On 7/13/2018 6:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>>
>> And my Bosch oven and dishwasher were 2 very poor purchases:-(
>
> My Bosch range is a piece of crap (considering what it cost). When
> we replaced the dishwasher, my husband wouldn't even consider a Bosch.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

When we were looking for a new DW a few years back it was going to be
either Bosch or KitchenAid. Local dealer said they are both excellent
machines but he had more service calls with Bosch. We stuck with KA
like we've had for years.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:33:25 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> >> On 2018-07-12 7:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> > On Thu 12 Jul 2018 04:26:57p, Boron Elgar told us...
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 07:43:30a, Boron Elgar told us...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:42:49 -0700, "Cheri"
> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> >>>>> ...
> >> >>>>>> On 7/11/2018 12:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I use the Amazon Firestick on my TV and they do have some
> >> >>>>>>> really good programming. I'm a huge fan of Amazon in all
> >> >>>>>>> respects.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Cheri
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Worth it just to binge watch Bosch.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I love Bosch.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Cheri
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Must check this out. The man who plays Bosch is a terrific
> >> >>>> actor.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I thought it was a line of appliances. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> My dishwasher agrees with that identification, too.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > As does mine. :-)
> >> >
> >> And my Bosch oven and dishwasher were 2 very poor purchases:-(
> >
> > My Bosch range is a piece of crap (considering what it cost). When
> > we replaced the dishwasher, my husband wouldn't even consider a Bosch.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Sometimes with these name brand appliances, they get worse as time goes on
> instead of better, cheaply made and not made to last. I have found that to
> be true with some.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===
>
> Very early last year, I had an accident and was off my feet for some time.
> I didn't have a dishwasher .. didn't want one, but during the time I was
> off
> my feet D got fed up of washing up and ordered a dishwasher <g>
>
> It is a Bosch and has never given any bother. Is it likely to as it gets
> older or would it have shown up by now?

I imagine that the ones sold for the U.S. market are not subject
to as stringent quality processes. It really seems to be a
crapshoot as to whether a given Bosch is wonderful or terrible.

Honestly, the only problem with my stove is that the hinges on
the oven door are faulty and the door doesn't shut properly.
We could have sent it back to the factory to be fixed, but instead
my husband fabricated a device to force the door more nearly closed.
Because the door doesn't close properly, the plastic knobs on the
front of the range have deteriorated from the heat.

Other than that, the stuff that you'd think would be really fragile,
like the controller circuit board, has been just fine.

Cindy Hamilton

==

I suppose they are made differently in whichever country they are made. If
I ever get any problems with mine, I will shout <g>

On 2018-07-13 4:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-07-12 7:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 04:26:57p, Boron Elgar told us...
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 07:43:30a, Boron Elgar told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:42:49 -0700, "Cheri"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2018 12:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I use the Amazon Firestick on my TV and they do have some
>>>>>>>>> really good programming. I'm a huge fan of Amazon in all
>>>>>>>>> respects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Worth it just to binge watch Bosch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love Bosch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must check this out. The man who plays Bosch is a terrific
>>>>>> actor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was a line of appliances. :-)
>>>>
>>>> My dishwasher agrees with that identification, too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As does mine. :-)
>>>
>> And my Bosch oven and dishwasher were 2 very poor purchases:-(
>
> My Bosch range is a piece of crap (considering what it cost). When
> we replaced the dishwasher, my husband wouldn't even consider a Bosch.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I can only use the convection bake setting for everything, which works
OK, but not the other modes as the thermostat placement/design is
stupid. In normal mode, the temperature swings +/-50F!!
The DW works but has became noisy just after the warranty expired. A
Bosch representative told me there machines are built with an expected
10yr lifespan.
OTOH, I have a Bosch food mixer of the type that they have stopped
making. It's built like a tank and barely gets warm when I am making
large batches of bread dough. The new models are electronically
controlled and don't look to be as powerful.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:18:49 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 7/13/2018 1:43 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> On 7/12/2018 8:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> Fashions in acting technique change. I doubt any of us could
>>>> tolerate watching Richard Burbage at work.
>>>> Early Hollywood acting was based on stage acting, which was
>>>> stilted compared to modern stage acting.
>>> Much of that acting style was based on the Delsarte system. One of my
>>> fellow students at acting school had a copy of Delsarte's manual. The
>>> illustrations are absolutely hilarious.
>>
>> As someone who suffered though a Stanislavski/method class, I hesitate
>> to debate or counter the demerits of either.
>>
>For suffering, not much could beat Paul Curtis's American Mime classes
>at AADA. I liked him, but _hated_ those classes. Pure torture, and they
>were a required part of the curriculum.


BFA programs can cause agita.

On 2018-07-13 8:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:33:25 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>>> On 2018-07-12 7:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 04:26:57p, Boron Elgar told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 07:43:30a, Boron Elgar told us...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:42:49 -0700, "Cheri"
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2018 12:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I use the Amazon Firestick on my TV and they do have some
>>>>>>>>>>> really good programming. I'm a huge fan of Amazon in all
>>>>>>>>>>> respects.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Worth it just to binge watch Bosch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I love Bosch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Must check this out. The man who plays Bosch is a terrific
>>>>>>>> actor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought it was a line of appliances. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My dishwasher agrees with that identification, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As does mine. :-)
>>>>>
>>>> And my Bosch oven and dishwasher were 2 very poor purchases:-(
>>>
>>> My Bosch range is a piece of crap (considering what it cost). When
>>> we replaced the dishwasher, my husband wouldn't even consider a Bosch.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Sometimes with these name brand appliances, they get worse as time goes on
>> instead of better, cheaply made and not made to last. I have found that to
>> be true with some.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Very early last year, I had an accident and was off my feet for some time.
>> I didn't have a dishwasher .. didn't want one, but during the time I was off
>> my feet D got fed up of washing up and ordered a dishwasher <g>
>>
>> It is a Bosch and has never given any bother. Is it likely to as it gets
>> older or would it have shown up by now?
>
> I imagine that the ones sold for the U.S. market are not subject
> to as stringent quality processes. It really seems to be a
> crapshoot as to whether a given Bosch is wonderful or terrible.
>
> Honestly, the only problem with my stove is that the hinges on
> the oven door are faulty and the door doesn't shut properly.
> We could have sent it back to the factory to be fixed, but instead
> my husband fabricated a device to force the door more nearly closed.
> Because the door doesn't close properly, the plastic knobs on the
> front of the range have deteriorated from the heat.
>
> Other than that, the stuff that you'd think would be really fragile,
> like the controller circuit board, has been just fine.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
The hinges on mine had to be replaced, under warranty thankfully. They
are just too weak. The cooling fan for the electronics failed when I was
baking a batch of bread and the oven shut off. The fan is noisy but at
least it doesn't whistle as much as the old one.
I would really like a Miele but that would entail a kitchen refit ($$$$)

On 2018-07-13 4:58 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/13/2018 11:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 2:59:22 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 7/12/2018 8:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fashions in acting technique change.Â* I doubt any of us could
>>>> tolerate watching Richard Burbage at work.
>>>>
>>>> Early Hollywood acting was based on stage acting, which was
>>>> stilted compared to modern stage acting.
>>>>
>>> Much of that acting style was based on the Delsarte system. One of my
>>> fellow students at acting school had a copy of Delsarte's manual. The
>>> illustrations are absolutely hilarious.
>>
>> You can't fault their diction, though.Â* No matter how fast the patter
>> was, you could understand every word.
>>
> True. Clear enunciation is sadly lacking in many of the younger crop of
> actors.
>
If I have recorded it or am watching a dvd, I sometimes have to playback
to understand what was said and still can't after several repeats.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I don't want the product of my labor to be stolen any more than,
> say, 20th Century Fox does. I want everybody who uses it to pay
> for it.

Try offering shareware and good luck with that.

Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> As someone who suffered though a Stanislavski/method class, I hesitate
> to debate or counter the demerits of either.

Haven't you done studies about this and run the numbers?

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > So I just looked at the maps, and there are no buses that go by
> > Whole Foods any more (not even if you have Amazon Prime). So I
> > guess it's officially a non-destination now. No big loss.
>
> It's a nice ride there for me, and I'll often combine the trip
> with a stop at the recycle yard a couple of miles away. If I
> needed to use public transportation it would be a place I never
> went.

My "City of Va.Beach" is way too large (ie- spread out)...not a
real city like you would think. My nearest two bus stops are both
over 1 mile away. And if you walk to one and catch a bus, they
usually don't go where you want.

I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
joke!

Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> BFA programs can cause agita.

Did you research that well and run the numbers?

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:31:16 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2018-07-13 4:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> >> On 2018-07-12 7:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 04:26:57p, Boron Elgar told us...
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu 12 Jul 2018 07:43:30a, Boron Elgar told us...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:42:49 -0700, "Cheri"
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> On 7/11/2018 12:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I use the Amazon Firestick on my TV and they do have some
> >>>>>>>>> really good programming. I'm a huge fan of Amazon in all
> >>>>>>>>> respects.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheri
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Worth it just to binge watch Bosch.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I love Bosch.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheri
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Must check this out. The man who plays Bosch is a terrific
> >>>>>> actor.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought it was a line of appliances. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> My dishwasher agrees with that identification, too.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> As does mine. :-)
> >>>
> >> And my Bosch oven and dishwasher were 2 very poor purchases:-(
> >
> > My Bosch range is a piece of crap (considering what it cost). When
> > we replaced the dishwasher, my husband wouldn't even consider a Bosch.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> I can only use the convection bake setting for everything, which works
> OK, but not the other modes as the thermostat placement/design is
> stupid. In normal mode, the temperature swings +/-50F!!

That sucks. I have to say, I've never tracked the temp of my
oven. I'm not much of a baker, and the turkey never seems to
care.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> So I just looked at the maps, and there are no buses that go by
>>> Whole Foods any more (not even if you have Amazon Prime). So I
>>> guess it's officially a non-destination now. No big loss.
>>
>> It's a nice ride there for me, and I'll often combine the trip
>> with a stop at the recycle yard a couple of miles away. If I
>> needed to use public transportation it would be a place I never
>> went.
>
> My "City of Va.Beach" is way too large (ie- spread out)...not a
> real city like you would think. My nearest two bus stops are both
> over 1 mile away. And if you walk to one and catch a bus, they
> usually don't go where you want.
>
Public transportation simply isn't available everywhere. I've only seen
it in metropolitan areas. Even in Memphis, if I had to rely on taking a
bus to go shopping (any store) I'd still be waiting for one to show up.

> I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
> joke!
>
Did you finally get there?

Jill

On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> It's a nice ride there for me, and I'll often combine the trip
>> with a stop at the recycle yard a couple of miles away. If I
>> needed to use public transportation it would be a place I never
>> went.
>
> My "City of Va.Beach" is way too large (ie- spread out)...not a
> real city like you would think. My nearest two bus stops are both
> over 1 mile away. And if you walk to one and catch a bus, they
> usually don't go where you want.

I've tried looking up online where buses go around here.
I know they go from the community college in town to the
train station. I see a bus stop by the supermarket area.

The routes and times are a secret, and I still don't know how
to get to Whole Foods. Not that I'm pretending I'd take the
bus there.
> I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
> joke!

Massively time consuming, I'm willing to bet.

nancy

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
> > I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
> > joke!
> >
> Did you finally get there?

Bus runs every hour here. First I had to walk 1.5 miles to the
bus stop. When bus arrived empty, I got on. Before getting to the
mall, they stopped at a navy base on the way. Navy base wouldn't
let civilians even stay on the bus while it went inside. I had to
get off the bus and wait while they went inside the base to
collect the military fellows. When the bus came back out, ALL of
the seats were taken so I had to stand in the aisle as it went to
one more navy base. This one I could stay on though. From there
we got to the mall.

I shopped for a little over an hour then went back to the mall
bus stop. The hourly bus had just left so I had to wait one more
hour for the next bus. Then come home and walk 1.5 miles again
to get home.

What a joke it was. My car was in the shop then so that's why I
tried the bus.
With car that would have been a total there and back 2 hour trip.
With the bus, it took 4-5 hours with a 3 mile round trip walk.
They even went right near my house on the way back but they
wouldn't let me off there, I had to ride it back to the bus
station.

I remember in cities, as a child, you could pull a cord and the
bus would let you off anywhere. Not so here.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
> > I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
> > joke!
>
> Massively time consuming, I'm willing to bet.

It certainly was...see my previous post for the story of that one
trip.

On 2018-07-13 10:51 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> It's a nice ride there for me, and I'll often combine the trip
>>> with a stop at the recycle yard a couple of miles away.Â* If I
>>> needed to use public transportation it would be a place I never
>>> went.
>>
>> My "City of Va.Beach" is way too large (ie- spread out)...not a
>> real city like you would think. My nearest two bus stops are both
>> over 1 mile away.Â* And if you walk to one and catch a bus, they
>> usually don't go where you want.
>
> I've tried looking up online where buses go around here.
> I know they go from the community college in town to the
> train station.Â* I see a bus stop by the supermarket area.
>
> The routes and times are a secret, and I still don't know how
> to get to Whole Foods.Â* Not that I'm pretending I'd take the
> bus there.
>> I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
>> joke!
>
> Massively time consuming, I'm willing to bet.
>
> nancy
Greyhound has just announced that it will no longer serve Western Canada
- apart from the Seattle - Vancouver route that is operated by the US arm.
Of course there are protests as some people in rural areas depend on it
from time to time. However, I've seen it coming as I have used the
freight service for 30 years and have seen the gradual drop in ridership
and the concomitant scheduling.

On 7/13/2018 2:53 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 13 Jul 2018 09:49:51a, jmcquown told us...
>
> I have a feeing a trip on those would be intolerably slow, due to
> transferring and routing. We'll stick to cars.
>
> I never rode a bus in my life.
>
I only ever taken a bus to grade school. Depending on where we lived,
sometimes I had to walk to the school bus stop, no biggie. But I also
often walked to and from school, too.

There was no public transporation easily accessible anywhere I've
worked. Have to have a car here.

Jill

On 7/13/2018 11:31 AM, graham wrote:

>>
> I can only use the convection bake setting for everything, which works
> OK, but not the other modes as the thermostat placement/design is
> stupid. In normal mode, the temperature swings +/-50F!!

That is too much. From everything I've read, a 20 degree swing is
considered normal. Never checked mine so I have no idea.

On 7/13/2018 7:27 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 13 Jul 2018 07:18:49a, S Viemeister told us...
>
>> On 7/13/2018 1:43 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/2018 8:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> Fashions in acting technique change. I doubt any of us could
>>>>> tolerate watching Richard Burbage at work.
>>>>> Early Hollywood acting was based on stage acting, which was
>>>>> stilted compared to modern stage acting.
>>>> Much of that acting style was based on the Delsarte system. One
>>>> of my fellow students at acting school had a copy of Delsarte's
>>>> manual. The illustrations are absolutely hilarious.
>>> As someone who suffered though a Stanislavski/method class, I
>>> hesitate to debate or counter the demerits of either.
>>>
>> For suffering, not much could beat Paul Curtis's American Mime
>> classes at AADA. I liked him, but _hated_ those classes. Pure
>> torture, and they were a required part of the curriculum.
>>
> I can't stand mime.
>
American Mime isn't at all like the Marcel Marceau type, with the white
face paint. I didn't mind _watching_ performances, but truly hated the
training sessions.

On 2018-07-13 2:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/13/2018 11:31 AM, graham wrote:
>
>>>
>> I can only use the convection bake setting for everything, which works
>> OK, but not the other modes as the thermostat placement/design is
>> stupid. In normal mode, the temperature swings +/-50F!!
>
> That is too much.Â* From everything I've read, a 20 degree swing is
> considered normal.Â* Never checked mine so I have no idea.

I have an oven thermometer and in convection bake mode, the temperature
remains spot on.

On 2018-07-13 12:53 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 13 Jul 2018 09:49:51a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 7/13/2018 12:18 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> So I just looked at the maps, and there are no buses that go by
>>>>> Whole Foods any more (not even if you have Amazon Prime). So I
>>>>> guess it's officially a non-destination now. No big loss.
>>>>
>>>> It's a nice ride there for me, and I'll often combine the trip
>>>> with a stop at the recycle yard a couple of miles away. If I
>>>> needed to use public transportation it would be a place I never
>>>> went.
>>>
>>> My "City of Va.Beach" is way too large (ie- spread out)...not a
>>> real city like you would think. My nearest two bus stops are both
>>> over 1 mile away. And if you walk to one and catch a bus, they
>>> usually don't go where you want.
>>>
>> Public transportation simply isn't available everywhere. I've
>> only seen it in metropolitan areas. Even in Memphis, if I had to
>> rely on taking a bus to go shopping (any store) I'd still be
>> waiting for one to show up.
>>
>>> I did a bus trip to the mall one time and one time only. What a
>>> joke!
>>>
>> Did you finally get there?
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> In early days my mother didn't drive, but she did have a driver.
> Later, when I was around 13-14 my dad finally talked her into
> learning to drive. At the time we lived in the county outside of St.
> Louis, and there was very little public transporaion. In
> metropolitan St. Lois they still had streetcars that ran frequently.
>
> Here in Phoenix they began installing METRO Light Rail and from what
> I understand most people are very happy with it. Unfortunately, the
> closest Light Rail station is 14 blocks from where we live and I
> certainly couldn't walk it. We have a plethora of pubic busses, but
> I have a feeing a trip on those would be intolerably slow, due to
> transferring and routing. We'll stick to cars.
>
> I never rode a bus in my life.
>
I rarely go to wine tastings but am looking forward to when a new rapid
transit system opens as it passes by a favourite wine shop:-)

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 10:56:55 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>
> I have an oven thermometer and in convection bake mode, the temperature
> remains spot on.

I love a well regulated oven. Every oven is different and learning how your oven behaves is an important part of baking.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:56:52 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-07-13 2:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/13/2018 11:31 AM, graham wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I can only use the convection bake setting for everything, which works
>>> OK, but not the other modes as the thermostat placement/design is
>>> stupid. In normal mode, the temperature swings +/-50F!!
>>
>> That is too much.* From everything I've read, a 20 degree swing is
>> considered normal.* Never checked mine so I have no idea.
>
>I have an oven thermometer and in convection bake mode, the temperature
>remains spot on.

My Yorkshire puds puff up twice as well with convection going.

On 2018-07-13 2:32 PM, graham wrote:

> Greyhound has just announced that it will no longer serve Western Canada
> - apart from the Seattle - Vancouver route that is operated by the US arm.
> Of course there are protests as some people in rural areas depend on it
> from time to time. However, I've seen it coming as I have used the
> freight service for 30 years and have seen the gradual drop in ridership
> and the concomitant scheduling.


Public vehicles had been heavily regulated for years. Companies needed
operating licenses to be able to haul passengers between certain points.
Some of the runs were highly profitable and companies could not usually
get the authority for the gravy runs without also taking on some money
losing runs. Enforcement of economic regulatory controls started to
ease up years ago and the bus business took on most of the oversight.

It is interesting to see that so many people are upset about losing a
bus service that is being pulled because no one was using it.

On 2018-07-13 3:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-07-13 2:32 PM, graham wrote:
>
>> Greyhound has just announced that it will no longer serve Western
>> Canada - apart from the Seattle - Vancouver route that is operated by
>> the US arm.
>> Of course there are protests as some people in rural areas depend on
>> it from time to time. However, I've seen it coming as I have used the
>> freight service for 30 years and have seen the gradual drop in
>> ridership and the concomitant scheduling.
>
>
> Public vehicles had been heavily regulated for years.Â* Companies needed
> operating licenses to be able to haul passengers between certain points.
> Some of the runs were highly profitable and companies could not usually
> get the authority for the gravy runs without also taking on some money
> losing runs.Â* Enforcement of economic regulatory controls started to
> ease up years ago and the bus businessÂ* took on most of the oversight.
>
> It is interesting to see that so many people are upset about losing a
> bus service that is being pulled because no one was using it.
>
It happens everywhere and in other circumstances. For example, in the UK
if you close a village pub and try and convert it to a private
residence, all hell breaks loose. Villagers have it declared a
"community asset" despite the fact that they weren't patronising the
place and causing it to go out of business. Crazy!!

In article >, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:

> When we were looking for a new DW a few years back it was going to be
> either Bosch or KitchenAid. Local dealer said they are both excellent
> machines but he had more service calls with Bosch. We stuck with KA
> like we've had for years.

I've owned a KA dishwasher and stove since 1987. They've been
superior[1].
I don't want any major kitchen appliances based on the newest, fancy
electronics. It's expensive trickery and premature failure, I tell you.

[1] Past performance is no guarantee for future acquisitions.

leo

On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> I've owned a KA dishwasher and stove since 1987. They've been
> superior[1].
> I don't want any major kitchen appliances based on the newest, fancy
> electronics. It's expensive trickery and premature failure, I tell you.
>
> [1] Past performance is no guarantee for future acquisitions.
>
> leo

That's a pretty good idea. I've had numerous electronic control boards fail on my appliances. I replaced the board on my dishwasher a couple of times. The boards can't take the moisture and the heat. That's strange. After the third failure, I just replaced the damn thing.

The same thing happened to my microwave which is mounted above the range. Near as I can figure, the steam from foods cooking just killed it. I unmounted it and put the unit in my car but nobody wanted to look at it. Near as I can figure, they'd rather do a very profitable/expensive service call. I dumped it and got a cheaper unit.

I've also had control boards fail on the refrigerator and the range, not to mention my cars. The transmission control box is prone to not working when the weather gets damp. The ABS control board isn't rugged enough and breaks delicate wires. Of course, they're both Bosch units.

The trouble with consumer electronic appliances is that the circuit boards should be made bulletproof but they're not. The good news is that I hope to die soon so I won't have to deal with these things.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> I've owned a KA dishwasher and stove since 1987. They've been
> superior[1].
> I don't want any major kitchen appliances based on the newest, fancy
> electronics. It's expensive trickery and premature failure, I tell you.
>
> [1] Past performance is no guarantee for future acquisitions.
>
> leo

That's a pretty good idea. I've had numerous electronic control boards fail
on my appliances. I replaced the board on my dishwasher a couple of times.
The boards can't take the moisture and the heat. That's strange. After the
third failure, I just replaced the damn thing.

The same thing happened to my microwave which is mounted above the range.
Near as I can figure, the steam from foods cooking just killed it. I
unmounted it and put the unit in my car but nobody wanted to look at it.
Near as I can figure, they'd rather do a very profitable/expensive service
call. I dumped it and got a cheaper unit.

I've also had control boards fail on the refrigerator and the range, not to
mention my cars. The transmission control box is prone to not working when
the weather gets damp. The ABS control board isn't rugged enough and breaks
delicate wires. Of course, they're both Bosch units.

The trouble with consumer electronic appliances is that the circuit boards
should be made bulletproof but they're not. The good news is that I hope to
die soon so I won't have to deal with these things.

==

Oi. Stop that!!!

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:55:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>
>> I've owned a KA dishwasher and stove since 1987. They've been
>> superior[1].
>> I don't want any major kitchen appliances based on the newest, fancy
>> electronics. It's expensive trickery and premature failure, I tell you.
>>
>> [1] Past performance is no guarantee for future acquisitions.
>>
>> leo
>
>That's a pretty good idea. I've had numerous electronic control boards fail on my appliances. I replaced the board on my dishwasher a couple of times. The boards can't take the moisture and the heat. That's strange. After the third failure, I just replaced the damn thing.
>
>The same thing happened to my microwave which is mounted above the range. Near as I can figure, the steam from foods cooking just killed it. I unmounted it and put the unit in my car but nobody wanted to look at it. Near as I can figure, they'd rather do a very profitable/expensive service call. I dumped it and got a cheaper unit.
>
>I've also had control boards fail on the refrigerator and the range, not to mention my cars. The transmission control box is prone to not working when the weather gets damp. The ABS control board isn't rugged enough and breaks delicate wires. Of course, they're both Bosch units.
>
>The trouble with consumer electronic appliances is that the circuit boards should be made bulletproof but they're not. The good news is that I hope to die soon so I won't have to deal with these things.

The worst are the computerized control boards on newer automobiles...
and as they increase the ratio of ethanol those boards die... now even
premium fuel contains some ethanol. My wife's six year old Toyota has
six different control boards, one or another always makes the idiot
light come on. And trouble shooting and replacement is expensive. She
bought one of those thingies that plugs into the jack under the dash
that the service tech uses and she can use her smart phone to send the
diagnosis to her printer... she's discovered that most times those
idiot lights lie and the service tech know it and sticks you with a
big bill for doing nothing. The boards are factory programmed to last
about one year anyway and cost in excess of $500 to replace.
My 1990 Landcruiser has no computer boards, the book says to use
regular but I get better milage with premium and now with all the
ethenol added it's best to use premium anyway. The Landcruiser
normally average 15 MPG wsith regular but averages 18 MPG with premium
and the engine runs smoother... the extra 50¢ per gallon is worth
it... really can't go by a owner's

On 7/15/2018 1:59 PM, wrote:
> the extra 50¢ per gallon is worth
> it... really can't go by a owner's
>
Sober up, **** face.

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>
> The worst are the computerized control boards on newer automobiles...
> and as they increase the ratio of ethanol those boards die... now even
> premium fuel contains some ethanol. My wife's six year old Toyota has
> six different control boards, one or another always makes the idiot
> light come on. And trouble shooting and replacement is expensive. She
> bought one of those thingies that plugs into the jack under the dash
> that the service tech uses and she can use her smart phone to send the
> diagnosis to her printer... she's discovered that most times those
> idiot lights lie and the service tech know it and sticks you with a
> big bill for doing nothing. The boards are factory programmed to last
> about one year anyway and cost in excess of $500 to replace.
> My 1990 Landcruiser has no computer boards, the book says to use
> regular but I get better milage with premium and now with all the
> ethenol added it's best to use premium anyway. The Landcruiser
> normally average 15 MPG wsith regular but averages 18 MPG with premium
> and the engine runs smoother... the extra 50¢ per gallon is worth
> it... really can't go by a owner's

What typically sets off a check engine light is one of the sensors from the emission/engine control system not operating within specs. The car might run fine. Having a control board malfunction would likely cause the car to be inoperable.

The advent of the electric car is going to change everything. There's a lot less to go wrong - especially since there's no need for a finely tuned emissions control system.