In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> My wife's mom was in a car that was driven by a drunk person. Heck, she could
> have been driving. My guess is that everybody in the car was drunk. Back in
> those days, the designated driver was the person that was still able to get
> the keys in the ignition. Anyway, there was my wife's mom, one other married
> guy, and a married couple in the car - when they drove off a cliff.
>
> This was in Montana back in the late 50's. They had big families back then
> so, near as I can figure, the number of kids that lost a parent or both
> parents approached 20. The rest is history - very likely of the worst kind.

I drove from SW to NE Montana in the late sixties with my father. West
Yellowstone through Billings and Miles City into Williston, ND was the
route. Everywhere along there, the state posted crosses wherever
someone had died. If many had, there were that number of crosses at the
point that the accident occurred. I'll never forget them.
That type of reminder is no longer politically correct.

leo

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:51:32 PM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> I drove from SW to NE Montana in the late sixties with my father. West
> Yellowstone through Billings and Miles City into Williston, ND was the
> route. Everywhere along there, the state posted crosses wherever
> someone had died. If many had, there were that number of crosses at the
> point that the accident occurred. I'll never forget them.
> That type of reminder is no longer politically correct.
>
> leo
>
>
I see those crosses around here all the time. Politically correct??
Was that meant as a joke?

On 2018-05-28 11:13 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:51:32 PM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>
>> I drove from SW to NE Montana in the late sixties with my father. West
>> Yellowstone through Billings and Miles City into Williston, ND was the
>> route. Everywhere along there, the state posted crosses wherever
>> someone had died. If many had, there were that number of crosses at the
>> point that the accident occurred. I'll never forget them.
>> That type of reminder is no longer politically correct.
>>
>> leo
>>
>>
> I see those crosses around here all the time. Politically correct??
> Was that meant as a joke?
>


There are a number of crosses and mini shrines at the locations of
fatal crashes. Unfortunately, the tend to be commemorating the victims
of their own misfortune, so they are more like monuments to stupidity.
For instance, a car whose drunk driver missed a gentle turn and hit
another car head on, a couple of incidents where cars travelling at
high speeds rolled on turns, a speeding motorcycle that wiped out on a
curve and slid under a truck, and one whose driver was texting when she
missed the curve and rolled in a ditch.

In article >,
"> wrote:

> I see those crosses around here all the time. Politically correct??
> Was that meant as a joke?

Do you live in Montana? If the signs are still maintained, good for
Montana. Otherwise, what's your point? I really want you to respond, so
I can explain to you what political correctness is in this case with a
few simple phrases. Bring it on!
But bring it on before I go to bed. Otherwise it'll be Thursday or
later before I respond.

leo

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> I drove from SW to NE Montana in the late sixties with my father. West
> Yellowstone through Billings and Miles City into Williston, ND was the
> route. Everywhere along there, the state posted crosses wherever
> someone had died. If many had, there were that number of crosses at the
> point that the accident occurred. I'll never forget them.
> That type of reminder is no longer politically correct.
>
> leo

Around here, the families and friends will create roadside memorials where loved one has died. There's far too many scattered around the roads. I suppose that they remind people to be careful on certain roads.

The locals will also put memorials on the rear window of trucks. This type of thing is also done in the Mexican culture. I can't say how that connection between Hawaii and Mexico came about.

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> Around here, the families and friends will create roadside memorials where
> loved one has died. There's far too many scattered around the roads. I
> suppose that they remind people to be careful on certain roads.
>
> The locals will also put memorials on the rear window of trucks. This type of
> thing is also done in the Mexican culture. I can't say how that connection
> between Hawaii and Mexico came about.

Google "Montana roadside memorials" to see what I saw. It was fifty
years ago, but the crosses are well represented. I don't remember the
rods being red. There were a lot of them. Sometimes there was one, but
wait for a curve and see a lot. I've never forgotten the lesson. I
believe they were state sponsored at the time, because they all had a
similar and sturdy theme for a few hundred miles, and every one
represented a soul.

leo

On 2018-05-29 1:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 4:51:32 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell

> Around here, the families and friends will create roadside memorials
> where loved one has died. There's far too many scattered around the
> roads. I suppose that they remind people to be careful on certain
> roads.
>
> The locals will also put memorials on the rear window of trucks. This
> type of thing is also done in the Mexican culture. I can't say how
> that connection between Hawaii and Mexico came about.


There are cemeteries for monuments commemorating the dead. I don't
think that they side of the road is the appropriate place. There are
sometimes innocent victims killed, but in most cases the victim was the
author of their own demise and some people are offended by the little
shrines they set up.

There is one locally that a lot of people resent. A car full of drunks
crossed the centre line on a gentle curve and struck and oncoming
vehicle. The car that was struck was carried two couples who were
returning from the airport and on their way home from vacation. They
were part of a large local family and I know a number of their
relatives. Luckily, their injuries were not too serious.

The drunks OTOH, we all killed. Their vehicle caught fire and they
burned to death. They had been out partying at the casino after having
attended the funeral of the younger brother of one of the newly
deceased. The younger brother had died of a drug overdose. The drugs
that killed him had been supplied by the older, now dead, brother.

Their memorial is offensive to the people in this town because the crash
victimized well known and very popular people, and the guys who caused
it, a bunch of low lives, are being commemorated.

On 5/28/2018 10:51 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> I drove from SW to NE Montana in the late sixties with my father. West
> Yellowstone through Billings and Miles City into Williston, ND was the
> route. Everywhere along there, the state posted crosses wherever
> someone had died. If many had, there were that number of crosses at the
> point that the accident occurred. I'll never forget them.
> That type of reminder is no longer politically correct.
>

I saw a lot of those while driving through Maryland in the late 90s.
No idea if they're still there.

nancy

On 2018-05-30 9:20 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 30-May-2018, wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 May 2018 17:10:56 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-05-29 4:06 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 2:15:40 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I'm going to keep the white bicycle memorials to myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have bicycle lanes EVERYWHERE but at least once a year someone
>>>>> is killed riding one and it's usually because they decided to ride
>>>>> in regular traffic or run red lights and stop signs. If the white
>>>>> bicycle thing gets around we'll have those here, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Groups of cyclists often stop at the corner bakery coffee shop. One day
>>>>
>>>> a bunch of them were sitting at the table next to me and talking about
>>>> a
>>>> new bike lane. One of them boasted that he rides on the line. And they
>>>>
>>>> wonder why cyclists get hit so often.
>>>>
>>>> It's bad enough that road traffic is messed up a couple times a year to
>>>>
>>>> accommodate bicycle races, but the location of the races attracts
>>>> bicyclists who train on the local roads. They ride 2-3 abreast in
>>>> large
>>>> groups, refuse to move over for cars and blow through stop signs.
>>>> There
>>>> are rural roads, and they don't usually bother to put up stop signs
>>>> until there have been a couple crashes at the intersection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> where I live, my main route along the base of the foothills, is used
>>> for bicycle races virtually every Saturday. During the week the
>>> bicycle clubs cycle en mass on this route. There's a nice wide bike
>>> lane but it won't accommodate 6-8 abreast. I'm supposed to "share'
>>> the road. This road is hilly and winding and is double yellow all the
>>> way. You can't see oncoming traffic because of hills and twists on
>>> the road. The bikers curse if you pass too close but are fully
>>> willing to force automobile traffic into oncoming traffic. I have no
>>> respect for bicycle riders.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> "Share the road" generally means, "We'll do what we want and drivers
>> will have to suck it, because it looks really bad in court when a
>> 2500-pound vehicle kills a poor, defenseless bicyclist."
> +1
> There are many bicyclists in my community and it is the rare one that
> actually obeys traffic signs and "rules of the road". That coupled with
> their slow speed makes them a menace on the roads.
>
I drive a car, I also walk and I also ride a bike!
I can guarantee that in any 2km car trip on the main roads, if I were a
cop I could write at least 2 tickets to motorists misbehaving.
I follow the road rules when I'm on my bike as do the majority of
cyclists. A few give us a bad name but then "holier than thou" motorists
are just as bad and potentially more deadly.
At least cyclists are getting excercise and are not polluting.

On 2018-05-30 11:27 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-05-30 9:20 AM, l not -l wrote:

> I drive a car, I also walk and I also ride a bike!
> I can guarantee that in any 2km car trip on the main roads, if I were a
> cop I could write at least 2 tickets to motorists misbehaving.
> I follow the road rules when I'm on my bike as do the majority of
> cyclists. A few give us a bad name but then "holier than thou" motorists
> are just as bad and potentially more deadly.
> At least cyclists are getting excercise and are not polluting.


They pollute when they drive somewhere to cycle. Trust me. I live in an
area that is popular with cyclists. The put their bikes on car racks
and drive a few miles. There is a park on the edge of a nearby city that
is a great spot for hiking. The lots are often full of cars with empty
bike racks.

On Wed, 30 May 2018 09:27:25 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-05-30 9:20 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 30-May-2018, wrote:
>>
>>> "Share the road" generally means, "We'll do what we want and drivers
>>> will have to suck it, because it looks really bad in court when a
>>> 2500-pound vehicle kills a poor, defenseless bicyclist."
>> +1
>> There are many bicyclists in my community and it is the rare one that
>> actually obeys traffic signs and "rules of the road". That coupled with
>> their slow speed makes them a menace on the roads.
>>
>I drive a car, I also walk and I also ride a bike!
>I can guarantee that in any 2km car trip on the main roads, if I were a
>cop I could write at least 2 tickets to motorists misbehaving.
>I follow the road rules when I'm on my bike as do the majority of
>cyclists. A few give us a bad name but then "holier than thou" motorists
>are just as bad and potentially more deadly.
>At least cyclists are getting excercise and are not polluting.

Exactly.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 5:27:30 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> I drive a car, I also walk and I also ride a bike!
> I can guarantee that in any 2km car trip on the main roads, if I were a
> cop I could write at least 2 tickets to motorists misbehaving.
> I follow the road rules when I'm on my bike as do the majority of
> cyclists. A few give us a bad name but then "holier than thou" motorists
> are just as bad and potentially more deadly.
> At least cyclists are getting excercise and are not polluting.

I can tell a hardcore bicyclist by their build and posture. It's quite amazing how this activity changes the human body.

On 2018-05-30 11:20 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 30-May-2018, wrote:
>
>> "Share the road" generally means, "We'll do what we want and drivers
>> will have to suck it, because it looks really bad in court when a
>> 2500-pound vehicle kills a poor, defenseless bicyclist."
> +1
> There are many bicyclists in my community and it is the rare one that
> actually obeys traffic signs and "rules of the road". That coupled with
> their slow speed makes them a menace on the roads.
>

I don't have a problem with cyclists on the road. They have as much
right to be on them as cars do. However, I expect them to share the
road, to allow cars to go by, to keep as far right as practicable, to
stay off sidewalks and out of cross walks, to stop at stop signs and
traffic lights, to use signals and to have the proper lighting when
riding at night.

l not -l wrote:
> On 29-May-2018, wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 7:52:07 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 May 2018 21:58:49 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> For several years they placed flowers where the polyp was killed in his
>>>> memory. Every time I would see those flowers I thought that's the
>>>> price
>>>> you pay for being a dunce.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree with you. I can think of several memorials around
>>> here that are a tribute to stupidity. We also have white painted
>>> bicycles. So you have those?
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>
>> No, I've not seen those! What do the white bicycles symbolize??
> Around here, they are symbolic of some smug SOB who thought it a good idea
> to ride his $2,000 bicycle in the middle of the street at 7 mph. Said smug
> one thought a F-250 4x4 driver, doing 45mph in a 30 zone, cell phone between
> cheek and shoulder, while munching on a dripping mess of a Monster
> Thickburger, would see him and happily reduce his speed to match the 7mph.
>

Nah, guys who munch on those huge hamburgers usually drive Dodge Ram 350
cummins turbo diesel pickups towing a trailer load almost as impressive
as an 18 wheeler.

Everything but a jake brake.

I meant to say I've never driven when drunk.

> wrote in message
...
>I meant to say I've never driven when drunk.


I know, I was just joshing you.

Cheri

I hope I can get more steel reserve HG tomorrow, it's not easy to find here.

wrote:
>
> I hope I can get more steel reserve HG tomorrow, it's not easy to find here.

That's because your local bums grab up all that cheap beer.
If you want strong beer, try Ice beer.

If anyone but me drinks steel reserve it must be women. I did drink milwaukee's best ice.

https://wvexplorer.com/attractions/o...ffers-crosses/

I had to get natty daddy beer.

I once knew a WV state cop and the main groups of people he didn't like were gypsies and motorcycle gangs.

On 2018-05-29 4:11 PM, wrote:
> I once knew a WV state cop and the main groups of people he didn't
> like were gypsies and motorcycle gangs.
>

A few years ago there was a tragic accident near here. A family was
returned from a day at Niagara Falls and their car was rear ended by a
truck which then left the scene. A five year old boy was killed. I read
the newspaper report the next day and noted that the names looked like
Roma names and assumed that it was a staged accident that went wrong.

The cops eventually located the truck driver and he was convicted of
leaving the scene, but the Gypsy car driver was also charged. He had
been driving on the highway with no lights. The car was loaded with a
bunch of his fellow Romas who had spent their last day before
deportation at the falls. After the accident they had to stick around
for medical treatment and as witnesses to the accident.

I'll run out of steel reserve mon and I have a 15 pack of natty daddy to use up.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>I'll run out of steel reserve mon and I have a 15 pack of natty daddy to use up.

I doubt I've drank 15 beers in the last 20 years.

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 7:54:29 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >
> >I'll run out of steel reserve mon and I have a 15 pack of natty daddy to use up.
>
> I doubt I've drank 15 beers in the last 20 years.
>
>
I only know of one that I've consumed.

I read on an nih page that the more alc you drink the better your kidneys will be, tho it said too much was bad for you in other ways tho.

wrote:
>
> I read on an nih page that the more alc you drink the better your kidneys will be, tho it said too much was bad for you in other ways tho.

As alcohol is a diuretic, it does help keep your kidneys working
and flushing out the bad stuff. Also helps with blood pressure,
and a few other things.

All in moderation though...too much and it can take you down.
Need to drink lots of water too.

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 1:42:53 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> I need something fiberous, to eat. I've lost nearly 30 lbs, but am
> plugged up like concrete down a drain pipe!
>
> Popcorn usta do it fer me (one bag, pooped twice a day!). but my
> teeth/gums are too messed up to go down that road, anymore. I'd
> prefer something in the vegetable range. RFC regulars respond!
>
> nb

Moderate alc prevents both heart attacks and type 2 diabetes. People with an achy tendency shouldn't drink at all tho and there's a lot of people like that.

I didn't mean to imply anyone here had a tendency to be an alchy lol, but in general you can't sling a dead cat w/o hitting such a person.

On Fri, 18 May 2018 12:50:13 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On 18 May 2018 17:42:49 GMT, notbob wrote:
>
>> I need something fiberous, to eat. I've lost nearly 30 lbs, but am
>> plugged up like concrete down a drain pipe!
>>
>> Popcorn usta do it fer me (one bag, pooped twice a day!). but my
>> teeth/gums are too messed up to go down that road, anymore. I'd
>> prefer something in the vegetable range. RFC regulars respond!
>
>You can buy psyllium husks in bulk - as little or as much as want -
>at most health food stores. A tablespoon chased with lots of water.
>Then chase that with a big ass steak.
>
>Don't mix psyllium (or Metamucil-like preps) with water and then
>drink it. That stuff sticks to the glass and then gets washed down
>the drain where it sticks, swells, and clogs up your plumbing.

Very little sticks to the glass, and it's no biggies to add another
couple ounces of water and give it a stir and drink that too.

>Rather, stick it in your mouth dry and chase it water.
>
>-sw

Taking it dry is very dangerous... if it sticks to your pipes imagine
it sticking in your throat.