On 5/19/2020 4:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-19 3:15 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/17/2020 4:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I think what you are trying hard to wrap your head around is that I
>>> described what laundry day used to be like, that it was an all day
>>> job, not just sticking a load in and then watching soap operas until
>>> the load was done,Â* and then there is your recognition of what it was
>>> like when there were automatic washing machines and televisions
>>> airing melodramas aimed at the female audience and they are called
>>> soap operas.Â* I won't deny that.
>>
>> I do believe you also once said that if, after you retired, you found
>> yourself watching soap operas all day you'd shoot yourself.Â* You've
>> managed to keep plenty busy.
>
> You're close Jill. I had said that if I every found myself watching
> Jerry Springer on day time TV I would have to go out and get a job.Â* It
> will be 16 years next month and I have not had to look for work.Â* I do
> occasionally watch the news, You Gotta Eat here or Diners Drive-ins and
> Dives while I have lunch.Â* There was an exceptionally cold spell where
> were stayed in and binge watched 24 and.Â* Then there was a couple months
> of recovery from heart surgery where I watched a lot of movies.
>
I stand corrected. Jerry Springer. Same same. LOL

Jill

On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>> when
>>>>> he goes out.Â* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>> tissues.Â* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>
>>> Ironing.Â* Heh.Â* You're a laugh riot.
>>>
>> I know, right?Â* Who bothers to iron napkins?Â* My mother probably did
>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>
>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.Â* It would save
>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>> would be insignificant.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.Â* For
>> dining, not blowing my nose!Â* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.Â* Paper towels are a waste
>> and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right now.Â* No
>> big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>
>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>
>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â* I did manage to buy a few boxes
>> of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper towels.
>> I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.Â* I don't want to think
>> about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.Â* I think I'd rather
>> look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.Â* My mother left a bag full
>> of cloth scraps.Â* Alledgely for using as dust rags and polishing rags.
>>
>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag". Â* They've
>> been sitting there for who knows how long.Â* They're clean, but of
>> course I'd wash them first.
>>
>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how much
>> you could buy of anything paper.Â* Looks like I'm going to have to make
>> due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a re-stocking
>> of TP down here.Â* Seems like the supply chain has been cut off a bit.
>> Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>
>> Damned Covid-19.Â* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the middle
>> of a toilet paper shortage.Â* Not even when preparing for a hurricane.
>> Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and suddenly the
>> stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.Â* This is totally different.
>> People are panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating masks
>> and money to help.Â* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?Â* How come I
>> can't find any?Â* I find it difficult to believe the small population
>> in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>
> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you can't
> flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>
I was planning on washing the cloths. Sure you can flush facial tissues.
>> Just have a problem with buying toilet paper right now.Â* This is
>> definitely an interesting time to be alive.
>
> We usually have a good supply on hand and my wife had picked some up at
> Costco just after this thing started up.Â* Then I was at Costco and
> grabbed some just in case.Â* That was more than a month ago and it is
> still out in the car.
>
Good for you! I can't find any.

Jill

On 2020-05-19 3:38 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> he goes out.Â* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>>> tissues.Â* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>>
>>>> Ironing.Â* Heh.Â* You're a laugh riot.
>>>>
>>> I know, right?Â* Who bothers to iron napkins?Â* My mother probably did
>>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>>
>>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.Â* It would save
>>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>>> would be insignificant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.Â* For
>>> dining, not blowing my nose!Â* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.Â* Paper towels are a
>>> waste and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right
>>> now.Â* No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>>
>>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>>
>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â* I did manage to buy a few
>>> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
>>> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.Â* I don't want
>>> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.Â* I think I'd
>>> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.Â* My mother left a
>>> bag full of cloth scraps.Â* Alledgely for using as dust rags and
>>> polishing rags.
>>>
>>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
>>> They've been sitting there for who knows how long.Â* They're clean,
>>> but of course I'd wash them first.
>>>
>>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how
>>> much you could buy of anything paper.Â* Looks like I'm going to have
>>> to make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
>>> re-stocking of TP down here.Â* Seems like the supply chain has been
>>> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>>
>>> Damned Covid-19.Â* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
>>> middle of a toilet paper shortage.Â* Not even when preparing for a
>>> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
>>> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.Â* This is
>>> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
>>> masks and money to help.Â* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?Â* How
>>> come I can't find any?Â* I find it difficult to believe the small
>>> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>>
>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>
> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial tissues.

You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.

On 2020-05-19 5:05 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 4:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-05-19 3:15 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2020 4:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I think what you are trying hard to wrap your head around is that I
>>>> described what laundry day used to be like, that it was an all day
>>>> job, not just sticking a load in and then watching soap operas until
>>>> the load was done,Â* and then there is your recognition of what it
>>>> was like when there were automatic washing machines and televisions
>>>> airing melodramas aimed at the female audience and they are called
>>>> soap operas.Â* I won't deny that.
>>>
>>> I do believe you also once said that if, after you retired, you found
>>> yourself watching soap operas all day you'd shoot yourself.Â* You've
>>> managed to keep plenty busy.
>>
>> You're close Jill. I had said that if I every found myself watching
>> Jerry Springer on day time TV I would have to go out and get a job.
>> It will be 16 years next month and I have not had to look for work.Â* I
>> do occasionally watch the news, You Gotta Eat here or Diners Drive-ins
>> and Dives while I have lunch.Â* There was an exceptionally cold spell
>> where were stayed in and binge watched 24 and.Â* Then there was a
>> couple months of recovery from heart surgery where I watched a lot of
>> movies.
>>
> I stand corrected.Â* Jerry Springer.Â* Same same. LOL
>

I confess that I was once channel surfing and stopped for a couple
minutes at Dr. Phil, where I learned that there are multiple episode
characters. One guy had been on about 5 times, all about marital
problems, cheating on his wife, hooking up with his son's girlfriend,
cheating on her..... Thank goodness there was a recap and I didn't have
to watch multiple episodes to get sucked into the vortex of dysfunction.

Yep, Dr. Phil apparently wasn't much better than Jerry Springer. He
just had a different persona for dispensing the same crap.

On 2020-05-19 5:38 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> he goes out.Â* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>>> tissues.Â* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>>
>>>> Ironing.Â* Heh.Â* You're a laugh riot.
>>>>
>>> I know, right?Â* Who bothers to iron napkins?Â* My mother probably did
>>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>>
>>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.Â* It would save
>>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>>> would be insignificant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.Â* For
>>> dining, not blowing my nose!Â* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.Â* Paper towels are a
>>> waste and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right
>>> now.Â* No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>>
>>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>>
>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â* I did manage to buy a few
>>> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
>>> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.Â* I don't want
>>> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.Â* I think I'd
>>> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.Â* My mother left a
>>> bag full of cloth scraps.Â* Alledgely for using as dust rags and
>>> polishing rags.
>>>
>>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
>>> They've been sitting there for who knows how long.Â* They're clean,
>>> but of course I'd wash them first.
>>>
>>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how
>>> much you could buy of anything paper.Â* Looks like I'm going to have
>>> to make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
>>> re-stocking of TP down here.Â* Seems like the supply chain has been
>>> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>>
>>> Damned Covid-19.Â* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
>>> middle of a toilet paper shortage.Â* Not even when preparing for a
>>> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
>>> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.Â* This is
>>> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
>>> masks and money to help.Â* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?Â* How
>>> come I can't find any?Â* I find it difficult to believe the small
>>> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>>
>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>
> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial tissues.


No. Kleenes and similar tissues and paper towels are not flushable.

Maybe you should invest in a hand held shower and use it as a bidet.

On 2020-05-19 5:42 p.m., graham wrote:

>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>
>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial tissues.
>
> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.

It will be a rude surprise and an expensive visit from the plumber when
the tissues clog her pipes.

On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:42:15 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2020-05-19 3:38 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> he goes out.* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>>>> tissues.* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ironing.* Heh.* You're a laugh riot.
>>>>>
>>>> I know, right?* Who bothers to iron napkins?* My mother probably did
>>>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.* It would save
>>>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>>>> would be insignificant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.* For
>>>> dining, not blowing my nose!* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>>>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.* Paper towels are a
>>>> waste and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right
>>>> now.* No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>>>
>>>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>>>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>>>
>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.* I was down to two rolls in each
>>>> bathroom.* Couldn't find TP anywhere.* I did manage to buy a few
>>>> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
>>>> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.* I don't want
>>>> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.* I think I'd
>>>> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.* My mother left a
>>>> bag full of cloth scraps.* Alledgely for using as dust rags and
>>>> polishing rags.
>>>>
>>>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
>>>> They've been sitting there for who knows how long.* They're clean,
>>>> but of course I'd wash them first.
>>>>
>>>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how
>>>> much you could buy of anything paper.* Looks like I'm going to have
>>>> to make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
>>>> re-stocking of TP down here.* Seems like the supply chain has been
>>>> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>>>
>>>> Damned Covid-19.* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
>>>> middle of a toilet paper shortage.* Not even when preparing for a
>>>> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
>>>> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.* This is
>>>> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>>>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
>>>> masks and money to help.* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?* How
>>>> come I can't find any?* I find it difficult to believe the small
>>>> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>>>
>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>
>> I was planning on washing the cloths.* Sure you can flush facial tissues.
>
>You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.

Those 'wipes' that claim to be flushable have played havoc in many
cities with the sewer systems.

On 5/19/2020 6:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-19 5:42 p.m., graham wrote:
>
>>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>>
>>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial
>>> tissues.
>>
>> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.
>
> It will be a rude surprise and an expensive visit from the plumber when
> theÂ* tissues clog her pipes.

You're the same guy who thinks I wrap tons of toilet paper around my
hand to wipe my behind. My pipes will be fine, thanks.

Jill

On 5/19/2020 6:37 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:42:15 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-05-19 3:38 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> he goes out.Â* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>>>>> tissues.Â* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ironing.Â* Heh.Â* You're a laugh riot.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know, right?Â* Who bothers to iron napkins?Â* My mother probably did
>>>>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.Â* It would save
>>>>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>>>>> would be insignificant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.Â* For
>>>>> dining, not blowing my nose!Â* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>>>>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.Â* Paper towels are a
>>>>> waste and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right
>>>>> now.Â* No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>>>>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â* I did manage to buy a few
>>>>> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
>>>>> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.Â* I don't want
>>>>> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.Â* I think I'd
>>>>> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.Â* My mother left a
>>>>> bag full of cloth scraps.Â* Alledgely for using as dust rags and
>>>>> polishing rags.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
>>>>> They've been sitting there for who knows how long.Â* They're clean,
>>>>> but of course I'd wash them first.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how
>>>>> much you could buy of anything paper.Â* Looks like I'm going to have
>>>>> to make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
>>>>> re-stocking of TP down here.Â* Seems like the supply chain has been
>>>>> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damned Covid-19.Â* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
>>>>> middle of a toilet paper shortage.Â* Not even when preparing for a
>>>>> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
>>>>> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.Â* This is
>>>>> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>>>>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
>>>>> masks and money to help.Â* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?Â* How
>>>>> come I can't find any?Â* I find it difficult to believe the small
>>>>> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>>>>
>>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>>
>>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial tissues.
>>
>> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.
>
> Those 'wipes' that claim to be flushable have played havoc in many
> cities with the sewer systems.
>
Not talking about "wipes". Kleenex. Gee, they make TP, too.

Jill

On 2020-05-19 7:23 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 6:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-05-19 5:42 p.m., graham wrote:
>>
>>>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>>>
>>>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial
>>>> tissues.
>>>
>>> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.
>>
>> It will be a rude surprise and an expensive visit from the plumber
>> when theÂ* tissues clog her pipes.
>
> You're the same guy who thinks I wrap tons of toilet paper around my
> hand to wipe my behind.Â* My pipes will be fine, thanks.

I challenge you to show me where I said that you do.
As for your pipes... I will reserve the right to say I told you so.

Ophelia:

My phone decided it doesnt want to
cooperate so:

You asked if I would go back to China.
Yes I would, I enjoyed seeing it and
Shanghai is a beautiful city. We lucked
out and had clear skies, a rarity.
However,
there are many other places I would
go before making a return trip. We went
to France last summer and Japan was on
my list.

Nellie

On 2020-05-19 7:24 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 6:37 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:42:15 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-05-19 3:38 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2020 4:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-05-19 4:30 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> he goes out.Â* In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>>>>>> tissues.Â* I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>>>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ironing.Â* Heh.Â* You're a laugh riot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know, right?Â* Who bothers to iron napkins?Â* My mother probably did
>>>>>> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins.Â* It would save
>>>>>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>>>>>> would be insignificant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins.Â* For
>>>>>> dining, not blowing my nose!Â* It's not like I make a huge mess when
>>>>>> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense.Â* Paper towels are a
>>>>>> waste and it really *is* getting hard to find paper products right
>>>>>> now.Â* No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
>>>>>> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â* I did manage to buy a few
>>>>>> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
>>>>>> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP.Â* I don't want
>>>>>> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP.Â* I think I'd
>>>>>> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room.Â* My mother left a
>>>>>> bag full of cloth scraps.Â* Alledgely for using as dust rags and
>>>>>> polishing rags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
>>>>>> They've been sitting there for who knows how long.Â* They're clean,
>>>>>> but of course I'd wash them first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how
>>>>>> much you could buy of anything paper.Â* Looks like I'm going to have
>>>>>> to make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
>>>>>> re-stocking of TP down here.Â* Seems like the supply chain has been
>>>>>> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damned Covid-19.Â* I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
>>>>>> middle of a toilet paper shortage.Â* Not even when preparing for a
>>>>>> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
>>>>>> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper.Â* This is
>>>>>> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain
>>>>>> disrupted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
>>>>>> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
>>>>>> masks and money to help.Â* Okay, but where is the toilet paper?Â* How
>>>>>> come I can't find any?Â* I find it difficult to believe the small
>>>>>> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>>>>>
>>>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your plumbing.
>>>>>
>>>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial
>>>> tissues.
>>>
>>> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.
>>
>> Those 'wipes' that claim to be flushable have played havoc in many
>> cities with the sewer systems.
>>
> Not talking about "wipes".Â* Kleenex.Â* Gee, they make TP, too.


Toilet paper is meant to disintegrate and to decompose quickly.

jmcquown wrote:

> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a
> > > > handkerchief when he goes out. In his case, though, it's a
> > > > bandanna.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels,
> > > the half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better
> > > than tissues. I also much prefer them to napkins at table
> > > settings... I think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and
> > > ironing.
> >
> > Ironing. Heh. You're a laugh riot.
> >
> I know, right? Who bothers to iron napkins? My mother probably did
> but she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>
> > I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins. It would save
> > money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
> > would be insignificant.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins. For
> dining, not blowing my nose! It's not like I make a huge mess when
> I'm eating so cloth napkins just make sense. Paper towels are a
> waste and it really is getting hard to find paper products right now.
> No big deal to toss the cloth napkins in the wash.
>
> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of
> elastic bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>
> I looked for toilet paper yesterday. I was down to two rolls in each
> bathroom. Couldn't find TP anywhere. I did manage to buy a few
> boxes of facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper
> towels. I'm going to be using the facial tissues as TP. I don't want
> to think about using the cheap rough paper towels as TP. I think I'd
> rather look in the "rag bag" in the laundry room. My mother left a
> bag full of cloth scraps. Alledgely for using as dust rags and
> polishing rags.
>
> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag".
> They've been sitting there for who knows how long. They're clean,
> but of course I'd wash them first.
>
> There was no TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how much
> you could buy of anything paper. Looks like I'm going to have to
> make due with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a
> re-stocking of TP down here. Seems like the supply chain has been
> cut off a bit. Or the demand is exhorbitant.
>
> Damned Covid-19. I surely never thought I'd find myself in the
> middle of a toilet paper shortage. Not even when preparing for a
> hurricane. Or back in west TN when there was the threat of snow and
> suddenly the stores ran out of milk and toilet paper. This is
> totally different. People are panicking and the supply chain
> disrupted.
>
> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how
> much they're doing to keep production going and they're donating
> masks and money to help. Okay, but where is the toilet paper? How
> come I can't find any? I find it difficult to believe the small
> population in this area have totally decimated your supply.
>
> The good thing is, I won't be running out of food. I always knew
> having a stand-alone freezer and stocking up the fridge and pantry
> was a good idea.
>
> Just have a problem with buying toilet paper right now. This is
> definitely an interesting time to be alive.
>
> Jill

TP is starting to show up again here. Me, I got some at Amazon that
was in stock. Interesting, made of bamboo (which sounds terrible but
then we make the regular stuff from trees...). Works fine!

We also have some 40 or so washcloths in an emergency (use once, wash).
Reason we have so many is I've been using them for ages in the kitchen
in place of sponges and paper towels for cleanup. Basically anyplace
the rest of you might use a sponge, I use a washcloth. Use once and
dump in laundry.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:56 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
> >>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.Â*
>
> Jill
>
You may have to be at the stores before 7:00 to find any. I think you said
there is not a Walmart near you but you may have to make an early morning
trip there as well.

I was at Lowe's Home Improvement a couple of weeks ago and even they were
stocking toilet paper.

On 5/19/2020 7:35 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-19 7:23 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/19/2020 6:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-19 5:42 p.m., graham wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You had better get some kind of container to put it in because you
>>>>>> can't flush tissues or paper towels.Â* That will clog up your
>>>>>> plumbing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was planning on washing the cloths.Â* Sure you can flush facial
>>>>> tissues.
>>>>
>>>> You are not supposed to! It does not break down like toilet paper.
>>>
>>> It will be a rude surprise and an expensive visit from the plumber
>>> when theÂ* tissues clog her pipes.
>>
>> You're the same guy who thinks I wrap tons of toilet paper around my
>> hand to wipe my behind.Â* My pipes will be fine, thanks.
>
> I challenge you to show me where I said that you do.
> As for your pipes... I will reserve the right to say I told you so.
>
Okay, you said lots of people do the wrap around the hand thing. It's
not as if I'm planning to use facial tissue for more than a few days.
Point is, THERE IS NO TP AVAILABLE in nearby stores. I sure as heck
don't want to have to use wet rags and have to rinse them out like I was
living on the Frontier with an outhouse.

Jill

On 5/19/2020 8:39 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:56 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> You may have to be at the stores before 7:00 to find any. I think you said
> there is not a Walmart near you but you may have to make an early morning
> trip there as well.
>
There is a Walmart. They didn't get their delivery. Seems none of the
stores did. The problem seems to be with the supply chain, because
according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
faster than ever!

> I was at Lowe's Home Improvement a couple of weeks ago and even they were
> stocking toilet paper.
>
I'm glad you can find it. This is the first time *ever* (even before
and after hurricanes and threats of snow in West TN) I've not been able
to find a few rolls of even cheap crappy toilet paper. We're living in
very strange times.

I hope to be able to find TP in the next few days. Wish me luck.

Jill

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 9:32:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I hope to be able to find TP in the next few days. Wish me luck.
>
> Jill
>
I do, I do! You may have to pack a sandwich to sustain your energy while
you're out searching. But I do hope you'll find a good supply everywhere.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief when
>>>> he goes out. In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>> tissues. I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>
>> Ironing. Heh. You're a laugh riot.
>>
> I know, right? Who bothers to iron napkins? My mother probably did but
> she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>
>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins. It would save
>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>> would be insignificant.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins. For dining,
> not blowing my nose! It's not like I make a huge mess when I'm eating so
> cloth napkins just make sense. Paper towels are a waste and it really
> *is* getting hard to find paper products right now. No big deal to toss
> the cloth napkins in the wash.
>
> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of elastic
> bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>
> I looked for toilet paper yesterday. I was down to two rolls in each
> bathroom. Couldn't find TP anywhere. I did manage to buy a few boxes of
> facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper towels. I'm
> going to be using the facial tissues as TP. I don't want to think about
> using the cheap rough paper towels as TP. I think I'd rather look in the
> "rag bag" in the laundry room. My mother left a bag full of cloth scraps.
> Alledgely for using as dust rags and polishing rags.
>
> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag". They've
> been sitting there for who knows how long. They're clean, but of course
> I'd wash them first.
>
> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how much you
> could buy of anything paper. Looks like I'm going to have to make due
> with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a re-stocking of TP
> down here. Seems like the supply chain has been cut off a bit. Or the
> demand is exhorbitant.
>
> Damned Covid-19. I surely never thought I'd find myself in the middle of
> a toilet paper shortage. Not even when preparing for a hurricane. Or back
> in west TN when there was the threat of snow and suddenly the stores ran
> out of milk and toilet paper. This is totally different. People are
> panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>
> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how much
> they're doing to keep production going and they're donating masks and
> money to help. Okay, but where is the toilet paper? How come I can't
> find any? I find it difficult to believe the small population in this
> area have totally decimated your supply.
>
> The good thing is, I won't be running out of food. I always knew having a
> stand-alone freezer and stocking up the fridge and pantry was a good idea.
>
>
> Just have a problem with buying toilet paper right now. This is
> definitely an interesting time to be alive.
>
> Jill

I can get paper products here now but they are being rationed. Still having
trouble with trash bags though.

I rarely need a napkin. I do stop for drive through tacos once in a while
and they always give me plenty of napkins so I just save those.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/19/2020 8:39 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:56 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
> >>>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> > You may have to be at the stores before 7:00 to find any. I think you said
> > there is not a Walmart near you but you may have to make an early morning
> > trip there as well.
> >
> There is a Walmart. They didn't get their delivery. Seems none of the
> stores did. The problem seems to be with the supply chain, because
> according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
> faster than ever!

You believe ads on television?

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
> > faster than ever!
>
> You believe ads on television?

Maybe not faster than ever but as fast as possible.

I've seen one of those ads and I sure do believe that they
are working to full capacity as best as they can.
Supply is low and demand is high. Naturally, a tp company
would *love* to make way more than they are capable right now.

As this high demand is only temporary, they won't build any
new factories though. I'll bet stock in any corporation
that makes TP has soared. Any people that invested in such
a corporation even 6 months ago probably made an investment
killing by selling out recently.

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Ophelia:

My phone decided it doesnt want to
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You asked if I would go back to China.
Yes I would, I enjoyed seeing it and
Shanghai is a beautiful city. We lucked
out and had clear skies, a rarity.
However,
there are many other places I would
go before making a return trip. We went
to France last summer and Japan was on
my list.

Nellie

===

Lovely I suspect you are travelling on holiday, yes? In my case my
husband was in the military and we lived in various places ie Malta 4 years
the longest, New Delhi, Germany, France .. oh that is all I can remember,
but I don't want to go back. Perhaps if they were just holidays I might
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On Wed, 20 May 2020 Gary wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
>> > faster than ever!
>>
>> You believe ads on television?
>
>Maybe not faster than ever but as fast as possible.
>
>I've seen one of those ads and I sure do believe that they
>are working to full capacity as best as they can.
>Supply is low and demand is high. Naturally, a tp company
>would *love* to make way more than they are capable right now.
>
>As this high demand is only temporary, they won't build any
>new factories though. I'll bet stock in any corporation
>that makes TP has soared. Any people that invested in such
>a corporation even 6 months ago probably made an investment
>killing by selling out recently.

The shortage is not due to manufacturing, has to do with transporting,
a lot of truckers refused delivery to high population areas.
However it's only the cheap *******s who ran out because they refused
to stock up when demand is low... and that goes for all necessary
products. I very often see people at the check out buying one single
roll of TP... they probably tear off just one sheet and use both
sides.
I can remember at the last part of WWll TP was in short supply, people
used pages from Sears catalogues, the soft colorful tissue papers used
to wrap fruit was considered luxury TP. And then people used
schmatahs torn from old bed linen that they rinsed and laundered...
there were no disposable diapers, neither any sanitary napkins (Kotex
was born as wartime bandages) and tampons weren't invented, women used
schmatahs that they laundered and hung on shower curtain rods... where
do yoose think the term 'on the rag' came from...

Growing up during a time when TP was in short supply all the time I
learned to always keep well stocked, right now we must have 300 rolls
of TP in stock. My wife grew up in Belize, they had no TP there at
that time... then about 1982 Rose's factory came to be, but it was
expensive so most Belizeans didn't use it for a long time. Actually
TP is made from the pulp of a particular tropical rainforest tree
because it dissolves readily. Before Roses people in the tropics used
pieces of dried banana leaves.
I visited Roses factory when it first opened, was a rather small
operation at that time. They didn't call it toilet paper, was called
bathroom tissue.
https://www.gracekennedybelize.com/p...aper-products/

On Tue, 19 May 2020 22:23:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 5/17/2020 7:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:35:25 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband uses kleenex at home, but always carries a handkerchief when
>>>>> he goes out. In his case, though, it's a bandanna.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I don't use tissues or handkerchiefs, I use Bounty paper towels, the
>>>> half size ones, they're soft, absorbant, and hold up better than
>>>> tissues. I also much prefer them to napkins at table settings... I
>>>> think cloth napkins are just extra laundry and ironing.
>>>
>>> Ironing. Heh. You're a laugh riot.
>>>
>> I know, right? Who bothers to iron napkins? My mother probably did but
>> she only brought them out on "holidays" anyway.
>>
>>> I wish I could get my husband to use cloth napkins. It would save
>>> money on buying paper napkins, and the amount of laundry it added
>>> would be insignificant.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Since this Covid-19 thing I've started using cloth napkins. For dining,
>> not blowing my nose! It's not like I make a huge mess when I'm eating so
>> cloth napkins just make sense. Paper towels are a waste and it really
>> *is* getting hard to find paper products right now. No big deal to toss
>> the cloth napkins in the wash.
>>
>> They can also be used, with some creative folding and a couple of elastic
>> bands, be folded into a cloth mask.
>>
>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday. I was down to two rolls in each
>> bathroom. Couldn't find TP anywhere. I did manage to buy a few boxes of
>> facial tissues and a very small roll of really cheap paper towels. I'm
>> going to be using the facial tissues as TP. I don't want to think about
>> using the cheap rough paper towels as TP. I think I'd rather look in the
>> "rag bag" in the laundry room. My mother left a bag full of cloth scraps.
>> Alledgely for using as dust rags and polishing rags.
>>
>> As far back as I can remember, Mom always had a "rag bag". They've
>> been sitting there for who knows how long. They're clean, but of course
>> I'd wash them first.

Those rags were your mom's sanitary napkins, all women used schmatahs
back then, there was no Kotex/Modess and it was still a while before
Tampons were invented, and accepted.


>> There was *no* TP at any of the stores and they had limits on how much you
>> could buy of anything paper. Looks like I'm going to have to make due
>> with facial tissue and perhaps rags until there is a re-stocking of TP
>> down here. Seems like the supply chain has been cut off a bit. Or the
>> demand is exhorbitant.
>>
>> Damned Covid-19. I surely never thought I'd find myself in the middle of
>> a toilet paper shortage. Not even when preparing for a hurricane. Or back
>> in west TN when there was the threat of snow and suddenly the stores ran
>> out of milk and toilet paper. This is totally different. People are
>> panicking and the supply chain disrupted.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I see ads on TV from Angel Soft and Northern saying how much
>> they're doing to keep production going and they're donating masks and
>> money to help. Okay, but where is the toilet paper? How come I can't
>> find any? I find it difficult to believe the small population in this
>> area have totally decimated your supply.
>>
>> The good thing is, I won't be running out of food. I always knew having a
>> stand-alone freezer and stocking up the fridge and pantry was a good idea.
>>
>>
>> Just have a problem with buying toilet paper right now. This is
>> definitely an interesting time to be alive.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I can get paper products here now but they are being rationed. Still having
>trouble with trash bags though.
>
>I rarely need a napkin. I do stop for drive through tacos once in a while
>and they always give me plenty of napkins so I just save those.

cshenk wrote:
>
> TP is starting to show up again here. Me, I got some at Amazon that
> was in stock. Interesting, made of bamboo (which sounds terrible but
> then we make the regular stuff from trees...). Works fine!

I wonder if TP made from cauliflower would work?
At least it would be gluten free.

> We also have some 40 or so washcloths in an emergency (use once, wash).
> Reason we have so many is I've been using them for ages in the kitchen
> in place of sponges and paper towels for cleanup.

I use cheap washclothes for many things. Love them.
I buy multi packs of cheap white ones for
only a few dollars.

Walmart sells them but those are kind of stiff.
Target sells them and theirs are nice and soft.

cshenk wrote:
>
> We also have some 40 or so washcloths in an emergency (use once, wash).

Using washcloths is a fine substitute for TP if it comes down
to that. Anyone that raised a baby using cloth diapers, knows
the deal.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 9:50:03 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Those rags were your mom's sanitary napkins, all women used schmatahs
> back then, there was no Kotex/Modess and it was still a while before
> Tampons were invented, and accepted.
>
Sanitary napkins were in production in the early 1920s. Tampons came on
the market during WW2.

On 5/18/2020 1:21 PM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> While Chinese may recoil at the thought of stuffing a wad of snotty
>> cloth into to their pockets they have a reputation for grossing out
>> others by spitting everywhere.
>
> LOL. Forget that Chinese theory for a minute...
> Ever watch an american MLB baseball game? ;-D
>
That's cuz they've got a bit of snuff tucked between their teeth and
jaw. That's a disgusting habit, too.

Jill

On 5/18/2020 10:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:32:05 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I was raised with cloth napkins and my wife likes to use cloth napkins.
>>
>> I have no issue with people that like to use cloth napkins.
>> I have some but only for special dinners with company.
>>
>>> Under normal circumstances you can use them lots of time, but if you get
>>> something particularly messy, the sort of thing for which you really
>>> need a napkin, they get too dirty to be re-used. I am thinking things
>>> like chicken wings, ribs etc.
>>
>> Ok, that's a bit weird to me, Dave.
>> Using the same cloth napkin for several meals as long as
>> they don't get too messy?
>>
>> When I do use mine, one meal only then they get washed.
>
> That's because you only use them for special dinners with company.
>
> I could probably go all day on one napkin.
>
> Breakfast: bowl of oatmeal. Unless I miss my mouth with the spoon like
> a toddler, I don't need a napkin at all.
>
> Lunch: a sandwich or bowl of soup or something. I might use one corner of
> one side of the napkin.
>
> Dinner: Usually salad, meat, bread. There goes another corner.
>
> In the interest of hygiene, I then put the napkin in the laundry.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
That's the way it works in my house. Of course if I was eating ribs
slathered in sauce the napkin would only be good for one use before
needing to be washed. That's okay, I own more than one cloth napkin.

Jill

On 5/20/2020 5:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/19/2020 8:39 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:56 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls in each
>>>>>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> You may have to be at the stores before 7:00 to find any. I think you said
>>> there is not a Walmart near you but you may have to make an early morning
>>> trip there as well.
>>>
>> There is a Walmart. They didn't get their delivery. Seems none of the
>> stores did. The problem seems to be with the supply chain, because
>> according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
>> faster than ever!
>
> You believe ads on television?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Tongue in cheek, m'dear!

Jill

On 5/20/2020 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
>>> faster than ever!
>>
>> You believe ads on television?
>
> Maybe not faster than ever but as fast as possible.
>
> I've seen one of those ads and I sure do believe that they
> are working to full capacity as best as they can.
> Supply is low and demand is high. Naturally, a tp company
> would *love* to make way more than they are capable right now.
>
> As this high demand is only temporary, they won't build any
> new factories though. I'll bet stock in any corporation
> that makes TP has soared. Any people that invested in such
> a corporation even 6 months ago probably made an investment
> killing by selling out recently.
>
Damn, I knew I should have bought stock in Kimberly-Clark.

Here's a completely unrelated but true funny. When Fred Smith first
offered an IPO for Federal Express (Fed-X) my brother urged Dad to buy
some stock. Dad's response was "Who would ever need to have a package
delivered overnight?" Oh dear...

Jill

On 5/20/2020 10:38 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2020 Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
>>>> faster than ever!
>>>
>>> You believe ads on television?
>>
>> Maybe not faster than ever but as fast as possible.
>>
>> I've seen one of those ads and I sure do believe that they
>> are working to full capacity as best as they can.
>> Supply is low and demand is high. Naturally, a tp company
>> would *love* to make way more than they are capable right now.
>>
>> As this high demand is only temporary, they won't build any
>> new factories though. I'll bet stock in any corporation
>> that makes TP has soared. Any people that invested in such
>> a corporation even 6 months ago probably made an investment
>> killing by selling out recently.
>
> The shortage is not due to manufacturing, has to do with transporting,
> a lot of truckers refused delivery to high population areas.
> However it's only the cheap *******s who ran out because they refused
> to stock up when demand is low... and that goes for all necessary
> products. I very often see people at the check out buying one single
> roll of TP... they probably tear off just one sheet and use both
> sides.
(snippage)

You've got to be the only person I know who has "very often" seen people
buying one single roll of TP. I've been buying 12 roll packs for as
long as I can remember. Split between two bathrooms, usually lasts a
few months. Then again, I have Crohn's Disease and one of the symptoms
includes the occasional bout of diarreha. So I might use more TP than
you do, every once in a while.

The thing about this pandemic is no one ever envisioned entire families
stuck in self-quarantine for months on end. If you had five people
living in your house your supply would deplete pretty quickly. But hey,
if you've got 300 rolls of TP in the basement, be a pal and send me
some! I sure as hell can't find any right now. And yes, it's a problem
with not only demand but also the supply chain. It's entirely possible
some of those truckers are sick or are taking care of sick family
members; a good reason not to be on the road.

As I mentioned before, I do have a rag bag. If absolutely necessary
I'll start using and constantly washing rags. I'd prefer not to but
hey, better than nothing at all.

Jill

On 2020-05-20 12:16 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/20/2020 5:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2020 8:39 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:56 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked for toilet paper yesterday.Â* I was down to two rolls
>>>>>>>>>> in each
>>>>>>>>>> bathroom.Â* Couldn't find TP anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> You may have to be at the stores before 7:00 to find any.Â* I think
>>>> you said
>>>> there is not a Walmart near you but you may have to make an early
>>>> morning
>>>> trip there as well.
>>>>
>>> There is a Walmart.Â* They didn't get their delivery.Â* Seems none of the
>>> stores did.Â* The problem seems to be with the supply chain, because
>>> according to all the ads I see on TV the companies are cranking out TP
>>> faster than ever!
>>
>> You believe ads on television?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Tongue in cheek, m'dear!

Toilet paper???? I suppose tongue in cheek would be more appropriate
than tongue between cheeks.

I can't see the Covid19 situation increasing the need or use of toilet
paper. I might suggest that, given way that people are hoarding it,
leading to shortages on store shelves I imagine that people are finding
ways to cut down on their TP consumption. I am wondering how much the
manufacturers are planning to make and how much retailers want to have
to store. At some point this situation will clear up and people will
be confident of finding it in stores again and they are going to stop
hoarding it. Lots of people who used to buy it weekly, biweekly or
monthly are going to have several months supply. Manufacturers and
retailers will be paying a lot of money for warehouse space to store the
stuff that is not selling.

On 2020-05-20 12:20 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/20/2020 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
killing by selling out recently.
>>
> Damn, I knew I should have bought stock in Kimberly-Clark.
>
> Here's a completely unrelated but true funny.Â* When Fred Smith first
> offered an IPO for Federal Express (Fed-X) my brother urged Dad to buy
> some stock.Â* Dad's response was "Who would ever need to have a package
> delivered overnight?"Â* Oh dear...
>

Stock is funny stuff. When my great grandfather died he had a bunch of
stock in Bell Telephone. No one else wanted it so my grandmother
reluctantly took it as part of her share of the estate. The value of the
stock soared and her brother and sisters thought that she should share
some of the stock with them.


On the other side of stock investments, I had a friend who lost her
government job and got a hefty buyout. She did two stupid things with
it. One was to by a distributorship for caffeinated water and the rest
was all invested in Nortel and that stock went down the tubes with
record speed. There were even fraud charges involved by the time it went
bankrupt.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 11:35:43 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I can't see the Covid19 situation increasing the need or use of toilet
> paper. I might suggest that, given way that people are hoarding it,
> leading to shortages on store shelves
>
I can imagine an increase in the use of toilet paper at home. Mom & dad were
working and used the bathroom facilities there. Kids were in school and used
the bathroom facilities there. But when many companies shutdown and kids were
no longer going to school suddenly you've got four, five, six, or more people
at home using the house bathroom and the house toilet paper 24/7.

But I do think a lot of people were and are panic buying and buying as much
toilet paper and paper towels they can. That's why most all stores limited
shoppers to one pack of each. Now were those packs the huge ones or were
they just small 4 or 6 rolls?

jmcquown wrote:
> I hope to be able to find TP in the next few days. Wish me luck.

Just go early, Jill. Seriously!
The few that they add during the night sells out quickly
the next morning.

I was down to a couple of weeks left and last week, I went
early. Only 2 12-packs double rolled there. First time in
weeks that ANY were there.

I got one so I'm all set now for a few months. WHEW!

" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 9:32:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > I hope to be able to find TP in the next few days. Wish me luck.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> I do, I do! You may have to pack a sandwich to sustain your energy while
> you're out searching.

If no TP, might be better to skip that sandwich and most
all other meals for awhile.
Less eating, less pooping. Roll of tp will last longer.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 12:11:31 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> I was down to a couple of weeks left and last week, I went
> early. Only 2 12-packs double rolled there. First time in
> weeks that ANY were there.
>
> I got one so I'm all set now for a few months. WHEW!
>
When you shop again and if there is toilet paper on the shelf you should
buy another pack even though you are 'all set now for a few months.'
TP doesn't spoil, doesn't need refrigeration and you WILL eventually
need it if you have the space to store it.

On 5/20/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 9:50:03 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Those rags were your mom's sanitary napkins, all women used schmatahs
>> back then, there was no Kotex/Modess and it was still a while before
>> Tampons were invented, and accepted.
>>
> Sanitary napkins were in production in the early 1920s. Tampons came on
> the market during WW2.
>
Sheldon's being his usual silly self. Mom always had a rag bag. Her
mother had a rag bag. They didn't have things like Swiffer dusters back
in the day. Feather dusters didn't do anything but shuffle dust around.
Old sheets, towels, t-shirts were used for dusting and polishing
furniture, washing the windows, etc.

Jill

On 5/16/2020 1:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-16 12:18 p.m., wrote:
>
>>> Her sister hung on to the old tub washer with a mangle much longer; I
>>> remember seeing it in her basement in the 1960s.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> When my mother's wringer washer finally gave up and died my dad said
>> it was
>> time for an automatic washer.Â* No, no, no!Â* That contraption is not
>> coming
>> in this house!Â* I think after the first full load of clothes and how
>> quickly
>> it did its' job and the clothes were clean she was in heaven.
>>
>
> House work has changed over the years.Â* Laundry used to be an all day
> job when the machines were manually operated. These days you can pop a
> load of laundry into the machine, add detergent push a button and come
> back when the machine stops. Take the laundry out and put it in the
> dryer and come back in an hour.Â* Lucretia would not approve of my
> mother's way of doing laundry.Â* The laundry room was downstairs so she
> went over to the rec room and watched TV.

Apparently nowadays you can start your SMART washing machine using an
app on your phone. Why you didn't start the washer before you left the
house is still a mystery...

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Old sheets, towels, t-shirts were used for dusting and polishing
> furniture, washing the windows, etc.

I've always saved and use old cut-up t-shirts for rags.
Old cloth diapers are even better. I ran out of those about
a hundred years ago but am often tempted to buy a few dozen
new ones (assuming they still make them). The best rags ever.