On 2021-06-12 4:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:

> I can't recall the last time I saw a dog of any sort in any store. A local...
> garden supply, I guess, has a cat. Since it used to be "Hertler's Feed Store",
> the tradition may have started by the Hertlers keeping a mouser. Now
> it's all yuppified (can we still call it "yuppies" when we've all got gray
> hair?), but they still have a cat.
>
> OTOH, perhaps the people who grocery-shop at 6 or 7 am just aren't
> the sort to bring their purse dog. Their appearance suggests they're more
> likely to leave their rottweiler at home to guard their trailer.

There are a number of non grocery stores around here that are pet
friendly. One hardware store has a sign saying that they would rather
you bring your dog into the store than to leave it in the car. There is
no pretense of the dog's service roll. I was in there one day and told
them I might take them up on that and take my dog into the store and
then see how quickly that sign would come down.

On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-12 4:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I can't recall the last time I saw a dog of any sort in any store.Â* A
>> local...
>> garden supply, I guess, has a cat.Â* Since it used to be "Hertler's
>> Feed Store",
>> the tradition may have started by the Hertlers keeping a mouser.Â* Now
>> it's all yuppified (can we still call it "yuppies" when we've all got
>> gray
>> hair?), but they still have a cat.
>>
>> OTOH, perhaps the people who grocery-shop at 6 or 7 am just aren't
>> the sort to bring their purse dog.Â* Their appearance suggests they're
>> more
>> likely to leave their rottweiler at home to guard their trailer.
>
> There are a number of non grocery stores around here that are pet
> friendly. One hardware store has a sign saying that they would rather
> you bring your dog into the store than to leave it in the car.

Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.

Jill

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:25:16 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-12 4:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I can't recall the last time I saw a dog of any sort in any store.* A
>>> local...
>>> garden supply, I guess, has a cat.* Since it used to be "Hertler's
>>> Feed Store",
>>> the tradition may have started by the Hertlers keeping a mouser.* Now
>>> it's all yuppified (can we still call it "yuppies" when we've all got
>>> gray
>>> hair?), but they still have a cat.
>>>
>>> OTOH, perhaps the people who grocery-shop at 6 or 7 am just aren't
>>> the sort to bring their purse dog.* Their appearance suggests they're
>>> more
>>> likely to leave their rottweiler at home to guard their trailer.
>>
>> There are a number of non grocery stores around here that are pet
>> friendly. One hardware store has a sign saying that they would rather
>> you bring your dog into the store than to leave it in the car.
>
>Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
> I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>
>Jill

I often see dogs tied up outside the grocery store waiting for their
human. They are always quiet and no one pays them any attention.
I am hopeful that this summer we don't have multiple deaths of
children left in cars. How could a person go on living knowing they
left their child to die like that?
Janet US

On 6/12/2021 10:49 AM, US Janet wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:25:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-12 4:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't recall the last time I saw a dog of any sort in any store.Â* A
>>>> local...
>>>> garden supply, I guess, has a cat.Â* Since it used to be "Hertler's
>>>> Feed Store",
>>>> the tradition may have started by the Hertlers keeping a mouser.Â* Now
>>>> it's all yuppified (can we still call it "yuppies" when we've all got
>>>> gray
>>>> hair?), but they still have a cat.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, perhaps the people who grocery-shop at 6 or 7 am just aren't
>>>> the sort to bring their purse dog.Â* Their appearance suggests they're
>>>> more
>>>> likely to leave their rottweiler at home to guard their trailer.
>>>
>>> There are a number of non grocery stores around here that are pet
>>> friendly. One hardware store has a sign saying that they would rather
>>> you bring your dog into the store than to leave it in the car.
>>
>> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
>> I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I often see dogs tied up outside the grocery store waiting for their
> human. They are always quiet and no one pays them any attention.
> I am hopeful that this summer we don't have multiple deaths of
> children left in cars. How could a person go on living knowing they
> left their child to die like that?
> Janet US
>
The idea of leaving a child in a car is simply unfathonable to me.
Truly, I've been hearing PSA's on the radio [I'm paraphrasing but it's
pretty darn close] "Make sure you check the back seat when you get out
of the car and lock the doors."

How could anyone possibly *forget* they brought their child with them
when they went shopping? Strapped in a car seat and car doors locked.
WTH is wrong with these people?! The PSA says if you notice a child in
a car unattended and the doors are locked and you can't quickly locate
the parent use any means necessary *including* breaking a window on the
oppoosite side to get the child out and into fresh air. And of course
call 911. And start yelling your head off for help.

How sad is it that the world needs PSA reminders like this? Kind of sucks.

Jill

On 2021-06-12 11:24 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 10:49 AM, US Janet wrote:

> The idea of leaving a child in a car is simply unfathonable to me.
> Truly, I've been hearing PSA's on the radio [I'm paraphrasing but it's
> pretty darn close] "Make sure you check the back seat when you get out
> of the car and lock the doors."
>
> How could anyone possibly *forget* they brought their child with them
> when they went shopping?Â* Strapped in a car seat and car doors locked.
> WTH is wrong with these people?

It happened about 50 miles from here a few years ago. I guy was supposed
to take his kid to day care. He forgot the kid was in the car and went
to work and the poor kid died.

One thing that really got me in this case was the lenient treatment for
the father. He got an absolute discharge. It ****ed me off that there
is harsh treatment for cases with a better outcome. A person could get a
heft fine or jail time for leaving a child... or a pet, in a car, and
heavier penalty if medical care was needed. This is a matter of a
worst case scenario, and IMO the worse cases should always result in a
more serious penalty.




!Â* The PSA says if you notice a child in
> a car unattended and the doors are locked and you can't quickly locate
> the parent use any means necessary *including* breaking a window on the
> oppoosite side to get the child out and into fresh air.Â* And of course
> call 911.Â* And start yelling your head off for help.
>
> How sad is it that the world needs PSA reminders like this?Â* Kind of sucks.


It boggles the mind.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:56:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-12 11:24 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 10:49 AM, US Janet wrote:
>
>> The idea of leaving a child in a car is simply unfathonable to me.
>> Truly, I've been hearing PSA's on the radio [I'm paraphrasing but it's
>> pretty darn close] "Make sure you check the back seat when you get out
>> of the car and lock the doors."
>>
>> How could anyone possibly *forget* they brought their child with them
>> when they went shopping?* Strapped in a car seat and car doors locked.
>> WTH is wrong with these people?
>
>It happened about 50 miles from here a few years ago. I guy was supposed
>to take his kid to day care. He forgot the kid was in the car and went
>to work and the poor kid died.
>
>One thing that really got me in this case was the lenient treatment for
>the father. He got an absolute discharge. It ****ed me off that there
>is harsh treatment for cases with a better outcome. A person could get a
>heft fine or jail time for leaving a child... or a pet, in a car, and
>heavier penalty if medical care was needed. This is a matter of a
>worst case scenario, and IMO the worse cases should always result in a
>more serious penalty.
>
>
>
>
>!* The PSA says if you notice a child in
>> a car unattended and the doors are locked and you can't quickly locate
>> the parent use any means necessary *including* breaking a window on the
>> oppoosite side to get the child out and into fresh air.* And of course
>> call 911.* And start yelling your head off for help.
>>
>> How sad is it that the world needs PSA reminders like this?* Kind of sucks.
>
>
>It boggles the mind.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:24:06 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/12/2021 10:49 AM, US Janet wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:25:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-12 4:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't recall the last time I saw a dog of any sort in any store.* A
>>>>> local...
>>>>> garden supply, I guess, has a cat.* Since it used to be "Hertler's
>>>>> Feed Store",
>>>>> the tradition may have started by the Hertlers keeping a mouser.* Now
>>>>> it's all yuppified (can we still call it "yuppies" when we've all got
>>>>> gray
>>>>> hair?), but they still have a cat.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, perhaps the people who grocery-shop at 6 or 7 am just aren't
>>>>> the sort to bring their purse dog.* Their appearance suggests they're
>>>>> more
>>>>> likely to leave their rottweiler at home to guard their trailer.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of non grocery stores around here that are pet
>>>> friendly. One hardware store has a sign saying that they would rather
>>>> you bring your dog into the store than to leave it in the car.
>>>
>>> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>>> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
>>> I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>>> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>>> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I often see dogs tied up outside the grocery store waiting for their
>> human. They are always quiet and no one pays them any attention.
>> I am hopeful that this summer we don't have multiple deaths of
>> children left in cars. How could a person go on living knowing they
>> left their child to die like that?
>> Janet US
>>
>The idea of leaving a child in a car is simply unfathonable to me.
>Truly, I've been hearing PSA's on the radio [I'm paraphrasing but it's
>pretty darn close] "Make sure you check the back seat when you get out
>of the car and lock the doors."
>
>How could anyone possibly *forget* they brought their child with them
>when they went shopping? Strapped in a car seat and car doors locked.
>WTH is wrong with these people?! The PSA says if you notice a child in
>a car unattended and the doors are locked and you can't quickly locate
>the parent use any means necessary *including* breaking a window on the
>oppoosite side to get the child out and into fresh air. And of course
>call 911. And start yelling your head off for help.
>
>How sad is it that the world needs PSA reminders like this? Kind of sucks.
>
>Jill
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 6/12/2021 11:24 AM, jmcquown wrote:


>>
> The idea of leaving a child in a car is simply unfathonable to me.
> Truly, I've been hearing PSA's on the radio [I'm paraphrasing but it's
> pretty darn close] "Make sure you check the back seat when you get out
> of the car and lock the doors."
>
> How could anyone possibly *forget* they brought their child with them
> when they went shopping?Â* Strapped in a car seat and car doors locked.
> WTH is wrong with these people?!Â* The PSA says if you notice a child in
> a car unattended and the doors are locked and you can't quickly locate
> the parent use any means necessary *including* breaking a window on the
> oppoosite side to get the child out and into fresh air.Â* And of course
> call 911.Â* And start yelling your head off for help.
>
> How sad is it that the world needs PSA reminders like this?Â* Kind of sucks.
>
> Jill

Happens every year. Some cars now have sensors if something in the back
seat.n

On 2021-06-12 10:49 a.m., US Janet wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:25:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:

>> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
>> I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I often see dogs tied up outside the grocery store waiting for their
> human. They are always quiet and no one pays them any attention.
> I am hopeful that this summer we don't have multiple deaths of
> children left in cars. How could a person go on living knowing they
> left their child to die like that?


I had a dog that I could leave outside a store. He was an amazing dog
who needed a new home because problems in his old home. He had been very
well trained. He was so good in the car you would forget he was there. I
could tell him to sit when I went into a store and he would sit right
there and not move. Someone told me once that someone might try to
steal him. Good luck. He would not go. My son and my niece both had
experiences where they tried to take him for a walk and he slipped out
of his collar and ran back home.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:33:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-12 10:49 a.m., US Janet wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:25:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>
>>> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>>> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
>>> I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>>> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>>> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I often see dogs tied up outside the grocery store waiting for their
>> human. They are always quiet and no one pays them any attention.
>> I am hopeful that this summer we don't have multiple deaths of
>> children left in cars. How could a person go on living knowing they
>> left their child to die like that?
>
>
>I had a dog that I could leave outside a store. He was an amazing dog
>who needed a new home because problems in his old home. He had been very
>well trained. He was so good in the car you would forget he was there. I
>could tell him to sit when I went into a store and he would sit right
>there and not move. Someone told me once that someone might try to
>steal him. Good luck. He would not go. My son and my niece both had
>experiences where they tried to take him for a walk and he slipped out
>of his collar and ran back home.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 2021-06-12 10:25 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
> Â*I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.


I have no issues with taking a dog in the car..... in appropriate
weather conditions. I would never leave my dog in a car with the
windows open all the way for fear they might escape, and I would not
leave them in a hot car with the windows, and not with the windows up
on a sunny summer day. I don't see a problem if it is in the 60s and a
window can be left part way open.

There have been cases around here where self righteous dicks have
freaked out and broken car windows to "rescue" dogs that were in no need
of rescue. In once case, it was about 65 degrees, the windows were open
half way and the owner was only in the store for 10 minutes.


In Toronto a few years back someone left a large dog in the car and was
checking on it regularly. Some twit came along and smashed the window
open and called animal control. The guy came out to his car and the
animal control officer slapped him in cuffs, cuffed him to his car and
then took off to take the dog to a vet, leaving the owner behind. The
the self righteous complainers beat him up. As it turned out, the dog
was fine. The animal control officer ended up in hot water. You can't
cuff someone and leave them.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:19:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-12 10:25 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 8:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course you shouldn't leave a dog in the car, especially not if it's
>> the middle of summer and hot outside, even with the windows partly open.
>> *I know most dogs love to take a ride in the car but I'd never have
>> taken my dog (yes, I had one a long time ago - a little mutt who lived
>> to be 19 years old) with me when I was going shopping for anything.
>
>
>I have no issues with taking a dog in the car..... in appropriate
>weather conditions. I would never leave my dog in a car with the
>windows open all the way for fear they might escape, and I would not
>leave them in a hot car with the windows, and not with the windows up
>on a sunny summer day. I don't see a problem if it is in the 60s and a
>window can be left part way open.
>
>There have been cases around here where self righteous dicks have
>freaked out and broken car windows to "rescue" dogs that were in no need
>of rescue. In once case, it was about 65 degrees, the windows were open
>half way and the owner was only in the store for 10 minutes.
>
>
>In Toronto a few years back someone left a large dog in the car and was
>checking on it regularly. Some twit came along and smashed the window
>open and called animal control. The guy came out to his car and the
>animal control officer slapped him in cuffs, cuffed him to his car and
>then took off to take the dog to a vet, leaving the owner behind. The
>the self righteous complainers beat him up. As it turned out, the dog
>was fine. The animal control officer ended up in hot water. You can't
>cuff someone and leave them.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce