On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:11:28 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:48:13 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:30:55 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:16:10 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 06:02:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:54:59 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see one of the drugs he received contains cells derived from
>>>>>>'voluntary abortions' - so he also switches his views on things when
>>>>>>it suits him.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't think he has any particular views about abortion, since it
>>>>>doesn't affect him personally. If he's "against" it, it's probably for
>>>>>strategic reasons.
>>>>
>>>>He has stated he is pro-life, looks shaky now anyway since he wrote
>>>>off all those Americans to Covid.
>>>
>>>Yes, he may have stated that, but I don't think he cares one bit. He
>>>probably said that for electoral reasons.
>>
>> Yes to keep the fervent so-called Christians backing him
>
>Corrected your response:-)

Yes, I accept that

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:07:38 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/9/2020 5:34 PM, Silvar Beitel wrote:
>> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
>>>>>> Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
>>>>>> copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture. Yes,
>>>>>> Cornish. But also American.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
>>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
>>>>
>>>> Lucretia, don't be silly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is traditional
>>> in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical Location
>>> status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for 6% of the
>>> Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never heard of them
>>> or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if you can find them,
>>> but it is a long stretch to call them a traditional American dish.
>>
>> You (all) might want to read this:
>> <https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty>
>>
>Thanks, Silvar. For those who don't bother to click the link, it states
>in part "In Michigan, where 19th-century Cornish immigrants brought the
>pasty into the iron mines of the Upper Peninsula, the pasty has been
>celebrated with local festivals and statewide proclamations."
>
>Jill

You are still missing the point! It may have been brought over to NA
by Cornish immigrants but what is served in the USA today is a far cry
from what a pasty is in Cornwall. In Cornwall, the REAL traditional
pasty is still served.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 18:59:31 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:44:08 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Transition Zone wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/2020 7:09 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 02:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 4:43:38 PM UTC-4, Lucretia
>>>>> Borgia wrote: >>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Silvar
>>>>> Beitel >>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to making traditional Cornish/UP pasties
>>>>> yesterday. >>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ZvZYRTSLy4t1ncJ6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, no final photo of the cooked insides; the one I didn't
>>>>> freeze disappeared before I remembered to take a picture. :-) >>>>
>>>>>>>>> Recipe from the Better Homes and Gardens Heritage of America
>>>>> Cookbook, which is worth having (used, old, cheap!) for its
>>>>> discussions of American foodways and lots of "classic" recipes.
>>>>>>>> It's hardly a traditional US dish, it's Cornish as in UK and
>>>>>>>> contained only meat, onion and potato. >> >> How would you
>>>>> know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's Upper Peninsula >>
>>>>> had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the copper and their
>>>>> pasties became >> part of the overall culture. Yes, Cornish. But
>>>>> also American. >> >> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
>>>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here we go again with Lucretia trying to drag Trump into something
>>>>> that has nothing to do with Silvar's post about food.
>>>>
>>>> That should be good. Or are you now ashamed of Trump?
>>>
>>> Hello new person. We are talking cooking, not politics. Lucretia
>>> keeps trying to interject her feelings of one nations politics as more
>>> important than a discussion of cooking in a cooking newsgroup.
>>>
>>> If you wish to do the same, you will find yourself in many peoples
>>> killfiles. Sorry but we already have our full quota of $#^%$&^ and
>>> until one of them leaves, no room for another.
>>
>> I could point out that I have many times posted pics of things I have
>> cooked, only recall you doing so a couple of times. Go and play with
>> your friend Sheldon, he always talks cooking!
>>
>
>Nope, he mostly talks about sex.
>
>He likely had a stroke and now only can talk about having sex with
>his close relatives.
>

Cshenk would argue that with you! She dumped on me for criticizing
him once, said I didn't understand him blah blah blah.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 2:02:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:54:59 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 07:29:01 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Bruce wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is the general consensus in the US that Trump's now completely losing
>> >>> the plot? That's the impression that comes across here.
>> >>
>> >>I suspect so, Bruce. I only speak for myself but imo, the
>> >>fellow has gone nutcase. He runs his Tweeting mouth each
>> >>night and shoots another round into his foot.
>> >>
>> >>Reminds me of:
>> >>"I only open my mouth to switch feet."
>> >>
>> >>He embarrassed himself in the first debate and now he's
>> >>refusing the 2nd debate unless it's in person again.
>> >>He has no respect for wearing masks. Idiot.
>> >>
>> >>I always thought he might win just because of the constant
>> >>democrat bullying all these years. I do think that even
>> >>some Trump supporters are at least raising their eyebrows
>> >>now.
>> >>
>> >>Joke: Just like Nancy did 4 years ago. haha
>> >>
>> >>I'm now thinking he might lose by a large margin, rather
>> >>than a close race.
>> >
>> >I see one of the drugs he received contains cells derived from
>> >'voluntary abortions' - so he also switches his views on things when
>> >it suits him.
>> I don't think he has any particular views about abortion, since it
>> doesn't affect him personally. If he's "against" it, it's probably for
>> strategic reasons.
>
>Of course it is "for strategic reasons." I am just the opposite. I have nothing
>to gain from being militantly pro-choice, but I went out recently to counter-
>demonstrate with my, "REDUCE ABORTION HAVE MORE ORAL SEX," sign.
>There's going to be another one soon, and I've got an idea for another sign:
>*These folks miss the COAT HANGER DAYS*, with pictured coat hangers
>dripping blood.
>
>--Bryan

I've often wondered what the pro-life people would do if they close
every clinic and the 'coat hanger' days return, for they surely would.
I think the women involved would be declared 'sinners' and stoned.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 20:09:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:39:55 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 02:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 4:43:38 PM UTC-4, Lucretia
>> Borgia >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >I finally got around to making traditional Cornish/UP pasties
>> >> yesterday. >> >
>> >> >> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ZvZYRTSLy4t1ncJ6
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Sorry, no final photo of the cooked insides; the one I didn't
>> >> freeze disappeared before I remembered to take a picture. :-) >> >
>> >> >> >Recipe from the Better Homes and Gardens Heritage of America
>> >> Cookbook, which is worth having (used, old, cheap!) for its
>> >> discussions of American foodways and lots of "classic" recipes. >>
>> >> It's hardly a traditional US dish, it's Cornish as in UK and >>
>> >> contained only meat, onion and potato.
>> >> >
>> >> > How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
>> >> > Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
>> >> > copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture.
>> Yes, >> > Cornish. But also American.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
>> >> instead of 'traditional' -
>> >
>> > Lucretia, don't be silly.
>>
>> Go play with your naval buddy
>
>What Naval buddy? The one in my killfile for 2 years that I get
>accused of for every silly thing he says?
>
>Get a life.

You don't remember defending him and explaining why he is the way he
is???

On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 20:14:30 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > > > How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
>> > > > Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine
>> > > > the copper and their pasties became part of the overall
>> > > > culture. Yes, Cornish. But also American.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cindy Hamilton
>> > >
>> > > That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
>> > > instead of 'traditional' -
>> >
>> > Lucretia, don't be silly.
>> >
>>
>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is
>> traditional in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical
>> Location status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for
>> 6% of the Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never
>> heard of them or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if
>> you can find them, but it is a long stretch to call them a
>> traditional American dish.
>
>Lucretia is trying to batter Trump, any way she can, even in a cooking
>topic. Do you not see that?

Your imagination works overtime! Tell us some more about all the
disabled dogs you take in from the goodness of your heart.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
> at home. How awesome is that?

That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.

Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
Mainly just clam flavored breading.

Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 6:43:18 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 20:14:30 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> >> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> > > > How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
> >> > > > Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine
> >> > > > the copper and their pasties became part of the overall
> >> > > > culture. Yes, Cornish. But also American.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> >> > >
> >> > > That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
> >> > > instead of 'traditional' -
> >> >
> >> > Lucretia, don't be silly.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is
> >> traditional in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical
> >> Location status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for
> >> 6% of the Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never
> >> heard of them or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if
> >> you can find them, but it is a long stretch to call them a
> >> traditional American dish.
> >
> >Lucretia is trying to batter Trump, any way she can, even in a cooking
> >topic. Do you not see that?
> Your imagination works overtime! Tell us some more about all the
> disabled dogs you take in from the goodness of your heart.


Oh my....

--
Best
Greg

Bruce wrote:
> I think the extra sugar's more in the prefab foods and the soft
> drinks.

Speaking of soft drinks... The last time I bought one was in
November 2019. A 2-liter bottle of Root Beer.

I've never opened it and it's been in the fridge all this time.

I think I'll go ahead and open the thing next month...like
a one year anniversary thing. I always have liked rootbeer.
It should be a nice treat.

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:07:38 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
> >On 10/9/2020 5:34 PM, Silvar Beitel wrote:
> >> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> >>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
> >>>>>> Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
> >>>>>> copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture. Yes,
> >>>>>> Cornish. But also American.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
> >>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
> >>>>
> >>>> Lucretia, don't be silly.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is traditional
> >>> in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical Location
> >>> status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for 6% of the
> >>> Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never heard of them
> >>> or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if you can find them,
> >>> but it is a long stretch to call them a traditional American dish.
> >>
> >> You (all) might want to read this:
> >> <https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty>
> >>
> >Thanks, Silvar. For those who don't bother to click the link, it states
> >in part "In Michigan, where 19th-century Cornish immigrants brought the
> >pasty into the iron mines of the Upper Peninsula, the pasty has been
> >celebrated with local festivals and statewide proclamations."
> >
> >Jill
> You are still missing the point! It may have been brought over to NA
> by Cornish immigrants but what is served in the USA today is a far cry
> from what a pasty is in Cornwall.

How do you know?

> In Cornwall, the REAL traditional
> pasty is still served.

Who gives a damn?

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:56:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
> > them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
> > at home. How awesome is that?
> That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
> In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
> really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
> of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
>
> Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
> Mainly just clam flavored breading.
>
> Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?

Definitely not.

> Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?

Pie crust.

Here's a fairly standard recipe:

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/

Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 8:00:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > I think the extra sugar's more in the prefab foods and the soft
> > drinks.
> Speaking of soft drinks... The last time I bought one was in
> November 2019. A 2-liter bottle of Root Beer.
>
> I've never opened it and it's been in the fridge all this time.
>
> I think I'll go ahead and open the thing next month...like
> a one year anniversary thing. I always have liked rootbeer.
> It should be a nice treat.

I predict it will have gone flat. Plastic is gas-permeable.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:21:30 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:07:38 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> > >On 10/9/2020 5:34 PM, Silvar Beitel wrote:
> > >> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > >>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
> > >>>>>> Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
> > >>>>>> copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture. Yes,
> > >>>>>> Cornish. But also American.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
> > >>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lucretia, don't be silly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is traditional
> > >>> in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical Location
> > >>> status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for 6% of the
> > >>> Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never heard of them
> > >>> or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if you can find them,
> > >>> but it is a long stretch to call them a traditional American dish.
> > >>
> > >> You (all) might want to read this:
> > >> <https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty>
> > >>
> > >Thanks, Silvar. For those who don't bother to click the link, it states
> > >in part "In Michigan, where 19th-century Cornish immigrants brought the
> > >pasty into the iron mines of the Upper Peninsula, the pasty has been
> > >celebrated with local festivals and statewide proclamations."
> > >
> > >Jill
> > You are still missing the point! It may have been brought over to NA
> > by Cornish immigrants but what is served in the USA today is a far cry
> > from what a pasty is in Cornwall.
> How do you know?
> > In Cornwall, the REAL traditional
> > pasty is still served.
> Who gives a damn?
>
> Cindy Hamilton


EXACTLY...

--
Best
Greg

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 8:00:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > > I think the extra sugar's more in the prefab foods and the soft
> > > drinks.
> > Speaking of soft drinks... The last time I bought one was in
> > November 2019. A 2-liter bottle of Root Beer.
> >
> > I've never opened it and it's been in the fridge all this time.
> >
> > I think I'll go ahead and open the thing next month...like
> > a one year anniversary thing. I always have liked rootbeer.
> > It should be a nice treat.
>
> I predict it will have gone flat. Plastic is gas-permeable.

Hopefully, you're wrong but I'll let you know.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
Gary:
> > Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>
> Definitely not.
>
> > Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>
> Pie crust.
>
> Here's a fairly standard recipe:
> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/
> Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.

I would cook the filling well beforehand.

As I don't need portability for work in the mines,
probably best to just make a two-crust chicken or
beef pot pie.

I'll have to try my hand at one soon.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
>> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
>> at home. How awesome is that?
>
>That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
>In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
>really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
>of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
>
>Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
>Mainly just clam flavored breading.
>
>Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?

It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.

The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:07:38 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>> >On 10/9/2020 5:34 PM, Silvar Beitel wrote:
>> >> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> >>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
>> >>>>>> Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
>> >>>>>> copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture. Yes,
>> >>>>>> Cornish. But also American.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
>> >>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lucretia, don't be silly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is traditional
>> >>> in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical Location
>> >>> status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for 6% of the
>> >>> Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never heard of them
>> >>> or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if you can find them,
>> >>> but it is a long stretch to call them a traditional American dish.
>> >>
>> >> You (all) might want to read this:
>> >> <https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty>
>> >>
>> >Thanks, Silvar. For those who don't bother to click the link, it states
>> >in part "In Michigan, where 19th-century Cornish immigrants brought the
>> >pasty into the iron mines of the Upper Peninsula, the pasty has been
>> >celebrated with local festivals and statewide proclamations."
>> >
>> >Jill
>> You are still missing the point! It may have been brought over to NA
>> by Cornish immigrants but what is served in the USA today is a far cry
>> from what a pasty is in Cornwall.
>
>How do you know?
>
>> In Cornwall, the REAL traditional
>> pasty is still served.
>
>Who gives a damn?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Cornish people are very proud of their pasties.

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
> >> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
> >> at home. How awesome is that?
> >
> >That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
> >In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
> >really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
> >of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
> >
> >Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
> >Mainly just clam flavored breading.
> >
> >Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
> >Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>
> It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
> woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
> dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
> thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.
>
> The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
> they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
> Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.

True. I think a 2-crust chicken or beef pot pie would be fine
and easier to make too.

On 2020-10-10 7:40 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> I've often wondered what the pro-life people would do if they close
> every clinic and the 'coat hanger' days return, for they surely would.
> I think the women involved would be declared 'sinners' and stoned.


I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> > I've often wondered what the pro-life people would do if they close
> > every clinic and the 'coat hanger' days return, for they surely would.
> > I think the women involved would be declared 'sinners' and stoned.
>
> I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
> women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
> have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
> throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.

It will be a sad day in the US if Roe vs Wade ever gets
overturned
and abortions become illegal again. That's just nuts.

These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
free status first. Then all be shot!

Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:07:38 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >> >On 10/9/2020 5:34 PM, Silvar Beitel wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >>> On 2020-10-09 4:39 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> >> >>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>> How would you know what's traditional in the U.S.? Michigan's
> >> >>>>>> Upper Peninsula had a bunch of Cornish miners come in to mine the
> >> >>>>>> copper and their pasties became part of the overall culture. Yes,
> >> >>>>>> Cornish. But also American.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That's a very Trumpish retort - the word 'American' could be used
> >> >>>>> instead of 'traditional' -
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Lucretia, don't be silly.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I don't think that she is being silly. It is a dish that is traditional
> >> >>> in Cornwall in the UK. It even has Protected Geographical Location
> >> >>> status in Europe. It is their national dish and accounts for 6% of the
> >> >>> Cornish food economy. Most Americans have probably never heard of them
> >> >>> or had them. Feel free to make them or to buy them if you can find them,
> >> >>> but it is a long stretch to call them a traditional American dish.
> >> >>
> >> >> You (all) might want to read this:
> >> >> <https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty>
> >> >>
> >> >Thanks, Silvar. For those who don't bother to click the link, it states
> >> >in part "In Michigan, where 19th-century Cornish immigrants brought the
> >> >pasty into the iron mines of the Upper Peninsula, the pasty has been
> >> >celebrated with local festivals and statewide proclamations."
> >> >
> >> >Jill
> >> You are still missing the point! It may have been brought over to NA
> >> by Cornish immigrants but what is served in the USA today is a far cry
> >> from what a pasty is in Cornwall.
> >
> >How do you know?
> >
> >> In Cornwall, the REAL traditional
> >> pasty is still served.
> >
> >Who gives a damn?
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> Cornish people are very proud of their pasties.


And the Yoopers proud of theirs...so everyone should be happy...!!!

:-D

--
Best
Greg

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:34:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>Gary:
>> > Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>>
>> Definitely not.
>>
>> > Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>>
>> Pie crust.
>>
>> Here's a fairly standard recipe:
>> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/
>> Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.
>
>I would cook the filling well beforehand.
>
>As I don't need portability for work in the mines,
>probably best to just make a two-crust chicken or
>beef pot pie.
>
>I'll have to try my hand at one soon.

Yuck, don't cook the filling first!

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> > I've often wondered what the pro-life people would do if they close
>> > every clinic and the 'coat hanger' days return, for they surely would.
>> > I think the women involved would be declared 'sinners' and stoned.
>>
>> I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
>> women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
>> have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
>> throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.
>
>It will be a sad day in the US if Roe vs Wade ever gets
>overturned
>and abortions become illegal again. That's just nuts.
>
>These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
>Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
>free status first. Then all be shot!

Years ago, before computers at home, I wrote a letter to the local
newspaper saying the churches should pay taxes like the rest of us,
mostly because the RC church had just made a financial killing selling
a property mid-downtown where they had a monastery originally.

I sure pressed a button - the phone rang off the hook and some were
real hate calls. My kids were mad because they were just at the stage
where phone calls to friends was the big thing

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:34:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >Gary:
> >> > Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
> >>
> >> Definitely not.
> >>
> >> > Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
> >>
> >> Pie crust.
> >>
> >> Here's a fairly standard recipe:
> >> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/
> >> Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.
> >
> >I would cook the filling well beforehand.
> >
> >As I don't need portability for work in the mines,
> >probably best to just make a two-crust chicken or
> >beef pot pie.
> >
> >I'll have to try my hand at one soon.
>
> Yuck, don't cook the filling first!

Why not? Just make it right and it will heat back up
as the crust cooks. I don't see a problem with that.

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> Years ago, before computers at home, I wrote a letter to the local
> newspaper saying the churches should pay taxes like the rest of us,
> mostly because the RC church had just made a financial killing selling
> a property mid-downtown where they had a monastery originally.
>
> I sure pressed a button - the phone rang off the hook and some were
> real hate calls.

And don't forget...those hate calls were from the supposedly
"love thy neighbor" friendly Christians. What a joke they
are. They need to be purged from our society. Nothing but
troublemakers.

Gary 20:5 - Be excellent to one another and mind thine
own business.

heyjoe wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:40:37 -0400
> in Message-ID: >
> Gary wrote :
>
> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:34:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>Gary:
> >>>> > Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
> >>>>
> >>>> Definitely not.
> >>>>
> >>>> > Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pie crust.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a fairly standard recipe:
> >>>> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/
> >>>> Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.
> >>>
> >>>I would cook the filling well beforehand.
> >>>
> >>>As I don't need portability for work in the mines,
> >>>probably best to just make a two-crust chicken or
> >>>beef pot pie.
> >>>
> >>>I'll have to try my hand at one soon.
> >>
> >> Yuck, don't cook the filling first!
> >
> > Why not? Just make it right and it will heat back up
> > as the crust cooks. I don't see a problem with that.
>
> THAT's not how they do it in Cornwall.

Luckily, I don't live in Cornwall.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:41:10 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-10-10 7:40 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> I've often wondered what the pro-life people would do if they close
>> every clinic and the 'coat hanger' days return, for they surely would.
>> I think the women involved would be declared 'sinners' and stoned.
>
>
> I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
> women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
> have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
> throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.

But if those religious types discriminate against or criticize you, it's
called "religious freedom". Return the favour and they cry out:
"Persecution!"

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:34:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
>>> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
>>> at home. How awesome is that?
>>
>>That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
>>In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
>>really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
>>of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
>>
>>Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
>>Mainly just clam flavored breading.
>>
>>Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>>Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>
> It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
> woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
> dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
> thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.
>
> The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
> they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
> Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.

The Bedfordshire Clanger had the meat course at one end and the sweet at
the other.

On 2020-10-10 10:27 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>> These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
>> Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
>> free status first. Then all be shot!
>
> Years ago, before computers at home, I wrote a letter to the local
> newspaper saying the churches should pay taxes like the rest of us,
> mostly because the RC church had just made a financial killing selling
> a property mid-downtown where they had a monastery originally.

I am an atheist who is not in favour of taxing churches. I consider them
to be community property. They are gathering places for people. They
usually make their facilities available to other groups. Lots of
organizations meet at churches and have meals catered by the church
groups, a convenient savings for them and a fund raiser for the church.

That being said, there should be some restrictions on their financial
activities do that they are used only for community work and not to
enrich the church.

On 2020-10-10 9:57 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>
>> I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
>> women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
>> have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
>> throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.
>
> It will be a sad day in the US if Roe vs Wade ever gets
> overturned
> and abortions become illegal again. That's just nuts.
>
> These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
> Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
> free status first. Then all be shot!


Maybe so, but all sorts of other organizations use their money to lobby
the government. It is up to the government to stand firm and tell them no.

On 2020-10-10 12:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:41:10 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>

>> I always thought that they opposed abortion because they thought that
>> women have to pay a price for the sin of enjoying sex. Funny how they
>> have no problem with capital punishment. They are like fishermen,
>> throwing the small ones back in so they can kill them when they are bigger.
>
> But if those religious types discriminate against or criticize you, it's
> called "religious freedom". Return the favour and they cry out:
> "Persecution!"

No shit. We were all expected to take part in morning prayers as part of
their indoctrination programs. On the Jehovah Witnesses were able to
skip out of prayers. They have no problems coercing people into
participating in prayers, but if you tell them they can't do that they
start bitching and whining about their religious rights. If you have an
event that involves a meal you are expected to have someone say grace.

We had a guy at work who had a religious problem. He always took it upon
himself to say grace at meals organized by others. One year I was
organizing the Christmas lunch and several people did not want to come
to it because of Brother Burchell's long winded graces. I arranged for
someone else to do the grace and told Burchell it was taken care of and
do not say grace.

The day of the luncheon we are all about to hit the buffer, had the
grace said and everyone is getting up to get their food when Burchell
got up and asked for quiet while he said a prayer. Everyone is looking
at me to do something about it, so I went over and said "Burchell, I
asked you not to do this" and he answered angrily "No you didn't. You
asked me to say grace", so he was a liar too.

When I got back to the shop he came looking for me and was yammering at
me not to dare to interrupt him when he is preaching. I told him not to
dare to say grace at a meal that I have arranged.

On 2020-10-10 12:39 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:34:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
>>>> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
>>>> at home. How awesome is that?
>>>
>>> That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
>>> In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
>>> really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
>>> of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
>>>
>>> Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
>>> Mainly just clam flavored breading.
>>>
>>> Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>>> Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>>
>> It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
>> woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
>> dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
>> thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.
>>
>> The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
>> they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
>> Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.
>
> The Bedfordshire Clanger had the meat course at one end and the sweet at
> the other.
>

They should make them in such a way that you have to eat your first
course or you don't get dessert.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:20:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-10-10 10:27 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>> These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
>>> Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
>>> free status first. Then all be shot!
>>
>> Years ago, before computers at home, I wrote a letter to the local
>> newspaper saying the churches should pay taxes like the rest of us,
>> mostly because the RC church had just made a financial killing selling
>> a property mid-downtown where they had a monastery originally.
>
>I am an atheist who is not in favour of taxing churches. I consider them
>to be community property. They are gathering places for people.

So is the local McDonalds.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:40:37 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:34:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>
>> >Gary:
>> >> > Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>> >>
>> >> Definitely not.
>> >>
>> >> > Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>> >>
>> >> Pie crust.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a fairly standard recipe:
>> >> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/46981/pasties-ii/
>> >> Don't make the cubes of vegetable too big, or they won't cook properly.
>> >
>> >I would cook the filling well beforehand.
>> >
>> >As I don't need portability for work in the mines,
>> >probably best to just make a two-crust chicken or
>> >beef pot pie.
>> >
>> >I'll have to try my hand at one soon.
>>
>> Yuck, don't cook the filling first!
>
>Why not? Just make it right and it will heat back up
>as the crust cooks. I don't see a problem with that.

Definitely not the same flavour

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:39:33 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:34:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
>>>> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
>>>> at home. How awesome is that?
>>>
>>>That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
>>>In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
>>>really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
>>>of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
>>>
>>>Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
>>>Mainly just clam flavored breading.
>>>
>>>Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
>>>Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
>>
>> It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
>> woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
>> dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
>> thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.
>>
>> The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
>> they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
>> Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.
>
>The Bedfordshire Clanger had the meat course at one end and the sweet at
>the other.

I saw a Jamie Oliver recently where he endeavoured to promote the
Clanger. Never had one myself.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:20:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-10-10 10:27 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>> These religious people need to keep this within their churches.
>>> Trying to influence politics now, they should lose their tax
>>> free status first. Then all be shot!
>>
>> Years ago, before computers at home, I wrote a letter to the local
>> newspaper saying the churches should pay taxes like the rest of us,
>> mostly because the RC church had just made a financial killing selling
>> a property mid-downtown where they had a monastery originally.
>
>I am an atheist who is not in favour of taxing churches. I consider them
>to be community property. They are gathering places for people. They
>usually make their facilities available to other groups. Lots of
>organizations meet at churches and have meals catered by the church
>groups, a convenient savings for them and a fund raiser for the church.
>
>That being said, there should be some restrictions on their financial
>activities do that they are used only for community work and not to
>enrich the church.
>
>
It doesn't matter here, they are closing fast because nobody believes
anymore. Even funerals usually take place at the funeral home now,
the latter saw that coming and most have added nice spaces made for
purpose.

There are two that have done well and built huge new big churches.
The Lebanese Church and the Coptic Church but I feel they are
community centres more so than churches.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:07:45 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:20:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>I am an atheist who is not in favour of taxing churches. I consider them
>>to be community property. They are gathering places for people. They
>>usually make their facilities available to other groups. Lots of
>>organizations meet at churches and have meals catered by the church
>>groups, a convenient savings for them and a fund raiser for the church.
>>
>>That being said, there should be some restrictions on their financial
>>activities do that they are used only for community work and not to
>>enrich the church.
>>
>>
>It doesn't matter here, they are closing fast because nobody believes
>anymore. Even funerals usually take place at the funeral home now,
>the latter saw that coming and most have added nice spaces made for
>purpose.
>
>There are two that have done well and built huge new big churches.
>The Lebanese Church and the Coptic Church but I feel they are
>community centres more so than churches.

How many Christians per country:
Canada: 67%
US: 70%
Australia: 52%
Netherlands: 37%
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country>

And that's just Christians. "Nobody believes anymore"?

On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-10-10 12:39 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:34:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 07:56:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
> >>>> them that. The good news is that you can make better ones
> >>>> at home. How awesome is that?
> >>>
> >>> That's been on my "to do" list for a long time.
> >>> In the commercial sense, Hot Pockets are similar but they
> >>> really screwed up. Way too much crust for the little bit
> >>> of filling, not to mention all the chemical crap they add.
> >>>
> >>> Similar to buying fried clam strips at a restaurant.
> >>> Mainly just clam flavored breading.
> >>>
> >>> Question: Would puff pastry be good to use for a pasty?
> >>> Or is there a good homemade flour recipe?
> >>
> >> It should be short crust pastry and I used to cheat a bit (as I saw a
> >> woman from Cornwall do!) and use the pasty recipe but make it in a pie
> >> dish. We all preferred a little less pastry too. I must say, this
> >> thread has generated an urge in me to make a pasty again.
> >>
> >> The point of making individual ones was that traditionally was how
> >> they wrapped up a lunchtime meal for farmers, miners, fishermen etc.
> >> Meat and two vegs, wrapped up in pastry then a cloth to enfold it all.
> >
> > The Bedfordshire Clanger had the meat course at one end and the sweet at
> > the other.
> >
> They should make them in such a way that you have to eat your first
> course or you don't get dessert.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

Cindy Hamilton

On 10/10/2020 1:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> The day of the luncheon we are all about to hit the buffer, had the
> grace said and everyone is getting up to get their food when Burchell
> got up and asked for quiet while he said a prayer.Â* Everyone is looking
> at me to do something about it, so I went over and said "Burchell, I
> asked you not to do this" and he answered angrily "No you didn't. You
> asked me to say grace", so he was a liar too.
>
> When I got back to the shop he came looking for me and was yammering at
> me not to dare to interrupt him when he is preaching.Â* I told him not to
> dare to say grace at a meal that I have arranged.
>

I have friend that is a somewhat religious catholic. In situations like
that, she just silently says her grace. No one else is bothered. If
you were not looking at her you'd not notice the 30 seconds or so when
she does it.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Those Brits seem to make their pasty really big - I'll give
> them that.

Brit woman have really big nipples.