario (Belleville/Prince Edward County) is
hugely populated by the descendants of these American United Empire
Loyalists who ( due to political loyalty to Britain rather than to the
USA )moved by will or were forced (land, homes, plantations, farms)
because their property was confiscated by the government. Many died as a
result of the aggression they faced or the journey to Canada. However
many descendants of these Loyalists celebrate their Thanksgiving in
terms of the Pilgrims and the Mayflower because of their intrinsic
American heritage. I myself and anyone I know have never heard of the
Frobisher version of Thanksgiving. Canadians of all stripes did once
celebrate the holiday the same day as Americans but due to our earlier
harvest it was changed to October. It was Roosevelt as President who
purposely made the American Thanksgiving the last Thursday in October to
stimulate the economy of the U.S. during the Depression to get people
Christmas shopping. Anyway that being said Canadians need to acknowledge
their American roots so richly found in the Bay of Quinte region and
understand that Thanksgiving in that part of Canada has strong American
roots.

Katrina:
We celebrate the Mayflower settling in North America. Its the first
time as a Canadian that I hear of a Martin Frobisher€¦WHO is he??? Anyway
Im from Ontario but live now in Alberta. Nobody I know ever raises a
wine glass to Martin Frobisher at dinner. Some Canadians prefer to
invent a difference which I find kind of some kind of rabid
anti-American headcase thing. Who cares about our differences since we
are all NORTH AMERICANS in the NEW WORLD.


Dirk Jefferson:

au contai

Back in 1961, in Orillia, Ontario, our Grade 1 teacher Mrs Maxwell
explained the upcoming Thanksgiving Holiday: The *first* and most
important detail she mentioned was how the Pilgrims had landed at
Plymouth and decided to celebrate in gratitude for their survival. She
didnt mention that Plymouth was in another country, because in 1622,
they were not separate countries.

So much for our Canadian Thanksgiving having nothing to do with
Pilgrims. I suspect the distancing from Pilgrims was declared after the
sixties when anti-US attitudes became fashionable.