By Amy Bentley,

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innov...ted-180969230/

From the last third:

....Early on, ketchup functioned as a great equalizer, with a €œspecial and unprecedented ability to provide something for everyone.€� Tomato ketchup became €œentrenched as the primary and most popular of condimental sauces, its appeal to Americans deep and widespread,€� wrote food historian Elizabeth Rozin, who called it the €œEsperanto of cuisine.€� Ketchup functioned as a class leveler. Regardless of income or education, Americans could drop into a roadside diner or barbeque joint. Affordable to most, a burger and fries spiked with ketchup was a democratic, delicious lowest common denominator meal. Today ketchups appeal is in part because it embodies principles that Americans prize including consistency, value, and cleanliness. Moreover ketchups use, noted Rozin, was shaped by foods and meals that are perceived as €œAmerican€� in their preparation and presentation: think hamburgers and fries, €œballpark€� foods, fast food in general.

The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as emblematic of U.S. cuisine, too€”and the condiment continues to shape food everywhere it goes. In Japan, people love a cuisine known as yoshoku, which they also sometimes call €œWestern Food.€� Yoshoku restaurants use a lot of ketchup. They serve a dish called naporitan, made of cooked spaghetti that is rinsed in cold water, then stir-fried with vegetables in ketchup. Omu rice is an omelet lying over a mound of ketchup-flavored rice. The hambaagu is a Japanese version of a hamburger patty, usually served bunless. Swedes love €œDepression spaghetti€�€”ketchup poured over pasta as a sauce, as many Americans did during the 1930s and probably still do...

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About the author:

https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/faculty/Amy_Bentley


Lenona.

On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:

> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....

This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
one condiment in the USA.

Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>
>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as emblematic
>> of U.S. cuisine.....
>
> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number one
> condiment in the USA.
>
> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.
>
> nb
Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.

On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>
>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>> one condiment in the USA.
>>
>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.Â*
>>
>> nb
> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.

Pace and Tostito's do not.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>>
>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>>> one condiment in the USA.
>>>
>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.*
>>>
>>> nb
>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.
>
>Pace and Tostito's do not.

Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g
Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml
Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g

On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>>>
>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>>>> one condiment in the USA.
>>>>
>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.Â*
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.
>>
>> Pace and Tostito's do not.
>
> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g
> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml
> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g
>
Not listed as an added ingredient

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>>>
>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>>>> one condiment in the USA.
>>>>
>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.*
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.
>>
>>Pace and Tostito's do not.
>
>Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g
>Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml
>Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g

They add some sugar because they do not use fully ripe tomatoes....
fully ripe tomatoes would turn to mush with factory slicers.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:21 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>>>>
>>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>>>>> one condiment in the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.*
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.

I'm sure you mean added sugar. Ripe tomatoes contain quite a bit of
sugar but those harvested for salsa are not fully ripe so I'm sure
some small quantity of sugar is added, probably corn syrup.

>>>Pace and Tostito's do not.
>>
>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g
>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml
>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g
>
>I'd be disappointed if tomatoes didn't contain natural sugars. Most
>fruits do! (can't think of one, off the top of my head, that doesn't)

I'm sure every plant contains sugar... nearly every day I stop to
watch cows with giant udders munching sweet greenery.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:21 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as
>>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine.....
>>>>>
>>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number
>>>>> one condiment in the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.*
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar.
>>>
>>>Pace and Tostito's do not.
>>
>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g
>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml
>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g
>
>I'd be disappointed if tomatoes didn't contain natural sugars. Most
>fruits do! (can't think of one, off the top of my head, that doesn't)

Sugar is sugar.

I like Taco Bell jar salsa but can't find it now, surely they didn't quit making it.

On 6/13/2018 5:35 PM, wrote:

> I like Taco Bell jar salsa but can't find it now, surely they didn't quit making it.

Perhaps yer store jes quit carrying it. That was the case with Tobasco
Chipotle Sauce, hereabouts. One local mkt now carries it. Check TB's
website.

nb

On 6/13/2018 10:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> taco Bell salsa was the worst commercial stuff I'd ever tasted.

As much as I despise "fast food", I gotta agree with Chris Porter on
this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuBGPylPVIU

nb