Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Of course but most of us might need a tad bit more experience than 2
> years as Governor before stepping into the White House. Would you like
> her running the country? I wouldn't. Nothing trumps her current
> position. Apparently Alaskans are fond of her for whatever reason. IMO
> she sure as hell doesn't have what it takes to assume the Presidency. As
> VP I'm sure she would be fine.
>
> Michael

I'd venture to say her two years of executive state government
experience is about equal to Obama's, eh?

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> He was born in New Haven Connecticut. He lived in Connecticut until the age
> of twelve then spent a year or so in Texas then went back to Connecticut.
> He also went to Philips Andover Academy as a youth. That is the bluest of
> the blue blood schools. His whole family has lived in Connecticut for
> generations. Prescott Bush never left. Bush Senior was a carpetbagger who
> claimed a parking lot in Houston was his home. Bush Junior is the only
> Bush who speaks with an accent. And any Texan will tell you it is a white
> trash accent they call "oil well."
>
> Paul
>
According to CNN, he moved there at age two.
He later attended Phillips Andover Academy...then Yale. Just as umpteen
youth around the country do.
Oddly, I never heard anyone complain about his accent before? I grew up
in Texas and Washington, D.C. myself.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> He was born in New Haven Connecticut. He lived in Connecticut until the
>> age of twelve then spent a year or so in Texas then went back to
>> Connecticut. He also went to Philips Andover Academy as a youth. That is
>> the bluest of the blue blood schools. His whole family has lived in
>> Connecticut for generations. Prescott Bush never left. Bush Senior was
>> a carpetbagger who claimed a parking lot in Houston was his home. Bush
>> Junior is the only Bush who speaks with an accent. And any Texan will
>> tell you it is a white trash accent they call "oil well."
>>
>> Paul
> According to CNN, he moved there at age two.
> He later attended Phillips Andover Academy...then Yale. Just as umpteen
> youth around the country do.
> Oddly, I never heard anyone complain about his accent before? I grew up in
> Texas and Washington, D.C. myself.

His official history does not jibe with were he actually was. He did not
grow up in Texas. The Bush family lived there briefly while dad was
dabbling in the oil business before he ran for office and moved the family
back to Connecticut. He briefly attended a Texas day school. His whole
family today calls Connecticut there home and his daddy lives in Maine.

And a great many Texans have commented on his accent. Molly Ivins called
him "all hat and no cattle." He bought his ranch when he ran for president
, his house was still being built when he was sworn in. He has a white
trash accent not what you'd expect from a fabulously wealthy family. None
of his brothers do. His mother and father don't. The Bush's are all Yale
and Harvard alums heck Prescott Bush was a Harvard Regent. Bush senior was
a Yale grad. Bush's dauhter is a Yale grad. They are an old East Coast
blue blood family and no misinformation they put out changes that.

Bush was an invention of Karl Rove.

Paul

Are we supposed to be talking food? I've lost my appetite.

No grampa, no gidget. No way.

In article >,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> He's been known to take a swing at people who confront him. They love to
> play up his POW status but the truth is experiences like that break people
> and affect them for the rest of their lives. I would love to hear what a
> psychiatrist would have to say about how 5 years of that kind of torment he
> suffered affects people. Extreme aggression is usually one symptom. You
> don't just get over that stuff.

Here's an interesting editorial letter on military.com from a Vietnam
POW who was imprisoned and tortured the same as McCain and who thinks he
is unfit to serve as president ...

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15...4859_1,00.html

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>
> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
> proud.
>

So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he was
not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy that
did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out causing
a death.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>
>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
>> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
>> proud.
>>
>
> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy
> that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out
> causing a death.
>

To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
ridiculous.

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> > Of course but most of us might need a tad bit more experience than 2
> > years as Governor before stepping into the White House. Would you like
> > her running the country? I wouldn't. Nothing trumps her current
> > position. Apparently Alaskans are fond of her for whatever reason. IMO
> > she sure as hell doesn't have what it takes to assume the Presidency. As
> > VP I'm sure she would be fine.
> >
> > Michael
>
> I'd venture to say her two years of executive state government
> experience is about equal to Obama's, eh?

If so, then McCain and his supporters can't take Obama to task for
lacking enough experience to be president. Eh?

"cybercat" > wrote in message
>>
>> She's a Hillarest to the bone. I imagine she'd do most anything to be
>> VP, let alone the Prez. She has been loyal to the party, but that has
>> paid dividends for her too.
>
> Edwin, you really don't know what the **** you're talking about.
>

You're too funny. Hillary is a carpetbagger that went to NY because there
was an opening. Yes, she has done a lot of good work for the Democrats, but
she has political ambitions and wants to be President. I think you'd be
amazed at just how far she'd go. She has been good for the people of NY,
but that does not make her any less of an opportunist.

In article >,
enigma > wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote in
> :
>
> > so, honestly, it doesn't sound like he's after everyone's
> > guns.
>
> true...
> i'm pretty sure that Palin just poisoned any chance McCain
> had of winning my vote anyway.

I spent today (Saturday) assisting residential college students where I
work with setting up their computers for Internet access. While I was
helping one freshman, she was sitting in her dorm talking with her
roommate and a friend about the election and Palin.

This young woman said she honestly thinks her parents would rather her
be a ******* then a Democrat, but that there is no way she would ever
vote for McCain due to his opposition to abortion rights. Her two
friends said the same thing. They also said they thought Palin was
"really hot" but then they said she's no reason to vote for McCain.

I also spoke with a 50 something female friend of mine who is a
long-time Hillary supporter. She thinks it was a lousy idea for McCain
to pick Palin. She said McCain has to be nuts if he thinks he'll win a
lot of votes from Hillary supporters by picking an anti-choice woman as
his running mate.

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> > No way. If Obama picked Hillary, it would have been a huge sign of
> > weakness on his part because he would have caved into the Clintons.
>
>
> I wonder if Hillary would have run if McCain picked her. Both are desperate
> enough to win to do something like that.

I honestly don't know, but the thought did occur to me. I think though
that if McCain picked Hillary, it would have sent conservative punsters
such as Ann Culter and Shawn Hannity into apoplexy, which would have
been very entertaining.

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> I'd venture to say her two years of executive state government
> experience is about equal to Obama's, eh?

Nah. Obama has never been in an executive position. Gosh, how I love to
see how different people see the world with radically different
perspectives.

OBFood: Last night I cashed now musgovian crops given to me by neighbors
into soup. It was basically tomato-pepper. I made croutons from an old
loaf of Raley's Dutch crunch French (Yep, that's what it's sold as) and
made grilled cheese (Velveeta) sandwiches to go with it.

leo

In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Stan Horwitz said...
>
> > In article >,
> > Dave Bell > wrote:
> >
> >> Sheldon wrote:
> >> > "Paul *Misogynist* Kook" wrote:
> >> >> "Sheldon" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
> >> >> _Boy_, I don't know what skeletons are in this
> >> >> babe's closet, but we'll find out soon enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul
> >> >
> >> > That you so glibly label Sarah Palin a "Babe" defines you as a flaming
> >> > misogynist.
> >>
> >> Oh, come on, Sheldon! She *is* a bit of a babe!
> >> Hell, I want to see what she can do (politically, you filthy minded...)
> >> Aside from being a little too conservative for my taste, I think she has
> >> guts and initiative. Governing a bunch of Alaskan hicks is pretty far
> >> distant from beltway politicin'. It just might be a refreshing change.
> >> And isn't "change" what this whole affair is about?
> >
> > McCain threw out any claim he has that experience is important in this
> > race when he selected Palin as his nominee. Considering that experience
> > is one of the few things McCain had up his sleeve, I think he made a
> > huge error by selecting Palin. He can't possibly take Obama to task for
> > being inexperience now because Palin lacks no experience at all in
> > national politics or foreign policy.
>
>
> Stan,
>
> Is it safe to say, America is up for grabs?

Yes, that's what happens with every presidential election, so it is
nothing new.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy
>> that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out
>> causing a death.
>>
>
> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
> ridiculous.

Ever play word association games? Same thing. Negatives tend to stick in
people's minds much more than positives.

Bush -- Iraq
Ted Kennedy -- drunk
Reagan -- naps
Clinton -- Monica

enigma wrote:

>> trying to get Bush impeached, but Pelosi has publicly
>> stated that impeachment is "off the table", and that she'll
>> kill any attempt to bring it forward.
>
> Pelosi is an idiot, but... it would be seen as a huge power
> grab by Dems if she had gone with impeachment. take out Bush &
> Cheney (& both should be impeached & sent to Gitmo for
> treason) and who becomes president? why, it's Pelosi!

LOL

Good point: And she'd be the FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT!

Bob

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common
>>> guy that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not
>>> wipe out causing a death.
>>>
>>
>> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
>> ridiculous.
>
> Ever play word association games? Same thing. Negatives tend to stick in
> people's minds much more than positives.
>
> Bush -- Iraq
> Ted Kennedy -- drunk
> Reagan -- naps
> Clinton -- Monica
>
>

I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were discussing the tacky mental habits of
idiots here.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> She's a Hillarest to the bone. I imagine she'd do most anything to be
>>> VP, let alone the Prez. She has been loyal to the party, but that has
>>> paid dividends for her too.
>>
>> Edwin, you really don't know what the **** you're talking about.
>>
>
> You're too funny. Hillary is a carpetbagger that went to NY because there
> was an opening. Yes, she has done a lot of good work for the Democrats,
> but she has political ambitions and wants to be President. I think you'd
> be amazed at just how far she'd go. She has been good for the people of
> NY, but that does not make her any less of an opportunist.
>

Every effective politician is an opportunist. They have to be. It's part of
the job.

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> Methinks you might want to research both candidates a bit more before
> making a statement like that. Look at the education and experience. I
> don't have anything against Palin personally. I don't believe she is a
> candidate I would want in the Oval Office which could very well happen
> considering McCain's age. Hopefully nothing would/will happen to him but
> at his age anything can happen. I think that the Repubs are grasping at
> straws to lessen the blow of what may very well be a landslide victory
> for the Dems. <shrug> who knows. Anyway I hate discussing politics.
>
If McCain wanted a female maverick with experience, he could have gone
with one of the Senators from Maine. Both Olympia Snowe and Susan
Collins are independent women who are well respected. Kay Bailey
Hutchison, although a more conventional Republican, also would have been
a more experienced choice. The rumor mill has it that she's bent on
running for Texas governor in 2010.

OB Food: Tonight's dinner was Aidell's red pepper and corn sausages
with steamed purple wax beans. This afternoon we grazed through Pike
Place Market. We started at a new deli, which had a very good knish.
Then we went to Sabra, where SO ordered a kofte burger. This was
followed by coffee/tea at Caffe D'Arte. We went back to the deli so SO
could get some chopped liver. The counter guy gave us a sample of their
pastrami, straight from Brooklyn. We'll definitely return there.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

cyber**** lashed out at George:

>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>
> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
> proud.

Yeah, George! How DARE you listen to that radio program! You should have
driven straight to the radio station and KILLED EVERYBODY THERE!

BTW, there's a term for the kind of government which tries to "level the
playing field" by giving money-for-nothing to the "disadvantaged." It's
called socialism. I personally don't care for it -- but that's because I
don't receive NEARLY as much from the government as I give to it. I can
understand why cyber****'s outlook would vary from mine.

Bob

blake asked:

> what are you right-wingers gonna do for a boogeyman when kennedy dies?

When that day happens (and I hope it's not too soon), I'm sure that Joe
Biden and/or Billary Clinton will fill Kennedy's shoes admirably.

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> cyber**** lashed out at George:
>
>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>
>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
>> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
>> proud.
>
> Yeah, George! How DARE you listen to that radio program! You should have
> driven straight to the radio station and KILLED EVERYBODY THERE!
>
> BTW, there's a term for the kind of government which tries to "level the
> playing field" by giving money-for-nothing to the "disadvantaged." It's
> called socialism. I personally don't care for it -- but that's because I
> don't receive NEARLY as much from the government as I give to it. I can
> understand why cyber****'s outlook would vary from mine.
>

You're sounding just a tad hysterical there, old girl. Touch a nerve, did I?

On Aug 29, 10:57*am, "Joe Cilinceon" > wrote:
> Am I the only one that the name Sally Fields came to mind the moment she
> started to speak. LOL
>
> --
>
> Joe Cilinceon

Yeah, me too. And she's got the international gravitas of a flea.

Did John McCain choose her so she could act as his external heart
pacemaker?
He's shot himself in the foot--the ultimate experiment in "Friendly
Fire." Sarah Palin is a gift--to the Democratic Party.

Melissa

On Aug 29, 4:04*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
>
> . ..
>
> > Nancy2 wrote:
>
> >> I find it odd that Barak is being lauded for "representing the common
> >> man," when last year's income was $4.2M. *How does that relate to the
> >> blue-collar worker, or the "common man?"
>
> >> N.
>
> > You think maybe someone earning $16k a year should run for president?
> > Get serious.
>
> > What's wrong with someone who has bootstrapped his way up from being a
> > common man to success?
>
> The right wing likes their presidents filthy rich and stupid. *Oh and white.
> Look how they chided Kerry for his selection of wives and yet they have zip
> to say about McCain doing the same thing. *McCain got into Annapolis because
> his dad was an admiral and yet they say Obama got preferential treatment
> getting accepted to Harvard. *They called Kerry a flip-flopper but McCain
> can't take the same stand 2 days in a row.
>
> Paul

Plus, McCain can't remember how many houses he has, yet expects us to
believe Obama's the elitist.

He trumpets the importance of experience all over the place, mocking
Obama for not having enough, insisting that his VP pick will be ready
to step into his shoes if he keels over in office. Then he picks this
political unknown from the least populous state with a brief and tiny
political resume and NO nationall exposure and expects us to believe
she's ready for the number two slot. NOTHING about Palin suggests to
me she could take over the presidency with any clue of what to do if
the worst should happen. Is McCain having a senior moment, or has
trying to brown nose George W Bush while still trying to prove he's a
maverick snapped his mind? Palin will be up against a six term
senator in the VP debate, and I have a feeling she'll look like
mooseburger herself when Biden's finished with her.

Note to John McCain. I'd love to see a woman president one day. But I
won't vote for a man just because he's a man, so why should I vote for
just any woman because she's a woman? Also, don't you think having a
four month old baby with Downs Syndrome might be just a bit
distractable when it comes to a national presidential campaign? If
possible, you've picked one of the few people possible to be a worse
president than George W. Bush. You're either incredibly cynical or
incredibly panicked, or incredibly both.

"Shiral" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 10:57 am, "Joe Cilinceon" > wrote:
> Am I the only one that the name Sally Fields came to mind the moment she
> started to speak. LOL
>
> --
>
> Joe Cilinceon

>Yeah, me too. And she's got the international gravitas of a flea.

>Did John McCain choose her so she could act as his external heart
>pacemaker?
>He's shot himself in the foot--the ultimate experiment in "Friendly
>Fire." Sarah Palin is a gift--to the Democratic Party.

Yepper. He looks so pleased and proud of himself. Maybe because she's
purty. lmao!! Stupid old man.

cyber**** wrote:

> You're sounding just a tad hysterical there, old girl. Touch a nerve, did
> I?

I think you gots a big ol' block o' gubmint cheese in yo' fridge, lil' ho'.

Bob

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

> "Shiral" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Aug 29, 10:57 am, "Joe Cilinceon" > wrote:
> > Am I the only one that the name Sally Fields came to mind the moment she
> > started to speak. LOL
> >
> > --
> >
> > Joe Cilinceon
>
> >Yeah, me too. And she's got the international gravitas of a flea.
>
> >Did John McCain choose her so she could act as his external heart
> >pacemaker?
> >He's shot himself in the foot--the ultimate experiment in "Friendly
> >Fire." Sarah Palin is a gift--to the Democratic Party.
>
> Yepper. He looks so pleased and proud of himself. Maybe because she's
> purty. lmao!! Stupid old man.

McCain's an idiot, through and through. Talk about flip flopping; he
tries to distance himself from Bush's failed policies, yet back in 2000
after McCain was swift boated by Bush and his man Rove, he
enthusiastically endorsed Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFrKWeFTSo

And back in March of THIS YEAR, McCain was all cozy with Bush to get his
endorsement for his candidacy. Just listen to Bush. He says right there,
that McCain is not going to change in how he deals with Iraq, yet
everybody but McCain and Bush realize that the Iraq war is a huge
disaster for both Iraq and the United States.

If anyone's a political whore, its McCain. He wants Bush to campaign
with him and raise money for his campaign, but he says he's opposed to
Bush's policies, yet he voted for over 90% of Bush's policies. Talk
about shameless flip flopping!

In article
>,
Leonard Blaisdell > wrote:

> In article >,
> Goomba > wrote:
>
> > I'd venture to say her two years of executive state government
> > experience is about equal to Obama's, eh?
>
> Nah. Obama has never been in an executive position. Gosh, how I love to
> see how different people see the world with radically different
> perspectives.

Being a governor of a state for less then two years where the population
doesn't even reach 1,000,000 isn't exactly a feather in the cap of
anyone who has designs on the presidency or vice presidency, but that in
and of itself isn't a deal breaker any more then Obama's lack of
long-term senate experience is. If experience is so important for
presidential candidates, then why in the world did the Republicans
eschew McCain in the 2000 Republican primary and nominate a draft dodger
with zero experience in foreign and national politics; a person who had
never even traveled abroad?

With Palin as his running mate, the question of experience or lack
thereof is simply off the table. That's McCain's big mistake in this
campaign because he just threw out the one area where he beats Obama,
experience, but even there, its not a big advantage because McCain's
experience sucks.

Stan wrote:

> If experience is so important for presidential candidates, then why in the
> world did the Republicans eschew McCain in the 2000 Republican primary and
> nominate a draft dodger with zero experience in foreign and national
> politics; a person who had never even traveled abroad?

Because that's who the voters *wanted*. I think hindsight shows it was a
disastrous mistake.

Bob

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
>> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
>> proud.
>>
>
> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he was
> not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy that
> did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out causing
> a death.
>
>
Couldn't have said it better.

cybercat wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "George" > wrote in message
>>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
>>> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
>>> proud.
>>>
>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy
>> that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out
>> causing a death.
>>
>
> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
> ridiculous.
>
>

Is there any particular reason why being associated with the death of
another human shouldn't be considered "significant"?. Thats the record
he made for himself.

bulka wrote:
>
> Are we supposed to be talking food? �

Well, duh...

> I've lost my appetite.

So CHOKE, you know nothing douchebag.

http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/recipe.cgi?r=167804

"George" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "George" > wrote in message
>>>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to
>>>> public service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must
>>>> be so proud.
>>>>
>>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common
>>> guy that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not
>>> wipe out causing a death.
>>>
>>
>> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
>> ridiculous.
>
> Is there any particular reason why being associated with the death of
> another human shouldn't be considered "significant"?. Thats the record he
> made for himself.

How old was he when the accident happend, George? And what has he done
since. You show a rabid partisan side on this topic that is not pretty.
Being involved in an accident is not at all the most significant thing Ted
Kennedy has done. The big Evil Deed you allude to has more to do with, as I
recall, an alleged attempted coverup of his involvement in the event. (I was
a child when it happened so the details are fuzzy. With Joe Kennedy as a
father, what would you expect to happen at that time? If indeed there was a
coverup, it was what many families might have done.

Even in the worst case scenario, which is indeed that Ted drove under the
influence, is responsible for the accident, then tried to cover it up out of
fear, it is *still* not the defining event of his life.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "George" > wrote in message
>>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to public
>>> service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must be so
>>> proud.
>>>
>>
>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common guy
>> that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe out
>> causing a death.
> Couldn't have said it better.

And it is *still* not the defining event of his life, tawdry as it is, if
the allegations are true. I'm embarrassed for both of you. You are old
enough to think better, but apparently not smart enough. Or just enough.

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> Stan wrote:
>
>> If experience is so important for presidential candidates, then why in
>> the world did the Republicans eschew McCain in the 2000 Republican
>> primary and nominate a draft dodger with zero experience in foreign and
>> national politics; a person who had never even traveled abroad?
>
> Because that's who the voters *wanted*. I think hindsight shows it was a
> disastrous mistake.
>

Oh yes, you bet old girl. A lot of terrible things came out of that.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> "Shiral" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Aug 29, 10:57 am, "Joe Cilinceon" > wrote:
>> > Am I the only one that the name Sally Fields came to mind the moment
>> > she
>> > started to speak. LOL
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Joe Cilinceon
>>
>> >Yeah, me too. And she's got the international gravitas of a flea.
>>
>> >Did John McCain choose her so she could act as his external heart
>> >pacemaker?
>> >He's shot himself in the foot--the ultimate experiment in "Friendly
>> >Fire." Sarah Palin is a gift--to the Democratic Party.
>>
>> Yepper. He looks so pleased and proud of himself. Maybe because she's
>> purty. lmao!! Stupid old man.
>
> McCain's an idiot, through and through. Talk about flip flopping; he
> tries to distance himself from Bush's failed policies, yet back in 2000
> after McCain was swift boated by Bush and his man Rove, he
> enthusiastically endorsed Bush
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFrKWeFTSo
>
> And back in March of THIS YEAR, McCain was all cozy with Bush to get his
> endorsement for his candidacy. Just listen to Bush. He says right there,
> that McCain is not going to change in how he deals with Iraq, yet
> everybody but McCain and Bush realize that the Iraq war is a huge
> disaster for both Iraq and the United States.
>
> If anyone's a political whore, its McCain. He wants Bush to campaign
> with him and raise money for his campaign, but he says he's opposed to
> Bush's policies, yet he voted for over 90% of Bush's policies. Talk
> about shameless flip flopping!

A big old George "I couldn't have said it better" to that!

It's going to be lots of fun watching the rightwing assholes like "Bob
****williger" squirm and fume and spout bile for the next eight years. We
all suffered through two Bush terms, now it's their turn. At least they'll
enjoy a healthier economy while they suffer. And less children dying in the
cause of W's daddy's old feud with Saddam.

On Aug 29, 6:18*pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > I'll wait for the swim suit competition between her and Joe Biden.
>
> I've seen her debate, Paul. Believe me, she's no fly-weight. When her and
> Biden take the stage together, my suggestion would be for Biden to keep one
> hand over his manhood.

If McCain had selected Mother Theresa, the press would have dug up a
picture of her boyfriend, Tony The Trick Palamino and holding a HIV
positive medical report in the other hand.

Why does the liberal press have such a hard time with successful
people? And yes, she has ONE home unlike the Biden Compound with
many houses.

Jus Say NO to JOBama!

cybercat wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "George" > wrote in message
>>>>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
>>>>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
>>>>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of when
>>>>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every caller
>>>>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for the
>>>>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
>>>>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to
>>>>> public service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must
>>>>> be so proud.
>>>>>
>>>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that he
>>>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common
>>>> guy that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not
>>>> wipe out causing a death.
>>>>
>>> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
>>> ridiculous.
>> Is there any particular reason why being associated with the death of
>> another human shouldn't be considered "significant"?. Thats the record he
>> made for himself.
>
> How old was he when the accident happend, George? And what has he done
> since. You show a rabid partisan side on this topic that is not pretty.


To answer your question. According to Google Kennedy was born in 1932
and Mary Jo Kopechne died in 1969 so he was 37. He was also a US senator
at the time who swore to uphold the Constitution when he walked away
from the car that contained another human. So he wasn't a confused
teenager who might be excused from bad behavior who might go on to
better himself as an adult.


My objection has nothing to do with politics. I object to anyone who is
a celebrity or has influence walking away from a crime especially when
it involves taking the life of another. Thats why I think it is correct
and reasonable to bring it up any time they try to present themselves as
wonderful. This includes the likes of OJ as an example and I don't have
a clue or care about what his political affiliation might be/have been.
In addition I think anyone who is a public figure such as a politician
or law enforcement who took an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws
that flow from it should have a mandatory doubling of the normal
sentence applied to them for their violation of the public trust.

> Being involved in an accident is not at all the most significant thing Ted
> Kennedy has done. The big Evil Deed you allude to has more to do with, as I
> recall, an alleged attempted coverup of his involvement in the event. (I was
> a child when it happened so the details are fuzzy. With Joe Kennedy as a
> father, what would you expect to happen at that time? If indeed there was a
> coverup, it was what many families might have done.

So assuming you have children and they presented the lame argument
"everyone else does it" how did you respond?

>
> Even in the worst case scenario, which is indeed that Ted drove under the
> influence, is responsible for the accident, then tried to cover it up out of
> fear, it is *still* not the defining event of his life.
>
>
He did it and it was a very notable and memorable thing. Fell free to
place it anywhere on his list of achievements you might like. From what
I am told OJ was a football player of note but it is still likely he
killed two humans. You can also arrange his list of achievements anyway
you might like.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> >> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that
he
> >> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common
guy
> >> that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not wipe
out
> >> causing a death.
> >>
> >
> > To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
> > ridiculous.
>
> Ever play word association games? Same thing. Negatives tend to stick in
> people's minds much more than positives.
>
> Bush -- Iraq
> Ted Kennedy -- drunk
> Reagan -- naps


Reagan - defeated Soviet communism and got the country going again...one of
the greatest - if not *the* greatest President of the 20th century...


--
Best
Greg

"George" > wrote
>> Being involved in an accident is not at all the most significant thing
>> Ted Kennedy has done. The big Evil Deed you allude to has more to do
>> with, as I recall, an alleged attempted coverup of his involvement in the
>> event. (I was a child when it happened so the details are fuzzy. With Joe
>> Kennedy as a father, what would you expect to happen at that time? If
>> indeed there was a coverup, it was what many families might have done.
>
> So assuming you have children and they presented the lame argument
> "everyone else does it" how did you respond?

It was an observation, not a justification.

>
>>
>> Even in the worst case scenario, which is indeed that Ted drove under the
>> influence, is responsible for the accident, then tried to cover it up out
>> of fear, it is *still* not the defining event of his life.
> He did it and it was a very notable and memorable thing. Fell free to
> place it anywhere on his list of achievements you might like. From what I
> am told OJ was a football player of note but it is still likely he killed
> two humans. You can also arrange his list of achievements anyway you might
> like.

It was an accident, George. Many people make egregious mistakes when they
are young. It is absurd to pretend that this event defines this man.

cybercat wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
> > cybercat wrote:
> >> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> "George" > wrote in message
> >>>>> I happened to be commuting at an unusual time on Friday and caught a
> >>>>> little snipped of a local radio talk show. The host is a moderate
> >>>>> liberal. He had just posed the question "what do people think of
when
> >>>>> they hear the name Ted Kennedy?" For the next 20 minutes every
caller
> >>>>> said various combinations of drunk and the person responsible for
the
> >>>>> death of Mary Jo Kopechne. The host agreed that he thought the same.
> >>>> What a great way to denigrate a man who has dedicated his life to
> >>>> public service and done a lot of good for the disadvantaged. You must
> >>>> be so proud.
> >>>>
> >>> So, you mean Teddy does not have a reputation for drinking? And that
he
> >>> was not involved when Mary Jo drowned in his car? If it was a common
> >>> guy that did that he'd have done jail time. Public service does not
> >>> wipe out causing a death.
> >>>
> >>
> >> To say that these are the most significant activities of his life is
> >> ridiculous.
> >
> > Is there any particular reason why being associated with the death of
> > another human shouldn't be considered "significant"?. Thats the record
he
> > made for himself.
>
> How old was he when the accident happend, George? And what has he done
> since. You show a rabid partisan side on this topic that is not pretty.
> Being involved in an accident is not at all the most significant thing Ted
> Kennedy has done. The big Evil Deed you allude to has more to do with, as
I
> recall, an alleged attempted coverup of his involvement in the event. (I
was
> a child when it happened so the details are fuzzy. With Joe Kennedy as a
> father, what would you expect to happen at that time? If indeed there was
a
> coverup, it was what many families might have done.
>
> Even in the worst case scenario, which is indeed that Ted drove under the
> influence, is responsible for the accident, then tried to cover it up out
of
> fear, it is *still* not the defining event of his life.


Donchya just LUV how liberals like "cybercat" here cower under the aegis of
"situational morality"...


<shaking head>


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking