On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT), bulka
> wrote:

>Just heard about Gidget's 17yo getting knocked up.
>

Didn't someone just post that Obama won't touch that one with a ten
foot pole? At least he's taking the high road. If the tables were
turned, it would have been a campaign point. That poor girl would
have benefited from a birth control clinic with no parental consent to
attend.

Having a 17 year old in a shotgun marriage won't detract right wing
voters anyway. Teen/unwanted pregnancies are RAMPANT among red state
holy rollers.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote in :

> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:44:44 GMT, "Dave Bugg"
> > wrote:
>
>>BTW, is this the same daughter that supposedly birthed the
>>Down's-syndrome child?
>
> I don't know, maybe. I'd have to look at pictures. Did
> you read the article? She came out with this to quell the
> internet rumor about the baby being one of her daughter's.

yes, the same daughter, poor kid. imagine your accidental
pregnancy becoming a political pundit's football.
nothing like refuting Trig could be poor Bristol's baby by
announcing that since Bristol is 5 months pregnant, that's not
possible (but, yeah, it actually is...)
OTOH, i'm not convinced Trig isn't Palin's child. he was just
over 6 pounds at birth. that's a pretty small baby & if he was
sideways, there wouldn't be much bump, certainly nothing that
shows through Alaskan winter gear. in any case, it's mostly
irrelevant to the campaign.

lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:14:48 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>"Women - ya let 'em smoke, ya let 'em vote, and the next thing ya know we've
>got a Democrat for President...!!!"

HAHAHA! You're in a jovial mood today, Greg!


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:17:43 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "enigma" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> blake murphy > wrote in
>> news >>
>>> gOn Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:32:50 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>> i'm pretty sure that Palin just poisoned any chance
>>>> McCain
>>>> had of winning my vote anyway.
>>
>>> good! come on over to the dark side, honey. i promise you
>>> we have better parties.
>>
>> and cookies!
>> actually, i'm registered independent. i *have* to seriously
>> consider who says what, & how much is just standard election
>> politicking bullshit.
>> i'm afraid i won't be adding a new Democratic senator this
>> year though. i happen to like the Republican one we have
>> now...
>>
>
> This is the intelligent way to be, IMO. I became a knee-jerk Democrat only
> after Clinton was impeached. I'd like to wend my way back to an open mind,
> but as long as the Republicans keep up the freak show, I don't see it
> happening.

exactly. even if i liked republican policies (which i don't), they put up
people who don't pass the laugh test.

(i did vote for carol schwartz, a republican who ran against marion barry
for mayor of d.c., and got creamed.)

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:54:17 -0400, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>> They all said they would never ever vote
>> for a candidate who opposes their right to chose regardless of the
>> candidate's gender or party affiliation.
>
> Since when did the President get the power to control women's bodies? IMO,
> single issue decisions such as that are ignorance on the part of the voter.
> It would take a Supreme Court decision to change the law and I doubt they'd
> be dumb enough to try it.

they're not dumb enough to vote for a man who promises to select supreme
court appointees like roberts, alito, and scalia, who most certainly would
vote to repeal roe v. wade. are you being deliberately obtuse, or is this
some kind of double-reverse winger talking point?

blake

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:31:57 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i don't know that his former p.o.w. status is a barrier, but it certainly
>> isn't a *qualification*. at this point it's getting almost comical how his
>> campaign trots it out as some kind of defense against any criticism of any
>> kind. it's nuts.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Any more nuts than Obama claiming he didn't know what his crazy pastor
> was saying for those 20 years?

obama's pastor is not going to occupy the white house. mr. 'i'm a p.o.w.,
how dare you criticize me' would.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:19:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote:
>>
>> i believe the texas expression is 'all hat, no cattle.'
>>
> I really miss Molly Ivins.

when i read that she had died, i really said 'oh, no!' out loud and teared
up a little. a magnificent broad.

your pal,
blake

On Sep 1, 4:47 pm, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:14:48 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>
> > wrote:
> >"Women - ya let 'em smoke, ya let 'em vote, and the next thing ya know we've
> >got a Democrat for President...!!!"
>
> HAHAHA! You're in a jovial mood today, Greg!
>
> --
> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>
> Mae West

I'm thinking that if hell freezes over (or enough people stay home or
vote third party) and Grampa and Gidet win, no need for the Veeps
official house. She can park her trailer on the lawn and shoot
pigeons.

Funny how the Reps get both ends of some kind of bell curve - $5M
middle class" and speakin-in-tounges breeders.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:04:40 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> he also bought his 'ranch' (where apparently he raises only brush) in
>> 1999,
>> shortly before the election in 2000, some say on the advice of karl rove,
>> and plans to move from godforsaken crawford in sometime in 2009.
>>
>> i believe the texas expression is 'all hat, no cattle.'
>
>
> Apparently the ranch has been sold already, actually last year. Whoever
> owns it now is leasing it to the Bush's if what I read is correct. Bush now
> owns 100,000 acres in Paraguay. A very odd purchase and one that leads to
> many questions.
>
> Paul

it does seem out there in conspiracy-nut land, but there are no extradition
treaties in paraguay. it might be prudent for bush to own land there.

your pal,
blake

enigma wrote:
> sf wrote in :
>
>> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:44:44 GMT, "Dave Bugg"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, is this the same daughter that supposedly birthed the
>>> Down's-syndrome child?

>> I don't know, maybe. I'd have to look at pictures. Did
>> you read the article? She came out with this to quell the
>> internet rumor about the baby being one of her daughter's.

> yes, the same daughter, poor kid. imagine your accidental
> pregnancy becoming a political pundit's football.
> nothing like refuting Trig could be poor Bristol's baby by
> announcing that since Bristol is 5 months pregnant, that's not
> possible (but, yeah, it actually is...)
> OTOH, i'm not convinced Trig isn't Palin's child. he was just
> over 6 pounds at birth. that's a pretty small baby & if he was
> sideways, there wouldn't be much bump, certainly nothing that
> shows through Alaskan winter gear. in any case, it's mostly
> irrelevant to the campaign.

Lee, I was being sarcastic. Trig IS the birthed child of Sarah Palin, NOT
her oldest daughter. It is was a nasty rumour which was started by the blogs
and has NO basis in fact. And all one needs to do is look at any of the real
online news services to read that Obama is absolutely angry about the
left-wing blogs pushing this rumour and being nasty about the pregnant 17
year-old daughter. He knows that this is the kind of behavior and trash that
****es-off right-thinking people regardless of political affiliation.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:50:53 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:37:29 -0400, George wrote:
>>
>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was an accident, George. Many people make egregious mistakes when
>>>> they
>>>> are young. It is absurd to pretend that this event defines this man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You conveniently snipped what I wrote:
>>>
>>> "To answer your question. According to Google Kennedy was born in 1932
>>> and Mary Jo Kopechne died in 1969 so he was 37. He was also a US senator
>>> at the time who swore to uphold the Constitution when he walked away
>>> from the car that contained another human. So he wasn't a confused
>>> teenager who might be excused from bad behavior who might go on to
>>> better himself as an adult."
>>>
>>> So at about age do you suppose one becomes a responsible adult?
>>
>> well since george bush stopped drinking and snorting coke at age forty, i
>> guess we can still condider him a drunk and drug addict. it *would*
>> explain a lot.
>>
>
> Can you imagine him intoxicated? How could it be much different than the way
> he behaves every day?

he sure falls off more mountain bikes and segways (ending up with
contusions on his face) than most sober people i know.

your pal,
blake

<sf> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:14:48 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Women - ya let 'em smoke, ya let 'em vote, and the next thing ya know
we've
> >got a Democrat for President...!!!"
>
> HAHAHA! You're in a jovial mood today, Greg!


Have you seen the Russ Meyer flick, Barbara...??? The Varla character is
really WHO should be POTUS, check it out..it's the BEST movie ever made
IMNSHO..every home should have a copy of this:

http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:16861~T1

Plot Synopsis by Robert Firsching

"Exploitation maven Russ Meyer created a cult classic with this
turbo-charged action film. Three curvaceous go-go dancers in a cool sports
car go on a desert crime spree, led by Varla (the amazing Tura Satana), a
busty, nasty woman dressed entirely in black. Varla's ******* moll, Rosie
(Haji) - who has an extremely overwrought accent - and reluctant bimbo
Billie (Lori Williams) are along for the ride. When they meet a naïve young
couple, Tommy and Linda (Ray Barlow and Sue Bernard), Varla challenges the
man to a race then kills him by breaking his back. They take Linda hostage
and drive to a house owned by a crippled old lecher (Stuart Lancaster) and
his muscular but retarded son, Vegetable (Dennis Busch). Varla discovers
that the old man has money hidden on the property, so the girls try to find
it. Meanwhile, Vegetable's perverted father tries to trick him into
assaulting one of the girls as he watches, but his other son (Paul Trinka)
finally shows up to save the day. A great deal of bloodshed, campy
catfighting, and funny dialogue fills the bulk of this fast-paced comic book
of a movie.


Review by Fred Beldin

"Welcome to violence!" The sinister voice-over that begins Faster, Pussycat!
Kill! Kill! warns its presumably all-male audience that a new breed of woman
exists, feral females that hide deceit and murder under their soft seductive
skins, and apparently, these women are everywhere. This bit of misogyny
leads directly into an equal-opportunity tale of mayhem where the ladies are
indeed fully in charge. Some modern-day revisionists like to refashion this
film into some sort of proto-feminist fable, but the only real twist is
allowing the ladies to be villains as amoral and violent as any classic
moustache-twirler. The male leads (particularly Stuart Lancaster's odious
wheelchair-bound millionaire) are either hateful of women or exist to offer
knight-in-shining-armor assistance when necessary, so don't look to Faster,
Pussycat! for any feminist theory. Nevertheless, this is still the crowning
achievement of Russ Meyer's stunning catalogue. The arch, stylized dialogue
is packed with spicy slang and poetic asides, and the action is briskly
paced. Tura Satana steals the show as the lead bad girl, alternately yelling
and purring her way through a role that rips up scenery and co-stars in
equal measures. Every inch of the film entertains, from the wild desert drag
racing sequences to the sexually charged fried chicken lunch that the
characters stop fighting each other long enough to share. Faster, Pussycat!
Kill! Kill! has a deliciously ruthless rhythm that few films of such modest
aspirations ever achieve -- it could very well be the most finely crafted
exploitation film ever made..."


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059170/

Memorable quotes for
Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965):

"The Old Man: You girls a bunch of nudists or are you just short of clothes?

---------------------
Billie: I'm of legal age for whiskey, voting and loving. Now the next
election is two years away, and my love life ain't getting much better, so
how about some of that one-hundred-percent!

----------------------
Gas Station Attendant: [staring at Varla's chest as he pumps gas] Just
passing through, huh? Boy, that motor's sure hot! You gals really must have
been moving on these little machines. Yessir, the thrill of the open road.
New places, new people, new sights of interest. Now that's what I believe
in, seeing America first!

Varla: You won't find it down there, Columbus!

-----------------------
Gas Station Attendant: Yes ma'am, what can I do for you today?

Varla: Just your job, squirrel. Fill it up!

----------------------
Tommy: Look, I don't know what the hell your point is, but...

Varla: The point is of no return and you've reached it!

----------------------
The Old Man: Women! They let 'em vote, smoke and drive - even put 'em in
pants! And what happens? A Democrat for president!

---------------------
Rosie: Alright, you wash... now I'm gonna spin-a-dry you!

---------------------
Billie: You really should be AM and FM. You one-band broads are a drag!

---------------------
Billie: Oh, you're cute... like a velvet glove cast in iron.

---------------------
Narrator: Ladies and gentlemen - welcome to violence!

---------------------
Varla: I never try anything. I just do it. And I don't beat clocks, just
people! Wanna try me?

----------------------
Varla: You're all shook up, aren't you, baby?

----------------------
Tommy: I work on this baby the same way, trying to get maximum performance.

----------------------
Kirk: [to Varla] You're a beautiful animal... and I'm weak, and I want you.

----------------------
Billie: [Billie throws Rosie a can of beer to calm her down] Here Rosie
baby, pop the top before you blow your own!

---------------------
Tommy: Been running some timing trials?

Varla: We KNOW how fast WE can go. You can time that heap with an
hour-glass.

Linda: Someone mention my figure?

---------------------
Varla: Drive! And don't miss.

---------------------
Narrator: [opening narration] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to violence, the
word and the act. While violence cloaks itself in a plethora of disguises,
its favorite mantle still remains... sex. Violence devours all it touches,
its voracious appetite rarely fulfilled. Yet violence doesn't only destroy,
it creates and molds as well. Let's examine closely then this dangerously
evil creation, this new breed encased and contained within the supple skin
of woman. The softness is there, the unmistakable smell of female, the
surface shiny and silken, the body yielding yet wanton. But a word of
caution: handle with care and don't drop your guard. This rapacious new
breed prowls both alone and in packs, operating at any level, any time,
anywhere, and with anybody. Who are they? One might be your secretary, your
doctor's receptionist... or a dancer in a go-go club!

-------------------
Varla: Go get her!

Rosie: So I have to get all wet because the Lady Godiva wants to swim?

-------------------
Varla: [to Rosie as she fumbles with a lighter] Easy, baby, you're almost a
fire hazard!

--------------------
Billie: [to Tommy, suggestively] Would you like to look under my hood?

---------------------
Billie: [challenging Tommy to race] How about it, handsome? I bet you're a
real tiger in disguise.


</>

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> >> If, if, if. Gore lost.
> > <snip>
> >> If Gore was truly a great candidate he would have been elected by a
> >> landslide.
> >
> > ahem. let's not forget that gore won the popular vote by half a
million.
> > if bush was not helped in ohio and florida by vote-counting shenanigans,
> > and later installed by the supreme court in a pretty shaky decision
> > (caution! this decision does not set any precedents! as the fab five
> > themselves wrote), things might have been different.
> >
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> What is to forget? He lost. We have, like it or not, and electoral
college
> system to arrive at who becomes President. One candidate loses, the other
> wins. Had Gore gotten more votes in different states he would have won.
He
> didn't.
> If people lived in different states Gore would have won
> If Gore was popular with everyone he'd have won
> If the Republicans ran a monkey, Gore would have won.
> If, If, If. Superbowl games would have different outcomes if the game was
> just a few minutes longer.


Yup..."If...if...if..if"...and clueless leftists like blake wonder why
history has left them behind...'though well - intentioned he doesn't realize
that history is made by the winners, not the losers. Reminds of a crabby
old guy who I knew growing up who was still railing about "that *******
Roosevelt"...this was in the late '60's early 70's...blake IS that crabby
old guy, he's still grouching about Reagan who was prez DECADES ago now.

Maybe blake would be happier spinning his liberal revisonist fantasies on
the soc.history.what-if group instead of here...at least he'd have an
audience beyond the pathetic "cybercat".


--
Best
Greg

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:46:58 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
><sf> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:14:48 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >"Women - ya let 'em smoke, ya let 'em vote, and the next thing ya know
>we've
>> >got a Democrat for President...!!!"
>>
>> HAHAHA! You're in a jovial mood today, Greg!
>
>
>Have you seen the Russ Meyer flick, Barbara...??? The Varla character is
>really WHO should be POTUS, check it out..it's the BEST movie ever made
>IMNSHO..every home should have a copy of this:
>
>http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:16861~T1
>
>Plot Synopsis by Robert Firsching
>
>A great deal of bloodshed, campy
>catfighting, and funny dialogue fills the bulk of this fast-paced comic book
>of a movie.
<snip>

I'm not much on violent movies though. A rare steak has all the blood
I want to look at!
>
>
>Review by Fred Beldin
>
>"Welcome to violence!"
<snip>
>
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059170/
>
Quite the racy film! Those quotes are modern Mae West-ish. If it
wasn't for all that blood and gore, I might even enjoy it.



>Memorable quotes for
>Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965):
>
>"The Old Man: You girls a bunch of nudists or are you just short of clothes?
>
>---------------------
>Billie: I'm of legal age for whiskey, voting and loving. Now the next
>election is two years away, and my love life ain't getting much better, so
>how about some of that one-hundred-percent!
>
>----------------------
>Gas Station Attendant: [staring at Varla's chest as he pumps gas] Just
>passing through, huh? Boy, that motor's sure hot! You gals really must have
>been moving on these little machines. Yessir, the thrill of the open road.
>New places, new people, new sights of interest. Now that's what I believe
>in, seeing America first!
>
>Varla: You won't find it down there, Columbus!
>
>-----------------------
>Gas Station Attendant: Yes ma'am, what can I do for you today?
>
>Varla: Just your job, squirrel. Fill it up!
>
>----------------------
>Tommy: Look, I don't know what the hell your point is, but...
>
>Varla: The point is of no return and you've reached it!
>
>----------------------
>The Old Man: Women! They let 'em vote, smoke and drive - even put 'em in
>pants! And what happens? A Democrat for president!
>
>---------------------
>Rosie: Alright, you wash... now I'm gonna spin-a-dry you!
>
>---------------------
>Billie: You really should be AM and FM. You one-band broads are a drag!
>
>---------------------
>Billie: Oh, you're cute... like a velvet glove cast in iron.
>
>---------------------
>Narrator: Ladies and gentlemen - welcome to violence!
>
>---------------------
>Varla: I never try anything. I just do it. And I don't beat clocks, just
>people! Wanna try me?
>
>----------------------
>Varla: You're all shook up, aren't you, baby?
>
>----------------------
>Tommy: I work on this baby the same way, trying to get maximum performance.
>
>----------------------
>Kirk: [to Varla] You're a beautiful animal... and I'm weak, and I want you.
>
>----------------------
>Billie: [Billie throws Rosie a can of beer to calm her down] Here Rosie
>baby, pop the top before you blow your own!
>
>---------------------
>Tommy: Been running some timing trials?
>
>Varla: We KNOW how fast WE can go. You can time that heap with an
>hour-glass.
>
>Linda: Someone mention my figure?
>
>---------------------
>Varla: Drive! And don't miss.
>
>---------------------
>Narrator: [opening narration] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to violence, the
>word and the act. While violence cloaks itself in a plethora of disguises,
>its favorite mantle still remains... sex. Violence devours all it touches,
>its voracious appetite rarely fulfilled. Yet violence doesn't only destroy,
>it creates and molds as well. Let's examine closely then this dangerously
>evil creation, this new breed encased and contained within the supple skin
>of woman. The softness is there, the unmistakable smell of female, the
>surface shiny and silken, the body yielding yet wanton. But a word of
>caution: handle with care and don't drop your guard. This rapacious new
>breed prowls both alone and in packs, operating at any level, any time,
>anywhere, and with anybody. Who are they? One might be your secretary, your
>doctor's receptionist... or a dancer in a go-go club!
>
>-------------------
>Varla: Go get her!
>
>Rosie: So I have to get all wet because the Lady Godiva wants to swim?
>
>-------------------
>Varla: [to Rosie as she fumbles with a lighter] Easy, baby, you're almost a
>fire hazard!
>
>--------------------
>Billie: [to Tommy, suggestively] Would you like to look under my hood?
>
>---------------------
>Billie: [challenging Tommy to race] How about it, handsome? I bet you're a
>real tiger in disguise.
>
>
></>
>



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:28:30 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>
>it does seem out there in conspiracy-nut land,

That's for sure.

>but there are no extradition
>treaties in paraguay. it might be prudent for bush to own land there.
>
The Vanity fair article I found said summer of 2009. Got an update?
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...the-ranch.html

The Paraguay deal seems to be Bush Sr. and it looks like it's making
the locals nervous. http://tinyurl.com/valdl



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> I dunno what's going on with this story. It mutates every hour. One minute
> it sounds plausible then the next it sounds implausible then back to
> plausible again.
>
> Does this woman look 8 months pregnant?
> http://www.alaskapffa.org/index.cfm?...m&HomeID=59844
>
> That picture was taken 1 week before she is said to have given birth. They
> claim Bristol (weird name) is 5 months pregnant yet she is looking very trim
> in the pic taken last week. Is that possible? We'll know in 4 months I
> guess. I'm thinking this one isn't going away soon. And also the Palin
> pictures from the Alaska site are gone and other sites are pulling her
> family pictures as well.
>
> Very strange.
>
> Paul
>
You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't
look pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal
muscles back then! lol)

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in
news:M9Zuk.256$sq3.254@trnddc07:

> Lee, I was being sarcastic. Trig IS the birthed child of
> Sarah Palin, NOT her oldest daughter. It is was a nasty
> rumour which was started by the blogs and has NO basis in
> fact. And all one needs to do is look at any of the real
> online news services to read that Obama is absolutely angry
> about the left-wing blogs pushing this rumour and being
> nasty about the pregnant 17 year-old daughter. He knows
> that this is the kind of behavior and trash that ****es-off
> right-thinking people regardless of political affiliation.

i'm glad to hear it was sarcasm. i hope that this whole mess
gets squashed fast, for the sake of the poor kid. she has
enough going on right now without being thrust into the
national spotlight. <sigh> imagine being 17 & pregnant in a
conservative Christian family. you *know* you've disappointed
your parents. that's bad enough, but to have it announced what
an idiot you've been on an international scale...? Bristol has
my sympathy. it's completely unfair to *her*.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

"blake murphy" > wrote
>
> he sure falls off more mountain bikes and segways (ending up with
> contusions on his face) than most sober people i know.
>

I like the way he looks with contusions on his face. I cannot imagine why.

"blake murphy" > wrote:
>
> when i read that she had died, i really said 'oh, no!' out loud and teared
> up a little. a magnificent broad.
>

Yes indeed. She sparkled with fresh wit and bristled with unbridled courage.
And admitted to all the stuff her detractors might dig up (being a hard
drinker in her yout is what comes to mind) before they had time to dig it
up. Hero material.

I had a really hard time when Frank Zappa died, too. No joke. I would never
joke about the demise of Saint Frank.

"bulka" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 1, 9:21 am, "cybercat" > wrote:
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>> >> At best, McCain's VP choice will
>> >> prompt a lot of independent voters to say home on election day or vote
>> >> for a third party candidate.
>>
>> > IMO, staying home is not an option. I'm going to check out the third
>> > party candidates. I think that sends a better message than does
>> > non-participation.
>>
>> YAY Edwin!!
>
> Unless there are local elections, refferenda that you need to vote for
> anyway, voting a third party IS staying home. Well-meaning Nader
> voters helped get us Dubya.
>
> Make a choice, not a statememt. In this case, the differences are so
> great it shouldn't be that hard.
>

Point taken. But Edwin will vote for Obama, you just wait and see.

enigma wrote:

> i'm glad to hear it was sarcasm. i hope that this whole mess
> gets squashed fast, for the sake of the poor kid. she has
> enough going on right now without being thrust into the
> national spotlight. <sigh> imagine being 17 & pregnant in a
> conservative Christian family. you *know* you've disappointed
> your parents. that's bad enough, but to have it announced what
> an idiot you've been on an international scale...? Bristol has
> my sympathy. it's completely unfair to *her*.
> lee

Ohmygawd. Its JamieLyn Spears all over again....
<sigh>

Goomba wrote:

> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> I dunno what's going on with this story. It mutates every hour. One
>> minute it sounds plausible then the next it sounds implausible then
>> back to plausible again.
>>
>> Does this woman look 8 months pregnant?
>> http://www.alaskapffa.org/index.cfm?...m&HomeID=59844
>>
>>
>> That picture was taken 1 week before she is said to have given birth.
>> They claim Bristol (weird name) is 5 months pregnant yet she is
>> looking very trim in the pic taken last week. Is that possible?
>> We'll know in 4 months I guess. I'm thinking this one isn't going
>> away soon. And also the Palin pictures from the Alaska site are gone
>> and other sites are pulling her family pictures as well.
>>
>> Very strange.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't
> look pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal
> muscles back then! lol)
>

Yup. Although I was so thrilled to be pregnant that I wanted to start
wearing maternity clothes from the moment the stick turned blue.
Luckily, I had wise friends who urged me to hold off, being that I'd be
well and truly sick of them by the end.

I was much thinner and more fit going into my second pregnancy but
nevertheless started showing a bump almost immediately. The hinges had
already been sprung once, I guess...

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:22:38 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't
>look pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal
>muscles back then! lol)

You were lucky. I was popping out by month 4 and there was no denying
it by month 6. I knew two people who just moved up a single dress
size. I had to do fat clothes and all. There is no way I'd wear the
skinny mini clothing that moms today wear to show off. Give me a tent
and a mask.

I absolutely *would* wish pregnancy and a natural child birth on my
worst enemy. There is nothing, nothing, nothing to like about it.
It's disgusting (and humiliating) up to the very end.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:22:38 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>> You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't
>> look pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal
>> muscles back then! lol)
>
> You were lucky. I was popping out by month 4 and there was no denying
> it by month 6. I knew two people who just moved up a single dress
> size. I had to do fat clothes and all. There is no way I'd wear the
> skinny mini clothing that moms today wear to show off. Give me a tent
> and a mask.
>
> I absolutely *would* wish pregnancy and a natural child birth on my
> worst enemy. There is nothing, nothing, nothing to like about it.
> It's disgusting (and humiliating) up to the very end.
>
Oh that's a shame you felt that way.
I felt MARVELOUS (after those first few months) and sex was INCREDIBLE
while pregnant. I didn't mind natural childbirth either. I never felt
disgusted or humiliated thankfully!
My only (obfood) problem with that first was craving meat- something I
didn't eat much of at that time, mayonnaise which I rarely ate prior to
pregnancy, and lemonade which gave me the *worst* heartburn later in
pregnancy.
I''m a big believer in cravings being your body's way of telling you
what you need. I guess I needed more protein, fats and Vit. C ?

<sf> wrote
>
> I absolutely *would* wish pregnancy and a natural child birth on my
> worst enemy. There is nothing, nothing, nothing to like about it.
> It's disgusting (and humiliating) up to the very end.
>

Kudos to you for being so honest about it. I love it when women come clean
about this.

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:49:17 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Oh that's a shame you felt that way.
>I felt MARVELOUS (after those first few months) and sex was INCREDIBLE
>while pregnant.

I didn't want to be looked at or touched.

>I didn't mind natural childbirth either.

The first one was long and painful, the second one was a breeze.
Didn't even make it into the labor room.

>I never felt
>disgusted or humiliated thankfully!

I couldn't stand looking at myself and I certainly didn't like being
prodded and poked with my knees up in the air by some stranger once a
month.

>My only (obfood) problem with that first was craving meat- something I
>didn't eat much of at that time, mayonnaise which I rarely ate prior to
>pregnancy, and lemonade which gave me the *worst* heartburn later in
>pregnancy.

Food? I was all over it - I had my preferences too. Child #1 was my
seafood kid, Child #2 was my Mexican food kid. I ate, with no gastric
repercussions what-so-ever.

>I''m a big believer in cravings being your body's way of telling you
>what you need. I guess I needed more protein, fats and Vit. C ?

No idea. I took my horse pills daily, balked at that blood glucose
test business, but my other tests were always fine.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> I dunno what's going on with this story. It mutates every hour. One
>> minute it sounds plausible then the next it sounds implausible then back
>> to plausible again.
>>
>> Does this woman look 8 months pregnant?
>> http://www.alaskapffa.org/index.cfm?...m&HomeID=59844
>>
>> That picture was taken 1 week before she is said to have given birth.
>> They claim Bristol (weird name) is 5 months pregnant yet she is looking
>> very trim in the pic taken last week. Is that possible? We'll know in 4
>> months I guess. I'm thinking this one isn't going away soon. And also
>> the Palin pictures from the Alaska site are gone and other sites are
>> pulling her family pictures as well.
>>
>> Very strange.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't look
> pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal muscles back
> then! lol)
>

I don't claim to other than by observation, which is why I asked. But I do
know what 8 months looks like and I can clearly see in that photo she isn't.
I can see her waist and everything and her flat stomach.

Paul

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> > At best, McCain's VP choice will
> > prompt a lot of independent voters to say home on election day or vote
> > for a third party candidate.
>
> IMO, staying home is not an option. I'm going to check out the third party
> candidates. I think that sends a better message than does non-participation.

I agree. When Bill Clinton ran for president the first time, I voted
third party because I thought he was too much a part of the old boys
network. I did; however, vote for Clinton when he ran for his second
term. Staying home is a lousy idea, but I think that's what will happen
with a lot of Republicans this time around.

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT), bulka
> > wrote:
>
>>Just heard about Gidget's 17yo getting knocked up.
>>
>
> Didn't someone just post that Obama won't touch that one with a ten
> foot pole? At least he's taking the high road. If the tables were
> turned, it would have been a campaign point. That poor girl would
> have benefited from a birth control clinic with no parental consent to
> attend.

He'd be a fool to go there. The truth will takle care of itself I think.

> Having a 17 year old in a shotgun marriage won't detract right wing
> voters anyway. Teen/unwanted pregnancies are RAMPANT among red state
> holy rollers.

I'm in an argument elsewhere that it only looks that way because blue states
drag their kids to abortion clinics as they are trying to convince me. It's
nonsense of course.

Paul

sf fnord :

> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:22:38 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>>You know squat about how pregnant women look. With my first I didn't
>>look pregnant until the last 2 months (youth and better abdominal
>>muscles back then! lol)
>
> You were lucky. I was popping out by month 4 and there was no denying
> it by month 6. I knew two people who just moved up a single dress
> size. I had to do fat clothes and all. There is no way I'd wear the
> skinny mini clothing that moms today wear to show off. Give me a tent
> and a mask.
>

While I think some of the speculation about Gov. Palin's pregnancy is
sensationalized, I have to say that she doesn't look pregnant in *any*
of the pictures taken after she annouced her pregnancy, and considering
this would have been her 5th child, I can see why people have doubts. I
also do not understand why someone who was going into labor prematurely
with a child they knew to have special needs would fly from Texas to
Alaska.

> I absolutely *would* wish pregnancy and a natural child birth on my
> worst enemy. There is nothing, nothing, nothing to like about it.
> It's disgusting (and humiliating) up to the very end.
>
>

Maybe that was your experience, but it's not that way for everyone.
Aside from the fact that my belly got in the way, and it was harder to
stand for long periods of time, I loved being pregnant. I had a natural
delivery, and thought it was a really cool experience, all 47 hours of
it. Being in the hospital sucked, though. None of the nurses had any
experience with non-drugged up moms, and they kept getting angry at me
for getting up and moving around, going to the bathroom, etc.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

sf fnord :

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT), bulka
> > wrote:
>
>>Just heard about Gidget's 17yo getting knocked up.
>>
>
> Didn't someone just post that Obama won't touch that one with a ten
> foot pole? At least he's taking the high road. If the tables were
> turned, it would have been a campaign point. That poor girl would
> have benefited from a birth control clinic with no parental consent to
> attend.
>
> Having a 17 year old in a shotgun marriage won't detract right wing
> voters anyway. Teen/unwanted pregnancies are RAMPANT among red state
> holy rollers.
>
>

Well, that makes sense to me. If you pretend your kids aren't having
sex, and assume that they will stay abstinent, you end up with teenage
parents. I, for one, plan on letting my daughter know that if she at any
time has a need for contraception, I'll take her to a gynecologist. I'm
not saying no questions will be asked, but I have no desire to be a
grandmother before I'm 40. Hell, even 45 is pushing it!

On the other hand, I hope it is not an issue until she is in her later
teens, but knowing how I and my peers were 10-15 years ago, I can only
imagine it will be worse when she is that age :<


--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

"cybercat" > fnord
:

>
> "blake murphy" > wrote:
>>
>> when i read that she had died, i really said 'oh, no!' out loud and
>> teared up a little. a magnificent broad.
>>
>
> Yes indeed. She sparkled with fresh wit and bristled with unbridled
> courage. And admitted to all the stuff her detractors might dig up
> (being a hard drinker in her yout is what comes to mind) before they
> had time to dig it up. Hero material.
>
> I had a really hard time when Frank Zappa died, too. No joke. I would
> never joke about the demise of Saint Frank.
>
>

You know, I read this and I almost feel like apologizing for being such
a bitch towards you. Almost

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

In article >, sf wrote:

> Me too! If Obama wins, I hope she's offered a supreme court position
> when one comes up.

My guess is that Hillary will be nominated for the Secretary of H.E.W.,
or maybe a judicial appointment on a federal district court. I just
can't see her as a Supreme Court Justice.

> Don't discount Rove. He's the only asset McCain has and he knows how
> to run a dirty campaign.

So far, Rove has been doing a terrible job wit McCain's campaign. I
seriously wonder if he's burned out.

> >If McCain wants to avoid being seen as a flip flop artist, he last that
> >chance eight years ago. Kerry got reamed in the polls for flip flopping
> >four years ago. Now, the same fate is heading toward McCain. Both McCain
> >and Rove are heading for a political fall of epic proportions. They are
> >also both idiots of they think the narrow difference between them in the
> >polls now means anything on election day. The reality is that new voter
> >registrations for Democrats are far outpacing Republicans, and that's a
> >much more telling statistic then anything that CNN, Gallop, and the
> >other polling organizations can share with us.
>
> Let's hope those new Democrats make it to the voting booth in
> November! One thing Republicans can do well is turn out the vote.

Only time will tell. I have seen lots of Obama supporters out
campaigning in Philadelphia for him since last February. I saw virtually
no Hillary supporters campaigning for her during Pennsylvania's primary,
and I have not seen all that many McCain supporters working on his
behalf here in NJ where I live or in PA where I spend a lot of my time.
I also drive around a lot, and all through Philadelphia, Bucks, Camden,
and Montgomery counties, I have seen far more Obama signs in front of
people's homes then McCain signs.

One problem with John Kerry back in 2004 is that he didn't appeal to the
young voters. This time around, Obama is so young that he does appeal to
the youthful voters, plus despite what Rove claims, McCain really is an
agent of change, and many first time voters and long-time voters realize
that.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> we'll see about the rhetoric. the reality of the matter is that v.p.
> choices don't swing many votes on way or another (except in the v.p.'s home
> state; delaware's three electoral votes vs. alaska's three seem pretty
> insignificant). but i think there's an argument to be made that mccain's
> approach to governance is basically not that of a serious person.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but this is not an ordinary
election. If McCain is elected, he will be the oldest president to come
into office. With McCain's age, his history of skin cancer, and his
reported lapses of memory, voters can't help but realize that Palin
might be out next president if McCain wins the election.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:54:17 -0400, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> >> They all said they would never ever vote
> >> for a candidate who opposes their right to chose regardless of the
> >> candidate's gender or party affiliation.
> >
> > Since when did the President get the power to control women's bodies? IMO,
> > single issue decisions such as that are ignorance on the part of the voter.
> > It would take a Supreme Court decision to change the law and I doubt they'd
> > be dumb enough to try it.
>
> they're not dumb enough to vote for a man who promises to select supreme
> court appointees like roberts, alito, and scalia, who most certainly would
> vote to repeal roe v. wade. are you being deliberately obtuse, or is this
> some kind of double-reverse winger talking point?

I sure hope you're right. The issue of abortion rights really speaks to
a deeper issue, that of personal privacy. The government has no right to
intrude on our most private and intimate decisions such as how we
reproduce, so if the SCOTUS throws out Roe v. Wade, it can through out
all other restrictions on the government to stay out of our private
lives. That's what scares me the most.

In article <aDVuk.239$393.110@trnddc05>,
"Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> Sharon Chilson wrote:
> > www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137
> >
> > This is a link to a blog where the writer talks about the vp's baby
> > actually being her grandchild. It's an interesting read.
>
> <eye roll>

Yeah, the daily kos is such a reliable website no?

NOT!

It just shows how low the far left will stoop.
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

> "bulka" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sep 1, 9:21 am, "cybercat" > wrote:
> >> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> >> >> At best, McCain's VP choice will
> >> >> prompt a lot of independent voters to say home on election day or vote
> >> >> for a third party candidate.
> >>
> >> > IMO, staying home is not an option. I'm going to check out the third
> >> > party candidates. I think that sends a better message than does
> >> > non-participation.
> >>
> >> YAY Edwin!!
> >
> > Unless there are local elections, refferenda that you need to vote for
> > anyway, voting a third party IS staying home. Well-meaning Nader
> > voters helped get us Dubya.
> >
> > Make a choice, not a statememt. In this case, the differences are so
> > great it shouldn't be that hard.
> >
>
> Point taken. But Edwin will vote for Obama, you just wait and see.

What I don't understand about Nader is why he doesn't seek a seat in the
House or Senate rather then the improbably goal of winning the White
House.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

>
> that's all well and good, but you must admit it's a mite irresponsible to
> nominate someone for v.p. who is not *remotely* qualified to take over if
> (god forbid) mccain should drop dead.

Nope. I won't admit that because history shows us that some of our most
outstanding presidents came from modest backgrounds. What I find
hypocritical is that the Republican campaign machine is trying to couch
McCain's experience as relevant when it is no more or less relevant then
Palin's or Obama's for president.

> one of the top mccain people said, in effect, 'don't worry, she'll have
> plenty of time to learn at the feet of the master.' well, what if 'the
> master' plotzes in february?

That's a question that Republican voters should be asking McCain and
Rove.

Omelet > fnord newsmpomelet-34408A.20500801092008
@news.giganews.com:

> In article <aDVuk.239$393.110@trnddc05>,
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>
>> Sharon Chilson wrote:
>> > www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137
>> >
>> > This is a link to a blog where the writer talks about the vp's baby
>> > actually being her grandchild. It's an interesting read.
>>
>> <eye roll>
>
> Yeah, the daily kos is such a reliable website no?
>
> NOT!
>
> It just shows how low the far left will stoop.

I think it is ridiculous to pretend that both sides don't play dirty. I
don't think the daily kos is any less reliable than, say, fox news.

While I think the rumors that the baby is her grandchild are unfounded,
I think some of the evidence that has been mentioned does point to
something fishy with her pregnancy.

--
Saerah (another reason why I am pretty hardcore leftist ideologically,
but politically unaffiliated)

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> enigma wrote:
>
> > i'm glad to hear it was sarcasm. i hope that this whole mess
> > gets squashed fast, for the sake of the poor kid. she has
> > enough going on right now without being thrust into the
> > national spotlight. <sigh> imagine being 17 & pregnant in a
> > conservative Christian family. you *know* you've disappointed
> > your parents. that's bad enough, but to have it announced what
> > an idiot you've been on an international scale...? Bristol has
> > my sympathy. it's completely unfair to *her*.
> > lee
>
> Ohmygawd. Its JamieLyn Spears all over again....
> <sigh>

Gosh, I hope this story goes into obscurity quickly. There's a long list
of reasons to oppose the McCain/Palin ticket. Palin's teenage daughter's
pregnancy is not one of them. That kind of thing can happen in any
family.