Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
>>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from
>>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds
>>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when
>>> they take them?
>>
>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been
>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in
>> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge
>> surprise.
>
> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin.

Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:13:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to
>>>> someone over
>>>> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did.
>>>> Kids don't
>>>> care about gloomy, grownups care.
>>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station.
>>> I told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was
>>> fifteen. I explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed
>>> all of the trampoline parks off.
>>> Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
>>> comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
>>> I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws.
>>> I'm amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting
>>> rap.
>>
>> I think skiing is too dangerous and I wouldn't allow my daughter to
>> do it. Thankfully she sees it as dangerous too.
>
> WTF is the Blaisdell imbecile yammering about... sking is far too
> expensive for the average family... yer gonna ski outside your door on
> the city streets... you need hundreds of bucks worth of specialized
> clothing, even renting skis and boots ain't cheap, lift tickets ain't
> free, and you need to travel and pay for accomodations. Only
> relatively wealthy families ski. But any kid can take a sled to a
> snowy hill in a public park and have a grand time for an entire day
> for free. And skiing is dangerous, very much so, deadly dangerous.

Can sled if there is snow. And in many parts of the country there isn't or
rarely is. Sledding is also dangerous, especially if done on a road where
cars go.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:32:00 +0200, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Leonard Blaisdell" > ha scritto nel
>> messaggio
>>
>>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to
>>>> someone over
>>>> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did.
>>>> Kids don't
>>>> care about gloomy, grownups care.
>>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station.
>>> I told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was
>>> fifteen. I explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed
>>> all of the trampoline parks off.
>>> Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
>>> comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
>>> I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws.
>>> I'm amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting
>>> rap.
>>
>> They've redesigned trampolines to make them safer. There is a soft
>> "fence" just inside the support so that a kid can't hit his neck or
>> head on that metal anymore. I saw them at the beach. I suspect
>> there will still be waiver policies, and certainly age signs.
>
> Trampolenes sound like a very stupid idea to me... way too easy to
> become seriously injured, even killed... what's wrong with ball... I
> remember kids playing hard all day with only a pink rubber ball.

Hmmm... Pink ball? Or video game? I know which one I'd pick!

Giusi wrote:
> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" < ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think they did before TV? >> There is a big question
>>> about whether it is more dangerous or just more
>>> reported. If it is more dangerous, then change the culture. Make
>>> it safe
>>> for kids to group up and play. Bring back sidewalks. Runmble
>>> strip cul
>>> de sacs. Police parks. Kids live in the streets and survive in war
>>> zones,
>>> for crying out loud.
>>
>> I think it's a little of both. I think the way we isolate
>> ourselves makes it worse. Both because we feel we cannot trust
>> those around us, and because people are less invested in caring for
>> others around them if they don't know them. They are more likely to
>> do harm or to be negligent if it's some stranger than if it is
>> someone they see at neighborhood functions and talk to when coming
>> home from work, or over the back fence.
>
> My point is that no one can do it except the citizens. The culture
> has to make having good neighborhoods, having help for delinquents
> and addicts, watching out for each other and being helpful has to be
> more important than a motorhome or a fishing boat or an SUV or a 42"
> flat screen TV. If the neighborhood is going to hell in a
> handbasket, the government cannot fix it.

Where is all this money going to come from to do that?

There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.

You are so literal.

Julie Bove wrote:
> Giusi wrote:

>> My point is that no one can do it except the citizens. The culture
>> has to make having good neighborhoods, having help for delinquents
>> and addicts, watching out for each other and being helpful has to be
>> more important than a motorhome or a fishing boat or an SUV or a 42"
>> flat screen TV. If the neighborhood is going to hell in a
>> handbasket, the government cannot fix it.
>
> Where is all this money going to come from to do that?
>
> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>
>
How much money does it cost for parents to hang out outside, perhaps
getting to know each other while at the same time watching the kids play
together. That's free, yet can also be priceless.
Do you *always* have an excuse why things can't happen? That's your
troll schtick...right?

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>
> You are so literal.

So?

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> Giusi wrote:
>
>>> My point is that no one can do it except the citizens. The culture
>>> has to make having good neighborhoods, having help for delinquents
>>> and addicts, watching out for each other and being helpful has to be
>>> more important than a motorhome or a fishing boat or an SUV or a 42"
>>> flat screen TV. If the neighborhood is going to hell in a
>>> handbasket, the government cannot fix it.
>>
>> Where is all this money going to come from to do that?
>>
>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
> How much money does it cost for parents to hang out outside, perhaps
> getting to know each other while at the same time watching the kids play
> together. That's free, yet can also be priceless.
> Do you *always* have an excuse why things can't happen? That's your troll
> schtick...right?

The parents are at work!

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Giusi" > wrote in message
....
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>>
>> You are so literal.
>
> So?

It isn't always about you. It's rarely about you.

On Jul 15, 1:56*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> >> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>
> >>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
> >>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from
> >>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds
> >>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when
> >>> they take them?
>
> >> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been
> >> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in
> >> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge
> >> surprise.
>
> > Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin.
>
> Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids.

Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI carbs.
Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD
http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer --who thinks that a glass of milk
is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of milk
isn't really thinking. Perhaps his brains is starved. Eliminating
potatoes can't be bad. People who grow up obese are screwed, except
that no one wants to screw them. Most people look at them as
repugnant. The parents of this kid would have done less harm to her
if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street than to let her
get like this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg
Look at this shit: http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg
Oh, how darling. She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy:
http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493
That mother must really hate her daughter.

--Bryan

On 07/15/2011 12:02 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In .com>,
> Dave > wrote:
>

>> I am not so sure that the streets were much safer back then. There was a
>> murder in my small town. We all knew that we had to be careful about
>> strangers. There were cases of sexual molestation. There were kids
>> killed and kids that went missing. It was part of life and people tried
>> to street proof their kids. Now they cloister them.
>
> I don't think anyone believes it didn't happen in the past, but you
> better believe it's more common now.

Not according to all the research I've seen. It's just disseminated
better in fright-media.

Serene

--
http://www.momfoodproject.com

On 15/07/2011 4:47 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:
> On 07/15/2011 12:02 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>> In .com>,
>> Dave > wrote:
>>
>
>>> I am not so sure that the streets were much safer back then. There was a
>>> murder in my small town. We all knew that we had to be careful about
>>> strangers. There were cases of sexual molestation. There were kids
>>> killed and kids that went missing. It was part of life and people tried
>>> to street proof their kids. Now they cloister them.
>>
>> I don't think anyone believes it didn't happen in the past, but you
>> better believe it's more common now.
>
> Not according to all the research I've seen. It's just disseminated
> better in fright-media.


Yep. We read the occasional incident of teachers, priests etc molesting
children these days. Things like that often went unreported, but these
days we are also reading about people being charged for incidents
alleged to have happened decades ago and the RC church is facing one
lawsuit after another.

On 07/15/2011 08:58 AM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> I think the way we isolate ourselves
> makes it worse.

I agree.

> Both because we feel we cannot trust those around us,
> and because people are less invested in caring for others around them if
> they don't know them. They are more likely to do harm or to be
> negligent if it's some stranger than if it is someone they see at
> neighborhood functions and talk to when coming home from work, or over
> the back fence.

This I don't agree with, though. Most molestations, rapes, and murders
are not by strangers, but by someone known to the victim.

Serene

--
http://www.momfoodproject.com

On 15/07/2011 6:12 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:
> On 07/15/2011 08:58 AM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>> I think the way we isolate ourselves
>> makes it worse.
>
> I agree.
>
> > Both because we feel we cannot trust those around us,
>> and because people are less invested in caring for others around them if
>> they don't know them. They are more likely to do harm or to be
>> negligent if it's some stranger than if it is someone they see at
>> neighborhood functions and talk to when coming home from work, or over
>> the back fence.
>
> This I don't agree with, though. Most molestations, rapes, and murders
> are not by strangers, but by someone known to the victim.


Kinda blows the wind out of the sails of those who want to carry guns to
protect themselves from strangers.

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" <> wrote in part
> There are hardly any mothers in the neighborhood to keep an eye out
> for their own and other children. Most people don't even know their
> neighbors.

You've nailed what I see as part of the problem that we can do something
about. When did it happen that folks don't know their neighbors? We don't
get to choose our families or our neighbors (much) but it is surprising and
sad that people don't meet/know their neighbors. Being neighborly didn't
come easy to some of ours and it took years.
There's one home on our road where I've never met the folks. Don't
think they'll shoot me but they might not welcome me with open arms. ( or
they might) I just may bake them a banana nut bread and go introduce
myself. Do you know your neighbors? Polly

Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 15, 1:56 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>>>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking
>>>>> about a Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids
>>>>> away from their parents if the chunky little darlings are over
>>>>> weight. Sounds like a plan to me but what is the state going to
>>>>> do with them when they take them?
>>
>>>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been
>>>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight
>>>> in foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them
>>>> thin? Huge surprise.
>>
>>> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin.
>>
>> Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids.
>
> Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI carbs.
> Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD
> http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer --who thinks that a glass of milk
> is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of milk
> isn't really thinking. Perhaps his brains is starved. Eliminating
> potatoes can't be bad. People who grow up obese are screwed, except
> that no one wants to screw them. Most people look at them as
> repugnant. The parents of this kid would have done less harm to her
> if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street than to let her
> get like this:
> http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg
> Look at this shit:
> http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg
> Oh, how darling. She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy:
> http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493
> That mother must really hate her daughter.

I'm not looking at your pics because I suspect they are nasty. And what
makes you think a low GI diet does any good?

Giusi wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
>>
>> "Giusi" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>>>
>>> You are so literal.
>>
>> So?
>
> It isn't always about you. It's rarely about you.

I didn't say that it was.

Polly Esther wrote:
> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" <> wrote in part
>> There are hardly any mothers in the neighborhood to keep an eye out
>> for their own and other children. Most people don't even know their
>> neighbors.
>
> You've nailed what I see as part of the problem that we can do
> something about. When did it happen that folks don't know their
> neighbors? We don't get to choose our families or our neighbors
> (much) but it is surprising and sad that people don't meet/know their
> neighbors. Being neighborly didn't come easy to some of ours and it
> took years. There's one home on our road where I've never met the
> folks. Don't think they'll shoot me but they might not welcome me with
> open arms. ( or they might) I just may bake them a banana nut bread and
> go
> introduce myself. Do you know your neighbors? Polly

I guess it depends on where you live. In some of the military housing where
I lived, lots of people said they didn't want to get to know others because
they would soon be moving on. And when I lived in a civilian apartment I
had neighbors moving out right and left and new ones moving in. I tried to
throw a party to meet the neighbors. I invited them all. One man came. He
had a drinking problem. But he was very nice. When he wasn't out chasing
cars or any of the other idiotic things he did before he got kicked out.

My parents have several rental houses on their street. People generally
only stay for a few months at a time there. They get tired of going over to
introduce themselves only to have the people move.

I know the people on either side of me and one other family two doors down.
And some other people further down the street only because they have kids
that are or are near my daughter's age. But really I have nothing in common
with any of these people so aside from greeting each other now and then, we
don't get together.

During the day I am usually the only one home. When I am home. Everybody
works. The guy on the one side of me does construction so at times he is
home. But pretty much nobody else is.

On Jul 15, 9:18*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 1:56 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> Bryan wrote:
> >>> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> >>>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>
> >>>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking
> >>>>> about a Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids
> >>>>> away from their parents if the chunky little darlings are over
> >>>>> weight. Sounds like a plan to me but what is the state going to
> >>>>> do with them when they take them?
>
> >>>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been
> >>>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight
> >>>> in foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them
> >>>> thin? Huge surprise.
>
> >>> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin.
>
> >> Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids.
>
> > Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI carbs.
> > Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD
> >http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer--who thinks that a glass of milk
> > is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of milk
> > isn't really thinking. *Perhaps his brains is starved. *Eliminating
> > potatoes can't be bad. *People who grow up obese are screwed, except
> > that no one wants to screw them. *Most people look at them as
> > repugnant. *The parents of this kid would have done less harm to her
> > if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street than to let her
> > get like this:
> >http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg
> > Look at this shit:
> >http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg
> > Oh, how darling. *She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy:
> >http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493
> > That mother must really hate her daughter.
>
> I'm not looking at your pics because I suspect they are nasty. *And what
> makes you think a low GI diet does any good?

They are pix of obese kids, and that is indeed nasty. High GI foods
lead to rollercoastering blood sugar levels and hunger. A high fat
diet with lots of green veggies does exactly the opposite. I'd like
to see any reputable research that shows that a paleo diet is less
healthy for kids that one that turns them into tubs of lard.

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 15, 9:18 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> On Jul 15, 1:56 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking
>>>>>>> about a Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take
>>>>>>> kids away from their parents if the chunky little darlings are
>>>>>>> over weight. Sounds like a plan to me but what is the state
>>>>>>> going to do with them when they take them?
>>
>>>>>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have
>>>>>> been quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose
>>>>>> weight in foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make
>>>>>> them thin? Huge surprise.
>>
>>>>> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin.
>>
>>>> Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids.
>>
>>> Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI
>>> carbs. Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD
>>> http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer--who thinks that a glass of milk
>>> is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of
>>> milk isn't really thinking. Perhaps his brains is starved.
>>> Eliminating potatoes can't be bad. People who grow up obese are
>>> screwed, except that no one wants to screw them. Most people look
>>> at them as repugnant. The parents of this kid would have done less
>>> harm to her if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street
>>> than to let her get like this:
>>> http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg
>>> Look at this shit:
>>> http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg
>>> Oh, how darling. She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy:
>>> http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493
>>> That mother must really hate her daughter.
>>
>> I'm not looking at your pics because I suspect they are nasty. And
>> what makes you think a low GI diet does any good?
>
> They are pix of obese kids, and that is indeed nasty. High GI foods
> lead to rollercoastering blood sugar levels and hunger. A high fat
> diet with lots of green veggies does exactly the opposite. I'd like
> to see any reputable research that shows that a paleo diet is less
> healthy for kids that one that turns them into tubs of lard.


That's actually a fallacy for most people. I'm diabetic. GI means nothing
to me. And I do test my blood sugar a lot.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote
> what's wrong with ball... I
> remember kids playing hard all day with only a pink rubber ball.

Dangerous. I know of kids that played with their balls so much they went
blind.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Giusi" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> > ...
> >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
> >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their
> >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a
> >> plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take
> >> them? Here's a bit of the report
> >> http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...-says-parents-
> >> should-lose-custody-of-obese-children/
> >> Polly
> >
> > I think it's not just parents but the culture at fault. When kids ran
> > outside to play kick the can and could ride their bikes for miles to go
> > fishing, they were less fat. We sell them Nintendo, Wii, PlayStation, and
> > gear movies and TV to 12 year old boys and what do you think will happen?
>
> Kids can not do those sorts of things any more in many places because it is
> just not safe to do so. And here it is cold and cloudy much of the time.
> Nobody wants to hang around outside in conditions like that.

Oh noes, it's cloudy, better go indoors! For real?

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Giusi" > wrote:
> >
> >> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to someone
> >> over
> >> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did. Kids
> >> don't
> >> care about gloomy, grownups care.
> >
> > A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station. I
> > told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was fifteen. I
> > explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed all of the
> > trampoline parks off.
> > Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
> > comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
> > I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws. I'm
> > amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting rap.
>
> I think skiing is too dangerous and I wouldn't allow my daughter to do it.
> Thankfully she sees it as dangerous too.

Goddamn. Do you hold her hand crossing the street too?

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Giusi" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> > ...
>> >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
>> >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from
>> >> their
>> >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a
>> >> plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take
>> >> them? Here's a bit of the report
>> >> http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...-says-parents-
>> >> should-lose-custody-of-obese-children/
>> >> Polly
>> >
>> > I think it's not just parents but the culture at fault. When kids ran
>> > outside to play kick the can and could ride their bikes for miles to go
>> > fishing, they were less fat. We sell them Nintendo, Wii, PlayStation,
>> > and
>> > gear movies and TV to 12 year old boys and what do you think will
>> > happen?
>>
>> Kids can not do those sorts of things any more in many places because it
>> is
>> just not safe to do so. And here it is cold and cloudy much of the time.
>> Nobody wants to hang around outside in conditions like that.
>
> Oh noes, it's cloudy, better go indoors! For real?

Don't you live in a climate where it is warm? It's not often warm here.

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Giusi" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to someone
>> >> over
>> >> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did. Kids
>> >> don't
>> >> care about gloomy, grownups care.
>> >
>> > A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station. I
>> > told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was fifteen. I
>> > explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed all of the
>> > trampoline parks off.
>> > Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
>> > comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
>> > I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws. I'm
>> > amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting rap.
>>
>> I think skiing is too dangerous and I wouldn't allow my daughter to do
>> it.
>> Thankfully she sees it as dangerous too.
>
> Goddamn. Do you hold her hand crossing the street too?

She doesn't cross streets.

In article >,
"Polly Esther" > wrote:

> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" <> wrote in part
> > There are hardly any mothers in the neighborhood to keep an eye out
> > for their own and other children. Most people don't even know their
> > neighbors.
>
> You've nailed what I see as part of the problem that we can do something
> about. When did it happen that folks don't know their neighbors? We don't
> get to choose our families or our neighbors (much) but it is surprising and
> sad that people don't meet/know their neighbors. Being neighborly didn't
> come easy to some of ours and it took years.
> There's one home on our road where I've never met the folks. Don't
> think they'll shoot me but they might not welcome me with open arms. ( or
> they might) I just may bake them a banana nut bread and go introduce
> myself. Do you know your neighbors? Polly

I'm part of a community project that is designed to recreate the
community bonds that have gotten loosened and broken over the last 40
years or so. There are community dinners, various activity groups, a
newsletter, a community garden, that kind of thing. It's fantastic.

If we can do it, there are plenty of other neighbourhoods that can.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Jul 15, 5:12*pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> On 07/15/2011 08:58 AM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>
> > * I think the way we isolate ourselves
> > makes it worse.
>
> I agree.
>
> *> *Both because we feel we cannot trust those around us,
>
> > and because people are less invested in caring for others around them if
> > they don't know them. *They are more likely to do harm or to be
> > negligent if it's some stranger than if it is someone they see at
> > neighborhood functions and talk to when coming home from work, or over
> > the back fence.
>
> This I don't agree with, though. Most molestations, rapes, and murders
> are not by strangers, but by someone known to the victim.

True. Molestation by strangers is far less common than sexual
exploitation "by someone known to the victim." Sexual exploitation is
endemic in many cultures where stranger rape is very taboo. I believe
that there's less family/friends of family molestation now than there
used to be because children are more educated about it, and they are
taught that it isn't something that they brought on themselves, but
purely because of flawed character in the victimizer. Frankness about
sexuality with kids, and demystifying sexuality empowers young folks
to insist on sexual contact being more consensual. Intimidation and
manipulation of another person in order to sexually exploit them may
well be part of nature, especially for males, but like other
manifestation of *greed*, needs to be battled with instilling a strong
sense of empathy, as well as changing cultural norms of male supremacy
(patriarchy). Cultural values that are pro-greed are at least as much
a part of the problem as male supremacism. The solution is not to
masculinize females, but to promote compassion and a sense of equity
that extends to all human relations, not just sexuality.
>
> Serene

--Bryan

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Giusi wrote:

>>>>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> You are so literal.
>>>
>>> So?
>>
>> It isn't always about you. It's rarely about you.
>
> I didn't say that it was.

Every time you take a general statement or a philisophical statement and
deny it because it isn't true abouyt you, you are saying it is about you.
That's something you mom should have taught you, but didn't, so I just did.

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Giusi wrote:
>
>>>>>> There are no motorhomes or boats in this neighborhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so literal.
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>
>>> It isn't always about you. It's rarely about you.
>>
>> I didn't say that it was.
>
> Every time you take a general statement or a philisophical statement and
> deny it because it isn't true abouyt you, you are saying it is about you.
> That's something you mom should have taught you, but didn't, so I just
> did.

I said "this neighborhood". How is that about me? It's about this
neighborhood. Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio

Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.

I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52 when I
went to culinary school. I am learning another language. Learning as you
grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind off yourself and your
troubles.

Giusi wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.
>
> I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52
> when I went to culinary school. I am learning another language. Learning
> as you grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind
> off yourself and your troubles.

I didn't say I can't learn. It's just not up to you to teach me.

Julie Bove wrote:
> Giusi wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>> Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.
>>
>> I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52
>> when I went to culinary school. I am learning another language. Learning
>> as you grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind
>> off yourself and your troubles.
>
> I didn't say I can't learn. It's just not up to you to teach me.
>
Do you suppose that the fact that you are near universally disliked and
disrespected might have anything to do with your attitude?

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Giusi" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to someone
> >> >> over
> >> >> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did. Kids
> >> >> don't
> >> >> care about gloomy, grownups care.
> >> >
> >> > A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station. I
> >> > told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was fifteen. I
> >> > explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed all of the
> >> > trampoline parks off.
> >> > Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
> >> > comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
> >> > I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws. I'm
> >> > amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting rap.
> >>
> >> I think skiing is too dangerous and I wouldn't allow my daughter to do
> >> it.
> >> Thankfully she sees it as dangerous too.
> >
> > Goddamn. Do you hold her hand crossing the street too?
>
> She doesn't cross streets.

She's going to have to leave your block sometime.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Giusi" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> > ...
> >> >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
> >> >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from
> >> >> their
> >> >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a
> >> >> plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take
> >> >> them? Here's a bit of the report
> >> >> http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...rof-says-paren
> >> >> ts-
> >> >> should-lose-custody-of-obese-children/
> >> >> Polly
> >> >
> >> > I think it's not just parents but the culture at fault. When kids ran
> >> > outside to play kick the can and could ride their bikes for miles to go
> >> > fishing, they were less fat. We sell them Nintendo, Wii, PlayStation,
> >> > and
> >> > gear movies and TV to 12 year old boys and what do you think will
> >> > happen?
> >>
> >> Kids can not do those sorts of things any more in many places because it
> >> is
> >> just not safe to do so. And here it is cold and cloudy much of the time.
> >> Nobody wants to hang around outside in conditions like that.
> >
> > Oh noes, it's cloudy, better go indoors! For real?
>
> Don't you live in a climate where it is warm? It's not often warm here.

Only part of the year. But if there's cloud cover we don't go indoors,
ffs.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Giusi wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>> Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.
>>
>> I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52
>> when I went to culinary school. I am learning another language. Learning
>> as you grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind
>> off yourself and your troubles.
>
> I didn't say I can't learn. It's just not up to you to teach me.
>

I've learned from just about everyone I've known. There are amazing people
in this world if you take the time to listen to them.

"Ed Pawlowski" > ha scritto nel messaggio news:7s-
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> Giusi wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.
>>>
>>> I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52
>>> when I went to culinary school. I am learning another language.
>>> Learning as you grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind
>>> off yourself and your troubles.
>>
>> I didn't say I can't learn. It's just not up to you to teach me.
>>
>
> I've learned from just about everyone I've known. There are amazing
> people in this world if you take the time to listen to them.

And it takes a village. Ed, what would you like to know, other than how to
be the mayor of a town in PA?

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:02:07 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:

> In article > ,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> On 15/07/2011 1:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I am 60. We had TV when I was a kid but we did not spend a lot of time
>>>> watching it. Admittedly, it was a small screen black and white, nothing
>>>> like the wide screen colour hi def that is available now. We had an
>>>> antennae that pulled in only 3 or 4 stations. We were not allowed to
>>>> watch much tv. My mother used to boot us out of the house to play. We
>>>> would head out on our bicycles and come back for meals, or pack a lunch.
>>>
>>> Streets were much safer then... I grew up on the streets of Brooklyn,
>>> back then a drive-by was the Good Humor man. There were no school
>>> buses, kindergartners walked to school ... mothers walked a kid to
>>> school the first week, that was it... kids grew up fast... today 40
>>> year olds are still living at home, and with no responsibilities.
>>
>> I am not so sure that the streets were much safer back then. There was a
>> murder in my small town. We all knew that we had to be careful about
>> strangers. There were cases of sexual molestation. There were kids
>> killed and kids that went missing. It was part of life and people tried
>> to street proof their kids. Now they cloister them.
>
> I don't think anyone believes it didn't happen in the past, but you
> better believe it's more common now.

violent crime is in fact decreasing in the u.s.:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States>

your pal,
blake

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> Giusi wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>> Oh and you can't teach me anything. I'm 52.
>>>
>>> I am older than that and can and do still learn. I was older than 52
>>> when I went to culinary school. I am learning another language.
>>> Learning as you grow older is good for the brain and takes your mind
>>> off yourself and your troubles.
>>
>> I didn't say I can't learn. It's just not up to you to teach me.
> Do you suppose that the fact that you are near universally disliked and
> disrespected might have anything to do with your attitude?

That is very harsh

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
>> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" <> wrote in part
>> > There are hardly any mothers in the neighborhood to keep an eye out
>> > for their own and other children. Most people don't even know their
>> > neighbors.
>>
>> You've nailed what I see as part of the problem that we can do
>> something
>> about. When did it happen that folks don't know their neighbors? We
>> don't
>> get to choose our families or our neighbors (much) but it is surprising
>> and
>> sad that people don't meet/know their neighbors. Being neighborly didn't
>> come easy to some of ours and it took years.
>> There's one home on our road where I've never met the folks. Don't
>> think they'll shoot me but they might not welcome me with open arms. (
>> or
>> they might) I just may bake them a banana nut bread and go introduce
>> myself. Do you know your neighbors? Polly
>
> I do. I live in the country now and our neighbors came to meet us
> and we went to meet them. People brought us produce from their gardens
> and invitations to a neighborhood barbecue and we brought baked goods to
> them. We have met several people who can babysit, drive our children
> places in a pinch, watch our animals while we are gone, and our children
> have farm sat/pet sat for them. We were told when it was safe to go
> swimming in the irrigation ditches and which side of the ditch to use.
> We buy hay and straw from our neighbors and plan on getting our next
> steer from one. Our butcher is about two miles from us and we get to
> see the animals he raises out on grass every time we pass. Folks we
> didn't even know came to help get me out of the snow and ice, when I
> foolishly pulled to the side of the road (instead of putting on my
> flashers and parking in the road) and got stuck. When I skidded into
> the irrigation ditch during the ice, other folks from the neighborhood
> brought their back hoe to hook up to our bumper and pulled the car out
> and then brought 50 pound sacks of their extra potatoes and onions over.
>
>
> There are a lot of things we don't like about this area. The lack of
> shopping (and I mean grocery stores), the lack of trees, winter. But
> our neighbors are some of the finest people around. They have been
> universally kind and friendly and all of them (with the exception of one
> house up the street from us) look out for all the rest.

It sounds like a wee bit of heaven

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Miche" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Giusi" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> What do you think they did before TV? I'll bet if you talk to
>> >> >> someone
>> >> >> over
>> >> >> 60 they'll tell you they did all the same games other kids did.
>> >> >> Kids
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> care about gloomy, grownups care.
>> >> >
>> >> > A couple of weeks ago, I took my granddaughters past a gas station.
>> >> > I
>> >> > told them that it was a trampoline park in 1962 when I was fifteen.
>> >> > I
>> >> > explained that lawsuits and insurance premiums killed all of the
>> >> > trampoline parks off.
>> >> > Today, in our local rag, I see that trampoline parks are making a
>> >> > comeback. I suspect they won't be here for very long.
>> >> > I miss the old days when local issues didn't become national laws.
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > amazed that kids can still ski without inciting a bad parenting rap.
>> >>
>> >> I think skiing is too dangerous and I wouldn't allow my daughter to do
>> >> it.
>> >> Thankfully she sees it as dangerous too.
>> >
>> > Goddamn. Do you hold her hand crossing the street too?
>>
>> She doesn't cross streets.
>
> She's going to have to leave your block sometime.

And most likely she will be driving. The last time I remember crossing a
street was like...back in May when we went to another city for a dance show.
It is just not something we have to do much of here. Most places have
parking lots. That one did too but it was across the street.