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http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3093255-D4346

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On 1/27/10 5:38 PM, DaleW wrote:
http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3093255-D4346


Wow. It's hard to believe that anyone enough into wine to register on
WineBid wouldn't also know something about finding retail prices on the
Internet.

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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:38:50 -0800 (PST), DaleW
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http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3093255-D4346

Hey what's wrong with a little profit, buy it online for 8.79 sell for
25?
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On Jan 27, 5:52*pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 1/27/10 5:38 PM, DaleW wrote:

http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3093255-D4346


Wow. *It's hard to believe that anyone enough into wine to register on
WineBid wouldn't also know something about finding retail prices on the
Internet.

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well, no bids last week, but lot came back this week with a $15 start-
bidding's up to $20!
http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3097158-D4346

This wine is available for $8, there are about 40 places that have it
under $10, yet people are bidding $20 PLUS VIG and shipping. Mind
boggling.
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On 2/3/10 5:32 PM, DaleW wrote:

well, no bids last week, but lot came back this week with a $15 start-
bidding's up to $20!
http://www.winebid.com/buy_wine/item...=3097158-D4346

This wine is available for $8, there are about 40 places that have it
under $10, yet people are bidding $20 PLUS VIG and shipping. Mind
boggling.


PT Barnum said it best *sigh*

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Interesting... I checked the Dr L in Norway and in Sweden. The Norwegian
offer is a BiB, at a bottle price of 12.85USD (and taxes are steep!) - with
42.5g/l residual sugar. The Swedish is standard bottle at a price of 11USD
and 19gr/l residual sugar!

The Dr L is available in Germany too (to my surprise) in litre bottles at
11USD, classified as Trocken(!).. 8 gr/l... (found standard bottle too -
8.3USD)

I believe this is mostly an export brand for the Loosen company, likely
adjusted to the different markets.

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On 2/4/10 6:59 AM, Anders TÝrneskog wrote:
Interesting... I checked the Dr L in Norway and in Sweden. The Norwegian
offer is a BiB, at a bottle price of 12.85USD (and taxes are steep!) - with
42.5g/l residual sugar. The Swedish is standard bottle at a price of 11USD
and 19gr/l residual sugar!

The Dr L is available in Germany too (to my surprise) in litre bottles at
11USD, classified as Trocken(!).. 8 gr/l... (found standard bottle too -
8.3USD)

I believe this is mostly an export brand for the Loosen company, likely
adjusted to the different markets.


I'm interested in this adjustment, Anders. What is legally allowed for
QbA? Addition of sŁŖreserve? Chaptalization? Adjusting 8 g/l to 42.5
g/l is no small change!

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"Mark Lipton" skrev i melding
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I'm interested in this adjustment, Anders. What is legally allowed for
QbA? Addition of sŁŖreserve? Chaptalization? Adjusting 8 g/l to 42.5
g/l is no small change!

Oh, I did not mean that kind of adjustment :-), simply that different wines
are being used for different markets. The various bottles should have
different APNrs.
Btw, the Swedish bottles have 10% alc, the Norwegian BiB's are at 8.5%.

Chaptalization is adding sugar before fermentation to achieve higher alcohol
levels - sŁssreserve is adding sterilized unfermented grape juice after
fermentation to increase sweetness. Both procedures would be legal afaik
(with restrictions) but are little used today (for quality wine, that is).
I have no idea whether the Loosen firm has done anything like that for this
mass market product. Only thing we know that the label says Mosel and
Riesling, so the juice is sourced from all over the valley (even some 15%
from elsewhere) and then fermented and blended to taste.
Anders


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Only thing we know that the label says Mosel and
Riesling, so the juice is sourced from all over the valley (even some 15%
from elsewhere) and then fermented and blended to taste.
Anders





I was told by a WSET tutor some time ago that much of the grape for DrL is
declassified stock from his more prestigious vineyards, some sub standard
but some to simply restrict the output to maintain a premium price.

The uk version of DrL is 8%, and excellent value at around £7

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"pk" skrev i melding I was told by a WSET tutor some
time ago that much of the grape for DrL is
declassified stock from his more prestigious vineyards, some sub standard
but some to simply restrict the output to maintain a premium price.

The uk version of DrL is 8%, and excellent value at around £7

I've read earlier about this a couple of times, and at
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=670997 you may read the
following:
Dr. L comes exclusively from traditional vineyards with steep slopes and
slate soil. This introductory, non-estate wine embodies the elegant and racy
style of classic Mosel Riesling. By working closely with growers on
long-term contract, brothers Ernst and Thomas Loosen are able to assure
excellent quality in every vintage.

Ah, the very same text is to be found at the Loosen website:
http://www.drloosen.com/v01_drlriesling.htm

The Estate comprises 12.2 hectares which corresponds to 120.000 bottles a
year, fairly large for a Mosel producer, but small for a world market.
It would be interesting to know how much Dr. L is made every year :-)
Anders




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On Feb 5, 10:15*am, "Anders TÝrneskog"
wrote:
"pk" skrev i melding I was told by a WSET tutor some
time ago that much of the grape for DrL is declassified stock from his more prestigious vineyards, some sub standard
but some to simply restrict the output to maintain a premium price.


The uk version of DrL is 8%, and excellent value at around £7


I've read earlier about this a couple of times, and athttp://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=670997you may read the
following:
Dr. L comes exclusively from traditional vineyards with steep slopes and
slate soil. This introductory, non-estate wine embodies the elegant and racy
style of classic Mosel Riesling. By working closely with growers on
long-term contract, brothers Ernst and Thomas Loosen are able to assure
excellent quality in every vintage.

Ah, the very same text is to be found at the Loosen website:http://www.drloosen.com/v01_drlriesling.htm

The Estate comprises 12.2 hectares which corresponds to 120.000 bottles a
year, fairly large for a Mosel producer, but small for a world market.
It would be interesting to know how much Dr. L is made every year :-)
Anders


I'm sure there's some estate grapes (whether young vines, less well-
situated plots, or whatever) but Dr L in US is very large volume, so
would assume it's a tiny fraction of total. That said, there's nothing
wrong with a good negoce wine at a good price, and last couple years
I've found the Dr L (US version) a good value. In fact, I think I've
liked it more than some of the Loosen estate wines, which tend towards
the fruit cocktail/tropical fruit end of spectrum


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