Hi, gang,

I have a problem. I need to know what kind of veg* I am.

First, let me tell you what I am not.

I am NOT a vegan. However, my diet is very similar to a vegan's. From
what I have read about vegans and from the vegans I've met, they are a
bunch of people whose only reason to be any kind of veg* is out of a
zealous animal rights fanaticism. I've been told that if you are not inot
animal rights you are not a vegan. Furthermore, it seems that, to be a
vegan, you must have the conviction that you must coerce the rest of the
world into accepting your position. Count me out on both of those points!
-- And, please, do not call me a vegan. By the way, one look at my old
(and rather beat up) leather belt will tell you I am not a vegan.

I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian because I do not do either eggs or dairy.
Of course, that means that I am lacto-vegetarian or an ovo-vegetarian,
either.

If you are not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus eggs
and milk) or an ovo-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus eggs) or a
lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus dairy), then you would think
that you would be a vegetarian (meaning vegetables plus nothing). Not so,
apparently, for it would seem that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted
the name "vegetarian" for themselves. A while back, I was in a restaurant
that had "vegetarian black beans" on the menu. To my horror, it was
smothered with cheese. I won't make that mistake again, though it still
gets my goat that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted the name
vegetarian when they have a name of their own (ovo-lacto-vegetarian).

Well, what about "strict vegetarian"? It seems, though, that vegans (who
already use the name vegan) want to coopt the name "strict vegetarian" as
well.

Now, all I eat are products of vegetation. However, since I am not any
kind of animal rights fanatic, I am not a vegan (or, apparently, even a
"strict vegetarian") and since I do not eat either unborn poultry or dairy
products I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (or even, it would seem, a
"vegetarian"). So what am I?

Sometimes I just feel like calling myself a herbivore, but someone has
probably coopted that name as well.

--
Your friendly, neighborhood Monkkey's Unkle

"Monkkey's Unkle" > wrote in message
news
> Hi, gang,
>

Why do you want to be labeled?








> I have a problem. I need to know what kind of veg* I am.
>
> First, let me tell you what I am not.
>
> I am NOT a vegan. However, my diet is very similar to a
> vegan's. From
> what I have read about vegans and from the vegans I've met,
> they are a
> bunch of people whose only reason to be any kind of veg* is out
> of a
> zealous animal rights fanaticism. I've been told that if you
> are not inot
> animal rights you are not a vegan. Furthermore, it seems that,
> to be a
> vegan, you must have the conviction that you must coerce the
> rest of the
> world into accepting your position. Count me out on both of
> those points!
> -- And, please, do not call me a vegan. By the way, one look
> at my old
> (and rather beat up) leather belt will tell you I am not a
> vegan.
>
> I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian because I do not do either
> eggs or dairy.
> Of course, that means that I am lacto-vegetarian or an
> ovo-vegetarian,
> either.
>
> If you are not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables
> plus eggs
> and milk) or an ovo-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus
> eggs) or a
> lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus dairy), then you
> would think
> that you would be a vegetarian (meaning vegetables plus
> nothing). Not so,
> apparently, for it would seem that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians
> have coopted
> the name "vegetarian" for themselves. A while back, I was in a
> restaurant
> that had "vegetarian black beans" on the menu. To my horror,
> it was
> smothered with cheese. I won't make that mistake again, though
> it still
> gets my goat that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted the
> name
> vegetarian when they have a name of their own
> (ovo-lacto-vegetarian).
>
> Well, what about "strict vegetarian"? It seems, though, that
> vegans (who
> already use the name vegan) want to coopt the name "strict
> vegetarian" as
> well.
>
> Now, all I eat are products of vegetation. However, since I am
> not any
> kind of animal rights fanatic, I am not a vegan (or,
> apparently, even a
> "strict vegetarian") and since I do not eat either unborn
> poultry or dairy
> products I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (or even, it would
> seem, a
> "vegetarian"). So what am I?
>
> Sometimes I just feel like calling myself a herbivore, but
> someone has
> probably coopted that name as well.
>
> --
> Your friendly, neighborhood Monkkey's Unkle

lables are sticky and don't come off easy even in boiling water.



rick wrote:
> "Monkkey's Unkle" > wrote in message
> news
> > Hi, gang,
> >
>
> Why do you want to be labeled?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a problem. I need to know what kind of veg* I am.
> >
> > First, let me tell you what I am not.
> >
> > I am NOT a vegan. However, my diet is very similar to a
> > vegan's. From
> > what I have read about vegans and from the vegans I've met,
> > they are a
> > bunch of people whose only reason to be any kind of veg* is out
> > of a
> > zealous animal rights fanaticism. I've been told that if you
> > are not inot
> > animal rights you are not a vegan. Furthermore, it seems that,
> > to be a
> > vegan, you must have the conviction that you must coerce the
> > rest of the
> > world into accepting your position. Count me out on both of
> > those points!
> > -- And, please, do not call me a vegan. By the way, one look
> > at my old
> > (and rather beat up) leather belt will tell you I am not a
> > vegan.
> >
> > I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian because I do not do either
> > eggs or dairy.
> > Of course, that means that I am lacto-vegetarian or an
> > ovo-vegetarian,
> > either.
> >
> > If you are not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables
> > plus eggs
> > and milk) or an ovo-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus
> > eggs) or a
> > lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus dairy), then you
> > would think
> > that you would be a vegetarian (meaning vegetables plus
> > nothing). Not so,
> > apparently, for it would seem that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians
> > have coopted
> > the name "vegetarian" for themselves. A while back, I was in a
> > restaurant
> > that had "vegetarian black beans" on the menu. To my horror,
> > it was
> > smothered with cheese. I won't make that mistake again, though
> > it still
> > gets my goat that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted the
> > name
> > vegetarian when they have a name of their own
> > (ovo-lacto-vegetarian).
> >
> > Well, what about "strict vegetarian"? It seems, though, that
> > vegans (who
> > already use the name vegan) want to coopt the name "strict
> > vegetarian" as
> > well.
> >
> > Now, all I eat are products of vegetation. However, since I am
> > not any
> > kind of animal rights fanatic, I am not a vegan (or,
> > apparently, even a
> > "strict vegetarian") and since I do not eat either unborn
> > poultry or dairy
> > products I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (or even, it would
> > seem, a
> > "vegetarian"). So what am I?
> >
> > Sometimes I just feel like calling myself a herbivore, but
> > someone has
> > probably coopted that name as well.
> >
> > --
> > Your friendly, neighborhood Monkkey's Unkle

Just call yourself a vegan. Most people don;t know about the
animal rights stuff. If they're curious, you can always explain more.

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:03:35 -0700, wrote:

>Just call yourself a vegan. Most people don;t know about the
>animal rights stuff.

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

>If they're curious, you can always explain more.
>
>

****wit David Harrison, ignorant lying pig-sodomizing goober cracker,
lied:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:03:35 -0700, wrote:
>
> >Just call yourself a vegan. Most people don;t know about the
> >animal rights stuff.
>
> · Vegans

Are just a caricature, in your warped superstitious belief system.
They're a bogeyman; nothing more.

Monkkey's Unkle > wrote:

> Hi, gang,
>
> I have a problem.

I have your solution:
www.orthorexia.com

> I need to know what kind of veg* I am.

A silly hair-splitting one. Just like the rest. FU and whichever label you finally settle on. Get over it.

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:35:20 +0000, Mr. Know-Ii-All wrote:

> I have your solution:
> www.orthorexia.com

It must be nice to know it all. Some people become vegan after consulting
with their primary care physician, their cardiologist and their
gastroenterologist for valid medical reasons. Take that in your silly
little pipe and smoke it -- as long as it does not give you lung cancer,
that is.

--
Monkkey's Unkle Power (better than Flower Power)

some Monkkey's Bitch wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:35:20 +0000, Mr. Know-Ii-All wrote:
>
>> I have your solution:
>> www.orthorexia.com
>
> It must be nice to know it all. Some people become vegan after consulting
> with their primary care physician, their cardiologist and their
> gastroenterologist for valid medical reasons.

False. Medical professionals generally don't recommend veganism, which is an
austere and extreme brand of vegetarianism that's predicated purely on a
political -- NOT MEDICAL, NOT SCIENTIFIC, NOT NUTRITIONAL -- premise, to
their patients. Few doctors will even recommend vegetarianism, you pathetic
little pansy. There are very few "valid medical reasons" for vegetarianism
(certainly not enough to justify the number of people who are presently
vegetarian), and zero "valid medical reasons" for veganism, which is
politically-, not medically-, oriented.

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:12:09 +0000, chico chupacabra wrote:

> False. Medical professionals generally don't recommend veganism, which is
> an austere and extreme brand of vegetarianism that's predicated purely on
> a political -- NOT MEDICAL, NOT SCIENTIFIC, NOT NUTRITIONAL -- premise, to
> their patients. Few doctors will even recommend vegetarianism

Idiot. I ought to know what my doctors said to me. Of course, since you
already know what my doctors said to me, since you are a know it all, I
don't have to bother to tell you.

Get a life.

--
Monkkey's Unkle Power (better than Flower Power)

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:12:09 +0000, chico chupacabra wrote:

> some Monkkey's Bitch wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:35:20 +0000, Mr. Know-Ii-All wrote:
>>
>>> I have your solution:
>>> www.orthorexia.com
>>
>> It must be nice to know it all. Some people become vegan after
>> consulting with their primary care physician, their cardiologist and
>> their gastroenterologist for valid medical reasons.
>
> False. Medical professionals generally don't recommend veganism, which is
> an austere and extreme brand of vegetarianism that's predicated purely on
> a political -- NOT MEDICAL, NOT SCIENTIFIC, NOT NUTRITIONAL -- premise, to
> their patients. Few doctors will even recommend vegetarianism, you
> pathetic little pansy. There are very few "valid medical reasons" for
> vegetarianism (certainly not enough to justify the number of people who
> are presently vegetarian), and zero "valid medical reasons" for veganism,
> which is politically-, not medically-, oriented.

Your the one who is false. Since I went on my "vegan" diet for non
political reasons (this is why I don't want to be associated with vegan
weirdos) my blood pressure has gone down by 25%, my cholosterol levels
have gone down by 50% and my GERD symptoms have gone down by over 90%.
You see, I do have valid medical reasons. Of course, you don't care about
the facts, just about your self-important opinion. Before popping off at
the mouth, check out the facts of the case.

--
Monkkey's Unkle Power (better than Flower Power)

Monkkey's screeching retarded bitch wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:12:09 +0000, chico chupacabra wrote:
>
>> some Monkkey's Bitch wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:35:20 +0000, Mr. Know-Ii-All wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have your solution:
>>>> www.orthorexia.com
>>>
>>> It mus 1277 messageb 9 0 904 904 796 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00
dbus-daemon-1
t be nice to know it all. Some people become vegan after
>>> consulting with their primary care physician, their cardiologist and
>>> their gastroenterologist for valid medical reasons.
>>
>> False. Medical professionals generally don't recommend veganism, which is
>> an austere and extreme brand of vegetarianism that's predicated purely on
>> a political -- NOT MEDICAL, NOT SCIENTIFIC, NOT NUTRITIONAL -- premise,
>> to their patients. Few doctors will even recommend vegetarianism, you
>> pathetic little pansy. There are very few "valid medical reasons" for
>> vegetarianism (certainly not enough to justify the number of people who
>> are presently vegetarian), and zero "valid medical reasons" for veganism,
>> which is politically-, not medically-, oriented.
>
> Your the one who is false.

No, what I wrote in my reply is true. What you've written isn't.

> Since I went on my "vegan" diet for non
> political reasons (this is why I don't want to be associated with vegan
> weirdos) my blood pressure has gone down by 25%,

Anecdotal. Research shows that diets which include certain meats can
significantly reduce blood pressure.

> my cholosterol levels
> have gone down by 50%

Anecdotal. Research shows that diets which include certain meats can
significantly reduce serum cholesterol. It isn't meat or even dietary
cholesterol which impacts serum cholesterol anyway, it's the balance of
fats in one's diet: saturated fats elevate both HDL and LDL,
monounsaturated fats elevate HDL and reduce LDL, and transfats elevate LDL
while suppressing HDL. Generally speaking, dietary cholesterol reduction
translates to serum cholesterol reduction only when the ratio of fats shift
to favor an increase in HDL, a reduction in LDL, or both.

If serum cholesterol were directly related to dietary cholesterol, doctors
wouldn't recommend oily cold-water fish because they're high in
cholesterol. But consuming those high-cholesterol fish (and wild game,
grass-fed beef and lamb, etc.) helps reduce serum cholesterol. How? Fat
profile. The fat in the fish elevates HDL, which in turn helps reduce LDL.

Search google groups for "author:usual serum cholesterol fats" for links to
relevant medical (Mayo, etc.) sites in support of my claims. I've already
addressed the issue plenty of times, and google has done a fine job of
saving my work for posterity. You should be grateful, even though I suspect
you'll continue being an ingrate who won't even bother learning about the
subject instead of your own anecdotes.

> and my GERD symptoms have gone down by over 90%.

GERD can be alleviated with diets which include meat, too.

> You see, I do have valid medical reasons.

No, veganism isn't medically indicated for the reasons you've provided.

> Of course, you don't care about
> the facts,

Actually, I do, which is why I bothered replying. Asshole.

> just about your self-important opinion.

Find me one study or medical text book that advises veganism as a solution
to the problems you listed. You won't because you can't. Veganism is
peddled as solutions for those problems and every other ill under the sun,
but only through advocacy, not science. You're too ****ing stupid to
understand the difference.

> Before popping off at
> the mouth, check out the facts of the case.

I did. Now go find some scientific evidence to support your claim that
veganism is medically relevant to the issues you raised. Not your worthless
anecdotes (because I can find plenty of people who've reversed the same
conditions you claim to have via diets that still include meat, eggs, and
dairy), but the fruit of real scientific, medical research.

don't worry... i'm a vegetarian who wears animal skins.

but that's the indian in me.



my beliefs came from my great grandparents.. never eat the meat.. but
if you find the skins tribute to the animal and wear it as if your
own..

something about spirit blah blah animal sacrafise warmth winter blah
blah.

?


i drive the vegans up the wall.

especially when i catch them "vegans" eating candies and drinking
alcohol.

haw haw.







Monkkey's Unkle wrote:
> Hi, gang,
>
> I have a problem. I need to know what kind of veg* I am.
>
> First, let me tell you what I am not.
>
> I am NOT a vegan. However, my diet is very similar to a vegan's. From
> what I have read about vegans and from the vegans I've met, they are a
> bunch of people whose only reason to be any kind of veg* is out of a
> zealous animal rights fanaticism. I've been told that if you are not inot
> animal rights you are not a vegan. Furthermore, it seems that, to be a
> vegan, you must have the conviction that you must coerce the rest of the
> world into accepting your position. Count me out on both of those points!
> -- And, please, do not call me a vegan. By the way, one look at my old
> (and rather beat up) leather belt will tell you I am not a vegan.
>
> I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian because I do not do either eggs or dairy.
> Of course, that means that I am lacto-vegetarian or an ovo-vegetarian,
> either.
>
> If you are not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus eggs
> and milk) or an ovo-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus eggs) or a
> lacto-vegetarian (which means vegetables plus dairy), then you would think
> that you would be a vegetarian (meaning vegetables plus nothing). Not so,
> apparently, for it would seem that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted
> the name "vegetarian" for themselves. A while back, I was in a restaurant
> that had "vegetarian black beans" on the menu. To my horror, it was
> smothered with cheese. I won't make that mistake again, though it still
> gets my goat that the ovo-lacto-vegetarians have coopted the name
> vegetarian when they have a name of their own (ovo-lacto-vegetarian).
>
> Well, what about "strict vegetarian"? It seems, though, that vegans (who
> already use the name vegan) want to coopt the name "strict vegetarian" as
> well.
>
> Now, all I eat are products of vegetation. However, since I am not any
> kind of animal rights fanatic, I am not a vegan (or, apparently, even a
> "strict vegetarian") and since I do not eat either unborn poultry or dairy
> products I am not an ovo-lacto-vegetarian (or even, it would seem, a
> "vegetarian"). So what am I?
>
> Sometimes I just feel like calling myself a herbivore, but someone has
> probably coopted that name as well.
>
> --
> Your friendly, neighborhood Monkkey's Unkle