Bruce wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >I thought people weren't allowed to move? (oh wait, can't be evicted).
> >You've always complained about drug dealers in your neighborhood.
>
> I wonder if that's also a big problem in gated communities.

Only if a member of the drug gang got a job as a gate guard.
That would work.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 6:12:41 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > Gloves are a personal choice in every state. Besides, stupid, don't you
> >> > think your hands are spreading germs when you pick up and item?
> >>
> >> If we pick up an item, we are supposed to buy it. We are not supposed to
> >> look at something and then put it back. If we decide not to take an item ast
> >> the check out stand. they can not put it back on the shrlf. I know people
> >> violate. In fact they hsve proven that the virus is not likely spread from
> >> touching things. Food handlers are required to wear gloves. Some of the
> >> cashiers at Walmart wear them but they always have. It was never suggested
> >> thst the rest of us wear them.
> >> >>
> >Yet a.n.o.t.h.e.r. l.i.e. Don't you get tired of just outright lying?
> >You are going to burn in Hell with the number of lies you consistently
> >tell.
>
> If I believed in hell, I'd be more worried about you, considering how
> you act here. What Julie says doesn't hurt anybody.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Do us all a favor, stick your head in your oven. Pronto.
>
> Straight to hell.

"First class ticket on the train to Hell"
I don't quite understand Joan's furious hatred of Julie.
She spits venom all over her keyboard and monitor when she
writes.

writes:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> > A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
>> > the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
>> > across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
>> > won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
>>
>> Thanks. Now I know what to avoid doing. If my entire yard were
>clover (or creeping
>> Charlie), I would be very happy.
>
>I had a yard full of clover and regular grass mixed. It looked
>very nice and soft to walk on barefoot. Why would anyone want
>to get rid of clover???

and bonus! bees love the flowers

cshenk wrote:
> Businesses are private property and can mandate 'no mask, no entry'.
> ADA has no play this time, at least here. Same as 'no shoes, no shirt,
> no entry'.

Amusing. Many stores for years had a sign that forbid wearing
a mask inside (usually near Halloween time).

Now they all require a mask to come inside.

This is a great time for robbers. Dream come true.

This time last year, if you walked into a bank wearing a mask
all the tellers would push their silent alarm buttons.
Now you can't get in one without a mask and an appointment.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> Even the best N95 masks are not fail safe. They were never
> intended to protect from a virus. However, they certainly
> do help so no need to shun them. They are not worthless.
> It's the best defense we have right now.
>
> ====
>
> I read that they are not to protect us, but to protect others
> from us ! Who knows? I don't, but I always wear mine anyway!

The masks are to protect both...you and others. It's a double
protection factor if everyone wears one. Not the ones with
the little exhale button on front.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> Even the best N95 masks are not fail safe. They were never
> intended to protect from a virus. However, they certainly
> do help so no need to shun them. They are not worthless.
> It's the best defense we have right now.
>
> ====
>
> I read that they are not to protect us, but to protect others
> from us ! Who knows? I don't, but I always wear mine anyway!

The masks are to protect both...you and others. It's a double
protection factor if everyone wears one. Not the ones with
the little exhale button on front.

===

I don't have those. I was never very happy with them but I didn't really
know why!

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:38:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-08-24 10:11 p.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2020-08-24 7:37 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>> do you even understand what the restrictions are for? Why we have
>>>> them?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's a control thing by our Governor.
>>
>> Gawd, woman! Haven't you heard? There's a pandemic raging that has
>> killed close to 180,000 people in the USA and you think it's a
>> conspiracy?
>> You really are an idiot!
>
>We have known that for years. She keeps giving us more evidence.

One would think you had something more important on your mind than
your usual petty bitching. But noooooo...

===

Isn't that the truth!

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
> > the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
> > across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
> > won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
>
> Thanks. Now I know what to avoid doing. If my entire yard were clover
> (or creeping
> Charlie), I would be very happy.

I had a yard full of clover and regular grass mixed. It looked
very nice and soft to walk on barefoot. Why would anyone want
to get rid of clover???

===

Not me, but it seems I am allowed anyway))

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 8:04:54 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "Bruce" wrote:
>> > > "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> > >> But I wouldn't live in a gated community. For one thing, I
>> > >>couldn't afford it. For another, you're not allowed much freedom.Too many
>> > >>rules to comply to.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, for one thing, they check how often you mow your grass.
>> >
>> > And what's in the grass. There is a community near here where you can't have
>> > clover.
>> No clover allowed in yards? Now that's funny.
>> I guess they have no bees either. Honey bees and bumble kids
>> love to collect clover pollen.
>>
>> That must be a pollen thing...nothing to do with any virus.
>>
>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
>
>Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
>Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
>my yard.
>
>However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
>improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Buy a cow... Canada geese will eat acres of clover

"Gary" wrote in message ...

cshenk wrote:
> Hehehe Blue gatoraide can send you into a panic attack but it's just
> the food dye that turns your toilet brilliant green.

That really did happen to me once but not from Gatorade.

One day at the grocery store, I saw a large box of
Froot Loops cereal on sale. Hadn't had that in like
30 years and (impulse buy) I bought one. It just
sounded good. Also bought fresh milk.

Anyway, once at home, I had large bowl for lunch, my first
meal of the day. So tasty, I had another. Later in the
day, had one for a snack...then dinner later and on and on.

Ended up eating the entire box that day and nothing else.
That got the odd craving out of my system. Haven't had any
since then.

Next morning came my regular morning poop.
Didn't consider what I had eaten the day before but I
totally freaked out when my toilet had very bright green
turds...almost glow in the dark green ones.

WTH? I panicked and ran right to the computer and googled
"green feces." Big mistake. I read about some rare and
deadly condition that caused that.

I was in a panic all morning until it dawned on me about
all the dyes in Fruit Loops. Maybe that's it? I still worried
until the next morning until "things" all back to normal brown
again. WHEW!

===

LOLOL

"Ophelia" wrote in message ...



"Bruce" wrote in message news
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:34:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Ha There will not be an effective vaccine. I do understand the social
>>>distancing although I'm not sure that's effective. I don't understand why
>>>most large stores are allowed to be open, but smaller ones can not be.
>>>There
>>>is likely to be less customers in a small store. I don't understand why
>>>we
>>>could mow our own lawns, but not someone else's lawn for pay. That can be
>>>done totally contactless. I don't understand why nail salons and tattoo
>>>parlors are considered essential businesses. Too much of what they did
>>>here
>>>and are still doing, makes no sense.
>>
>> You can always disagree about the details of the measures. For
>> instance, I don't understand why they'd say, at some stage, that you
>> can't throw a party for 30 people at your house, but 10 is ok. 30
>> infected people is worse than 10, but why would they even want 10?
>
>Right. Or that people who live in your house are okay. But if they don't,
>you need to stay away from them.

You can't ask people to stay away from people they live in one house
with, but you can ask them to keep a distance from everybody else.

====

Here, along with many other oddities, no one is allowed in a pub garden
but not in a pub etc etc etc!

==

LOL sorry ... we are allowed IN a pub)))

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 6:12:41 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > Gloves are a personal choice in every state. Besides, stupid, don't
> >> > you
> >> > think your hands are spreading germs when you pick up and item?
> >>
> >> If we pick up an item, we are supposed to buy it. We are not supposed
> >> to
> >> look at something and then put it back. If we decide not to take an
> >> item ast
> >> the check out stand. they can not put it back on the shrlf. I know
> >> people
> >> violate. In fact they hsve proven that the virus is not likely spread
> >> from
> >> touching things. Food handlers are required to wear gloves. Some of the
> >> cashiers at Walmart wear them but they always have. It was never
> >> suggested
> >> thst the rest of us wear them.
> >> >>
> >Yet a.n.o.t.h.e.r. l.i.e. Don't you get tired of just outright lying?
> >You are going to burn in Hell with the number of lies you consistently
> >tell.
>
> If I believed in hell, I'd be more worried about you, considering how
> you act here. What Julie says doesn't hurt anybody.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Do us all a favor, stick your head in your oven. Pronto.
>
> Straight to hell.

"First class ticket on the train to Hell"
I don't quite understand Joan's furious hatred of Julie.
She spits venom all over her keyboard and monitor when she
writes.

===

All I can think of she is jealous of her! Why in the world does she
care so much!!!!

She does that to me too! Not sure why! Not that I care LOL

She is a real saddo!

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
> >> > the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
> >> > across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
> >> > won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
> >>
> >> Thanks. Now I know what to avoid doing. If my entire yard were
> >clover (or creeping
> >> Charlie), I would be very happy.
> >
> >I had a yard full of clover and regular grass mixed. It looked
> >very nice and soft to walk on barefoot. Why would anyone want
> >to get rid of clover???
> and bonus! bees love the flowers

Yes, I always feel a little guilty when I mow while the clover is blooming. But
there are always a few blossoms left and my neighbors don't seem to mow
their lawn as frequently so the bees can go there.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 12:33:57 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 8:04:54 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Bruce" wrote:
> >> > > "Julie Bove" wrote:
> >> > >> But I wouldn't live in a gated community. For one thing, I
> >> > >>couldn't afford it. For another, you're not allowed much freedom.Too many
> >> > >>rules to comply to.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, for one thing, they check how often you mow your grass.
> >> >
> >> > And what's in the grass. There is a community near here where you can't have
> >> > clover.
> >> No clover allowed in yards? Now that's funny.
> >> I guess they have no bees either. Honey bees and bumble kids
> >> love to collect clover pollen.
> >>
> >> That must be a pollen thing...nothing to do with any virus.
> >>
> >> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
> >> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
> >
> >Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
> >Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
> >my yard.
> >
> >However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
> >improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> Buy a cow... Canada geese will eat acres of clover

In 20 years in this house, I've only seen Canada geese in the yard once. It
looked like they were conducting a flight school for the young geese.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:47:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:10:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/24/2020 1:36 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:02:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:07:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>> Our diet has changed. Because I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>> once every two weeks,
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> We covered your "I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>> once every two weeks" here, in rfc, many months ago. You may shop
>>>>> whenever you want to, no one is checking on you. I know that you are
>>>>> going out of your home for other reasons more than once every two
>>>>> weeks. You don't get it -- it is advised that you limit your travel
>>>>> from one place to another unless necessary. It has nothing to do with
>>>>> food shopping.
>>>>
>>>> We are supposed to do the right thing. *I* eo not feel free to shop
>>>> whenever
>>>> I want .Do you listen to Governor Inslee? I can't see why you would as
>>>> he's
>>>> not your Governor. I don't know what you asre told to do or not to do
>>>> where
>>>> you live. I don't keep up with every state. I have no reason to.
>>>>
>>>>> Julie, you have the same shopping opportunities that others in the
>>>>> Pacific Northwest do. There is no food shortage now. You can find
>>>>> all varieties of raw, fresh meat and all goods now just as you could
>>>>> before Covid-19.
>>>>
>>>> Not at the stores I shop at. I know what's there and what's not. I don't
>>>> eat
>>>> ham or pork unless it's bacon. I don't eat meat with salt water added. I
>>>> won't buy giant packages. You don't know what's in my stores. You don't
>>>> shop
>>>> here!
>>>>
>>>> And no I *can't* find all goods. The Walmart Neighborhood Market had no
>>>> laundry soap or cleaning products of any kind except for toilet bowl and
>>>> glass cleaner the last time I was there. They had no one ply toilet
>>>> paper.
>>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.
>>>> They are often out of the canned goods I want, the pasta sauce, no paper
>>>> towels of any kind. And yes, they are still rationing paper and cleaning
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>>> You are sounding silly
>>>>
>>>> No. You are sounding silly as you seem to think every city in the PNW is
>>>> the
>>>> same. They're not.
>>>
>>> I am sorry for you.
>>>
>>She creates her own problems.
>>
>>Jill
>
>the only place her problems exist is in her own mind as she scrambles
>to fix any loopholes in her insurmountable woes.
>Janet US
>
>====
>
> Why does it bother you so much. You have changed, and not for the
>better!!!
>
> It seems that Julie and John are the constant targets! If they had done
>something bad to you I could understand it, but I don't think so.
>
> You could just stop reading them or is that beyond your control? And I
>thought you were one of the clever ones here and I have always respected
>you
>
> Yes, I know others do it too, but I they are dim and I expect it from
>them ... but not you!!!

why don't you just go back and read the whole thing from the
beginning.

q

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:47:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:10:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/24/2020 1:36 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:02:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:07:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>> Our diet has changed. Because I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>> once every two weeks,
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> We covered your "I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>> once every two weeks" here, in rfc, many months ago. You may shop
>>>>> whenever you want to, no one is checking on you. I know that you are
>>>>> going out of your home for other reasons more than once every two
>>>>> weeks. You don't get it -- it is advised that you limit your travel
>>>>> from one place to another unless necessary. It has nothing to do with
>>>>> food shopping.
>>>>
>>>> We are supposed to do the right thing. *I* eo not feel free to shop
>>>> whenever
>>>> I want .Do you listen to Governor Inslee? I can't see why you would as
>>>> he's
>>>> not your Governor. I don't know what you asre told to do or not to do
>>>> where
>>>> you live. I don't keep up with every state. I have no reason to.
>>>>
>>>>> Julie, you have the same shopping opportunities that others in the
>>>>> Pacific Northwest do. There is no food shortage now. You can find
>>>>> all varieties of raw, fresh meat and all goods now just as you could
>>>>> before Covid-19.
>>>>
>>>> Not at the stores I shop at. I know what's there and what's not. I
>>>> don't
>>>> eat
>>>> ham or pork unless it's bacon. I don't eat meat with salt water added.
>>>> I
>>>> won't buy giant packages. You don't know what's in my stores. You don't
>>>> shop
>>>> here!
>>>>
>>>> And no I *can't* find all goods. The Walmart Neighborhood Market had no
>>>> laundry soap or cleaning products of any kind except for toilet bowl
>>>> and
>>>> glass cleaner the last time I was there. They had no one ply toilet
>>>> paper.
>>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.
>>>> They are often out of the canned goods I want, the pasta sauce, no
>>>> paper
>>>> towels of any kind. And yes, they are still rationing paper and
>>>> cleaning
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>>> You are sounding silly
>>>>
>>>> No. You are sounding silly as you seem to think every city in the PNW
>>>> is
>>>> the
>>>> same. They're not.
>>>
>>> I am sorry for you.
>>>
>>She creates her own problems.
>>
>>Jill
>
>the only place her problems exist is in her own mind as she scrambles
>to fix any loopholes in her insurmountable woes.
>Janet US
>
>====
>
> Why does it bother you so much. You have changed, and not for the
>better!!!
>
> It seems that Julie and John are the constant targets! If they had done
>something bad to you I could understand it, but I don't think so.
>
> You could just stop reading them or is that beyond your control? And I
>thought you were one of the clever ones here and I have always respected
>you
>
> Yes, I know others do it too, but I they are dim and I expect it from
>them ... but not you!!!

why don't you just go back and read the whole thing from the
beginning.

====

Oh I did. But what will change???

On 8/25/2020 10:13 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:47:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:10:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/24/2020 1:36 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:02:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:07:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>> Our diet has changed. Because I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>>> once every two weeks,
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We covered your "I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>> once every two weeks" here, in rfc, many months ago. You may shop
>>>>>> whenever you want to, no one is checking on you. I know that you are
>>>>>> going out of your home for other reasons more than once every two
>>>>>> weeks. You don't get it -- it is advised that you limit your travel
>>>>>> from one place to another unless necessary. It has nothing to do with
>>>>>> food shopping.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are supposed to do the right thing. *I* eo not feel free to shop
>>>>> whenever
>>>>> I want .Do you listen to Governor Inslee? I can't see why you would as
>>>>> he's
>>>>> not your Governor. I don't know what you asre told to do or not to do
>>>>> where
>>>>> you live. I don't keep up with every state. I have no reason to.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie, you have the same shopping opportunities that others in the
>>>>>> Pacific Northwest do. There is no food shortage now. You can find
>>>>>> all varieties of raw, fresh meat and all goods now just as you could
>>>>>> before Covid-19.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at the stores I shop at. I know what's there and what's not. I don't
>>>>> eat
>>>>> ham or pork unless it's bacon. I don't eat meat with salt water added. I
>>>>> won't buy giant packages. You don't know what's in my stores. You don't
>>>>> shop
>>>>> here!
>>>>>
>>>>> And no I *can't* find all goods. The Walmart Neighborhood Market had no
>>>>> laundry soap or cleaning products of any kind except for toilet bowl and
>>>>> glass cleaner the last time I was there. They had no one ply toilet
>>>>> paper.
>>>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.
>>>>> They are often out of the canned goods I want, the pasta sauce, no paper
>>>>> towels of any kind. And yes, they are still rationing paper and cleaning
>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are sounding silly
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You are sounding silly as you seem to think every city in the PNW is
>>>>> the
>>>>> same. They're not.
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry for you.
>>>>
>>> She creates her own problems.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> the only place her problems exist is in her own mind as she scrambles
>> to fix any loopholes in her insurmountable woes.
>> Janet US
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Why does it bother you so much. You have changed, and not for the
>> better!!!
>>
>> It seems that Julie and John are the constant targets! If they had done
>> something bad to you I could understand it, but I don't think so.
>>
>> You could just stop reading them or is that beyond your control? And I
>> thought you were one of the clever ones here and I have always respected
>> you
>>
>> Yes, I know others do it too, but I they are dim and I expect it from
>> them ... but not you!!!
>
> why don't you just go back and read the whole thing from the
> beginning.
>

Better to go back in time and skip reading any and all of it.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
>>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
>>
>> Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
>> Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
>> my yard.
>>
>> However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
>> improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
>>
>
>A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
>the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
>across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
>won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.

Be cautious or you may not have grass either, borax produces heat when
wet. I think it's best to thatch and overseed with a quality grass
blend. Don't mow too low, some good grasses grow dense and tall and
smother clover. Clover tends to thrive when people mow too low. Also
be careful amending with top soil and manure, most is not sterilized
and will contain all kinds of weed seeds including clover.

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 8/25/2020 10:13 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:47:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:10:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/24/2020 1:36 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:02:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:07:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>> Our diet has changed. Because I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>>> once every two weeks,
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We covered your "I'm only supposed to shop
>>>>>> once every two weeks" here, in rfc, many months ago. You may shop
>>>>>> whenever you want to, no one is checking on you. I know that you are
>>>>>> going out of your home for other reasons more than once every two
>>>>>> weeks. You don't get it -- it is advised that you limit your travel
>>>>>> from one place to another unless necessary. It has nothing to do
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> food shopping.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are supposed to do the right thing. *I* eo not feel free to shop
>>>>> whenever
>>>>> I want .Do you listen to Governor Inslee? I can't see why you would as
>>>>> he's
>>>>> not your Governor. I don't know what you asre told to do or not to do
>>>>> where
>>>>> you live. I don't keep up with every state. I have no reason to.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie, you have the same shopping opportunities that others in the
>>>>>> Pacific Northwest do. There is no food shortage now. You can find
>>>>>> all varieties of raw, fresh meat and all goods now just as you could
>>>>>> before Covid-19.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at the stores I shop at. I know what's there and what's not. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> eat
>>>>> ham or pork unless it's bacon. I don't eat meat with salt water added.
>>>>> I
>>>>> won't buy giant packages. You don't know what's in my stores. You
>>>>> don't
>>>>> shop
>>>>> here!
>>>>>
>>>>> And no I *can't* find all goods. The Walmart Neighborhood Market had
>>>>> no
>>>>> laundry soap or cleaning products of any kind except for toilet bowl
>>>>> and
>>>>> glass cleaner the last time I was there. They had no one ply toilet
>>>>> paper.
>>>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.
>>>>> They are often out of the canned goods I want, the pasta sauce, no
>>>>> paper
>>>>> towels of any kind. And yes, they are still rationing paper and
>>>>> cleaning
>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are sounding silly
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You are sounding silly as you seem to think every city in the PNW
>>>>> is
>>>>> the
>>>>> same. They're not.
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry for you.
>>>>
>>> She creates her own problems.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> the only place her problems exist is in her own mind as she scrambles
>> to fix any loopholes in her insurmountable woes.
>> Janet US
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Why does it bother you so much. You have changed, and not for the
>> better!!!
>>
>> It seems that Julie and John are the constant targets! If they had
>> done
>> something bad to you I could understand it, but I don't think so.
>>
>> You could just stop reading them or is that beyond your control? And I
>> thought you were one of the clever ones here and I have always respected
>> you
>>
>> Yes, I know others do it too, but I they are dim and I expect it from
>> them ... but not you!!!
>
> why don't you just go back and read the whole thing from the
> beginning.
>

Better to go back in time and skip reading any and all of it.

=====

I think so too! Someone is not thinking!!!

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:36:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news >
>On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:34:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ha There will not be an effective vaccine. I do understand the social
>>>>distancing although I'm not sure that's effective. I don't understand why
>>>>most large stores are allowed to be open, but smaller ones can not be.
>>>>There
>>>>is likely to be less customers in a small store. I don't understand why
>>>>we
>>>>could mow our own lawns, but not someone else's lawn for pay. That can be
>>>>done totally contactless. I don't understand why nail salons and tattoo
>>>>parlors are considered essential businesses. Too much of what they did
>>>>here
>>>>and are still doing, makes no sense.
>>>
>>> You can always disagree about the details of the measures. For
>>> instance, I don't understand why they'd say, at some stage, that you
>>> can't throw a party for 30 people at your house, but 10 is ok. 30
>>> infected people is worse than 10, but why would they even want 10?
>>
>>Right. Or that people who live in your house are okay. But if they don't,
>>you need to stay away from them.
>
>You can't ask people to stay away from people they live in one house
>with, but you can ask them to keep a distance from everybody else.
>
>====
>
> Here, along with many other oddities, no one is allowed in a pub garden
>but not in a pub etc etc etc!
>
>==
>
> LOL sorry ... we are allowed IN a pub)))

It doesn't always make a lot of sense. But we're avoiding the whole
pub anyway at the moment. All hospitality, actually. "Clusters" often
seem to start there.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
>>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
>>
>> Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
>> Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
>> my yard.
>>
>> However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
>> improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
>>
>
>A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
>the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
>across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
>won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.

And that's good because?

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:47:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 10:38:42 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
>> >> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
>> >
>> > Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
>> > Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
>> > my yard.
>> >
>> > However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
>> > improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
>> >
>> A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
>> the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
>> across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
>> won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
>
>Thanks. Now I know what to avoid doing. If my entire yard were clover (or creeping
>Charlie), I would be very happy.
>
>If I didn't mow, though, it would be a hellscape of thistles and black walnut trees.

We're just coming out of winter. The grass didn't grow much for a few
months, but all the weeds did. Thistles everywhere.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:06:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> >Trump is not all that, but he also isn't Biden. Once again,
>> >we have a choice of the lesser of two evils.
>>
>> Trump is a narcissistic moron.
>
>I guess it's true, "takes one to know one."
>You also just described yourself, pal.

I can't believe you can't see it.

>> I'd vote for Bush or Reagan if they
>> were up against Trump.
>
>So would I.
>
>> What did I just say?
>
>For a moment there, I thought there was hope for you yet.
>Reagan won a landslide victory in 1980, proved himself to
>be a good and effective president, then nailed the 1994
>re-election. IMO, the best one in my lifetime.

All Republican presidents are bad, but none are as bad as Trump.

>Funny how Biden is now seen as the great savior to the
>democrats. They didn't like him all that much 4 years
>ago and nominated Hillary of all people.

He only has to beat Trump. Then that nightmare is over. Although I'll
miss my favourite standup comedian. I love it when he starts
improvising. Then the idiot comes out in full glory

>Anyway, Biden (very predictably) chose a black woman
>as a running mate. Good political move.
>
>Still sad to me that none of the 3rd party candidates get
>news coverage at all and aren't even invited to the
>final debates any more.

Same here. The Greens get no media attention. It's a 2-party system.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:20:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 6:12:41 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> > Gloves are a personal choice in every state. Besides, stupid, don't you
>> >> > think your hands are spreading germs when you pick up and item?
>> >>
>> >> If we pick up an item, we are supposed to buy it. We are not supposed to
>> >> look at something and then put it back. If we decide not to take an item ast
>> >> the check out stand. they can not put it back on the shrlf. I know people
>> >> violate. In fact they hsve proven that the virus is not likely spread from
>> >> touching things. Food handlers are required to wear gloves. Some of the
>> >> cashiers at Walmart wear them but they always have. It was never suggested
>> >> thst the rest of us wear them.
>> >> >>
>> >Yet a.n.o.t.h.e.r. l.i.e. Don't you get tired of just outright lying?
>> >You are going to burn in Hell with the number of lies you consistently
>> >tell.
>>
>> If I believed in hell, I'd be more worried about you, considering how
>> you act here. What Julie says doesn't hurt anybody.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Do us all a favor, stick your head in your oven. Pronto.
>>
>> Straight to hell.
>
>"First class ticket on the train to Hell"
>I don't quite understand Joan's furious hatred of Julie.
>She spits venom all over her keyboard and monitor when she
>writes.

She must either hate herself or her life and she takes that out on
other people. Something like that, I guess.

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> > wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> > > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > >> > >> ...
> > >> > >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> > >> > > >>> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> > >> > >>>> ...
> > >> > >>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> > >> > starving >>>>> and the
> > >> > >>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> > >> > or >>>>> transported
> > >> > >>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> > will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> > >> > >>>>> here. People are fed up!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22..5
> > >> > million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
> > as >> > last year.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > >>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> > skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
> > around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> > vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > > What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> > >> > > to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> > >> > > from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> > >> > > pandemic like a vacation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> > >> > makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> > from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> > enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> > idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> > Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> > you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> > at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> > healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> > was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> > >> > > ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> > >> > > exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> > for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jill
> > >> >
> > >> > she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> > >>
> > >> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> > >> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> > realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> > lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> > every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> > All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> > only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> > progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> > He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> > he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> > >>
> > >> > Janet US
> > >>
> > >> --Bryan
> > >
> > > You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
> > > Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> > > owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> > > economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> > > handouts.
> >
> > So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> > Janet US
>
> Whoops! Sorry, yes.

It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.

Left wing means you're hopeful for the future and for a better life. The last few generation of Americans are mostly leftist - even radically so. They're angry that they never got the chances in life that the boomer had and want to set things straight. They're in for a tough fight because they're up against the rich and powerful but there's a lot more lefties around than righties.

My guess is that they'll take over America.

On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
>>> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
>>> as >> > last year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>
>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
>>>> handouts.
>>>
>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
>
> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.

RIDICULOUS!

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
>> > wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
>> > > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> > >> > >> ...
>> > >> > >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
>> > >> > > >>> wrote:
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > >>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> > >>>> ...
>> > >> > >>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
>> > >> > starving >>>>> and the
>> > >> > >>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
>> > >> > or >>>>> transported
>> > >> > >>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
>> > will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
>> > >> > >>>>> here. People are fed up!
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > >>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > >>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
>> > >> > million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
>> > as >> > last year.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > >>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
>> > skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
>> > around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > >>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
>> > vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > > What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
>> > >> > > to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
>> > >> > > from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
>> > >> > > pandemic like a vacation.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
>> > >> > makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
>> > from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
>> > enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
>> > idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
>> > Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
>> > you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
>> > at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
>> > healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
>> > was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
>> > >> > > ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
>> > >> > > exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
>> > for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Jill
>> > >> >
>> > >> > she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
>> > >>
>> > >> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
>> > >> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
>> > realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
>> > lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
>> > every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
>> > All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
>> > only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
>> > progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
>> > He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
>> > he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
>> > >>
>> > >> > Janet US
>> > >>
>> > >> --Bryan
>> > >
>> > > You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
>> > > Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
>> > > owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
>> > > economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
>> > > handouts.
>> >
>> > So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
>> > Janet US
>>
>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
>
>It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
>
>Left wing means you're hopeful for the future and for a better life. The last few generation of Americans are mostly leftist - even radically so. They're angry that they never got the chances in life that the boomer had and want to set things straight. They're in for a tough fight because they're up against the rich and powerful
but there's a lot more lefties around than righties.

The rich and the powerful... companies like Google for instance?

On 8/25/2020 11:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
>>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
>>>> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
>>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
>>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
>>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
>>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
>>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
>>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
>>>> as >> > last year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
>>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
>>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
>>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
>>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
>>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
>>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
>>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
>>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
>>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
>>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
>>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
>>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
>>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
>>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
>>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
>>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
>>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
>>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
>>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
>>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
>>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
>>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
>>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
>>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
>>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
>>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
>>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
>>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
>>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
>>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
>>>>> handouts.
>>>>
>>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
>>
>> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
>>
>> Left wing means you're hopeful for the future and for a better life. The last few generation of Americans are mostly leftist - even radically so. They're angry that they never got the chances in life that the boomer had and want to set things straight. They're in for a tough fight because they're up against the rich and powerful
> but there's a lot more lefties around than righties.
>
> The rich and the powerful... companies like Google for instance?
>


I think she was also referring to the rich Hollywood elites.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 8:56:39 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> >>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> >>> > >> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> >>>>>> > >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> >>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> >>>>>> or >>>>> transported
> >>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> >>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> >>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22..5
> >>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
> >>> as >> > last year.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> >>> skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
> >>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> >>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> >>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> >>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> >>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> >>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> >>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> >>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> >>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> >>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> >>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> >>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> >>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> >>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> >>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> >>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> >>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> >>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> >>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> >>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> >>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> >>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> >>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> >>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> >>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> >>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Janet US
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Bryan
> >>>>
> >>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
> >>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> >>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> >>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> >>>> handouts.
> >>>
> >>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> >>> Janet US
> >>
> >> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> >
> > It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear.. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
>
> RIDICULOUS!

Do you have any ideas of your own on the subject? Is your mind just a void and you get blown around by life reaching to stuff? Haven't you been listening to your fearful leader? What the hell is wrong with you people?

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> >> > wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> >> > > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> > >> > >> ...
> >> > >> > >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> >> > >> > > >>> wrote:
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > >>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> > >> > >>>> ...
> >> > >> > >>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> >> > >> > starving >>>>> and the
> >> > >> > >>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> >> > >> > or >>>>> transported
> >> > >> > >>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> >> > will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> >> > >> > >>>>> here. People are fed up!
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > >>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > >>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
> >> > >> > million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
> >> > as >> > last year.
> >> > >> > > > > >
> >> > >> > >>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> >> > skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
> >> > around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > >>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> >> > vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > > What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> >> > >> > > to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> >> > >> > > from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> >> > >> > > pandemic like a vacation.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> >> > >> > makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> >> > from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> >> > enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> >> > idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> >> > Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> >> > you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> >> > at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> >> > healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> >> > was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> >> > >> > > ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> >> > >> > > exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> >> > for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Jill
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> >> > >> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> >> > realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> >> > lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> >> > every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> >> > All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> >> > only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> >> > progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> >> > He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> >> > he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Janet US
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --Bryan
> >> > >
> >> > > You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
> >> > > Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> >> > > owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> >> > > economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> >> > > handouts.
> >> >
> >> > So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> >> > Janet US
> >>
> >> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> >
> >It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
> >
> >Left wing means you're hopeful for the future and for a better life. The last few generation of Americans are mostly leftist - even radically so. They're angry that they never got the chances in life that the boomer had and want to set things straight. They're in for a tough fight because they're up against the rich and powerful
> but there's a lot more lefties around than righties.
>
> The rich and the powerful... companies like Google for instance?

No, not Google. Microsoft.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:56:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
>>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
>>>> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
>>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
>>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
>>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
>>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
>>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
>>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
>>>> as >> > last year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
>>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
>>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
>>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
>>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
>>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
>>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
>>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
>>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
>>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
>>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
>>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
>>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
>>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
>>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
>>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
>>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
>>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
>>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
>>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
>>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
>>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
>>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
>>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
>>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
>>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
>>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
>>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
>>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
>>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
>>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
>>>>> handouts.
>>>>
>>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
>>
>> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
>
>RIDICULOUS!

He's right. Right-wing also means destroying the planet to make an
extra buck.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 9:22:21 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:56:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
> >On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> >>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> >>>> > >> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> >>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> >>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> >>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> >>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> >>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Â*i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving..
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Â*around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
> >>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year.Â* pretty much the same
> >>>> as >> > last year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Â*the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> >>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either.Â* the usual chubby folks walking
> >>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> >>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> >>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> >>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> >>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> >>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> >>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> >>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> >>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> >>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> >>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> >>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> >>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> >>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> >>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> >>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> >>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> >>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> >>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> >>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> >>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> >>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> >>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> >>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> >>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> >>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Janet US
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Bryan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
> >>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> >>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> >>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> >>>>> handouts.
> >>>>
> >>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> >>>> Janet US
> >>>
> >>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> >>
> >> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
> >
> >RIDICULOUS!
>
> He's right. Right-wing also means destroying the planet to make an
> extra buck.

The rich and powerful know that fear is a powerful motivator of the MAGA minions. They don't care about how many Mexicans cross the Rio Grande. What they care about is that the fear of Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande can be exploited to make a shitload of cash.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/o...non-fraud.html

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 9:22:21 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:56:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> > >>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> > >>>> > >> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>> ...
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> > >>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> > >>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> > >>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> > >>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
> > >>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year. pretty much the same
> > >>>> as >> > last year.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> > >>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either. the usual chubby folks walking
> > >>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> > >>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> > >>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> > >>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> > >>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> > >>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> > >>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> > >>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> > >>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> > >>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> > >>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> > >>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> > >>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> > >>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> > >>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> > >>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> > >>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jill
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> > >>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> > >>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> > >>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> > >>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> > >>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> > >>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> > >>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> > >>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> > >>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Janet US
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --Bryan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing.
> > >>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> > >>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> > >>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> > >>>>> handouts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> > >>>> Janet US
> > >>>
> > >>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> > >>
> > >> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
> > >
> > >RIDICULOUS!
> >
> > He's right. Right-wing also means destroying the planet to make an
> > extra buck.
> The rich and powerful know that fear is a powerful motivator of the MAGA minions. They don't care about how many Mexicans cross the Rio Grande. What they care about is that the fear of Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande can be exploited to make a shitload of cash.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/o...non-fraud.html

Of course. If "they" really wanted to discourage illegal immigration, they'd go for the demand side rather than
the supply side. Put a few meat-processing executives in prison and they'll magically find jobs for legal
residents and turn away the illegals.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:52:38 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 9:22:21 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:56:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> > > >>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> > > >>>> > >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> > > >>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> > > >>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> > > >>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> > > >>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
> > > >>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year. pretty much the same
> > > >>>> as >> > last year.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> > > >>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either. the usual chubby folks walking
> > > >>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> > > >>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window..
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> > > >>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> > > >>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> > > >>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> > > >>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> > > >>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> > > >>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> > > >>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> > > >>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> > > >>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> > > >>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> > > >>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> > > >>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> > > >>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> > > >>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> > > >>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Jill
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> > > >>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> > > >>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> > > >>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> > > >>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> > > >>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> > > >>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> > > >>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> > > >>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> > > >>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Janet US
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --Bryan
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing..
> > > >>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> > > >>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> > > >>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> > > >>>>> handouts.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> > > >>>> Janet US
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
> > > >
> > > >RIDICULOUS!
> > >
> > > He's right. Right-wing also means destroying the planet to make an
> > > extra buck.
> > The rich and powerful know that fear is a powerful motivator of the MAGA minions. They don't care about how many Mexicans cross the Rio Grande. What they care about is that the fear of Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande can be exploited to make a shitload of cash.
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/o...non-fraud.html
>
> Of course. If "they" really wanted to discourage illegal
> immigration, they'd go for the demand side rather than
> the supply side. Put a few meat-processing executives
> in prison and they'll magically find jobs for legal
> residents and turn away the illegals.

That is 100% accurate.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan
who'd better restart his computer
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...57715636772967

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:34:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 9:22:21 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:56:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 8/25/2020 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > >>> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:40:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 7:47:45 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> > > >>>> wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:57:40 -0400, jmcquown
> > > >>>> > >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 8/23/2020 1:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:47:08 -0400, songbird
> > > >>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> when or if they'll be allowed to reopen. Many people are
> > > >>>>>>> starving >>>>> and the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> regulations are leading to stupidity. Crops can't be picked
> > > >>>>>>> or >>>>> transported
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> so the food is rotting while people are starving. There
> > > >>>> will >> > be a >>>>> revolt
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> here. People are fed up!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> i don't see anything in the news about anyone starving.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> around here they are saying they're going to harvest 22.5
> > > >>>>>>> million >>>> bushels of apples this year. pretty much the same
> > > >>>> as >> > last year.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the previous trips to the store i didn't see many more
> > > >>>> skinny >> > >>>> people either. the usual chubby folks walking
> > > >>>> around buying >> > junk >>>> food.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, the fast food hippos!
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I heard on the radio that people are treating this as a
> > > >>>> vacation >> > and on >> a vacation, all rules fly out the window..
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> What radio? If you're talking about people not being able to go
> > > >>>>>>>> to work, perhaps people are making the best of things working
> > > >>>>>>>> from home. They aren't starving. They aren't treating a
> > > >>>>>>>> pandemic like a vacation.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> This concept makes no sense to me. I hate eating crap food. it
> > > >>>>>>> makes me >> feel lousy, so I just don't eat it. I do get tacos
> > > >>>> from >> > time to time. >> No, not Taco Bell with their beef
> > > >>>> enhanced with >> > oats. Yick.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> No one is being forced to eat crappy food. Buy into Bruce's
> > > >>>> idea >> > > of a bunch of fat people eating crappy food and mention
> > > >>>> Taco Bell >> > > in the same breath, what does that say? I recall
> > > >>>> you mentioning >> > > buying nachos with cheese sauce when shopping
> > > >>>> at some place >> > > (Target? Walmart?) years ago. That's not
> > > >>>> healthy food yet you >> > > bought and ate it from whatever the place
> > > >>>> was waaaay before >> > > Covid-19 showed up.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> No wonder you didn't feel good if that's the kind of thing you
> > > >>>>>>>> ate every time you went shopping with Angela. You say you're
> > > >>>>>>>> exercising more now and losing weight. Good for you! Better
> > > >>>> for >> > > your diabetes and GERD and your overall health.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Jill
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> she listens to and buys into all the Right-Wing propaganda.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Women who are married to hardass, sexist men often adopt their
> > > >>>>>> politics and social views, and hang onto them even after they
> > > >>>> realize >> that the husbands were assholes, and get them out of their
> > > >>>> lives. My >> late sister, my much loved late sister, who was in
> > > >>>> every other way a >> great person, bought into that right-wing crap.
> > > >>>> All three of her >> offspring are progressives. The youngest, the
> > > >>>> only child of the >> right-wing asshole husband, is militant
> > > >>>> progressive to the point that >> he and I even have differences.
> > > >>>> He's a smart person, and a >> successful small business owner, but
> > > >>>> he's gung-ho anti Democratic >> Party establishment.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Janet US
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --Bryan
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You flip flop too much to follow here. Democrats are right wing..
> > > >>>>> Democrats are into 'how much free stuff can I get'. Most business
> > > >>>>> owners tend to republican leanings since they are more about the
> > > >>>>> economy and making a little bit of profit possible instead of free
> > > >>>>> handouts.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So sorry, but Republicans are the right wing.
> > > >>>> Janet US
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Whoops! Sorry, yes.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's pretty confusing. Right wing means you're mostly motivated by fear. Fear of the future. Fear that possessions/freedoms/way of life that you have are going to be taken away from you.
> > > >
> > > >RIDICULOUS!
> > >
> > > He's right. Right-wing also means destroying the planet to make an
> > > extra buck.
> > The rich and powerful know that fear is a powerful motivator of the MAGA minions. They don't care about how many Mexicans cross the Rio Grande. What they care about is that the fear of Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande can be exploited to make a shitload of cash.
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/o...non-fraud.html
>
> Of course. If "they" really wanted to discourage illegal immigration, they'd go for the demand side rather than
> the supply side. Put a few meat-processing executives in prison and they'll magically find jobs for legal
> residents and turn away the illegals.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Illegals will take jobs that Americans ain't interested in and they'll do it for lower pay. That's an attractive proposition for factory owners. All one has to do is to make the jobs a more attractive proposition for the workers. It'll probably involve higher overhead but that's just the breaks. It can be the new normal for the America of the future. No free ride for the consumer at the expense of the workers. If Americans want to have real meat instead of plant-based meat, they'll just have to pay for it.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 12:32:54 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
> >>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
> >>
> >> Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
> >> Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
> >> my yard.
> >>
> >> However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
> >> improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
> >>
> >
> >A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
> >the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
> >across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
> >won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
>
> Be cautious or you may not have grass either, borax produces heat when
> wet. I think it's best to thatch and overseed with a quality grass
> blend. Don't mow too low, some good grasses grow dense and tall and
> smother clover. Clover tends to thrive when people mow too low. Also
> be careful amending with top soil and manure, most is not sterilized
> and will contain all kinds of weed seeds including clover.

Why would anyone want to get rid of clover?

--Bryan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...57715636772967

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:35:29 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 12:32:54 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
> > >>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
> > >>
> > >> Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
> > >> Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
> > >> my yard.
> > >>
> > >> However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
> > >> improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
> > >>
> > >
> > >A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
> > >the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
> > >across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
> > >won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
> >
> > Be cautious or you may not have grass either, borax produces heat when
> > wet. I think it's best to thatch and overseed with a quality grass
> > blend. Don't mow too low, some good grasses grow dense and tall and
> > smother clover. Clover tends to thrive when people mow too low. Also
> > be careful amending with top soil and manure, most is not sterilized
> > and will contain all kinds of weed seeds including clover.
> Why would anyone want to get rid of clover?

I don't know. It's a great lawn plant. There's nothing worse than an endless
sea of Kentucky Bluegrass, supported by chemicals and sprinklers.

It started with a mention of a place that prohibits lawns to have clover. Somewhere
in Washington State, IIRC. I don't know if it's a municipality or an HOA.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:35:29 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 12:32:54 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 2020-08-25 8:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> How does one get rid of clover in their yard? Is that on
> > > >>> the weed list of Roundup weed killer?
> > > >>
> > > >> Roundup would also kill any grass. The usual broadleaf weed killers would do it.
> > > >> Those "weed and feed" chemicals that Chemlawn keeps offering to put on
> > > >> my yard.
> > > >>
> > > >> However, clover is a sign that your soil is poor. Clover also fixes nitrogen, thus
> > > >> improving the soil. Before chemical fertilizers, clover was prized for this ability.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >A much cheaper treatment is Borax. Get a half dozen boxes, available in
> > > >the laundry detergeent department of the grocery store. Scatter it
> > > >across the lawn. if clover is still there, apply a second layer. You
> > > >won't have clover there for at lest 10 years.
> > >
> > > Be cautious or you may not have grass either, borax produces heat when
> > > wet. I think it's best to thatch and overseed with a quality grass
> > > blend. Don't mow too low, some good grasses grow dense and tall and
> > > smother clover. Clover tends to thrive when people mow too low. Also
> > > be careful amending with top soil and manure, most is not sterilized
> > > and will contain all kinds of weed seeds including clover.
> > Why would anyone want to get rid of clover?
>
> I don't know. It's a great lawn plant. There's nothing worse than an endless
> sea of Kentucky Bluegrass, supported by chemicals and sprinklers.
>
> It started with a mention of a place that prohibits lawns to have clover. Somewhere
> in Washington State, IIRC. I don't know if it's a municipality or an HOA.

What out front yard doesn't have is grass. I between the various flowers is a sea of violets. My wife pulled every blade of grass and nurtured the violets.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...57715636772967

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:23:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>>>> They had no one ply toilet
>>>> paper.
>>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.

You know, you can take 2-ply toilet paper and kinda peel off the top
section to make 1-ply. Or you can just use half as much.

Doris

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:51:58 PM UTC-5, Doris Night wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:23:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >>>> They had no one ply toilet
> >>>> paper.
> >>>> I can only use one ply. Anything else clogs the toilet.
>
> You know, you can take 2-ply toilet paper and kinda peel off the top
> section to make 1-ply. Or you can just use half as much.

You can't actually believe that 2-ply tissue clogs her toilet.
>
> Doris

--Bryan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...57715636772967