In article >, lid
says...
>
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 02:09:47 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, lid
> >says...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 09:03:46 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:54:16 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:48:26 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:45:09 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:37:56 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>That's it. Obey and disobey aren't applicable because there are no
> >> >>>>>orders.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Obey and disobey, I just can't imagine thinking in those terms when it
> >> >>>>comes to a relationship.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I don't even give our cats orders, unless they try to eat my food.
> >> >>
> >> >>Nor I. I do wish my cats would reciprocate (not that I try to eat
> >> >>their food).
> >> >
> >> >lol
> >>
> >> And just to exacerbate the situation, I'm thinking about adding to our
> >> family with a boy cat, namely one of these:
> >> http://www.cutestpaw.com/images/norwegian-forest-cat/
> >>
> >> Even bigger than Lucy, my tabby...
> >> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c3e897f415.jpg
> >
> > What a whopper! She's gorgeous, but I'd call her a ginger and white
> >cat not a tabby.. or is it just the photo colour?
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean that was a picture of my Lucy, just that the one
> in that pic is bigger... and my Lucy is pretty big as it is. This pic
> is a couple of years old, and she's a fair bit bigger now:
> Sigh. The pic will have to wait. The joys of satellite 'broadband'.

You have provoked cat envy (of the whopper) so how's this for puter
envy; last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.

Janet UK

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:33:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-02-06 10:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 18:32:49 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:32:24 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:17:11 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:10:15 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 02:09:47 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In article >, lid
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Even bigger than Lucy, my tabby...
> >>>>>>> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c3e897f415.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What a whopper! She's gorgeous, but I'd call her a ginger and white
> >>>>>> cat not a tabby.. or is it just the photo colour?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We call striped cats "tabby" and we don't use the term "ginger"; so
> >>>>> it's an orange and white tabby... IMO, the size is: "monster".
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.care.com/b/l/the-ginger-cat/grass-valley-ca>
> >>>
> >>> Which means zero.
> >>
> >> What if I find another ten?
> >
> > It will only mean that someone has decided to use a British term in an
> > attempt to be different. We don't call redheads "gingers" either.
> >
>
> Nor do we call redheads ginger. However, an orange tabby cat is usually
> called ginger.

You're Canadian.

--

sf

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:01:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/6/2016 10:24 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/6/2016 9:36 AM, wrote:
>>> However back to the original purpose of my post, in answer to
>>> Brooklyn, widows are not lonely, longing for a man, very far from it
>>> these days. It's the men who are searching around looking for a widow
>>> to replace the wife they lost who did everything, well that's not me!
>>
>> I agree wholeheartedly. It seems to me men who lose a wife are the ones
>> on the lookout for someone else. All of a sudden they realize all the
>> work she'd been doing. Damn, who's going to do the laundry, the grocery
>> shopping, cooking and cleaning?
>>
>
>Some of us knew how to do those things where we were 12 years old and
>still do our share of it. Some men never learn. Yes, that group would
>be looking for a new wife/housekeeper/cook/sex partner.
>
>
>
>> Despite what Sheldon says, women don't go out trolling for men when
>> their husbands die. Women in this day and age can get along just fine
>> without one. Heck, we're even allowed to drive now. (laughing)
>>
>> Jill
>
>Some do. Perhaps not as many as 1955, but they are not extinct.
>
>IMO, both should know how to be independent and survive without the
>other. My wife cannot install a new light fixture, I cannot cuff a pair
>of pants, but we can both cook, shop, pay bills, change the sheets, etc.
>If you don't take the time to learn those basic life skills you are
>cheating yourself. You are foolish too as you don't know what the future
>holds.

When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill

On 06/02/2016 7:36 AM, wrote:

>>
> Ours certainly was or I wouldn't have been there all those years.
> However back to the original purpose of my post, in answer to
> Brooklyn, widows are not lonely, longing for a man, very far from it
> these days. It's the men who are searching around looking for a widow
> to replace the wife they lost who did everything, well that's not me!
>
I think you are being waaaay too simplistic! *Some* men are like that
but a helluva lot aren't! Similarly, from my reading of singles ads,
there are a *lot* of senior women out there looking for much younger men
to take care of them.
Graham
(who is NOT looking)

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 10:43:27 -0400, wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 05:30:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>I've felt for some time now that we're having a debate where the
>>participants are not debating the same thing. It's good to have
>>some insight on what you consider to be an order.
>>
>>Obedience is not something I've ever given much thought, since
>>we're a partnership of equals (while recognizing that each of
>>us has different talents).
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Bruce aka Arguebot feels good now, he generated a stupid post

Look who's "arguing".

--
Bruce

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:04:29 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 10:24:33 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> Despite what Sheldon says, women don't go out trolling for men when
>> their husbands die. Women in this day and age can get along just fine
>> without one. Heck, we're even allowed to drive now. (laughing)
>>
>And vote!

And run for president.

--
Bruce

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 02:09:47 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >, lid
> > says...
> > >
> > > Even bigger than Lucy, my tabby...
> > > https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c3e897f415.jpg
> >
> > What a whopper! She's gorgeous, but I'd call her a ginger and white
> > cat not a tabby.. or is it just the photo colour?
> >
>
> We call striped cats "tabby" and we don't use the term "ginger"; so
> it's an orange and white tabby... IMO, the size is: "monster".

I once had a ginger cat called Wendy, passed on to us by work
colleagues who no longer wanted her. Not a name I'd have chosen but we
kept it because she answered to it and had had enough upset in her cat
life.

Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
"to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
we were sticking with the cat's name.

They got over it.

Janet UK

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 05:49:43 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:04:29 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 10:24:33 -0500, jmcquown >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Despite what Sheldon says, women don't go out trolling for men when
> >> their husbands die. Women in this day and age can get along just fine
> >> without one. Heck, we're even allowed to drive now. (laughing)
> >>
> >And vote!
>
> And run for president.

LOL

--

sf

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:12:48 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 06/02/2016 7:36 AM, wrote:
>
>>>
>> Ours certainly was or I wouldn't have been there all those years.
>> However back to the original purpose of my post, in answer to
>> Brooklyn, widows are not lonely, longing for a man, very far from it
>> these days. It's the men who are searching around looking for a widow
>> to replace the wife they lost who did everything, well that's not me!
>>
>I think you are being waaaay too simplistic! *Some* men are like that
>but a helluva lot aren't! Similarly, from my reading of singles ads,
>there are a *lot* of senior women out there looking for much younger men
>to take care of them.
>Graham
>(who is NOT looking)

Well I haven't read any ads and am judging by my circle of friends. A
boy toy is quite fun, had one for awhile but dropped him when he
wanted to be introduced to my kids - I felt my son might take him out
when he realised he was younger than him

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:52:38 -0400, wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:42:20 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
>>After compressing the pics to all hell, success.
>>Lucy about a year ago:
>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602060908240098.jpg
>>
>>Lucy in her younger days:
>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602061207590104.jpg
>
>Is she what is called here - a silver tabby - looks it.

Yes, we just say 'tabby' but she is mostly a silver/grey colour.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:53:17 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> You have provoked cat envy (of the whopper) so how's this for puter
>envy; last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.

Poo to you

This satellite broadband was fine until they oversubscribed the
service. I'm due to go onto the new satellite within the next couple
of months (yay) with four times the official speed of my current one,
so it should be good. Cheaper and better plans too. Now, as long as
they don't oversubscribe this one...

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 03:40:52 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 5, 2016 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:37:56 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >That's it. Obey and disobey aren't applicable because there are no
>> >orders.
>>
>> Obey and disobey, I just can't imagine thinking in those terms when it
>> comes to a relationship.
>
>If my husband says "Hand me that 2 by 4", isn't that an order?
>If I hand it to him, isn't that obedience?
>
>Would saying "Please" make it other than an order?

Technically, yes, or at least I agree it can be interpreted that way.
It's just not how I would personally view at that scenario though. I
would regard it as helping or cooperating with each other.

You could say the same about ordering a hamburger, I suppose...

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 19:00:09 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 02:09:47 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> > In article >, lid
>> > says...
>> > >
>> > > Even bigger than Lucy, my tabby...
>> > > https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c3e897f415.jpg
>> >
>> > What a whopper! She's gorgeous, but I'd call her a ginger and white
>> > cat not a tabby.. or is it just the photo colour?
>> >
>>
>> We call striped cats "tabby" and we don't use the term "ginger"; so
>> it's an orange and white tabby... IMO, the size is: "monster".
>
> I once had a ginger cat called Wendy, passed on to us by work
>colleagues who no longer wanted her. Not a name I'd have chosen but we
>kept it because she answered to it and had had enough upset in her cat
>life.
>
> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
>girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
>"to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
>baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
>we were sticking with the cat's name.
>
> They got over it.

Hah

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 07:10:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:52:38 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:42:20 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After compressing the pics to all hell, success.
>>>Lucy about a year ago:
>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602060908240098.jpg
>>>
>>>Lucy in her younger days:
>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602061207590104.jpg
>>
>>Is she what is called here - a silver tabby - looks it.
>
>Yes, we just say 'tabby' but she is mostly a silver/grey colour.

I didn't know about 'silver' tabbies until this cat fell in my lap
On her papers from the SPCA that is how she is described.

http://tinypic.com/r/261md5u/9

On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:

>
> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>
<grinds teeth>
About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
have gone over to satellite.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:31:18 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 07:10:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:52:38 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:42:20 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>After compressing the pics to all hell, success.
>>>>Lucy about a year ago:
>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602060908240098.jpg
>>>>
>>>>Lucy in her younger days:
>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602061207590104.jpg
>>>
>>>Is she what is called here - a silver tabby - looks it.
>>
>>Yes, we just say 'tabby' but she is mostly a silver/grey colour.
>
>I didn't know about 'silver' tabbies until this cat fell in my lap
>On her papers from the SPCA that is how she is described.
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/261md5u/9

Hah, you have a screen blocker too What is her name?

Lucy is sitting between my keyboard and screen right now.
Annie will take her place later.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:00:14 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>
>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>
><grinds teeth>
>About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
>they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
>'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
>have gone over to satellite.

The silly thing is I can recall dial up being at least as fast as my
current 'broadband' connection in terms of actual use. Of course, web
pages etc. were a *lot* smaller data-wise back then too.

On 7/02/2016 3:02 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:36:10 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Well said, Nancy. A voice of reason here. That's the way I feel too. A
>> long time couple living and working together doesn't need to always
>> add a "please" to every simple request. It's known to be a request and
>> not some control issue. Folks here often take things to the extreme.
>
> Agree.
>
The tone used is also a determinant as to whether it's an order or a
request, especially in the absence of 'please'.

--

Xeno

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 09:03:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:31:18 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 07:10:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:52:38 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:42:20 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>After compressing the pics to all hell, success.
>>>>>Lucy about a year ago:
>>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602060908240098.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>Lucy in her younger days:
>>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602061207590104.jpg
>>>>
>>>>Is she what is called here - a silver tabby - looks it.
>>>
>>>Yes, we just say 'tabby' but she is mostly a silver/grey colour.
>>
>>I didn't know about 'silver' tabbies until this cat fell in my lap
>>On her papers from the SPCA that is how she is described.
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/r/261md5u/9
>
>Hah, you have a screen blocker too What is her name?
>
>Lucy is sitting between my keyboard and screen right now.
>Annie will take her place later.


She came with the name Winnie, but I don't think she knows it As
you can see I have tried to tell her the laptop is off limits
but...you can't tell a cat much. She is a nice cat and I am already
very fond of her.

It is possible I will have two cats sometime in the near future. A
very elderly friend made me promise a couple of years ago to take her
beautiful calico if anything happened to her. She had a bad stroke
last week and her daughter phoned me to say the future isn't clear
yet. So we shall see, I sincerely hope she recovers and goes home to
Sam.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 18:43:26 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 09:03:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:31:18 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 07:10:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:52:38 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:42:20 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>After compressing the pics to all hell, success.
>>>>>>Lucy about a year ago:
>>>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602060908240098.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lucy in her younger days:
>>>>>>http://www.hostpic.org/images/1602061207590104.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>Is she what is called here - a silver tabby - looks it.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, we just say 'tabby' but she is mostly a silver/grey colour.
>>>
>>>I didn't know about 'silver' tabbies until this cat fell in my lap
>>>On her papers from the SPCA that is how she is described.
>>>
>>>http://tinypic.com/r/261md5u/9
>>
>>Hah, you have a screen blocker too What is her name?
>>
>>Lucy is sitting between my keyboard and screen right now.
>>Annie will take her place later.
>
>
>She came with the name Winnie, but I don't think she knows it

That's the name of my dog

> As
>you can see I have tried to tell her the laptop is off limits
>but...you can't tell a cat much. She is a nice cat and I am already
>very fond of her.

They have their insidious ways to get into your heart...

> It is possible I will have two cats sometime in the near future. A
>very elderly friend made me promise a couple of years ago to take her
>beautiful calico if anything happened to her. She had a bad stroke
>last week and her daughter phoned me to say the future isn't clear
>yet. So we shall see, I sincerely hope she recovers and goes home to
>Sam.

Yes, let's hope so.

On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
> girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
> "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
> baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
> we were sticking with the cat's name.
>
> They got over it.
>
> Janet UK
>
Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
Um, why?

Jill <--has an orange striped tabby cat.

In article >, says...
>
> On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
> > Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
> > girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
> > "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
> > baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
> > we were sticking with the cat's name.
> >
> > They got over it.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
> just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
> Um, why?

It was their baby who had the same name as our cat.

Except in city apartments, in UK most pet cats have free access to
outside and wander freely round the neighbourhood. So if the owner
wants their cat to return home they go out in the garden and call its
name My neighbour didn't want us both to be heard shouting for Wendy
(cat, or playing child) to come home.

Janet.

On 06/02/2016 5:17 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
>>> girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
>>> "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
>>> baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
>>> we were sticking with the cat's name.
>>>
>>> They got over it.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
>> just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
>> Um, why?
>
> It was their baby who had the same name as our cat.
>
> Except in city apartments, in UK most pet cats have free access to
> outside and wander freely round the neighbourhood.

A neighbour of ours in the Suffolk village where I was brought up, had a
remedy for those cats: a .410 shotgun! Nobody complained!
Graham

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:23:40 +1100, Xeno >
wrote:

> On 7/02/2016 3:02 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:36:10 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> Well said, Nancy. A voice of reason here. That's the way I feel too. A
> >> long time couple living and working together doesn't need to always
> >> add a "please" to every simple request. It's known to be a request and
> >> not some control issue. Folks here often take things to the extreme.
> >
> > Agree.
> >
> The tone used is also a determinant as to whether it's an order or a
> request, especially in the absence of 'please'.

Correct! If I was a surgical nurse and being well paid to take
orders, then I'd take them. Quite frankly, I don't think the Dr.
would be barking orders at me anyway, because that would be what's
known as a toxic work environment.

--

sf

On 2/6/2016 7:17 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
>>> girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
>>> "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
>>> baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
>>> we were sticking with the cat's name.
>>>
>>> They got over it.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
>> just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
>> Um, why?
>
> It was their baby who had the same name as our cat.
>
> Except in city apartments, in UK most pet cats have free access to
> outside and wander freely round the neighbourhood. So if the owner
> wants their cat to return home they go out in the garden and call its
> name My neighbour didn't want us both to be heard shouting for Wendy
> (cat, or playing child) to come home.
>
> Janet.
>
Okay, that makes sense (sort of). I never had an outdoor cat. We have
some predators that aren't common to the UK so I would not let my cat
outdoors.

Jill

On 7/02/2016 9:00 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>
>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>
> <grinds teeth>
> About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
> they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
> 'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
> have gone over to satellite.
>
You don't have broadband, you have 'fraudband'. ;-)

--

Xeno

On 2/6/2016 12:59 PM, wrote:

> When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
> switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
> the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
> like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill
>

Good for you. My MIL would have done that and used a butter knife to
turn the screws.

On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:23:40 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
> > On 7/02/2016 3:02 AM, sf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:36:10 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well said, Nancy. A voice of reason here. That's the way I feel too. A
> > >> long time couple living and working together doesn't need to always
> > >> add a "please" to every simple request. It's known to be a request and
> > >> not some control issue. Folks here often take things to the extreme.
> > >
> > > Agree.
> > >
> > The tone used is also a determinant as to whether it's an order or a
> > request, especially in the absence of 'please'.
>
> Correct! If I was a surgical nurse and being well paid to take
> orders, then I'd take them. Quite frankly, I don't think the Dr.
> would be barking orders at me anyway, because that would be what's
> known as a toxic work environment.

Scalpel!

Cindy Hamilton

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:00:14 -0500, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>>
>><grinds teeth>
>>About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
>>they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
>>'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
>>have gone over to satellite.
>
> The silly thing is I can recall dial up being at least as fast as my
> current 'broadband' connection in terms of actual use. Of course, web
> pages etc. were a *lot* smaller data-wise back then too.

I can remember having dial up and having to pay by the time on, and someone
saying that one day, we would have a flat rate ... I didn't believe him))





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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:23:40 +1100, Xeno >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/02/2016 3:02 AM, sf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:36:10 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well said, Nancy. A voice of reason here. That's the way I feel too. A
> > > >> long time couple living and working together doesn't need to always
> > > >> add a "please" to every simple request. It's known to be a request and
> > > >> not some control issue. Folks here often take things to the extreme.
> > > >
> > > > Agree.
> > > >
> > > The tone used is also a determinant as to whether it's an order or a
> > > request, especially in the absence of 'please'.
> >
> > Correct! If I was a surgical nurse and being well paid to take
> > orders, then I'd take them. Quite frankly, I don't think the Dr.
> > would be barking orders at me anyway, because that would be what's
> > known as a toxic work environment.
>
> Scalpel!

Eh-Oh! ;-)

In article >, says...
>
> On 06/02/2016 5:17 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
> >>> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
> >>> girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
> >>> "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
> >>> baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
> >>> we were sticking with the cat's name.
> >>>
> >>> They got over it.
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >> Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
> >> just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
> >> Um, why?
> >
> > It was their baby who had the same name as our cat.
> >
> > Except in city apartments, in UK most pet cats have free access to
> > outside and wander freely round the neighbourhood.
>
> A neighbour of ours in the Suffolk village where I was brought up, had a
> remedy for those cats: a .410 shotgun! Nobody complained!
> Graham

You left Suffolk a long time ago. Nowadays it's a criminal offence to
shoot a domestic cat.

Janet UK

On 7/02/2016 11:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:00:14 -0500, S Viemeister
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>>>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>>>
>>> <grinds teeth>
>>> About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
>>> they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
>>> 'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
>>> have gone over to satellite.
>>
>> The silly thing is I can recall dial up being at least as fast as my
>> current 'broadband' connection in terms of actual use. Of course, web
>> pages etc. were a *lot* smaller data-wise back then too.
>
> I can remember having dial up and having to pay by the time on, and
> someone saying that one day, we would have a flat rate ... I didn't
> believe him))

It had to come. The rippoffs that were rife back in the dialup days were
nasty.
One of the reasons the ISP charged by online time was the number of
modems they had. A typical small ISP would have, say, 10 modems using a
single common number. These 10 modems allowed them to sign up 100
customers. Effectively each customer would only want to be online for a
couple of hours a day so the modems were effectively shared. Of course,
this simple arrangement only worked as long as all the customers spread
their logged in time over the entire day. People being people, they
wanted to hog the 'peak time' when they were home form work/school/etc.
Endless busy signals were the order of the day. The ISP then decided to
sign up another hundred customers but added no more modems. At one ISP,
it eventually became so bad that I could rarely get online before 10 or
11PM. It became worse so that I couldn't get online before 1AM. That was
when I pulled the pin on it as I was also getting charged by the phone
company back then for the failed logons at the minimum local call rate.

A friend, who ran a very small ISP, offered me a better deal. All I had
to do was pay for a second line (business line) into his premises and
supply a modem to install and connect to that line. I think he had about
8 or 9 existing (hard wired) lines into his premises for his other
customers and I just used up the last one. The difference for me was
that my business number, though located at his place, was unique to me
so I was the only one using the line associated with it. My only fee was
to the phone company for line rental and a flat fee per local call. I
think back then it was 10 cents per call untimed. I could stay online
24/7 if I felt like it. Of course I didn't because that meant people
couldn't ring me at my home number because it would be busy since I was
calling out on it. He didn't charge me anything (nice to have friends
like that) as long as I didn't overuse the bandwidth he was buying
wholesale. He paid a fixed fee for a minimum bandwidth so All I had to
do was log in to his server and see how his bandwidth usage for the
month was going and average out my own use in accordance.

From that arrangement I then moved straight to HFC cable skipping the
entire ADSL fraudband offerings. Never looked back. Now I'm on optical
fibre and loving it.


--

Xeno

On 7/02/2016 11:04 PM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:23:40 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/02/2016 3:02 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:36:10 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well said, Nancy. A voice of reason here. That's the way I feel too. A
>>>>>> long time couple living and working together doesn't need to always
>>>>>> add a "please" to every simple request. It's known to be a request and
>>>>>> not some control issue. Folks here often take things to the extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>
>>>> The tone used is also a determinant as to whether it's an order or a
>>>> request, especially in the absence of 'please'.
>>>
>>> Correct! If I was a surgical nurse and being well paid to take
>>> orders, then I'd take them. Quite frankly, I don't think the Dr.
>>> would be barking orders at me anyway, because that would be what's
>>> known as a toxic work environment.
>>
>> Scalpel!
>
> Eh-Oh! ;-)
>
Just say "NO". Didn't you get that tone of voice she used? And the
exclamation mark too! How rude and demanding! ;-)

--

Xeno

On 8/02/2016 12:22 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 06/02/2016 5:17 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> Some years later our next door neighbour produced a ginger-haired baby
>>>>> girl and named her Wendy. Then they asked us to change our cat's name
>>>>> "to avoid embarrassment" in case other neighbours thought they had named
>>>>> baby after our cat. I explained that we were not at all embarrassed so
>>>>> we were sticking with the cat's name.
>>>>>
>>>>> They got over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>> Why on earth would the neighbors care what your cat was named?! That is
>>>> just this side of stupid. Don't name your cat the same thing as ours.
>>>> Um, why?
>>>
>>> It was their baby who had the same name as our cat.
>>>
>>> Except in city apartments, in UK most pet cats have free access to
>>> outside and wander freely round the neighbourhood.
>>
>> A neighbour of ours in the Suffolk village where I was brought up, had a
>> remedy for those cats: a .410 shotgun! Nobody complained!
>> Graham
>
> You left Suffolk a long time ago. Nowadays it's a criminal offence to
> shoot a domestic cat.
>
> Janet UK
>
Where I came from, it was an offence to discharge a firearm within a
mile of a built up area. It therefore wasn't legal to shot a domestic
cat even back then.

--

Xeno

"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/02/2016 11:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:00:14 -0500, S Viemeister
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>>>>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>>>>
>>>> <grinds teeth>
>>>> About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
>>>> they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
>>>> 'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
>>>> have gone over to satellite.
>>>
>>> The silly thing is I can recall dial up being at least as fast as my
>>> current 'broadband' connection in terms of actual use. Of course, web
>>> pages etc. were a *lot* smaller data-wise back then too.
>>
>> I can remember having dial up and having to pay by the time on, and
>> someone saying that one day, we would have a flat rate ... I didn't
>> believe him))
>
> It had to come. The rippoffs that were rife back in the dialup days were
> nasty.
> One of the reasons the ISP charged by online time was the number of modems
> they had. A typical small ISP would have, say, 10 modems using a single
> common number. These 10 modems allowed them to sign up 100 customers.
> Effectively each customer would only want to be online for a couple of
> hours a day so the modems were effectively shared. Of course, this simple
> arrangement only worked as long as all the customers spread their logged
> in time over the entire day. People being people, they wanted to hog the
> 'peak time' when they were home form work/school/etc. Endless busy signals
> were the order of the day. The ISP then decided to sign up another hundred
> customers but added no more modems. At one ISP, it eventually became so
> bad that I could rarely get online before 10 or 11PM. It became worse so
> that I couldn't get online before 1AM. That was when I pulled the pin on
> it as I was also getting charged by the phone company back then for the
> failed logons at the minimum local call rate.

Pretty much the same here! We both worked full time.


> A friend, who ran a very small ISP, offered me a better deal. All I had to
> do was pay for a second line (business line) into his premises and supply
> a modem to install and connect to that line. I think he had about 8 or 9
> existing (hard wired) lines into his premises for his other customers and
> I just used up the last one. The difference for me was that my business
> number, though located at his place, was unique to me so I was the only
> one using the line associated with it. My only fee was to the phone
> company for line rental and a flat fee per local call. I think back then
> it was 10 cents per call untimed. I could stay online 24/7 if I felt like
> it. Of course I didn't because that meant people couldn't ring me at my
> home number because it would be busy since I was calling out on it. He
> didn't charge me anything (nice to have friends like that) as long as I
> didn't overuse the bandwidth he was buying wholesale. He paid a fixed fee
> for a minimum bandwidth so All I had to do was log in to his server and
> see how his bandwidth usage for the month was going and average out my own
> use in accordance.
>
> From that arrangement I then moved straight to HFC cable skipping the
> entire ADSL fraudband offerings. Never looked back. Now I'm on optical
> fibre and loving it.

Oh yes! What a difference that made We have the same)

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On 2/6/2016 10:08 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/02/2016 9:00 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/6/2016 12:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> last week we got connected to the island's brand new undersea-
>>> cable highspeed broadband. Nyah nyah nyah.
>>>
>> <grinds teeth>
>> About a year ago, OpenReach ran fibre along the north coast road - but
>> they didn't bother to run a line up the road past my house. Our
>> 'broadband' is so incredibly slow, a number of people in the village
>> have gone over to satellite.
>>
> You don't have broadband, you have 'fraudband'. ;-)
>
And we pay the same as people in cities with _real_ broadband!

On 2016-02-06 10:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/6/2016 12:59 PM, wrote:
>
>> When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
>> switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
>> the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
>> like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill
>>
>
> Good for you. My MIL would have done that and used a butter knife to
> turn the screws.

It usually takes four women to do that job.... one to do the work and
three to write about it.

;-)

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 11:31:04 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-02-06 10:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/6/2016 12:59 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
>>> switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
>>> the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
>>> like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill
>>>
>>
>> Good for you. My MIL would have done that and used a butter knife to
>> turn the screws.
>
>It usually takes four women to do that job.... one to do the work and
>three to write about it.
>
>;-)

You're so ****ing wrong!

wrote in message ...

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 11:31:04 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-02-06 10:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/6/2016 12:59 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
>>> switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
>>> the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
>>> like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill
>>>
>>
>> Good for you. My MIL would have done that and used a butter knife to
>> turn the screws.
>
>It usually takes four women to do that job.... one to do the work and
>three to write about it.
>
>;-)

You're so ****ing wrong!
============

That surprises you?

Cheri

On 07/02/2016 9:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-06 10:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/6/2016 12:59 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> When I bought this condo I didn't care for the style of plug and
>>> switchplate covers and changed them myself - plugs involved changing
>>> the whole works behind the plate - no probs. I enjoy doing things
>>> like that myself, nice when you don't have to pay a bill
>>>
>>
>> Good for you. My MIL would have done that and used a butter knife to
>> turn the screws.
>
> It usually takes four women to do that job.... one to do the work and
> three to write about it.
>
> ;-)
>
If they are militant feminists, one does the job and the others make
sure she derives no pleasure from it:-)
Graham