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"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
By Amy Bentley,
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innov...ted-180969230/ From the last third: ....Early on, ketchup functioned as a great equalizer, with a €śspecial and unprecedented ability to provide something for everyone.€ť Tomato ketchup became €śentrenched as the primary and most popular of condimental sauces, its appeal to Americans deep and widespread,€ť wrote food historian Elizabeth Rozin, who called it the €śEsperanto of cuisine.€ť Ketchup functioned as a class leveler. Regardless of income or education, Americans could drop into a roadside diner or barbeque joint. Affordable to most, a burger and fries spiked with ketchup was a democratic, delicious lowest common denominator meal. Today ketchups appeal is in part because it embodies principles that Americans prize including consistency, value, and cleanliness. Moreover ketchups use, noted Rozin, was shaped by foods and meals that are perceived as €śAmerican€ť in their preparation and presentation: think hamburgers and fries, €śballpark€ť foods, fast food in general. The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as emblematic of U.S. cuisine, too€”and the condiment continues to shape food everywhere it goes. In Japan, people love a cuisine known as yoshoku, which they also sometimes call €śWestern Food.€ť Yoshoku restaurants use a lot of ketchup. They serve a dish called naporitan, made of cooked spaghetti that is rinsed in cold water, then stir-fried with vegetables in ketchup. Omu rice is an omelet lying over a mound of ketchup-flavored rice. The hambaagu is a Japanese version of a hamburger patty, usually served bunless. Swedes love €śDepression spaghetti€ť€”ketchup poured over pasta as a sauce, as many Americans did during the 1930s and probably still do... (snip) About the author: https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/faculty/Amy_Bentley Lenona. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed andRegulated"
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"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
"notbob" > wrote in message ... > On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: > >> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as emblematic >> of U.S. cuisine..... > > This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number one > condiment in the USA. > > Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar. ;) > > nb Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed andRegulated"
On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "notbob" > wrote in message > ... >> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >> >>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >> >> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >> one condiment in the USA. >> >> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.Â* ;) >> >> nb > Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. Pace and Tostito's do not. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "notbob" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>> >>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>> one condiment in the USA. >>> >>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>> >>> nb >> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. > >Pace and Tostito's do not. Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed andRegulated"
On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>> >>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>> >>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.Â* ;) >>>> >>>> nb >>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >> >> Pace and Tostito's do not. > > Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g > Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml > Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g > Not listed as an added ingredient |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce >
wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>> >>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>> >>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>>> >>>> nb >>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >> >>Pace and Tostito's do not. > >Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g They add some sugar because they do not use fully ripe tomatoes.... fully ripe tomatoes would turn to mush with factory slicers. |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:17:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... Ketchup is actually an Oriental condiment only originally they had no tomatoes but they used several different recipes. >>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>> one condiment in the USA. I've wondered if that poll is not a skewed Mexican conspiracy taken in the TexMex border towns because the fast food burger and fries joints in the US don't serve salsa, but they sure serve a giant super tanker load of ketchup. I've tried it and I don't like salsa on a burger and especially not on fries. I like salsa but on corn chips/nachos. I've only seen salsa served at a Mexican restaurant. Next yoose at the market compare the salsa display to the ketchup display, no comparison... salsa takes up a couple three feet of shelf at most, ketchup takes up at least 1/4 of an aisle with all the brands and sizes. And besides the national brands a lot of store brand ketchup is sold, I've not seen store brand salsa, perhaps in the southwest markets. A tiny jar of salsa costs more than a giant economy size of Heinz red. I rarely have salsa at home but I always have ketchup in the fridge. I rarely buy salsa but during tomato season I prepare my own, far better than the popular commercial brands. I remember when I lived in So Cal I'd see gallon jugs of salsa in the market fridge and I once bought a jug, it was watery and tasteless. >>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>>>> >>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>> >>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >> >Not listed as an added ingredient I don't think they need to when it's less than 1%. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:21 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>> >>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>>>> >>>>> nb >>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. I'm sure you mean added sugar. Ripe tomatoes contain quite a bit of sugar but those harvested for salsa are not fully ripe so I'm sure some small quantity of sugar is added, probably corn syrup. >>>Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g > >I'd be disappointed if tomatoes didn't contain natural sugars. Most >fruits do! (can't think of one, off the top of my head, that doesn't) I'm sure every plant contains sugar... nearly every day I stop to watch cows with giant udders munching sweet greenery. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:17:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>> >>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>>>> >>>>> nb >>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>> >>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >> >Not listed as an added ingredient So? Anyway, they have a lot less sugar than Heinz. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:21 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>>On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>> >>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar.* ;) >>>>> >>>>> nb >>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>> >>>Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g > >I'd be disappointed if tomatoes didn't contain natural sugars. Most >fruits do! (can't think of one, off the top of my head, that doesn't) Sugar is sugar. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed andRegulated"
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:21 -0500, heyjoe > > wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:02:20 +1000, Bruce wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>>> >>>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. > > I'm sure you mean added sugar. Ripe tomatoes contain quite a bit of > sugar but those harvested for salsa are not fully ripe so I'm sure > some small quantity of sugar is added, probably corn syrup. > >>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >>> >>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >> >> I'd be disappointed if tomatoes didn't contain natural sugars. Most >> fruits do! (can't think of one, off the top of my head, that doesn't) > Ahh, Popeye the biologist. I bet yoose knows everything about everything. > I'm sure every plant contains sugar... nearly every day I stop to > watch cows with giant udders munching sweet greenery. > Wow Popeye, now yoose really found yooself some long thick nipples. Do yoose also shave the cow's vaginas before yoose mount them? |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>> >>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar. ;) >>>>> >>>>> nb >>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>> >>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >> > Not listed as an added ingredient Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... >> On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>>> >>>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the number >>>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>>> >>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >>> >>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >>> >> Not listed as an added ingredient > >Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. Which is why salsa contains sugar. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
I like Taco Bell jar salsa but can't find it now, surely they didn't quit making it.
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"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed andRegulated"
On 6/13/2018 10:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> taco Bell salsa was the worst commercial stuff I'd ever tasted. As much as I despise "fast food", I gotta agree with Chris Porter on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuBGPylPVIU nb |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... >>> On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On 6/11/2018 5:00 PM, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rest of the world, for better or worse, regards ketchup as >>>>>>>> emblematic of U.S. cuisine..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This, despite the fact that "salsa" has replace ketchup as the >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> one condiment in the USA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, both contain waaaaay too much sugar. ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nb >>>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>>>> >>>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >>>> >>>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >>>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >>>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >>>> >>> Not listed as an added ingredient >> >>Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. > > Which is why salsa contains sugar. But it's not added sugar. There is sugar in all fruits and veggies. |
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:41:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Bruce" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... >>>> On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >>>>> >>>>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >>>>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >>>>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >>>>> >>>> Not listed as an added ingredient >>> >>>Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. >> >> Which is why salsa contains sugar. > >But it's not added sugar. There is sugar in all fruits and veggies. Judge Ed said that certain brands don't contain sugar. I said that's nonsense. I never said sugar was an added ingredient. |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 1:46:19 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:41:59 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > > > > >"Bruce" > wrote in message > .. . > >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... > >>>> On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g > >>>>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml > >>>>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g > >>>>> > >>>> Not listed as an added ingredient > >>> > >>>Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. > >> > >> Which is why salsa contains sugar. > > > >But it's not added sugar. There is sugar in all fruits and veggies. > > Judge Ed said that certain brands don't contain sugar. I said that's > nonsense. I never said sugar was an added ingredient. Ed meant added sugar. If you weren't such a pillock, you wouldn't have quibbled about that. Cindy Hamilton |
"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 03:12:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 1:46:19 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:41:59 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message >> .. . >> >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>> On 6/12/2018 8:02 AM, Bruce wrote: >> >>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:56:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On 6/11/2018 11:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Salsa shouldn't contain sugar. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Pace and Tostito's do not. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tostitos Chunky Salsa: 2g per 33g >> >>>>> Pace Salsa: 1g per 30ml >> >>>>> Heinz Tomato Ketchup Salsa: 4g per 17g >> >>>>> >> >>>> Not listed as an added ingredient >> >>> >> >>>Exactly. Tomatoes contain natural sugar. >> >> >> >> Which is why salsa contains sugar. >> > >> >But it's not added sugar. There is sugar in all fruits and veggies. >> >> Judge Ed said that certain brands don't contain sugar. I said that's >> nonsense. I never said sugar was an added ingredient. > >Ed meant added sugar. If you weren't such a pillock, you wouldn't >have quibbled about that. Sugar is sugar, whether it's in coca cola or in orange juice. |
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Bruce wrote:
> > Sugar is sugar, whether it's in coca cola or in orange juice. And only old RFC ppl here think it's so evil. |
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"How Ketchup Revolutionized How Food Is Grown, Processed and Regulated"
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 12:00:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>Bruce wrote: >> >> Sugar is sugar, whether it's in coca cola or in orange juice. > >And only old RFC ppl here think it's so evil. It is. There's a lot of crap in cola. But sugarwise, oj is no beter. |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:38:37 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote: writes: >>Bruce wrote: >>> >>> Sugar is sugar, whether it's in coca cola or in orange juice. >> >>And only old RFC ppl here think it's so evil. > >I wouldn't say evil, but eating too much of it (and it doesn't take >much before you get to too much) can lead to metabolic disease through >both indirect means such as the effects of obesity as well as directly >by dysregulation of lipid and carbohydrate metabolism... but you already >knew that. You eat coca cola? Just when you think you know a culture... |
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