So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
with
8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls on
the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
assorted
chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
way
up.

So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it? What
will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
unimaginable


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On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:52:47 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
> with
> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls on
> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
> assorted
> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
> way
> up.
>
> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it? What
> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
> unimaginable

If you're only just noticing those prices now, you must be living in
some sort of a protective bubble!


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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:52:47 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
>> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
>> with
>> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls
>> on
>> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
>> assorted
>> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have
>> gone
>> way
>> up.
>>
>> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it?
>> What
>> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
>> unimaginable
>
> If you're only just noticing those prices now, you must be living in
> some sort of a protective bubble!
>

I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through. But still,
what
do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
strong pet peeve of mine.


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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:52:47 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
>>> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
>>> with
>>> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls
>>> on
>>> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
>>> assorted
>>> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
>>> way
>>> up.
>>>
>>> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it?
>>> What
>>> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
>>> unimaginable
>>
>> If you're only just noticing those prices now, you must be living in
>> some sort of a protective bubble!
>>
>
> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through. But still,
> what
> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
> strong pet peeve of mine.

Safeway is currently selling 3 pounds of thin chops for $14.97. They do not
have Porterhouse but the Top Sirloin is $6.99 per pound.

Could there be something about these chops that we don't know? Could they
be organic or something?

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through.

So glad you have that kind of money to throw around on frozen meat.


> But still, what
> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
> strong pet peeve of mine.

There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
nobody has sticker shock.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through.
>
> So glad you have that kind of money to throw around on frozen meat.
>
>
>> But still, what
>> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
>> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
>> strong pet peeve of mine.
>
> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
> nobody has sticker shock.

Nobody? I'm sure somebody has. I quit eating meat for the most part back
in the 70's when I realized how expensive meat was as compared to other
sources of protein. And when I eat it now, it is mainly in restaurants. I
buy it for my husband and daughter because they actually like it. I'm not
so keen on it myself. But I do eat it once in a while at home. It does
seem to have gone up a lot recently though.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through.
>
> So glad you have that kind of money to throw around on frozen meat.
>
>
>> But still, what
>> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
>> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
>> strong pet peeve of mine.
>
> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
> nobody has sticker shock.

Maybe in the Bay Area, but there's sticker shock here, and a lot of meat
ends up in the reduced section.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through.
>>
>> So glad you have that kind of money to throw around on frozen meat.
>>
>>
>>> But still, what
>>> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn
>>> fine
>>> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been
>>> a
>>> strong pet peeve of mine.
>>
>> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
>> nobody has sticker shock.
>
> Maybe in the Bay Area, but there's sticker shock here, and a lot of meat
> ends up in the reduced section.

If you can afford to live in the Bay Area you can afford meat.



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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had a freezer full of Omaha Steaks I was going through.
>>
>> So glad you have that kind of money to throw around on frozen meat.
>>
>>
>>> But still, what
>>> do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn
>>> fine
>>> couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
>>> strong pet peeve of mine.
>>
>> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
>> nobody has sticker shock.
>
> Maybe in the Bay Area, but there's sticker shock here, and a lot of meat
> ends up in the reduced section.

I rarely see reduced meat. Albertsons does usually have a few packages but
their meat is nasty. Once or twice I found some at QFC. I was super
shocked to see the tiny amount of meat I got in my CSA package. Some kind
of steaks. They were super good but they were so insanely small that there
were only 5 bites each for husband and daughter. I'm sure that Angela would
have preferred more but she didn't really complain. Husband was just not
satisfied with that amount though. I knew he wouldn't be. When I opened
the package I knew that it wouldn't even be enough for him.

This coming week the only meat I ordered were 2 pounds of boneless chicken
thighs to make that man pleasing chicken and a pound of ground beef for
chili. The ground beef was super good. Target had Sutton and Dodge steaks
on sale. I got Top Sirloin. There were 2 steaks per package and each
package was $7.29. Did not look like high quality steak to me but I have
never gotten complaints about it.

On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:45:24 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >

> > But still, what
> > do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn fine
> > couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been a
> > strong pet peeve of mine.
>
>
> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
> nobody has sticker shock.
>

Actually, Raley's reprices short dated meat at a decent savings. Generally
I can pick up tonight's dinner protein at one when my wife is out of town.

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:45:24 PM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:19:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>
>> > But still, what
>> > do they do with all that unsold meat? For 14 bucks I can get a damn
>> > fine
>> > couple of choice cut Porterhouse steaks. Wasting meat has always been
>> > a
>> > strong pet peeve of mine.
>>
>>
>> There's no unsold meat here, it's been expensive for a long time and
>> nobody has sticker shock.
>>
>
> Actually, Raley's reprices short dated meat at a decent savings. Generally
> I can pick up tonight's dinner protein at one when my wife is out of town.

I agree about Raleys, they do have some really good buys on reduced meats at
times.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:52:47 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
>> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
>> with
>> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls
>> on
>> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
>> assorted
>> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
>> way
>> up.
>>
>> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it?
>> What
>> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
>> unimaginable
>
> If you're only just noticing those prices now, you must be living in
> some sort of a protective bubble!

Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it, they have
shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which was close to a month
ago.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...

> Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it, they have
> shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which was close to a
> month ago.

I have finally managed to cut down on our meat consumption. I don't eat
much of it myself and after Angela tried to eat vegetarian for a year, but
didn't quite make it, she doesn't want to eat much meat.

As for my husband, as long as he can see some meat, he's fine. Such as when
I made the bean with bacon soup.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it, they
>> have shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which was close to
>> a month ago.
>
> I have finally managed to cut down on our meat consumption. I don't eat
> much of it myself and after Angela tried to eat vegetarian for a year, but
> didn't quite make it, she doesn't want to eat much meat.
>
> As for my husband, as long as he can see some meat, he's fine. Such as
> when I made the bean with bacon soup.

I always feed dh meat, but he eats much smaller portions as he's gotten
older, so it's not a huge factor. I do eat more meat because of low carb,
but the portions aren't big at all, so we're not eating as much as we used
to for sure. I have been making a lot more soups in the past couple of years
so that stretches it too.

Cheri

On Friday, September 26, 2014 9:48:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >
>
> > "Cheri" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >
>
> >> Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it, they
>
> >> have shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which was close to
>
> >> a month ago.
>
> >
>
> > I have finally managed to cut down on our meat consumption. I don't eat
> > much of it myself and after Angela tried to eat vegetarian for a year, but
> > didn't quite make it, she doesn't want to eat much meat.
>
> > As for my husband, as long as he can see some meat, he's fine. Such as
> > when I made the bean with bacon soup.
>
> I always feed dh meat, but he eats much smaller portions as he's gotten
> older, so it's not a huge factor. I do eat more meat because of low carb,
> but the portions aren't big at all, so we're not eating as much as we used
> to for sure. I have been making a lot more soups in the past couple of years
> so that stretches it too.
>

We are not much interested in eating a big hunk o' meat these days.
When surrounded by vegetables and covered in sauce, thin slices of
meat are satisfying in stirfries; small cubes are satisfying in curries
in curries.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it, they
>>> have shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which was close
>>> to a month ago.
>>
>> I have finally managed to cut down on our meat consumption. I don't eat
>> much of it myself and after Angela tried to eat vegetarian for a year,
>> but didn't quite make it, she doesn't want to eat much meat.
>>
>> As for my husband, as long as he can see some meat, he's fine. Such as
>> when I made the bean with bacon soup.
>
> I always feed dh meat, but he eats much smaller portions as he's gotten
> older, so it's not a huge factor. I do eat more meat because of low carb,
> but the portions aren't big at all, so we're not eating as much as we used
> to for sure. I have been making a lot more soups in the past couple of
> years so that stretches it too.

Give his 'druthers, mine would eat huge portions of meat and some fruit like
watermelon. I told him not to get used to eating watermelon every day.
It's certainly not cheap the way he eats it. I did buy one at Costco and
cut it up. Not a personal sized one but a pretty big one. Filled up about
half of the fridge and was gone in less than a day. Nope. Not any more.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Not really, I buy a lot at once when it's on sale and freeze it,
> > they have shot up since the last time I bought beef or pork which
> > was close to a month ago.
>
> I have finally managed to cut down on our meat consumption. I don't
> eat much of it myself and after Angela tried to eat vegetarian for a
> year, but didn't quite make it, she doesn't want to eat much meat.
>
> As for my husband, as long as he can see some meat, he's fine. Such
> as when I made the bean with bacon soup.

We have a chest freezer for those loss leader meat sales. Cheap to
operate in the long run, you can get more of that loss leader sales
stuff. Key item to save with one is you really need a vacuum sealer to
make it last without freezerburn.

We are also low meat eaters based on average. I'd say we average 1/2lb
meat a week each most of the time. Sometimes more but if so, it's apt
to be fish.

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In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank warehouse.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
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> In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank
> warehouse.


Poor people are going to be eating a lot better than me. I can't afford
pork chops. I'll stick to rice and beans.


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On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:48:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank
> > warehouse.
>
>
> Poor people are going to be eating a lot better than me. I can't afford
> pork chops. I'll stick to rice and beans.

That's not a bad alternative. I love bean dishes, rice not so much -
but beans with a little meat of choice and some vegetables are fine by
me.




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On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:07:16 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 26-Sep-2014, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:48:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank
> > > > warehouse.
> > >
> > >
> > > Poor people are going to be eating a lot better than me. I can't afford
> > > pork chops. I'll stick to rice and beans.
> >
> > That's not a bad alternative. I love bean dishes, rice not so much -
> > but beans with a little meat of choice and some vegetables are fine by
> > me.
> At $1.99-$2.49 per pound, smoke pork shanks add a lot of meat and flavor to
> beans; I cook them often. Navy, great northern and pinto all benefit from a
> nice smoked shank.

Try some other preparations, like lamb with white beans or white bean
chicken chili sometime!

This is very tasty

Italian Sausage Soup

1 pound fresh Italian sweet or hot sausage, broken into big chunks
1 large onion, in large dice
2 cloves garlic (or more), finely diced
1 lb fresh greens such as spinach, chard or kale, washed and chopped
1 35 oz can Italian style or diced plain tomatoes (fresh, if it’s the
right season)
1 or 2 15.5 oz cans cannellini (or other) beans
1 tsp herbs such as oregano or Italian seasoning
1 quart chicken or beef stock (I add another half-liter of water to
it)

*You can use fewer greens and add other vegetables, like sliced
zucchini, to the mix
*Optional: ½ cup dry pasta (macaroni, penne), cooked al dente – keep
separate

Method

1. Preheat a large soup pot. Drizzle with olive oil. Brown the Italian
sausage. Add the onions and garlic. Sauté until tender. Drain any
accumulated grease or oil.
2. Then add the chopped greens, stock, cannellini beans, tomatoes and
herbs.
3. Heat through (kale will need more time to cook, so hold off on
adding the beans until it’s ready to go)
4. Place some pasta in the bottom of a soup bowl and ladle hot soup
over it – store leftovers separately so the pasta doesn’t get mushy
overnight.
5. Serve with garlic bread – I had trader Joe’s sourdough sandwich
bread on hand, not a baguette, and it worked out very well.

PS: I usually have beans boiled up and ready to go in the freezer.


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On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:34:58 -0700, sf > wrote:
snip
>
>This is very tasty
>
>Italian Sausage Soup
>
>1 pound fresh Italian sweet or hot sausage, broken into big chunks
>1 large onion, in large dice
>2 cloves garlic (or more), finely diced
>1 lb fresh greens such as spinach, chard or kale, washed and chopped
>1 35 oz can Italian style or diced plain tomatoes (fresh, if it’s the
>right season)
>1 or 2 15.5 oz cans cannellini (or other) beans
>1 tsp herbs such as oregano or Italian seasoning
>1 quart chicken or beef stock (I add another half-liter of water to
>it)
>
>*You can use fewer greens and add other vegetables, like sliced
>zucchini, to the mix
>*Optional: ½ cup dry pasta (macaroni, penne), cooked al dente – keep
>separate
>
>Method
>
>1. Preheat a large soup pot. Drizzle with olive oil. Brown the Italian
>sausage. Add the onions and garlic. Sauté until tender. Drain any
>accumulated grease or oil.
>2. Then add the chopped greens, stock, cannellini beans, tomatoes and
>herbs.
>3. Heat through (kale will need more time to cook, so hold off on
>adding the beans until it’s ready to go)
>4. Place some pasta in the bottom of a soup bowl and ladle hot soup
>over it – store leftovers separately so the pasta doesn’t get mushy
>overnight.
>5. Serve with garlic bread – I had trader Joe’s sourdough sandwich
>bread on hand, not a baguette, and it worked out very well.
>
>PS: I usually have beans boiled up and ready to go in the freezer.

thanks, I've saved it. Sounds good.
Janet US

On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:48:49 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank
>
> > warehouse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Poor people are going to be eating a lot better than me. I can't afford
>
> pork chops. I'll stick to rice and beans.

Believe me, you would NOT want to be in the shoes of the patrons of that food bank. They come in cars for which 'clunker' would be kind. I bet there are some days they don't even HAVE rice or beans.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:48:49 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > In my area, the big markets freezes and donates it to a food bank
>>
>> > warehouse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Poor people are going to be eating a lot better than me. I can't afford
>>
>> pork chops. I'll stick to rice and beans.
>
> Believe me, you would NOT want to be in the shoes of the patrons of that
> food bank. They come in cars for which 'clunker' would be kind. I bet
> there are some days they don't even HAVE rice or beans.

That's very sad. I was just checking out my food bank's website to see if
they had changed their wish list. They hadn't but now they have a
disclaimer that many of the people they are serving are homeless. And the
wish list is:

Food
Turkeys
Hams
Olives
Onions
Canned Milk
Top Ramen
Sugar
Jell-o
Cereal
Cocoa
Chili
Juice
Gravy Mixes
Brown Sugar
Chocolate Chips
Mushroom Soup

Yeah. I can just see those poor homeless people eating that thick
concentrated mushroom soup straight up, topping it off with some dry cereal
mixed with chocolate chips and brown sugar and swigging down some juice. Oh
wait! They do have the canned milk. *sigh*

On Friday, September 26, 2014 10:52:47 AM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
>
> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
>
> with
>
> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls on
>
> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
>
> assorted
>
> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
>
> way
>
> up.
>
>
>
> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it? What
>
> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
>
> unimaginable
>
>
>
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Depends on how much money you make. I buy a couple of tenderloins about twice a week and they run me about $20 for two. If you want them bad enough then cut spending somewhere else. I find it funny that people complain about something costing say $14 but don't think twice about spending $400 or more per month on car payments. Become debt free and you can eat whatever you want. We do!

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...

Depends on how much money you make. I buy a couple of tenderloins about
twice a week and they run me about $20 for two. If you want them bad enough
then cut spending somewhere else. I find it funny that people complain about
something costing say $14 but don't think twice about spending $400 or more
per month on car payments. Become debt free and you can eat whatever you
want. We do!

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Oh yes! Some of these complainers were the first to get one of those giant
TVs and they were probably the first to get a flat screen too. Some also
get new cell phones all the time. Have to have the latest and greatest!

Me? I'm not looking forward to the day when a flat screen TV is all I can
buy. The TV I have now is a nice place to put a pan of bread dough.
Generates just enough heat to make it rise well.

On Friday, September 26, 2014 3:37:10 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Chemo" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> Depends on how much money you make. I buy a couple of tenderloins about
>
> twice a week and they run me about $20 for two. If you want them bad enough
>
> then cut spending somewhere else. I find it funny that people complain about
>
> something costing say $14 but don't think twice about spending $400 or more
>
> per month on car payments. Become debt free and you can eat whatever you
>
> want. We do!
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Oh yes! Some of these complainers were the first to get one of those giant
>
> TVs and they were probably the first to get a flat screen too. Some also
>
> get new cell phones all the time. Have to have the latest and greatest!
>
>
>
> Me? I'm not looking forward to the day when a flat screen TV is all I can
>
> buy. The TV I have now is a nice place to put a pan of bread dough.
>
> Generates just enough heat to make it rise well.

Once again the point just goes "WHOOOOOOSH!!!" right over your (probably misshapen) head.

On 9/26/2014 5:09 PM, l not -l wrote:

> Or, drive a Prius or other high-mpg car instead of an SUV and savings in gas
> and insurance will cover a lot of good meat.
>

What savings? I've run the numbers and the premium you pay for a hybrid
outweighs the fuel savings. Better for most of us to buy a sensible
sized car.

On 9/26/2014 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/26/2014 5:09 PM, l not -l wrote:
>
>> Or, drive a Prius or other high-mpg car instead of an SUV and savings
>> in gas
>> and insurance will cover a lot of good meat.
>>
>
> What savings? I've run the numbers and the premium you pay for a hybrid
> outweighs the fuel savings. Better for most of us to buy a sensible
> sized car.

Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.

On 9/27/2014 6:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
> they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
> popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
> tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
> unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.

I'd consider an electric if I was in a city or all short range driving.
I'm curious though, how well the heat and AC is in them. Most cars
have rather good heating from waste engine heat and good capacity AC
that can handle triple digit temps.

I've seen an all black Chevy Volt around here and wonder how it is in
the summer sun. Takes a lot of energy to cook down a hot cabin.

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:05:19 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/27/2014 6:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
>
> > they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
>
> > popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
>
> > tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
>
> > unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.
>
>
>
> I'd consider an electric if I was in a city or all short range driving.
>
> I'm curious though, how well the heat and AC is in them. Most cars
>
> have rather good heating from waste engine heat and good capacity AC
>
> that can handle triple digit temps.
>

My wife and I could probably use a golf cart to get to work. We both work "down the street." For the past year, I've been going over the hill to work part time but that's less than 25 mile round trip.

Getting a good AC in an electric sounds a little tricky without having a big engine to run a pump. OTOH, automotive AC systems tend to be troublesome - hopefully, they'll come up with something that more efficient and more resistant to leaking out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDF_COU1OJI

>
>
> I've seen an all black Chevy Volt around here and wonder how it is in
>
> the summer sun. Takes a lot of energy to cook down a hot cabin.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:18:09 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 27-Sep-2014, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 9/26/2014 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 9/26/2014 5:09 PM, l not -l wrote:
>> >
>> >> Or, drive a Prius or other high-mpg car instead of an SUV and savings
>> >> in gas
>> >> and insurance will cover a lot of good meat.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What savings? I've run the numbers and the premium you pay for a hybrid
>> > outweighs the fuel savings. Better for most of us to buy a sensible
>> > sized car.
>>
>> Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
>> they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
>> popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
>> tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
>> unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.
>I think all-electric would be great, if it fit my needs. As soon as I can
>"refuel" anywhere I need, as fast as I can with gasoline, I'll buy one.

People forget that generating electric polutes too. Wait'll you find
out how much it costs to recharge an electric vehicle. Solar is very
inefficient, half of every day is night, and solar sleeps on cloudy,
rainy, snowy days. Also solar panels are pricey and deteriorate
rapidly... solar is not the answer.

On 9/27/2014 8:43 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> People forget that generating electric pollutes too. Wait'll you find
> out how much it costs to recharge an electric vehicle. Solar is very
> inefficient, half of every day is night, and solar sleeps on cloudy,
> rainy, snowy days. Also solar panels are pricey and deteriorate
> rapidly... solar is not the answer.
>
`
The only advantage of electricity is the efficiency. Internal
combustion engines are very inefficient wasting much of the potential
power. Generating electricity pollutes less per kw of power actually
used.

Too many disadvantages right now, but it may improve in a couple more
decades. Charge time, cost to buy, range of driving are holding it back.

"l not -l" > wrote in message
eb.com...
>
> On 27-Sep-2014, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 9/26/2014 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 9/26/2014 5:09 PM, l not -l wrote:
>> >
>> >> Or, drive a Prius or other high-mpg car instead of an SUV and savings
>> >> in gas
>> >> and insurance will cover a lot of good meat.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What savings? I've run the numbers and the premium you pay for a
>> > hybrid
>> > outweighs the fuel savings. Better for most of us to buy a sensible
>> > sized car.
>>
>> Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
>> they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
>> popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
>> tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
>> unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.
> I think all-electric would be great, if it fit my needs. As soon as I can
> "refuel" anywhere I need, as fast as I can with gasoline, I'll buy one.

Here, they have those refueling things at one of the Walgreens. Appears to
be free but I really don't know how they work. Have never seen them
anywhere else nor have I seen them being used. Odd thing is, that parking
lot has a 20 minute limit. I wouldn't think being plugged in for 20 minutes
would do much.

On 9/28/2014 12:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


> Here, they have those refueling things at one of the Walgreens. Appears
> to be free but I really don't know how they work. Have never seen them
> anywhere else nor have I seen them being used. Odd thing is, that
> parking lot has a 20 minute limit. I wouldn't think being plugged in
> for 20 minutes would do much.

I've seen that a nearby restaurant chain also. There are two types of
chargers, a fast (but expensive) one and a regular 110V plug in that
takes all night. Maybe it is enough to top you off for the trip to the
restaurant.

To me, it is a gimmick to give fuel to a few customers in hopes they
will patronize you while allegedly good for the environment. Electric
car owners are also skipping out on road taxes, but that will be taken
care of at some point.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:18:09 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

> I think all-electric would be great, if it fit my needs. As soon as I can
> "refuel" anywhere I need, as fast as I can with gasoline, I'll buy one.

That's the problem. Even a quick charge (not many of those around
here) takes 30 minutes and it doesn't put the battery at 100%.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:18:09 PM UTC-10, l not -l wrote:
> On 27-Sep-2014, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 9/26/2014 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > > On 9/26/2014 5:09 PM, l not -l wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >> Or, drive a Prius or other high-mpg car instead of an SUV and savings
>
> > >> in gas
>
> > >> and insurance will cover a lot of good meat.
>
> > >>
>
> > >
>
> > > What savings? I've run the numbers and the premium you pay for a hybrid
>
> > > outweighs the fuel savings. Better for most of us to buy a sensible
>
> > > sized car.
>
> >
>
> > Hybrids are engineering monstrosities but they are important because
>
> > they serve as the entry point for fully electric vehicles. They are
>
> > popular in Hawaii but our short trips and low annual mileages seem
>
> > tailor-made for the electric car. Hybrids are going to be fairly
>
> > unpopular once we get a better selection of electrics on the market.
>
> I think all-electric would be great, if it fit my needs. As soon as I can
>
> "refuel" anywhere I need, as fast as I can with gasoline, I'll buy one.

Some people could go with an electric vehicle right now, with other folks, it's going to take a while before an electric will be the right tool for the job. OTOH, the reasons for reasons for moving towards electrics are quite compelling from a manufacturing standpoint - that's why electrics will prevail.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
> with
> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls on
> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
> assorted
> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
> way
> up.
>
> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it? What
> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
> unimaginable

I am shocked at some of the prices that have gone up quickly, because I
usually stock up on sale, but it's ridiculous. When it gets to be close to
the SBD, it will go to the reduced meat section for about the price it
should be in the first place.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>> So I am at the market dodging kids on rollerblades, shoppers who block
>> aisles with their butts and their carts, workers trying to run me down
>> with
>> 8 foot tall racks of bread. As I walk by the meat section my eye falls
>> on
>> the pork. Actually my eyes almost fell out. Two pound packages of
>> assorted
>> chops - 14.00. I had not looked at prices in a month and they have gone
>> way
>> up.
>>
>> So few people are going to pay that price. Why even try to sell it?
>> What
>> will they do when it reaches the sell by date? The waste must be
>> unimaginable
>
> I am shocked at some of the prices that have gone up quickly, because I
> usually stock up on sale, but it's ridiculous. When it gets to be close to
> the SBD, it will go to the reduced meat section for about the price it
> should be in the first place.

I just stopped by Haggen because I realized after I was checking out at
Target that I had forgotten to buy coleslaw mix. This particular store used
to be Top Foods but they are owned by the same company and they sold the
Haggen brand which aside from an occasional really good sale, they didn't
have very good prices. They did have a salad bar that was outstanding when
the stores first opened but as the years went by got more and more expensive
while offering less and less things.

I thought I was familiar with Haggen as there used to be a small one within
walking distance of our house when I was growing up. We rarely ever did a
full grocery shop there but if my mom noticed that she was out of something,
that's where she would send me to get it.

But now? They appear to be wanting to be Whole Foods or something. Totally
different layout. Now they have an exotic cheese section with super high
prices. $5.99 for a sandwich on regular plain bread. Nothing special about
it at all. $3.29 for a breakfast burrito that I can get elsewhere for
$1.39. Tic Tacs, $1.50 while they are $1.04 across the street at Target. I
did buy a few other things only because they were either out of them at
Target or I just didn't see them. Target has been remodeled some since last
week as well. They have some of their Christmas stuff in and they have
added some self check registers.

The parking lot where Haggen is was totally full but there are a lot of
other stores in there. I didn't see many people in the store though.
Nobody buying their fancy, hot pizza slices or taking advantage of their
steam table Asian foods. The bulk foods have been changed so now instead of
the clean containers with a spout, they have containers that open on the top
and have a scoop. Just the right kind of container for a kid to stick their
hands in. No thanks!

I did look briefly at the meats hoping they would have the Carne Deshebrada
that Top Foods used to sell. Nope. Nothing like that. I just whipped
right on through there.

It was dinner time too so you'd think they would be busy. But the few
people I saw who were checking out were buying two bags of stuff or less.
Most far less. I don't blame them. I can't see them lasting very long with
prices like that. Yes, you might find a few gourmet items that you won't
find elsewhere. At least not in Woodinville. But I doubt that I'll be
back. I didn't even get a membership card.

On Friday, September 26, 2014 11:08:20 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I just stopped by Haggen because I realized after I was checking out at
>
> Target that I had forgotten to buy coleslaw mix.

What the **** is "coleslaw mix"? Buy a head of cabbage, dipshit.

Make way for the 78927492074892793472957499573894723894720-word dissertation on why you and/or your retarded family can't eat cabbage, and you can't be bothered to cut it up yourself.

Go huff a tailpipe, dumb ****.