On 10/02/2016 3:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/10/2016 1:30 PM, graham wrote:
>> Have you not heard of the "Black Death" and the "Great Plague"?
>
> The "Black Death" aka Bubonic plague was spread by fleas carried by rats
> in the 14th century or thereabouts. Do you have rats and fleas in your
> house?! What a ridiculous argument.
>
> Jill
Look at the post to which this was a reply!

On 2016-02-10 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>
> What the heck is "talking American"?
\

Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
;-)

On 2016-02-10 4:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> This one doesn't care whether I breathe the same molecules
> as Jesus (if he ever existed, anyway).


There have been lots of people who exist(ed) with that name, but I think
most of them were/are Mexican.

On 2016-02-10 4:48 PM, Janet B wrote:

>> It helps when they are raised by a mother that teaches them to hunt. I
>> have seen cats do that. We had a section of sidewalk to our front door
>> that has stone wall on both sides. Our cat had captured a mouse and
>> brought it there along with the kittens and gave them each a chance to
>> attack it while she stood back to prevent its escape.
>>
> You know those goats that are used to clear hillsides of weeds? They
> need to be raised by a mother who eats weeds or the goat babies will
> never learn to eat weeds.
>
Yeah.... whatever.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:10:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-02-10 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
>\
>
>Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
>;-)

And pronouncing 'herb' correctly!

On 2/10/2016 1:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-10 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
> \
>
> Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
> ;-)
>

Sure we do - it's zee!

Zed makes me giggle.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:04:50 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:12:12 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 11:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> Yes, I've seen the innocent pleasure of being mauled by dogs, run over
>>>> by cars etc., lazy owners and nothing more. Cats can do all of those
>>>> things indoors with proper equipment, and they can also be outside in
>>>> protective kennels, but lazy owners would sooner wax poetic about the
>>>> joys of animals running free, while remaining lazy and irresponsible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Thank you, Cheri! When Persia was alive I had a mesh kitty enclosure
>>> and I'd let her go outside in that. She wasn't killing birds, not even
>>> when the small sparrows hopped through the mesh and got right in with
>>> her. She looked at them like they were oddities.
>>>
>>> Toys (and owner interaction) provide plenty of physical stimulation.
>>> The owners need to take time to play with the cat. Domestic cats don't
>>> need to kill things to be happy.
>>>
>>> Again, I think it's a cultural difference. I wouldn't dream of letting
>>> my cat outide.
>>
>> Not everyone live in urban or built-up areas.
>>
>I have never lived in an urban or built-up area.

From what I've seen of Dataw Island, it's a built up area? It is by
standards anyway.

>Even when I was still
>in west Tennessee I lived as far away from the "city" (Memphis) as
>possible. There was still traffic on the neighborhood streets, people
>who let dogs run loose, etc. Just not a good environment for cats to be
>running around outside.

It doesn't sound like a good environment for them to running loose to
me either, but that IMO is what I call an urban or built up area.

>And really, it's not necessary in order for
>them to be happy. It's much healthier for them to stay inside.

It all depends on circumstances, including the cat itself. Mine are
safe outside here. Realistically, the only possible danger to them
would be a tiger snake.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:13:25 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 1:30 PM, graham wrote:
>> Have you not heard of the "Black Death" and the "Great Plague"?
>
>The "Black Death" aka Bubonic plague was spread by fleas carried by rats
>in the 14th century or thereabouts. Do you have rats and fleas in your
>house?! What a ridiculous argument.

You expected anything better?

On 2/10/2016 3:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> You won't find it in my kitchen because the bag of salt that I bought
> had hard, insoluble, quartz-like, particles in the mix. I suppose I
> could have dissolved the salt in water and evaporated the water out but
> that seems kinda pointless.

I have pink crystal salt that I use a grinder for. For one it looks
pretty because pink is my favorite color, and I like the different
shapes of salt that are ground out into my food. Most of it grinds very
small but there are some flakes that come out, too.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:56:37 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 10/02/2016 3:12 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:05:21 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2016 3:03 PM, graham wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2016 2:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> I'd like my DNA stuffed in plant genes and cast
>>>>> throughout the planet. That would be cool.
>>>>
>>>> Humans already share half of their genome with the banana.
>>>>
>>> That's more obvious with Jebus than most!:-)
>>
>> Answer the questions I posed to you, you intellectual coward.
>> Or are you just going to run anyway from them, like you always have in
>> the past?
>>
>Pull yer head in!

Yes graham... I should pull my head in.
And NOT take you to task for making misinformed, oversimplified
blanket statements - then running away from backing up your arguments.
So much for your credibility.

On 2/10/2016 8:48 AM, Janet wrote:

> I've never had an indoor one. Nor would I, because I've seen how much
> innocent pleasure cats get from an outdoor life, exploring, climbing,
> surveying the passing world from a vantage point, chasing leaves and
> mice, basking in the sun etc.

From the time I started having cats for pets I used to plan for having
a home where they are safe to go outdoors. Our cat when I was a kid was
an indoor-outdoor cat and she lived to be about 21, or maybe a little
more. As time went on I decided no matter whether I live near a busy
road or not, there just isn't a safe place here. I make due with lots of
play time with them, there are 4 of them so they can keep each other
company and play, and lots of toys and climbing places + an outdoor
enclosure that lets them dig, chew grass and bask in the sun in safety.

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On 2/10/2016 1:55 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2/10/2016 3:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> You won't find it in my kitchen because the bag of salt that I bought
>> had hard, insoluble, quartz-like, particles in the mix. I suppose I
>> could have dissolved the salt in water and evaporated the water out but
>> that seems kinda pointless.
>
> I have pink crystal salt that I use a grinder for. For one it looks
> pretty because pink is my favorite color, and I like the different
> shapes of salt that are ground out into my food. Most of it grinds very
> small but there are some flakes that come out, too.
>

I must have had a bad batch of salt. I dissolved some in water and was
shocked at the amount of grit on the bottom. I just dumped the bag. I
should just stick with Hawaiian alaea salt for my colored salt needs.

On 2/10/2016 2:42 PM, Je�us wrote:

> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.

Cats seem to have a very extensive language involving their tails. I
often see mine wrap their tails around each other either while just
sitting, sleeping on my bed, or even walking together down the hall when
it's mealtime and they had to come get me.

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On 2/10/2016 4:01 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:42:28 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
>> That might be a good idea I'm glad Lucy hasn't figured out the
>> lever tap in the kitchen. She did open the large glass sliding door
>> once. I watched her prise it open enough to put the edge of the door
>> in her mouth and slide it open. Thankfully she never did it again.
>>
>> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
>> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
>> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
>> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
>> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
>> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.
>
> I have contemplated putting a spy camera in here to see just what she
> gets up to, could move it room to room.
>
LOL! I did that one time and I didn't see any activity until it was
close to the time for me to come home from work. They just slept all
day. Now that I work from home all of the time, it is still the same.
They sleep.

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On 2/10/2016 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>
> What the heck is "talking American"?
>
> Jill

Maybe he means talking fat. ;P

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:18:19 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 2:42 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
>> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
>> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
>> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
>> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
>> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.
>
>Cats seem to have a very extensive language involving their tails. I
>often see mine wrap their tails around each other either while just
>sitting, sleeping on my bed, or even walking together down the hall when
>it's mealtime and they had to come get me.

Indeed, their tails are a very good indicator of their mood and state
of mind - or their intentions if approaching another cat, IME. I think
some cats also 'talk' with their eyes. I know my Annie does - often
when I talk to her she will respond or at least acknowledge me by
slowly blinking her eyes.

Interestingly, in the documentary I mentioned above, they were
conjecturing on why cats will sometimes furiously lick themselves
abruptly. They weren't sure if it was a sign of stress or not. No
doubt in my mind that it is an indication of stress (be it minor or
major).

On 2/10/2016 4:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 3:50:38 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:48:47 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 10:35 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:23:59 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You won't find it in my kitchen because the bag of salt that I bought
>>>>> had hard, insoluble, quartz-like, particles in the mix. I suppose I
>>>>> could have dissolved the salt in water and evaporated the water out but
>>>>> that seems kinda pointless.
>>>>
>>>> You can buy it in any form, what I buy has the same consistency of
>>>> normal table salt. Only practical difference usage-wise is it doesn't
>>>> contain anti-caking agents, so I have to shake the jar/shaker before
>>>> using. It tastes so much better than normal table salt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It ought to There's a lot of Earth's history locked in those crystals.
>>> Unlike most seasonings, it contains no atoms connected with mankind. The
>>> air we breathe contains molecules that Jesus once breathed. Fossil salt,
>>> however, contains no molecules of our species. It's rather unique in
>>> that regard.
>>
>> Which American wants to consume molecules that Jesus never breathed?
>
> This one doesn't care whether I breathe the same molecules
> as Jesus (if he ever existed, anyway).
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Ditto. This part of the conversation sure got weird.

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On 2/10/2016 4:12 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Occasionally where I live there are people asking for help finding their
> lost cat. Well, if you didn't let it out you'd know where it was,
> wouldn't you? I simply don't understand it.

I'm assuming you mean those who let their cats out, but even those who
don't sometimes find that their indoor cat got out somehow. Cats are
wily critters <-- lol at critters

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Xeno wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 11/02/2016 12:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Xeno wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10/02/2016 9:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:40:34 +1100, Xeno
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 10/02/2016 3:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 22:36:15 -0500, jmcquown
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2/7/2016 7:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where I am, they are not supposed to run loose, but a
> > > > > > > > person can't shoot them (who the Hell would want to do
> > > > > > > > that) but you can trap them and take them to the animal
> > > > > > > > shelter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheri
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently graham thinks shooting cats is a good idea.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As for cats running loose, I think it's a bit of a
> > > > > > > cultural thing. I've never had a cat that ran around
> > > > > > > loose outside.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Australia, it's very much frowned upon. Cats kill large
> > > > > > amounts of native critters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > That would be 'native fauna' or 'native wildlife'. The term
> > > > > 'critters' a distinctly UScentric term that is frowned on in
> > > > > this country almost as much as a cat that's running loose
> > > > > outside. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Streuth,
> > >
> > > That would be 'strewth'. ;-)
> > >
> > > > I have to stop copying how people talk in rfc, lest people
> > > > start calling me a seppo.
> > > >
> > > You do indeed!
> >
> > I agree. God forbid that he might sound like a "UScentric" person.
> >
>
> Unfortunately god isn't taking sides.
> >
> > Funny how Aussies have this derogatory term for Americans but yet we
>
> Do you see it as derogatory? You just failed your "Aussie Culture"
> exam.

I don't consider UScentric as particularily an insult. It's a fact
that most people in the USA have never been outside their country and
have little regular interaction with people from elsewhere. Most as
you see here are just curious but a few aren't as accepting of a
'differnt way' as one could hope but it's normally on just a few things
that the particular person thinks should be 'USA-Way'.


> > don't have any derogatory terms for Australians that I know of.
>
> I'm sure you have.

Actually no, other than we tend to al use 'OZ' but then folks down
under do as well so that isnt an insult.

Xeno wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 11/02/2016 12:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Xeno wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/02/2016 12:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > > Xeno wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/02/2016 9:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:40:34 +1100, Xeno
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/02/2016 3:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 22:36:15 -0500, jmcquown
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2/7/2016 7:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Where I am, they are not supposed to run loose, but
> > > > > > > > > > a person can't shoot them (who the Hell would want
> > > > > > > > > > to do that) but you can trap them and take them to
> > > > > > > > > > the animal shelter.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheri
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently graham thinks shooting cats is a good idea.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As for cats running loose, I think it's a bit of a
> > > > > > > > > cultural thing. I've never had a cat that ran around
> > > > > > > > > loose outside.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Australia, it's very much frowned upon. Cats kill
> > > > > > > > large amounts of native critters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would be 'native fauna' or 'native wildlife'. The
> > > > > > > term 'critters' a distinctly UScentric term that is
> > > > > > > frowned on in this country almost as much as a cat that's
> > > > > > > running loose outside. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Streuth,
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be 'strewth'. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have to stop copying how people talk in rfc, lest people
> > > > > > start calling me a seppo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > You do indeed!
> > > >
> > > > I agree. God forbid that he might sound like a "UScentric"
> > > > person.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately god isn't taking sides.
> > > >
> > > > Funny how Aussies have this derogatory term for Americans but
> > > > yet we
> > >
> > > Do you see it as derogatory? You just failed your "Aussie
> > > Culture" exam.
> >
> > I looked up the definition.
>
> What took you so long?
>
> > "Slang for Americans - as septic tank rhymes with yank,
>
> Exactly.
>
> > but Americans are also full of shit like septic tanks"
> >
> If you say so...

Ah, I keyed in on the UScentric, not the other term.

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On 2/10/2016 7:27 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:18:19 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2016 2:42 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
>>> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
>>> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
>>> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
>>> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
>>> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.
>>
>> Cats seem to have a very extensive language involving their tails. I
>> often see mine wrap their tails around each other either while just
>> sitting, sleeping on my bed, or even walking together down the hall when
>> it's mealtime and they had to come get me.
>
> Indeed, their tails are a very good indicator of their mood and state
> of mind - or their intentions if approaching another cat, IME. I think
> some cats also 'talk' with their eyes. I know my Annie does - often
> when I talk to her she will respond or at least acknowledge me by
> slowly blinking her eyes.
>
> Interestingly, in the documentary I mentioned above, they were
> conjecturing on why cats will sometimes furiously lick themselves
> abruptly. They weren't sure if it was a sign of stress or not. No
> doubt in my mind that it is an indication of stress (be it minor or
> major).
>
>
They also "talk" with their ears. Pinned back, pointing forward, etc. I
agree that licking themselves furiously or even doing some things we
often take as contentment may mean something is wrong. Kneading or even
purring are not always signs of being content.

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:49:46 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >
> >> On 10/02/2016 3:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 22:36:15 -0500, jmcquown
> > >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Apparently graham thinks shooting cats is a good idea.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for cats running loose, I think it's a bit of a cultural
> thing. I've >> >> never had a cat that ran around loose outside.
> >> >
> >> > In Australia, it's very much frowned upon. Cats kill large
> amounts of >> > native critters.
> >
> > SOME cats do; IME most well fed domestic cats are too lazy and
> > wouldn't soil their paws. I've had pet cats which never hunted;
> > some which occasionally did, and one which hunted every day
> > throughout her life. Most days she brought home at least 3 dead
> > voles or mice and stashed them in her food dish for later. Not
> > counting the ones we never saw that she ate outside, we reckon that
> > during her 20 + year life she killed at least 20,000 mice and
> > voles. Without making the slightest impression on the local
> > population; in many species breeding is matched to local food
> > supply.
>
> Maybe there are no rare species where you live. Although I don't know
> what a vole is. Sounds like an Italian dish. Spaghetti con vole.

Hi Bruce, a Vole is a small rodent. We tend to call them field mice
here. Like gophers, they make many tunneled underground homes (smaller
tunnels due to smaller size).

OZ probably has some unique varients that we don't.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:23:07 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 4:01 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:42:28 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> That might be a good idea I'm glad Lucy hasn't figured out the
>>> lever tap in the kitchen. She did open the large glass sliding door
>>> once. I watched her prise it open enough to put the edge of the door
>>> in her mouth and slide it open. Thankfully she never did it again.
>>>
>>> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
>>> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
>>> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
>>> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
>>> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
>>> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.
>>
>> I have contemplated putting a spy camera in here to see just what she
>> gets up to, could move it room to room.
>>
>LOL! I did that one time and I didn't see any activity until it was
>close to the time for me to come home from work. They just slept all
>day. Now that I work from home all of the time, it is still the same.
>They sleep.

I think the stats for cats sleeping is something like 19 hours out of
24, I looked it up years ago when I thought the first indoor cat I had
slept too much.

On 2/10/2016 8:12 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Hi Bruce, a Vole is a small rodent. We tend to call them field mice
> here. Like gophers, they make many tunneled underground homes (smaller
> tunnels due to smaller size).

I never thought about what the difference is because they do look like
mice. I think the difference is in what damage they'll do to your property.

"Mice and voles are commonly lumped together, probably because the
differences between them are so slight. Both are small, furry rodents,
but mice generally have large eyes, large ears and long tails (close to
or greater than the length of their bodies). Voles have smaller eyes,
smaller ears (often concealed in their fur), and shorter tails. Voles
tend to be active day and night, whereas mice are mainly nocturnal. (
Meadow voles are commonly referred to as €œfield mice,€� which tends to
add to the confusion regarding these two groups of mammals!) There are
five species of mice in New England (white-footed, deer, house, meadow
jumping and woodland jumping), and four species of voles (meadow,
southern red-backed, rock and woodland)."

https://naturallycuriouswithmaryholl...mice-vs-voles/

I think voles are more damaging to your flower beds than mice are. That
is just a guess without looking it up.

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Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, says...
> >
> > On 2/7/2016 7:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > >
> > > Where I am, they are not supposed to run loose, but a person
> > > can't shoot them (who the Hell would want to do that) but you can
> > > trap them and take them to the animal shelter.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> > >
> > >
> > Apparently graham thinks shooting cats is a good idea.
> >
> > As for cats running loose, I think it's a bit of a cultural thing.
> > I've never had a cat that ran around loose outside.
>
> I've never had an indoor one. Nor would I, because I've seen how
> much innocent pleasure cats get from an outdoor life, exploring,
> climbing, surveying the passing world from a vantage point, chasing
> leaves and mice, basking in the sun etc.
>
> Janet UK

Janet, one of the issues that affects USA attitudes here is rabies.
It;s endemic to the local wildlife with highest numbers being Racoons,
Bats, and Skunks. The most common domestic to be afflicted is cats
(247 in 2015). Dogs, with a strong vaccine policy are a much smaller
number. It was for example 32 or 34 cats to 5 dogs in Virginia (I will
look it up if you need it but it's a simple google).

Even if many here don't really know the cat has a higher prevalence
than a dog, the general information tends to filter around as one of
many reasons why cats tend to be kept inside if true pets here.

UK is rabies free. (last case in 2002 aquired overseas).

I think Sheldon mentioned one of his bigger costs was basic shots for
the barn cats. Rabies would have been the primary one he took care of.



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On 2/10/2016 7:46 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2/10/2016 4:12 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Occasionally where I live there are people asking for help finding their
>> lost cat. Well, if you didn't let it out you'd know where it was,
>> wouldn't you? I simply don't understand it.
>
> I'm assuming you mean those who let their cats out, but even those who
> don't sometimes find that their indoor cat got out somehow. Cats are
> wily critters <-- lol at critters
>
Yes, I mean people who let their cats out and then wonder where the heck
is the cat? You let 'em out, they can go pretty much anywhere they want
to. Don't be surprised if they wander.

When I was cat-sitting for my neighbor she *insisted* I let her cats
out. Well heck, one of them didn't want to go out. What was I supposed
to do, throw him out the door? Nope, I let him stay in. Her other cat
couldn't wait to go out. And I couldn't get him to come back in at
night. I'd wind up fretting about it, but I sure wasn't going to spend
the night at her house calling for the cat.

Persia was an indoor cat but she managed to escape once. I went after
her and had almost coaxed her to come to me when some guy let his two
big dogs out, off leash, and vrooom! she took off. (I had some choice
words for that guy.) She was gone for a couple of days. I was sure she
was gone for good. I was very upset. Fortunately she did find her way
home safely. That little adventure (cold, rainy, sleeping under a bush)
cured her of wanting to go out.

LOL at "critters", too.

Jill

On 2/10/2016 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-10 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
> \
>
> Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
> ;-)
>
Zed?

Jill

On 2/10/2016 1:22 PM, wrote:
> Yes it's true - there is nothing amiss with an indoor cat, I wouldn't
> have an outdoor cat again. The vets all say indoor are healthier,
> happier cats.

Agreed. I feed birds on the patio, have a bird bath to which many birds
come. Buffy is perfectly happy indoors. She actually doesn't pay much
attention to the birds even though she can see them. She has plenty of
toys and we play together every day. She's healthy, happy and yes, will
likely live longer because she's not exposed to any sort of danger.

Jill

On 2/10/2016 7:27 PM, Je�us wrote:
> when I talk to her she will respond or at least acknowledge me by
> slowly blinking her eyes

Anyone who knows about cats know that slow blinky eye thing. It means
you have gained their trust.

Jill

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:52:49 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
>> ;-)
>>
>Zed?

Correct <G>. It's also the name of my friend's dawg.

On 2/10/2016 8:20 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:23:07 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> LOL! I did that one time and I didn't see any activity until it was
>> close to the time for me to come home from work. They just slept all
>> day. Now that I work from home all of the time, it is still the same.
>> They sleep.
>
> I think the stats for cats sleeping is something like 19 hours out of
> 24, I looked it up years ago when I thought the first indoor cat I had
> slept too much.
>
They're probably sleeping when they're outdoors, too. Under a bush or
someplace where they feel safe. You cannot change the metabolism of a
domestic cat just by changing the habitat. Cats definitely sleep a lot.
They eat, play/run around, do whatever for a few hours. Then they go
back to sleep.

As for tails... well, yes, there is tail language.

http://tinyurl.com/h7w63e6

Jill

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:09:55 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 7:27 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> when I talk to her she will respond or at least acknowledge me by
>> slowly blinking her eyes
>
>Anyone who knows about cats know that slow blinky eye thing. It means
>you have gained their trust.

Annie does it so pronounced and frequently that one of her many
nicknames is Blinkus.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:53:47 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 2/10/2016 7:27 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:18:19 -0500, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 2:42 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of Lucy, a few nights ago we watched a documentary on cats,
>>>> mainly about their 'language', the way they communicate and what they
>>>> get up to at night or when alone (they put cameras on the cats). Very
>>>> interesting, Lucy thought it extremely interesting, to the point she
>>>> was glued to the screen for the whole show - even when there were no
>>>> cats making sounds. Normally she doesn't pay any attention to the TV.
>>>
>>> Cats seem to have a very extensive language involving their tails. I
>>> often see mine wrap their tails around each other either while just
>>> sitting, sleeping on my bed, or even walking together down the hall when
>>> it's mealtime and they had to come get me.
>>
>> Indeed, their tails are a very good indicator of their mood and state
>> of mind - or their intentions if approaching another cat, IME. I think
>> some cats also 'talk' with their eyes. I know my Annie does - often
>> when I talk to her she will respond or at least acknowledge me by
>> slowly blinking her eyes.
>>
>> Interestingly, in the documentary I mentioned above, they were
>> conjecturing on why cats will sometimes furiously lick themselves
>> abruptly. They weren't sure if it was a sign of stress or not. No
>> doubt in my mind that it is an indication of stress (be it minor or
>> major).
>>
>>
>They also "talk" with their ears. Pinned back, pointing forward, etc. I
>agree that licking themselves furiously or even doing some things we
>often take as contentment may mean something is wrong. Kneading or even
>purring are not always signs of being content.

Yes. Purring can indicate pain too.

With sheep, it seems to be (almost) all about the ears. You can read
their moods by what their ears are doing. With ewes it indicates
caution or alarm. If my ram's ears go horizontal, I know it's time to
NOT turn my back on him

On 11/02/2016 8:13 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>
> What the heck is "talking American"?
>
> Jill

You'll recognise it when you hear it..

Then again, maybe you won't.

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Xeno

On 11/02/2016 8:17 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:13:51 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
>
> Is that so hard to understand? It's talking with an American accent,
> using typically American words.
>
It's a typical deafness brought about by excessive exposure. The only
cure is escape to a place where the 'talking American' is never heard.

--

Xeno

On 2/10/2016 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/02/2016 8:13 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
>>
>> Jill
>
> You'll recognise it when you hear it..
>
> Then again, maybe you won't.
>
Since I was born and raised in the US and have lived in many places on
this continent I sincerely doubt you have a clue what "talking American"
sounds like.

Jill

On 2/10/2016 11:39 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/02/2016 8:17 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:13:51 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>>
>>> What the heck is "talking American"?
>>
>> Is that so hard to understand? It's talking with an American accent,
>> using typically American words.
>>
> It's a typical deafness brought about by excessive exposure. The only
> cure is escape to a place where the 'talking American' is never heard.
>
Go the **** away, then. Most of us speak the same language but
apparently you don't.

Jill

On 11/02/2016 10:10 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-10 4:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:51:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh? If I suddenly start speaking American to people here, they'll
>>> raise an eyebrow too.
>>>
>> What the heck is "talking American"?
> \
>
> Not knowing how to pronounce the last letter of the English Alphabet.
> ;-)
>
Good start but still a long way to go. ;-)

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Xeno

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:52:39 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Xeno wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 11/02/2016 12:16 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > Xeno wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On 10/02/2016 9:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:40:34 +1100, Xeno
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > That would be 'native fauna' or 'native wildlife'. The term
>> > > > > 'critters' a distinctly UScentric term that is frowned on in
>> > > > > this country almost as much as a cat that's running loose
>> > > > > outside. ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > > Streuth,
>> > >
>> > > That would be 'strewth'. ;-)
>> > >
>> > > > I have to stop copying how people talk in rfc, lest people
>> > > > start calling me a seppo.
>> > > >
>> > > You do indeed!
>> >
>> > I agree. God forbid that he might sound like a "UScentric" person.
>> >
>>
>> Unfortunately god isn't taking sides.
>> >
>> > Funny how Aussies have this derogatory term for Americans but yet we
>>
>> Do you see it as derogatory? You just failed your "Aussie Culture"
>> exam.
>
>I don't consider UScentric as particularily an insult. It's a fact
>that most people in the USA have never been outside their country and
>have little regular interaction with people from elsewhere. Most as
>you see here are just curious but a few aren't as accepting of a
>'differnt way' as one could hope but it's normally on just a few things
>that the particular person thinks should be 'USA-Way'.
>
>
>> > don't have any derogatory terms for Australians that I know of.
>>
>> I'm sure you have.
>
>Actually no, other than we tend to al use 'OZ' but then folks down
>under do as well so that isnt an insult.

I don't think seppo is an insult either. Nor is pom (English), or
kiwi (New-Zealander) or wog (from around the Mediterranean) or skip
(Anglo-saxon Australian).

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Bruce

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:12:40 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:49:46 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> On 10/02/2016 3:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 22:36:15 -0500, jmcquown
>> > >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Apparently graham thinks shooting cats is a good idea.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for cats running loose, I think it's a bit of a cultural
>> thing. I've >> >> never had a cat that ran around loose outside.
>> >> >
>> >> > In Australia, it's very much frowned upon. Cats kill large
>> amounts of >> > native critters.
>> >
>> > SOME cats do; IME most well fed domestic cats are too lazy and
>> > wouldn't soil their paws. I've had pet cats which never hunted;
>> > some which occasionally did, and one which hunted every day
>> > throughout her life. Most days she brought home at least 3 dead
>> > voles or mice and stashed them in her food dish for later. Not
>> > counting the ones we never saw that she ate outside, we reckon that
>> > during her 20 + year life she killed at least 20,000 mice and
>> > voles. Without making the slightest impression on the local
>> > population; in many species breeding is matched to local food
>> > supply.
>>
>> Maybe there are no rare species where you live. Although I don't know
>> what a vole is. Sounds like an Italian dish. Spaghetti con vole.
>
>Hi Bruce, a Vole is a small rodent. We tend to call them field mice
>here. Like gophers, they make many tunneled underground homes (smaller
>tunnels due to smaller size).
>
>OZ probably has some unique varients that we don't.

Thanks, field mouse sounds familiar. In Australia they might have a
pouch.

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Bruce