On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:13:15 -0700, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> If one were to write a novel that accurately
> portrayed my family, it would be dismissed

Like the fictive one you keep quoting.

In article >, says...
> Subject: Pasties
> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
> > Face it, your argument is silly.
> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
> > being right.
> >
>
> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>

In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
contest.

Janet UK

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>> Subject: Pasties
>> From: Ed Pawlowski >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
>> > Face it, your argument is silly.
>> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
>> > being right.
>> >
>>
>> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>>
>
> In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
>contest.

You lose the bet. Gary was right.

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, says...
> >> Subject: Pasties
> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> >> > [quoted text muted]
> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
> >> > being right.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
> >>
> >
> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
> >contest.
> You lose the bet. Gary was right.

But simplistic in his analysis.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, says...
>> >> Subject: Pasties
>> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
>> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> >>
>> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
>> >> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
>> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
>> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
>> >> > being right.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>> >>
>> >
>> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
>> >contest.
>> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
>
>But simplistic in his analysis.

There is a God or there isn't.

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >, says...
> >> >> Subject: Pasties
> >> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> >> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> >> >> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
> >> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
> >> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
> >> >> > being right.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
> >> >contest.
> >> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
> >
> >But simplistic in his analysis.
>
> There is a God or there isn't.

I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God exists. If you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong, it won't matter at all. This is called "hedging your bets."

On 2020-10-16 7:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> Subject: Pasties From: Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> [quoted text muted] everything from now on to prevent you
>>>>>>> from claiming that? Face it, your argument is silly. One
>>>>>>> person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of being
>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to
>>>>> win. No contest.
>>>> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
>>>
>>> But simplistic in his analysis.
>>
>> There is a God or there isn't.
>
> I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God exists. If
> you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong, it won't matter at
> all. This is called "hedging your bets."
>


It's also called Pascal's wager.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-10-16 7:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> Subject: Pasties From: Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> [quoted text muted] everything from now on to prevent you
>>>>>>>> from claiming that? Face it, your argument is silly. One
>>>>>>>> person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of being
>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to
>>>>>> win. No contest.
>>>>> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
>>>>
>>>> But simplistic in his analysis.
>>>
>>> There is a God or there isn't.
>>
>> I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God exists. If
>> you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong, it won't matter at
>> all. This is called "hedging your bets."
>>
>
>
> It's also called Pascal's wager.
>

Pascal's wager is actually a matrix. There are more than one simple
jewish god to bet on.

Leo wrote:
>
> Nesbitt's made a
> great orange float, which reminds me. I haven't had an orange
> float in a long time, and I liked 'em. Vanilla ice cream,
> of course.

That would be good. Reminds me of the old creamsicles.
(aka dreamsicles)
Orange sherbet with vanilla ice cream.
You can buy that in large containers too.

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2010171442550091.jpg
(28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.)

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:00:16 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-10-16 7:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article >,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>> Subject: Pasties From: Ed Pawlowski >
> >>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>>>>>> [quoted text muted] everything from now on to prevent you
> >>>>>>> from claiming that? Face it, your argument is silly. One
> >>>>>>> person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of being
> >>>>>>> right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can we place bets on the outcome?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to
> >>>>> win. No contest.
> >>>> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
> >>>
> >>> But simplistic in his analysis.
> >>
> >> There is a God or there isn't.
> >
> > I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God exists. If
> > you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong, it won't matter at
> > all. This is called "hedging your bets."
> >
>
>
> It's also called Pascal's wager.

Ah, I did not know this. Thanks.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >In article >, says...
> > >> >> Subject: Pasties
> > >> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> > >> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> > >> >> > [quoted text muted]
> > >> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
> > >> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
> > >> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
> > >> >> > being right.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
> > >> >contest.
> > >> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
> > >
> > >But simplistic in his analysis.
> >
> > There is a God or there isn't.
>
> I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God
> exists. If you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong,
> it won't matter at all. This is called "hedging your bets."

I actually had a friend once that was well versed in many
different religions. She told me that she prays to ALL the
gods, "That way, I've got all my bases covered."

I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 6:41:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >In article >, says...
> > > >> >> Subject: Pasties
> > > >> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> > > >> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> > > >> >> > [quoted text muted]
> > > >> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
> > > >> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
> > > >> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
> > > >> >> > being right.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
> > > >> >contest.
> > > >> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
> > > >
> > > >But simplistic in his analysis.
> > >
> > > There is a God or there isn't.
> >
> > I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God
> > exists. If you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong,
> > it won't matter at all. This is called "hedging your bets."
> I actually had a friend once that was well versed in many
> different religions. She told me that she prays to ALL the
> gods, "That way, I've got all my bases covered."
>
> I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
> power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.

Only your self-respect, if you are convinced that humans
evolved to need to believe in gods and invented the whole
concept because they're afraid.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:41:49 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:49:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:41:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >In article >, says...
>> > >> >> Subject: Pasties
>> > >> >> From: Ed Pawlowski >
>> > >> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 10/15/2020 12:26 PM, Gary wrote:
>> > >> >> > [quoted text muted]
>> > >> >> > everything from now on to prevent you from claiming that?
>> > >> >> > Face it, your argument is silly.
>> > >> >> > One person, one god. Believe it or not. 50/50 chance of
>> > >> >> > being right.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Can we place bets on the outcome?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > In any argument between Gary and Cindy, I'd bet on Cindy to win. No
>> > >> >contest.
>> > >> You lose the bet. Gary was right.
>> > >
>> > >But simplistic in his analysis.
>> >
>> > There is a God or there isn't.
>>
>> I you want to take bets, you should always pick that God
>> exists. If you're right, you're a winner. If you're wrong,
>> it won't matter at all. This is called "hedging your bets."
>
>I actually had a friend once that was well versed in many
>different religions. She told me that she prays to ALL the
>gods, "That way, I've got all my bases covered."
>
>I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
>power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.

You have a point there, to say you believe is sufficient. It accounts
for why all these moralising Christians who believe like Bakker et al
behave in unacceptable ways while proclaiming they give their all to
their god.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
> > power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.
>
> Only your self-respect, if you are convinced that humans
> evolved to need to believe in gods and invented the whole
> concept because they're afraid.

Pfffft. I live my life as a nice person. I know what's
right and wrong to do. I do not believe in any of the
religious interpretations or stories. I do not obey any
of the religious rules because of "going to hell" if
you don't.

I just do what I do and I never worry about an afterlife.
If there *is* a god and some "judgement" later on, I'll
stand on my lifestyle. I won't "grovel at his feet,"
I'll look him in the eye and shake his hand and say,
"Damn...so you are for real"

If I'm not good enough to "go to heaven" what ever that is,
so be it. And if dying is just being dead, no worries.

Bottom line, I never think about religion until it's
brought to my attention. This worries the heck out of
my bible belt mom. All of those people are obscessed
with religion and only their version of it. All other
concepts are doomed.

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> You have a point there, to say you believe is sufficient. It accounts
> for why all these moralising Christians who believe like Bakker et al
> behave in unacceptable ways while proclaiming they give their all to
> their god.

They are mostly just phonys following the money trail.

Worldwide seems to be a belief in a "higher power." There's
always that common tread but different interpretations vary
greatly and often very oddly.

I don't believe in anything any preacher, priest, monk,
whatever says. I just live a good life and if that's
not good enough to a higher power, so be it.

Many religious leaders/preachers are after the money and
the power it gives them. None of that nonsense for me.
I ignore them all.

Here's a funny: My mom is 89 now and doesn't want to
die until I'm "saved." I think I've discovered the
"fountain of youth" here (for her). heheh

On 2020-10-17 7:49 a.m., Gary wrote:

> I just do what I do and I never worry about an afterlife.
> If there *is* a god and some "judgement" later on, I'll
> stand on my lifestyle. I won't "grovel at his feet,"
> I'll look him in the eye and shake his hand and say,
> "Damn...so you are for real"

You may live your life being kind and generous to people, but that is
not good enough for some religious people. Some might want to stone you
to death for eating pork, for exposing your ankle or wrist, for not
attending services and be seen praying publicly, for having an image of
the prophet.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > I just do what I do and I never worry about an afterlife.
> > If there *is* a god and some "judgement" later on, I'll
> > stand on my lifestyle. I won't "grovel at his feet,"
> > I'll look him in the eye and shake his hand and say,
> > "Damn...so you are for real"
>
> You may live your life being kind and generous to people, but that is
> not good enough for some religious people. Some might want to stone you
> to death for eating pork, for exposing your ankle or wrist, for not
> attending services and be seen praying publicly, for having an image of
> the prophet.

Yep. That's the entire problem with human interpreted religion.
No tolerance at all. "My way is the only right way."

On 2020-10-17 11:45 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> I just do what I do and I never worry about an afterlife.
>>> If there *is* a god and some "judgement" later on, I'll
>>> stand on my lifestyle. I won't "grovel at his feet,"
>>> I'll look him in the eye and shake his hand and say,
>>> "Damn...so you are for real"
>>
>> You may live your life being kind and generous to people, but that is
>> not good enough for some religious people. Some might want to stone you
>> to death for eating pork, for exposing your ankle or wrist, for not
>> attending services and be seen praying publicly, for having an image of
>> the prophet.
>
> Yep. That's the entire problem with human interpreted religion.
> No tolerance at all. "My way is the only right way."
>


They have no physical proof of the things they believe and it becomes a
matter of faith, accepting it because no can convince them otherwise,
not to mention the indoctrination and coercion. They pretty much force
people to go along with and there good vs. evil, us vs. them mentality.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 07:49:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
>> > power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.
>>
>> Only your self-respect, if you are convinced that humans
>> evolved to need to believe in gods and invented the whole
>> concept because they're afraid.
>
>Pfffft. I live my life as a nice person. I know what's
>right and wrong to do. I do not believe in any of the
>religious interpretations or stories. I do not obey any
>of the religious rules because of "going to hell" if
>you don't.
>
>I just do what I do and I never worry about an afterlife.
>If there *is* a god and some "judgement" later on, I'll
>stand on my lifestyle. I won't "grovel at his feet,"
>I'll look him in the eye and shake his hand and say,
>"Damn...so you are for real"
>
>If I'm not good enough to "go to heaven" what ever that is,
>so be it. And if dying is just being dead, no worries.
>
>Bottom line, I never think about religion until it's
>brought to my attention. This worries the heck out of
>my bible belt mom. All of those people are obscessed
>with religion and only their version of it. All other
>concepts are doomed.

I figure if I'm wrong and there is this afterlife, then I shall go to
hell and meet up with 9/10s of my friends, in all my life I have only
known two (and they did not profess to be Christian) who lived what I
would think would be the epitome of how christians should live.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 07:49:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
>> > power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.
>>
>> Only your self-respect, if you are convinced that humans
>> evolved to need to believe in gods and invented the whole
>> concept because they're afraid.
>
>Pfffft. I live my life as a nice person. I know what's
>right and wrong to do. I do not believe in any of the
>religious interpretations or stories. I do not obey any
>of the religious rules because of "going to hell" if
>you don't.

But what if the Muslims are right and the surest way to heaven is to
blow up as many non-Muslims as you can?

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 07:49:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> I suspect she was joking but like me, do believe in a higher
>>>> power of some kind. And why not? You can't lose that way.
>>>
>>> Only your self-respect, if you are convinced that humans
>>> evolved to need to believe in gods and invented the whole
>>> concept because they're afraid.
>>
>> Pfffft. I live my life as a nice person. I know what's
>> right and wrong to do. I do not believe in any of the
>> religious interpretations or stories. I do not obey any
>> of the religious rules because of "going to hell" if
>> you don't.
>
> But what if the Muslims are right and the surest way to heaven is to
> blow up as many non-Muslims as you can?
>

Is it true that the dutch get 72 butts to sniff in heaven if they
die while whining about americans?

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:13:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> You have a point there, to say you believe is sufficient. It accounts
>> for why all these moralising Christians who believe like Bakker et al
>> behave in unacceptable ways while proclaiming they give their all to
>> their god.
>
>They are mostly just phonys following the money trail.
>
>Worldwide seems to be a belief in a "higher power." There's
>always that common tread but different interpretations vary
>greatly and often very oddly.
>
>I don't believe in anything any preacher, priest, monk,
>whatever says. I just live a good life and if that's
>not good enough to a higher power, so be it.
>
>Many religious leaders/preachers are after the money and
>the power it gives them. None of that nonsense for me.
>I ignore them all.
>
>Here's a funny: My mom is 89 now and doesn't want to
>die until I'm "saved." I think I've discovered the
>"fountain of youth" here (for her). heheh

We'll discover the truth when the ETs arrive, and it seems we may know
relatively soon. I think they've already scoped us out eons ago and
decided that we are far too insignificent to bother with.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:58:47 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:13:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>
>>> You have a point there, to say you believe is sufficient. It accounts
>>> for why all these moralising Christians who believe like Bakker et al
>>> behave in unacceptable ways while proclaiming they give their all to
>>> their god.
>>
>>They are mostly just phonys following the money trail.
>>
>>Worldwide seems to be a belief in a "higher power." There's
>>always that common tread but different interpretations vary
>>greatly and often very oddly.
>>
>>I don't believe in anything any preacher, priest, monk,
>>whatever says. I just live a good life and if that's
>>not good enough to a higher power, so be it.
>>
>>Many religious leaders/preachers are after the money and
>>the power it gives them. None of that nonsense for me.
>>I ignore them all.
>>
>>Here's a funny: My mom is 89 now and doesn't want to
>>die until I'm "saved." I think I've discovered the
>>"fountain of youth" here (for her). heheh
>
>We'll discover the truth when the ETs arrive, and it seems we may know
>relatively soon. I think they've already scoped us out eons ago and
>decided that we are far too insignificent to bother with.

I think that the moment they notice the New York delis, they'll land
here.