Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
OMG!

Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:56:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>increases tremendously!

Traumatised by yet another vicious vegetable?

>I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
>two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>OMG!
>
>Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.

It's just not fair, is it?!?

In article >, says...
>
> Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
> increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
> two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
> one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
> hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
> OMG!
>
> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.

Julie, why don't we all just fast-forward to the day after your hair
analyst/pet psychic/doctor tells you that you're close to death from
CSA vegetables, so we can all be excused from your weekly CSA problems.

We all know what's coming.. the inevitable CSA rejection by Angela and
Somebody, the weird medical symptoms, the trash tossing, the not
complaining to the manager, the hospital death bed.

Let's just forget it all and get back to real life stuff about raccoons
and mailboxes. You know it makes sense.

Janet UK

On 10/15/2014 8:21 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>> increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
>> two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>> one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>> hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>> OMG!
>>
>> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.
>
> Julie, why don't we all just fast-forward to the day after your hair
> analyst/pet psychic/doctor tells you that you're close to death from
> CSA vegetables, so we can all be excused from your weekly CSA problems.
>
> We all know what's coming.. the inevitable CSA rejection by Angela and
> Somebody, the weird medical symptoms, the trash tossing, the not
> complaining to the manager, the hospital death bed.
>
> Let's just forget it all and get back to real life stuff about raccoons
> and mailboxes. You know it makes sense.

You know a person has no life at all when she's resorting to posting
about a member of the allium family making her eyes water.
Golly. Perhaps she should alert the media.

On 10/15/2014 10:44 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

> You know a person has no life at all when she's resorting to posting
> about a member of the allium family making her eyes water.
>

What is your excuse?

On 10/15/2014 11:11 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 10:44 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
>> You know a person has no life at all when she's resorting to posting
>> about a member of the allium family making her eyes water.
>>
>
> What is your excuse?

Mockery. I live to mock.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:14:02 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

> On 10/15/2014 11:11 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 10/15/2014 10:44 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> >
> >> You know a person has no life at all when she's resorting to posting
> >> about a member of the allium family making her eyes water.
> >>
> >
> > What is your excuse?
>
> Mockery. I live to mock.

Chaff column.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:21:17 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>> increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
>> two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>> one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>> hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>> OMG!
>>
>> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.
>
> Julie, why don't we all just fast-forward to the day after your hair
>analyst/pet psychic/doctor tells you that you're close to death from
>CSA vegetables, so we can all be excused from your weekly CSA problems.
>
> We all know what's coming.. the inevitable CSA rejection by Angela and
>Somebody, the weird medical symptoms, the trash tossing, the not
>complaining to the manager, the hospital death bed.
>
>Let's just forget it all and get back to real life stuff about raccoons
>and mailboxes. You know it makes sense.

You know her well

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2014 8:21 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>>> increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I
>>> got
>>> two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But
>>> this
>>> one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was
>>> much
>>> hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus
>>> cleanser.
>>> OMG!
>>>
>>> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they
>>> were
>>> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>>> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting
>>> them.
>>
>> Julie, why don't we all just fast-forward to the day after your hair
>> analyst/pet psychic/doctor tells you that you're close to death from
>> CSA vegetables, so we can all be excused from your weekly CSA problems.
>>
>> We all know what's coming.. the inevitable CSA rejection by Angela and
>> Somebody, the weird medical symptoms, the trash tossing, the not
>> complaining to the manager, the hospital death bed.
>>
>> Let's just forget it all and get back to real life stuff about raccoons
>> and mailboxes. You know it makes sense.
>
> You know a person has no life at all when she's resorting to posting about
> a member of the allium family making her eyes water.
> Golly. Perhaps she should alert the media.

They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got them,
about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell the
same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got them,
> about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell the
> same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.

I find the core and the thin outer layers
to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
layers between the core and outer layers
tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
salvage these shallots by only using the
thick-fleshed part.

On 10/15/2014 5:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
> them, about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and
> smell the same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.

It seems to be apparent to nearly most folks, with a few exceptions,
that only in the bove's publicly demonstrated abnormal and unbelievable
tiny environment (in a house with no walls!) can a simple little shallot
become inedible after a mere short time of two-weeks.

Shallots are often kept for three-plus weeks in a hanging basket in my
kitchen with no problem(s) at all. Such is another example of the
constructed dramas that seem to exist in bovine's more-than-over-active
and unrealistic imagination. Mayhap some day the bove will wake up and
smell the roses, but that's quite doubtful. Who wants to wager and take
odds??!!

Sky, who only 'gambles' with a $1 lottery ticket three times a week ;>

P.S., uhm, that $3/week is still less than a once-a-week treat at, say,
Starbucks - so stick that in a pipe and smoke it ;b~~~

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>> them,
>> about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell
>> the
>> same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>
> I find the core and the thin outer layers
> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
> layers between the core and outer layers
> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
> salvage these shallots by only using the
> thick-fleshed part.

There are none left. But I couldn't eat the one in my salad yesterday.

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:17:29 PM UTC-5, Sky wrote:
>
> Shallots are often kept for three-plus weeks in a hanging basket in my
> kitchen with no problem(s) at all.
>
>
I have a large open weave basket that my shallots and onions reside in and they pose no problem for me either while snoozing in there 3 or more weeks. You reckon I have magic shallots and onions because I reside east of the Mississippi River???

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got them,
> > about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell the
> > same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>
> I find the core and the thin outer layers
> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
> layers between the core and outer layers
> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
> salvage these shallots by only using the
> thick-fleshed part.

Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
a little olive oil, then add to the salad.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>> > them,
>> > about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell
>> > the
>> > same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>>
>> I find the core and the thin outer layers
>> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
>> layers between the core and outer layers
>> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
>> salvage these shallots by only using the
>> thick-fleshed part.
>
> Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
> a little olive oil, then add to the salad.

I wouldn't like them like that in a salad. Moot point now since they're all
gone.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> > They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>>> > them,
>>> > about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell
>>> > the
>>> > same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>>>
>>> I find the core and the thin outer layers
>>> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
>>> layers between the core and outer layers
>>> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
>>> salvage these shallots by only using the
>>> thick-fleshed part.
>>
>> Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
>> a little olive oil, then add to the salad.
>
> I wouldn't like them like that in a salad. Moot point now since they're all
> gone.

nice try everyone!

On 10/16/2014 1:28 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>>>>> them,
>>>>> about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell
>>>>> the
>>>>> same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>>>>
>>>> I find the core and the thin outer layers
>>>> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
>>>> layers between the core and outer layers
>>>> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
>>>> salvage these shallots by only using the
>>>> thick-fleshed part.
>>>
>>> Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
>>> a little olive oil, then add to the salad.
>>
>> I wouldn't like them like that in a salad. Moot point now since they're all
>> gone.
>
> nice try everyone!
>

Yeah ... any attempt to help the 'bove' is "fruitless"! It rejects
every suggestion, no matter how sensible the suggested solutions and
remedies are. Too bad it can't be nominated for a "Darwin Award" - oh well.

Sky

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:28:29 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>>>> > them,
>>>> > about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and smell
>>>> > the
>>>> > same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>>>>
>>>> I find the core and the thin outer layers
>>>> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
>>>> layers between the core and outer layers
>>>> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
>>>> salvage these shallots by only using the
>>>> thick-fleshed part.
>>>
>>> Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
>>> a little olive oil, then add to the salad.
>>
>> I wouldn't like them like that in a salad. Moot point now since they're all
>> gone.
>
>nice try everyone!

Heh

On 10/15/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:17:29 PM UTC-5, Sky wrote:
>>
>> Shallots are often kept for three-plus weeks in a hanging basket in my
>> kitchen with no problem(s) at all.
>
> I have a large open weave basket that my shallots and onions reside
> in and they pose no problem for me either while snoozing in there
>3 or more weeks. You reckon I have magic shallots and onions because
> I reside east of the Mississippi River???

Heh, must be some peculiar -- and abnormal! -- phenomenon that only
exists in one particular and singular location someplace close to the
northwest of the USA not far from Seattle. Wanna bet??? I'm taking
odds, and I'll guarantee payment on any second-Tuesday of next week - VBG!

Sky, who also resides not too far east from the Mighty Mississippi Muddy
"wahtahs"!

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:56:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
>two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>OMG!
>
>Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.

"How do I neutralize an overpowering onion flavor?"
http://tinyurl.com/q5f293u
Janet US

On 2014-10-16 10:29 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.
>
> "How do I neutralize an overpowering onion flavor?"
> http://tinyurl.com/q5f293u
>
Cue Julie for reasons she won't be able to do that.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:17:29 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>On 10/15/2014 5:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I got
>> them, about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look and
>> smell the same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>
>It seems to be apparent to nearly most folks, with a few exceptions,
>that only in the bove's publicly demonstrated abnormal and unbelievable
>tiny environment (in a house with no walls!) can a simple little shallot
>become inedible after a mere short time of two-weeks.
>
>Shallots are often kept for three-plus weeks in a hanging basket in my
>kitchen with no problem(s) at all. Such is another example of the
>constructed dramas that seem to exist in bovine's more-than-over-active
>and unrealistic imagination. Mayhap some day the bove will wake up and
>smell the roses, but that's quite doubtful. Who wants to wager and take
>odds??!!

Odds are she's allergic to roses... she breaks out in French pink
pussywillows! LOL
http://www.amazon.com/French-Pink-Pu.../dp/B000O7Q8WS

On 10/16/2014 3:10 AM, Sky wrote:
> On 10/16/2014 1:28 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They didn't make my eyes water! I just found it odd that when I
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> them,
>>>>>> about 2 weeks ago, they were mild and sweet. They still look
>>>>>> and smell
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same but the heat had increased so much that I couldn't eat them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find the core and the thin outer layers
>>>>> to be the hottest, but the thick-fleshed
>>>>> layers between the core and outer layers
>>>>> tend to be the mildest. Maybe you could
>>>>> salvage these shallots by only using the
>>>>> thick-fleshed part.
>>>>
>>>> Sauteing makes all alliums less pungent, so I would chop and saute in
>>>> a little olive oil, then add to the salad.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't like them like that in a salad. Moot point now since
>>> they're all
>>> gone.
>>
>> nice try everyone!
>>
>
> Yeah ... any attempt to help the 'bove' is "fruitless"! It rejects
> every suggestion, no matter how sensible the suggested solutions and
> remedies are. Too bad it can't be nominated for a "Darwin Award" - oh
> well.
>

That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.

http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html

Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."

At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
of them as they are offered.

This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.

The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
psychological parent and the psychological child:

Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."

Child: "I'd like to see you try."

Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
one by one they are shot down.

By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
barrage of rationality.

Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
aren't fun when you're the only player.

It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:56:50 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>
> increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I got
>
> two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>
> one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>
> hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>
> OMG!
>
>
>
> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>
> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>
> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.

Wow - ain't life tough. PWB.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:
snip
>
>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>
>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
I like this.
Janet US

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>
>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>
>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>
>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>of them as they are offered.
>
>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>
>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>
> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>
> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>
>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>one by one they are shot down.
>
>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>barrage of rationality.
>
>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>
>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.

That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
the origins of her pathology.

"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.

Don't know how you came across this, but well done.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>wrote:
>
>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>>
>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>
>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>
>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>of them as they are offered.
>>
>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>
>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>
>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>
>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>
>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>one by one they are shot down.
>>
>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>barrage of rationality.
>>
>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>
>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>
>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>the origins of her pathology.
>
>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>
>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.

Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.

Doris

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:56:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>>increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I
>>got
>>two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>>one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>>hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>>OMG!
>>
>>Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they
>>were
>>because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>>guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.
>
> "How do I neutralize an overpowering onion flavor?"
> http://tinyurl.com/q5f293u
> Janet US

I do know about the ice bath but it was too late for that as I had already
put it in the salad.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
> snip
>>
>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>
>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
> I like this.
> Janet US

And yet I wasn't playing a game here. Neither was I asking for help. This
*is* a food newsgroup and I *was* making an observation about food. Two
weeks ago I commented on the very same shallots and how nice and mild they
were. I do not think that two weeks is a long amount of time and I wouldn't
think that in that amount of time the shallots got that much hotter. Then
again, it is possible that the shallots that I got were not all harvested at
the same time. I have more coming on Monday so we shall see.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>>>
>>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>
>>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>
>>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>of them as they are offered.
>>>
>>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>
>>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>
>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>
>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>
>>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>one by one they are shot down.
>>>
>>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>barrage of rationality.
>>>
>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>
>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>
>>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>the origins of her pathology.
>>
>>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>
>>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>
> Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
> mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.

I'm sure that I do. And I don't play them. I was commenting on a food.
Not asking for advice or anything like that. I know that people keep
telling me time and time again that it is human nature to give advice. It
is not in *my* nature to do that if advice was not asked for. Not usually
anyway. But apparently it is for most people.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:35:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>>
>>>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>>
>>>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>>of them as they are offered.
>>>>
>>>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>>
>>>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>>
>>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>>
>>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>>
>>>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>>one by one they are shot down.
>>>>
>>>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>>barrage of rationality.
>>>>
>>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>>
>>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>>
>>>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>>the origins of her pathology.
>>>
>>>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>>
>>>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>>
>> Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
>> mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.
>
>I'm sure that I do. And I don't play them. I was commenting on a food.
>Not asking for advice or anything like that. I know that people keep
>telling me time and time again that it is human nature to give advice. It
>is not in *my* nature to do that if advice was not asked for. Not usually
>anyway. But apparently it is for most people.

Julie takes the "Why don't you- yes, but..." game to a new level. She
carefully crafts her complaints in such a way that she isn't actually
asking for any advice. This way, when advice is offered, she can get
all offended because she was just commenting on a food. Brilliant.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:35:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for
>>>>>attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>>>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>>>
>>>>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>>>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>>>of them as they are offered.
>>>>>
>>>>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>>>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>>>
>>>>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>>>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>>>
>>>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>>>
>>>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>>>
>>>>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>>>one by one they are shot down.
>>>>>
>>>>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>>>barrage of rationality.
>>>>>
>>>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>>>
>>>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>>>
>>>>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>>>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>>>the origins of her pathology.
>>>>
>>>>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>>>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>>>
>>>>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>>>
>>> Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
>>> mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.
>>
>>I'm sure that I do. And I don't play them. I was commenting on a food.
>>Not asking for advice or anything like that. I know that people keep
>>telling me time and time again that it is human nature to give advice. It
>>is not in *my* nature to do that if advice was not asked for. Not usually
>>anyway. But apparently it is for most people.
>
> Julie takes the "Why don't you- yes, but..." game to a new level. She
> carefully crafts her complaints in such a way that she isn't actually
> asking for any advice. This way, when advice is offered, she can get
> all offended because she was just commenting on a food. Brilliant.
>
> Doris

I didn't carefully do anything! I merely made a comment on the shallots!

On Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:07:08 PM UTC-5, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>
> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
> >someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
> >"That's too bad".
>
> >It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
> >seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
> >it?".
>
>
> I like this.
>
> Janet US
>
>
Me, too!

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:33:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>> wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>
>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>> I like this.
>> Janet US
>
>And yet I wasn't playing a game here. Neither was I asking for help. This
>*is* a food newsgroup and I *was* making an observation about food. Two
>weeks ago I commented on the very same shallots and how nice and mild they
>were. I do not think that two weeks is a long amount of time and I wouldn't
>think that in that amount of time the shallots got that much hotter. Then
>again, it is possible that the shallots that I got were not all harvested at
>the same time. I have more coming on Monday so we shall see.

How can somebody be so self-centred, clueless, ignorant and so
unreasonable? You truly disgust me.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:15:24 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>>>
>>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>
>>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>
>>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>of them as they are offered.
>>>
>>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>
>>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>
>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>
>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>
>>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>one by one they are shot down.
>>>
>>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>barrage of rationality.
>>>
>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>
>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>
>>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>the origins of her pathology.
>>
>>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>
>>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>
>Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
>mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.
>
>Doris

Yes, good point Doris. There's no question at all that many of her
posts are designed purely to elicit a reaction, in particular the
thread she starts.

I await the simpletons' questions about why, if that is the case, do I
reply to her...

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:59:12 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:35:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doris Night" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>>>suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them. This
>>>>>is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>>>the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>>>given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>>>
>>>>>At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It consists
>>>>>of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>>>of them as they are offered.
>>>>>
>>>>>This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking for
>>>>>the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>>>ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>>>
>>>>>The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather about
>>>>>denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>>>psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>>>
>>>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>>>
>>>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>>>
>>>>>Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>>>proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>>>you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>>>one by one they are shot down.
>>>>>
>>>>>By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>>that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>>>offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>>>barrage of rationality.
>>>>>
>>>>>Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>>>someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>>>"That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>>>be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>>>sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>>>aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>>>
>>>>>It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>>>seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>>>it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>>>causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>>>
>>>>That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>>>characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>>>the origins of her pathology.
>>>>
>>>>"By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>>>in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>>>
>>>>Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>>>
>>> Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
>>> mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.
>>
>>I'm sure that I do. And I don't play them. I was commenting on a food.
>>Not asking for advice or anything like that. I know that people keep
>>telling me time and time again that it is human nature to give advice. It
>>is not in *my* nature to do that if advice was not asked for. Not usually
>>anyway. But apparently it is for most people.
>
>Julie takes the "Why don't you- yes, but..." game to a new level. She
>carefully crafts her complaints in such a way that she isn't actually
>asking for any advice. This way, when advice is offered, she can get
>all offended because she was just commenting on a food. Brilliant.

Very perceptive Doris

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:27:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:56:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Now there is no doubt in my mind that when shallots get old, their heat
>>>increases tremendously! I cut up a shallot from the CSA package that I
>>>got
>>>two weeks ago. When I first got them, they were mild and sweet. But this
>>>one is killing me! I cut one up for salad a few days ago and it was much
>>>hotter than when I first used them but this one is a total sinus cleanser.
>>>OMG!
>>>
>>>Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they
>>>were
>>>because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>>>guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.
>>
>> "How do I neutralize an overpowering onion flavor?"
>> http://tinyurl.com/q5f293u
>> Janet US
>
>I do know about the ice bath but it was too late for that as I had already
>put it in the salad.

You must have a very large salad bowl.

On 2014-10-17 9:19 AM, barbie gee wrote:

>> I didn't carefully do anything! I merely made a comment on the shallots!
>
> You don't really understand how these groups work then. They aren't
> meant to be your personal journal of listing foods you like, don't like,
> or have noted something interesting about. These are "discussion"
> groups. In this case, the discussions are about food.cooking. Thus,
> anything you post is wide open for discussion.
>


And Julie loves being the object of the discussion.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...


On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:35:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:50:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:46:06 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's because Julie isn't looking for help, she's looking for
>>>>>> attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thenew-renaissanceman.com/mind-games-2.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever found yourself in this situation, when someone asks for
>>>>>> suggestions and then rejects every single option offered to them.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is a very common mind game played among groups, and it was actually
>>>>>> the first game to ever be recorded and studied. Dr. Eric Berne has
>>>>>> given it the colloquial name of "Why don't you- yes, but..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At face value, this interaction is pretty straightforward. It
>>>>>> consists
>>>>>> of a man or woman asking for suggestions, but then rejecting each one
>>>>>> of them as they are offered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This interaction would seem to be a simple case of an adult asking
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the advice of other adults, but the rejection of all of the presented
>>>>>> ideas would suggest that there's some deeper ulterior motive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The game is not about actually receiving suggestions, but rather
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> denying them. Berne describes the interaction as one between the
>>>>>> psychological parent and the psychological child:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parent: "I can make you grateful for my help."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Child: "I'd like to see you try."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Realistically, by initiating this game all you're really doing is
>>>>>> proposing a challenge: you're saying "I have a problem, and none of
>>>>>> you are wise enough to fix it." The others in the group then try, and
>>>>>> one by one they are shot down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>>> that you won't surrender to others. You're showing that nobody can
>>>>>> offer you a reasonable solution, and subsequently that give in to a
>>>>>> barrage of rationality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Luckily, the anti-thesis for this game is incredibly simple. When
>>>>>> someone sets up for the game, it usually suffices to simply say
>>>>>> "That's too bad". All you need to do is make it clear that you won't
>>>>>> be offering any suggestions to be shot down. When the advice seeker
>>>>>> sees this they will quickly lose interest or become frustrated; games
>>>>>> aren't fun when you're the only player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also works to turn the suggestions back around onto the advice
>>>>>> seeker. Tell them, "That sounds awful. What are you going to do about
>>>>>> it?". This shows that you're not interested in playing the game,
>>>>>> causing them to defer or seek out a more willing crowd.
>>>>>
>>>>> That describes her perfectly - or at least her principal
>>>>> characteristic we see here on RFC, and goes a fair way in explaining
>>>>> the origins of her pathology.
>>>>>
>>>>> "By fending off solution after solution you're also managing to show
>>>>> that you won't surrender to others" I think this goes a long, long way
>>>>> in explaining Julie. It fits her perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know how you came across this, but well done.
>>>>
>>>> Hasn't Julie said that she has taken a psychology course, and that her
>>>> mother was a counsellor? She should know all about social games.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that I do. And I don't play them. I was commenting on a food.
>>> Not asking for advice or anything like that. I know that people keep
>>> telling me time and time again that it is human nature to give advice.
>>> It
>>> is not in *my* nature to do that if advice was not asked for. Not
>>> usually
>>> anyway. But apparently it is for most people.
>>
>> Julie takes the "Why don't you- yes, but..." game to a new level. She
>> carefully crafts her complaints in such a way that she isn't actually
>> asking for any advice. This way, when advice is offered, she can get
>> all offended because she was just commenting on a food. Brilliant.
>>
>> Doris
>
> I didn't carefully do anything! I merely made a comment on the shallots!

You don't really understand how these groups work then. They aren't meant
to be your personal journal of listing foods you like, don't like, or have
noted something interesting about. These are "discussion" groups. In
this case, the discussions are about food.cooking. Thus, anything you post
is wide open for discussion.

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Oh but I *do* understand! This one is here to discuss food! How is my
bringing up shallots any different than someone bringing up corn bread or a
Rueben sandwich? And yet, instead of discussing shallots, people are
discussing *me*! That's the sad thing.

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:56:50 AM UTC+2, Julie Bove wrote:
> Alas, there is no way to tell by looking at them. I knew how old they were
>
> because I knew when I got them. But it still looked perfectly fine. I
>
> guess from now on I have to use them up within a few days of getting them.


As you store onions a long time, the sulphur increase the sharp taste. it can be removed by slicing them and putting them in water and adding salt. this will draw out the sulphur. Keeping them in the fridge also makes them less sharp.