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What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a
Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? Here's a bit of the report http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...bese-children/ Polly |
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On 14/07/2011 2:58 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like > a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take > them? I agree that the parents are doing their children a big disservice when they allow them to become fat. I know of a few cases where kids who were quite chunky ended up slimming down in childhood. Then there is the Big Niece was a big kid with a big appetite who changed from stocky to plump to obese in her late teens, and who just keeps getting bigger. I don`t see taking the kids away from their parents benefiting anyone, and especially not the kids. Maybe the schools should get back to mandatory phys ed classes and failing those who can`t pass. And not just fail phys ed,... fail the year. Use some leverage to make them more active and eat less. We have enough `normal`people who put on too much weight as adults. For the life of me, I don`t understand how people can allow themselves to become 100 pounds or more overweight. When you are getting to the point where who are as big around as you are high, you really should be doing something about it. |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:13:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: > I don`t see taking the kids away from their parents benefiting anyone, > and especially not the kids. Maybe it should be treated for what it is, child abuse. Parents would need mandatory classes and physical exercise should be part of the sentence. I don't see anything like that happening at any point because people who abuse illegal drugs have a hard time finding treatment. They're only abusing food. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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In article >,
"Polly Esther" > wrote: > What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan > to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:33:55 +1200, Miche > wrote:
>In article >, > "Polly Esther" > wrote: > >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan >> to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > >Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. And the low IQ ones. |
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Miche wrote:
> In article >, > "Polly Esther" > wrote: > >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from >> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds >> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when >> they take them? > > Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. I was one of the super skinny ones and it wasn't my parent's fault. I ate. And ate and ate. But I couldn't gain an ounce. Yes I was active. I can remember my friend and I stuffing ourselves with food until we felt sick and then sitting in the kitchen chairs just staring at each other in the hopes of not burning any calories and putting on weight. She was skinny too but she was short. AFAIK people didn't make fun of her. I was very tall so it earned me the nickname of Lt. Twig. Twiggy was popular in those days and so was the original Star Trek. At came we did a Star Trek skit and that was the name I was given. It stuck. And now I am fat. And I don't overeat. For many years this was difficult for me because I was used to eating so much for so long. I had to learn to cut back and ignore hunger. Now this is easy to do with he gastroparesis. For the most part I do not feel hungry any more and sometimes I have to force myself to eat. Yes, once in a while I will feel hungry. But more often it will be what I call "eye hunger". I see something. A picture of food. An ad on TV. A recipe. And that looks appealing. So I will want it. But I am not taking in excess calories. I know this because I downloaded the Cron-O-Meter and for several weeks I ran all of everything I consumed through it to see where I stood nutritionally. Apparently I am severely lacking in vitamin E. But taking in mostly 1,000 calories per day. Once in a while as much as 1,200 calories a day. Hardly excess. As for kids, I have seen all manner of things. Extremely picky kids who are malnourished because they will eat little more than pasta, white rice and white bread. The one example I am thinking of is in counseling to overcome her food aversions. For some reason she believes if she eats other foods they will make her sick. I could understand this if she had an allergic reaction to a food or for some other reason fell ill after eating some food. But this isn't the case. Another girl is the youngest of a large family. Her mother has admitted that she doesn't feed her dinner till 10:00 at night and she doesn't know what she eats for the rest of the day. And I haven't seen her eat much aside from candy and fruit. She is allowed to pack her own meals. My daughter is also allowed to pack her own meals but they have to be nutritionally sound. There has to be a protein, a starch a vegetable and usually also a fruit. Another girl's mother complains that she is having low blood sugar and yet I have yet to see her eat a whole meal. The mom does not allow it. She will feed her a couple of bites of a protein bar, a few grapes or a cracker. The girl will complain that she is hungry but the mother won't let her have a meal. This girl is by no means overweight but is also not skinny scrawny. She will take her at times to McDonalds for something called a "Chicken Snacker". Now I don't know for sure what this is because I don't darken their door but it sounds to me like a snack and not a meal. I buy things from time to time for my husband that he does not eat and we can not eat. Like energy bars, cupcakes and cookies. Sometimes he eats these things. Sometimes not. I never know. If he doesn't eat them I will take them to the dance studio before they go bad. I have seen some of the skinniest kids, eating these in secret and wolfing down quantities that would make my stomach hurt! One such girl is on a strict diet and the mom said she is not allowed sugar. However she has given the girl sugar in lieu of meals on occasion. And she says the girl won't eat her meals. So I have seen all manner of things. I do not think you can tell what type of foods the child has been eating based on their size alone. Once in a while I will see some sort of skin rash that makes me think the child might have a food allergy that is either being ignored or is not known. And in the case of the girl with the food aversions, I suspect celiac based on several things the mother has told me. Such as crumbling teeth and lack of growth. This girl looks to be many years younger than she is. There is also something called Prader Willi. It is a medical condition that causes the sufferer to want to eat huge amounts of food. They never feel full. But there is a lot more to it than the eating. The people who suffer from this have something wrong with their brains. They do not develop normally physically and can have learning disabilities. They tend to be overweight even when placed on a strict diet of 800 calories per day and according to the show I watched on this that is all the calories their bodies need. Then there is Down Syndrome. People who suffer from this also tend to be overweight. And I am sure there are a lot of other syndomes or maladies that I don't even know of. Should we take all children away that are not of a certain weight? I think not. I don't know the answer. I do see parents who IMO are not feeding their children properly. In some cases perhaps they don't know what is right. Or maybe they do deep down inside but are doing otherwise. At least in this area, nutrition is covered in school. In many grades. My daughter knows what she is supposed to eat. |
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In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote: > Miche wrote: > > In article >, > > "Polly Esther" > wrote: > > > >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > >> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds > >> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when > >> they take them? > > > > Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. > > I was one of the super skinny ones and it wasn't my parent's fault. Exactly my point. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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On 07/14/2011 12:33 PM, Miche wrote:
> In >, > "Polly > wrote: > >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan >> to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > > Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. I hope you're just being caustic here and not serious, Miche. Serene -- http://www.momfoodproject.com |
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In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote: > On 07/14/2011 12:33 PM, Miche wrote: > > In >, > > "Polly > wrote: > > > >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan > >> to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > > > > Sounds fine to me as long as they take away the super-skinny ones too. > > I hope you're just being caustic here and not serious, Miche. Of course I'm just being caustic. I would NEVER suggest a child be taken away from their parents on the basis of one number. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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On Jul 14, 2:58*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> What do you think about this? *Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. *Sounds like a plan > to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > Here's a bit of the reporthttp://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/07/14/harvard-prof-says-pa... > Polly First off, who's to say that some of the larger children don't have a specific problem that makes them that way. It isn't ALWAYS the parents fault. Even if it is the parents' fault, how can the government just take so many children away? Because the obesity problem is through the roof lately, hundreds, maybe even thousands of children would be taken away from their homes throughout the country and then what? Put into foster homes? That would then in turn put the country into more of a deficit due to paying foster parents and orphanages. |
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![]() Polly Esther wrote: > > What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan > to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > Here's a bit of the report > http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...bese-children/ > Polly Take away is probably a bit much, but some court ordered nutrition and cooking classes might not be a bad idea. |
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Polly Esther wrote:
> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds > like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when > they take them? Here's a bit of the report > http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...bese-children/ > Polly Just why do you think this is a plan? Some kids have medical problems that make them overweight. I used to feel sorry for my friend's younger brother. He was very active in sports and his mom had him on a very strict diet because he was overweight. He had a thyroid problem. He ate so little and weighed so much. My friend was also a tad overweight but only through her hips and butt. Her mom put her on a really strict diet too. Boiled eggs for breakfast. Some kind of yucky looking bar for lunch. Broiled chicken or fish and veg for dinner. Didn't cause her to lose weight. |
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On 14/07/2011 6:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > Just why do you think this is a plan? Some kids have medical problems that > make them overweight. I used to feel sorry for my friend's younger brother. > He was very active in sports and his mom had him on a very strict diet > because he was overweight. He had a thyroid problem. For every overweight kid with a thyroid problem there are dozens who just eat too damned much and/or eat the wrong kind of food. Their parents give them them soft drinks, chips, juice and cookies. Then they sit around and watch television and play video games. That's why they are fat. |
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![]() "Dave Smith" > wrote in message .com... > On 14/07/2011 6:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >> >> Just why do you think this is a plan? Some kids have medical problems >> that >> make them overweight. I used to feel sorry for my friend's younger >> brother. >> He was very active in sports and his mom had him on a very strict diet >> because he was overweight. He had a thyroid problem. > > > For every overweight kid with a thyroid problem there are dozens who just > eat too damned much and/or eat the wrong kind of food. Their parents give > them them soft drinks, chips, juice and cookies. Then they sit around and > watch television and play video games. That's why they are fat. That could be. In this area there just aren't a lot of fat kids and the ones I do know of don't seem to eat junk. I'm just saying that you can't tell by looking at someone what all they eat. Unless of course it is smeared all over their face and shirt or they are holding a fast food bag. |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/07/2011 6:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >> >> Just why do you think this is a plan? Some kids have medical problems >> that >> make them overweight. I used to feel sorry for my friend's younger >> brother. >> He was very active in sports and his mom had him on a very strict diet >> because he was overweight. He had a thyroid problem. > > > For every overweight kid with a thyroid problem there are dozens who > just eat too damned much and/or eat the wrong kind of food. Their > parents give them them soft drinks, chips, juice and cookies. Then they > sit around and watch television and play video games. That's why they > are fat. > if a kid's thyroid is really that deficient to be fat, they'd probably not be all that active in sports either. If you don't have the metabolic energy to burn calories, do you think you'd have any energy to play basketball? People use thyroid dysfunction as an excuse far too often. Once a person is on replacement med therapy, that excuse should be pretty well invalid. |
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On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like > a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take > them? When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge surprise. Serene -- http://www.momfoodproject.com |
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On Jul 14, 6:26*pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: > > > What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > > their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like > > a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take > > them? > > When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been > quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in > foster care. *Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge > surprise. Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. > > Serene > --Bryan |
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Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: >> >>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from >>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds >>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when >>> they take them? >> >> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been >> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in >> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge >> surprise. > > Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids. |
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On Jul 15, 1:56*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Bryan wrote: > > On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: > > >>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > >>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > >>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds > >>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when > >>> they take them? > > >> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been > >> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in > >> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge > >> surprise. > > > Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. > > Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids. Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI carbs. Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer --who thinks that a glass of milk is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of milk isn't really thinking. Perhaps his brains is starved. Eliminating potatoes can't be bad. People who grow up obese are screwed, except that no one wants to screw them. Most people look at them as repugnant. The parents of this kid would have done less harm to her if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street than to let her get like this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg Look at this shit: http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg Oh, how darling. She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy: http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493 That mother must really hate her daughter. --Bryan |
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Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 15, 1:56 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> Bryan wrote: >>> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: >>>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: >> >>>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking >>>>> about a Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids >>>>> away from their parents if the chunky little darlings are over >>>>> weight. Sounds like a plan to me but what is the state going to >>>>> do with them when they take them? >> >>>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been >>>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight >>>> in foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them >>>> thin? Huge surprise. >> >>> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. >> >> Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids. > > Once you get them to a reasonable weight, they can have low GI carbs. > Any dumbass--like some clown who wrote an article on WebMD > http://www.webmd.com/sid-kircheimer --who thinks that a glass of milk > is better for a kid than cheese made from an equivalent amount of milk > isn't really thinking. Perhaps his brains is starved. Eliminating > potatoes can't be bad. People who grow up obese are screwed, except > that no one wants to screw them. Most people look at them as > repugnant. The parents of this kid would have done less harm to her > if they'd whored her out to the perv down the street than to let her > get like this: > http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/02/0...ld-obesity.jpg > Look at this shit: > http://www.lowdensitylifestyle.com/m...obesity2_0.jpg > Oh, how darling. She's got a cellulite ass, just like her mommy: > http://www.superstock.com/stock-phot...ges/4102-17493 > That mother must really hate her daughter. I'm not looking at your pics because I suspect they are nasty. And what makes you think a low GI diet does any good? |
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Julie Bove wrote:
> Bryan wrote: >> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: >>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: >>> >>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >>>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from >>>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds >>>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when >>>> they take them? >>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been >>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in >>> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge >>> surprise. >> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. > > Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids. > > Oh? -- Jean B. |
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On Jul 17, 10:18*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote: > > Bryan wrote: > >> On Jul 14, 6:26 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >>> On 07/14/2011 11:58 AM, Polly Esther wrote: > > >>>> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > >>>> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from > >>>> their parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds > >>>> like a plan to me but what is the state going to do with them when > >>>> they take them? > >>> When it's happened in the past (and it has), the children have been > >>> quietly returned to their parents, because they didn't lose weight in > >>> foster care. Oh, gosh, traumatizing kids doesn't make them thin? Huge > >>> surprise. > >> Keeping them the heck away from carbohydrates makes them thin. > > > Low carb diets are not recommended for growing kids. > > Oh? Julie can find sources on the internet that say exactly that, and she's pretty much a simpleton. There are things called essential amino acids and essential fatty acids, but there aren't essential carbs. If a child is getting fat, cut the carbs. If (s)he is too thin, increase the carbs. It really is tragic that a human being-- with the same feelings as everyone who is reading this has--can be condemned at such an early age to a life that is so unnecessarily disadvantaged. I wasn't kidding when I wrote that letting your daughter become obese is worse than whoring her out. > > -- > Jean B. --Bryan |
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Polly Esther wrote:
> > What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan > to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? A much better idea is to have posters in classrooms that heap ridicule and scorn on fat kids. Fat people get heart attacks! Fat people look fat! Fat people eat while people starve! Fat people contribute to global warming! That would work. Or, at least it's worth trying. It would be a lot cheaper. It's coming. I can feel it. Fat will be the new smoking. |
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"Mark Thorson" <> A much better idea is to have posters in classrooms
> that heap ridicule and scorn on fat kids. Fat people > get heart attacks! Fat people look fat! Fat people > eat while people starve! Fat people contribute to > global warming! > > That would work. Or, at least it's worth trying. > It would be a lot cheaper. > > It's coming. I can feel it. Fat will be the new > smoking. Mark, you're a sight. You know that? It is a serious problem. Dr. Rosenthal on 'House calls' said recently that overweight children have a much greater incidence of cancer as adults. If diabetes isn't tough enough - there's one more. Maybe we could just send them to camp. I well remember my camp summers. Up before dawn, always something exhausting going on and everybody was so hungry at mealtime there were no picky eaters. ( I was a picky eater but was so glad to get something to eat I'd have tried Armadillo.) Polly |
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![]() "Polly Esther" > wrote in message ... > "Mark Thorson" <> A much better idea is to have posters in classrooms >> that heap ridicule and scorn on fat kids. Fat people >> get heart attacks! Fat people look fat! Fat people >> eat while people starve! Fat people contribute to >> global warming! >> >> That would work. Or, at least it's worth trying. >> It would be a lot cheaper. >> >> It's coming. I can feel it. Fat will be the new >> smoking. > > Mark, you're a sight. You know that? It is a serious problem. Dr. > Rosenthal on 'House calls' said recently that overweight children have a > much greater incidence of cancer as adults. If diabetes isn't tough > enough - there's one more. > Maybe we could just send them to camp. I well remember my camp > summers. Up before dawn, always something exhausting going on and > everybody was so hungry at mealtime there were no picky eaters. ( I was a > picky eater but was so glad to get something to eat I'd have tried > Armadillo.) Polly I remember camp too. Cold showers and crap food. Peanut butter and mint jelly sandwiches. And a suitcase full of candy that my mom sent. |
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On Jul 14, 10:13*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" <> A much better idea is to have posters in classrooms > > > that heap ridicule and scorn on fat kids. *Fat people > > get heart attacks! *Fat people look fat! *Fat people > > eat while people starve! *Fat people contribute to > > global warming! > > > That would work. *Or, at least it's worth trying. > > It would be a lot cheaper. > > > It's coming. *I can feel it. *Fat will be the new > > smoking. > > Mark, you're a sight. *You know that? It is a serious problem. *Dr. > Rosenthal on 'House calls' said recently that overweight children have a > much greater incidence of cancer as adults. *If diabetes isn't tough > enough - there's one more. > * * *Maybe we could just send them to camp. *I well remember my camp > summers. *Up before dawn, always something exhausting going on and everybody > was so hungry at mealtime there were no picky eaters. *( I was a picky eater > but was so glad to get something to eat I'd have tried Armadillo.) Polly Fat camp where there are no foods above about 25 on the glycemic index. --Bryan |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> Polly Esther wrote: >> What do you think about this? Yesterday ABC news was talking about a >> Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their >> parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. Sounds like a plan >> to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > > A much better idea is to have posters in classrooms > that heap ridicule and scorn on fat kids. Fat people > get heart attacks! Fat people look fat! Fat people > eat while people starve! Fat people contribute to > global warming! > > That would work. Or, at least it's worth trying. > It would be a lot cheaper. > > It's coming. I can feel it. Fat will be the new > smoking. When she was in high school, my daughter, now 20, said that the attitude of many kids was that they would rather die than be fat. And that was not even what many of us would consider to be fat, more like not stick-thin. -- Jean B. |
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On Jul 14, 2:58*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> What do you think about this? *Yesterday ABC news was talking about a > Harvard professor who suggests the gov't should take kids away from their > parents if the chunky little darlings are over weight. *Sounds like a plan > to me but what is the state going to do with them when they take them? > Here's a bit of the reporthttp://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/07/14/harvard-prof- Turn them into a modern day Hitler Youth? Scary to contemplate. |
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