Cheryl wrote:
> On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be careful
>> with the portion size. I just bought a huge bag for $1.28 but am
>> going to give most of them away. Potatoes are not allowed on my
>> daughter's (South Beach) diet. And I can't eat all of those by
>> myself. But I want to make a vegetable soup and they will go well
>> in there. So in the case of a soup or a stew, I tend to put much
>> more of the low carb things and a small amount of potatoes.
>>
>> If I am doing hash browns, I add a lot of red and green bell peppers
>> and onion.
>>
>> If I do something like a Shepherd's or Cottage pie then I put a thin
>> layer of potatoes. So I still have them but I have less than I used
>> to.
>
> I'm making scalloped potatoes to go with our Easter ham, and I usually
> wouldn't add onions because of the kids, but I'm going to add them
> this time so I can have a small portion. The kids can skip them or
> pick out the onions if they don't want them.

See there, I am lucky! People always told me never to add onions to food
for kids because they wouldn't like it. I just started Angela out eating
onions. I guess to her that is what food is. If mom is cooking it, there
is bound to be onions in it! Granted she doesn't like big chunks of onions.
So if I am cooking it for her I will try to mince the onion finely. But
it's going to be in there. And she eats it. And she doesn't complain.

Now my FIL had severe onion issues. For him it was the texture that he
hated. Said they were slimy. My MIL often made Pierogies that were served
with lots of butter and browned onions which she cut in large pieces. Just
watching him trying to eat that dish could be comical. Not for him, though,
I'm sure. Apparently the onions really gave him grief. Funny thing is, he
always had a big garden and onions were something that he grew! He did eat
my food though and I did sometimes put onions in it. I did not cook the
same foods for them that I would necessarily have made at home, knowing that
he didn't like onions. But if I felt that they needed to be there for
flavor, I would use them but be sure to mince them finely. He never
objected to that.

You could perhaps make two smaller dishes of potatoes, one with and one
without onions or just put onions in one half. Of course this is the sort
of thing that kids would normally object to. Ew! Your onions got in MY
half! Or just cut them in large pieces so that they can eat around them. I
do a potato dish by Gordon Ramsey that has slices of onion and potato. My
SIL the onion hater has eaten it twice, just picking out the potatoes. She
liked it.

I am speechless at some of what I just read :-)

A good website is diabetesdaily.com which is where I was first inspired
to try low carb. Their forums are good and have many home experimental
recipes.

You need to take into account when reading other (diabetic) posters
whether they are taking meds for their diabetes. Taking meds is not
normal but it becomes the norm in their mind which is why what they
currently eat sounds pretty odd to a low-carbing non-medicated diabetic.

For perspective, oblivious undiagnoseed diabetics who first get
diagnosed at the emergency room sometimes have blood sugars ranging from
800 to 1500.

100 used to be considered normal. Prediabetic/diabetic was around 140.
These specifications are for blood draws done after fasting-usually
fasting is 12hrs.
The AMA perhaps in collusion with insurance companies dropped and
dropped and dropped the cutoff numbers for normal, pre, and diabetic.

I was at 100 unmedicated 35yrs ago when I was 40lbs overweight. It's
progressive with age, decreased activity, increased carb consumption,
weight gain. But it is also genetic.

There are 400-500 lb people walking around in America who are NOT
diabetic....

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:29:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:17:21 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your diet,
>>
>> I have to disagree with that - the thing about carbs is that before
>> the advent of agriculture, carbs were a very scarce and precious
>> commodity in nature. Now with agricultrue, we've gone to the opposite
>> extreme... too many, way too many carbs easily available. Not good
>> when your body is still hard-wired to crave carbs because they used to
>> be very scarce before agriculture. But, given enough time you can wean
>> yourself off to a level that works for you.
>
>And how long did people live prior to agriculture? And please don't tell me
>that they were offed by a dinosaur or a saber toothed tiger.

The most common cause of death back then was due to physical trauma,
not ill health due to diet. Dinosaurs? 10000 years is a blink of an
eye in terms of human evolution.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:20:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>But... There are two schools of thought there. One is that celiac has
>always existed but we now have better testing methods so more people are
>getting diagnosed. The other is that grains have changed over the years and
>that the wheat we are eating now is not the same wheat that they ate in
>biblical times.

One can still buy Kamut and Spelt flour (basically earlier forms of
wheat before we started breeding for higher gluten content). I still
react to those, albeit much better than with modern wheat. Spelt is
okay IMO, but Kamut is just too primitive/crude.

z z wrote:
> I am speechless at some of what I just read :-)
>
> A good website is diabetesdaily.com which is where I was first
> inspired to try low carb. Their forums are good and have many home
> experimental recipes.
>
> You need to take into account when reading other (diabetic) posters
> whether they are taking meds for their diabetes. Taking meds is not
> normal but it becomes the norm in their mind which is why what they
> currently eat sounds pretty odd to a low-carbing non-medicated
> diabetic.
>
> For perspective, oblivious undiagnoseed diabetics who first get
> diagnosed at the emergency room sometimes have blood sugars ranging
> from 800 to 1500.
>
> 100 used to be considered normal. Prediabetic/diabetic was around 140.
> These specifications are for blood draws done after fasting-usually
> fasting is 12hrs.
> The AMA perhaps in collusion with insurance companies dropped and
> dropped and dropped the cutoff numbers for normal, pre, and diabetic.
>
> I was at 100 unmedicated 35yrs ago when I was 40lbs overweight. It's
> progressive with age, decreased activity, increased carb consumption,
> weight gain. But it is also genetic.
>
> There are 400-500 lb people walking around in America who are NOT
> diabetic....

Taking meds might not be normal but in many cases it is warranted! My
daughter is only a pre-diabetic and she takes meds. But as I have said
before, her highest number has been 97. Her A1cs are perfectly normal. But
she produces too much insulin. And for that she takes meds.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:20:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> But... There are two schools of thought there. One is that celiac
>> has always existed but we now have better testing methods so more
>> people are getting diagnosed. The other is that grains have changed
>> over the years and that the wheat we are eating now is not the same
>> wheat that they ate in biblical times.
>
> One can still buy Kamut and Spelt flour (basically earlier forms of
> wheat before we started breeding for higher gluten content). I still
> react to those, albeit much better than with modern wheat. Spelt is
> okay IMO, but Kamut is just too primitive/crude.

Yes you can buy them but they're not commonly used.

When it comes to diabetes, the best home solution is to eat right. That means going on a diet, not necessarily cut down on all good foods instead focusing on the right ones to keep you right. That's what I did when I got this cookbook from a friend. It has helped me beyond my wildest imagination.

http://cooklikeacaveman.com/paleo-cookbook-review/

I hope it does with you guys as well.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:03:14 -0500
Opple Ipad > wrote:

> Hey wait, isn't there a supplement on the market, not tested and
> proven to do as advertised, that would do the job instead? I am sure
> Julie could help with that.
>
> Oh just lump them all into one pill, sorry, "capsule" made from all
> natural ingredients, and call it Essence Of Idiocrasy".

That is not Julie, perhaps you mean me or trig?

I don't take any supplements specifically for diabetes, although I
tried a few. I have found bodybuilding supplements very effective
at boosting my strength though. This allows me to exercise more. It
has paid back in recovering from muscular atrophy caused by neuropathy.

My FBG was 80 this morning, and it peaked at 90 after my breakfast
potato. I won't be needing your advice on taking insulin. Thank
you very much.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>> In this case I don't think the person did it on purpose to be mean or
>> nasty or whatever. I think he was just clueless.
>
> I agree, but I was just making the point and he ought to be aware of how
> it
> is looked down on by other posters.

Yes.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:28:09 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>>On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be careful
>>> with
>>> the portion size.
>
> Not if they're not eaten very often... pigging out on spuds once a
> month won't wreck a diet nearly so much as eating a limited quantity
> every day. I enjoy potatoes and like to eat all I want but I eat
> spuds at most twice a month. My favorite preparations involve mostly
> potato and very little fatty additions; I like baked/boiled with low
> fat yogurt and herbs. It's rare that I eat fried potatoes and I'm not
> a big fan of what folks call mashed (really whipped), I prefer boiled
> spuds with yogurt rough mashed in my plate with a fork, more lumps the
> better.

If you have diabetes you have to watch your carbs all the time. And you
can't ever pig out.

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0500, jay > wrote:

>In article >, Gary > wrote:
>
>> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your diet,
>
>Yes, if you want a nice set of man boobs.

If you're a couch potato who's only exercise is the tv remote.
A person can eat all the carbs they want if they get up off their ass
and do something that breaks a sweat... when did you last plant a
tree, weed a garden, clear brush, paint a room, shovel snow...
probably never.

Gary wrote:
> Last weekend (Sat & Sun) I tried an experiment on myself.
>
> Scenario: What if my doctor told me I had diabetes but for now I could
> maybe control it with diet and exercise.
>
> So I went the two days trying to cut the carbs out of every thing that I
> ate.
>
> ARRGHHHH! What a culinary nightmare those 2 days were for me. Every time I
> got the urge to eat something, I realized that it was a high carb meal so I
> cut out most of "the good stuff."
>
> I cut out way many carbs but I suspect I would have to do even better if I
> actually had a health issue.
>
> For now, I plan to cut down on the carbs but if I'm ever told to cut them
> out almost completely, I think I'll go visit Dr.Kevorkian maybe. arrghhh
>
> Bottom line with me: eating very low carb is very hard to do and be
> satisfied. My hat is off to those of you that have to do this every day.
> oh man
>
> G.

Well, perhaps it has been said, but for me, anyway, it seems hard
in the very beginning, but you adapt and don't have carb cravings.
You also adapt your recipes, learn how to work around carby
ingredients, and discover new delights that some folks would
dismiss as being too fatty. Sure, there are things you can't
eat/shouldn't eat, but there are plenty of choices. And the goal
is not ZERO grams of carbohydrates. It probably isn't even as low
as 20 grams per day, as per classic induction.

--
Jean B.

ImStillMags wrote:
> On Mar 28, 3:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
>> Last weekend (Sat & Sun) I tried an experiment on myself.
>>
>> Scenario: What if my doctor told me I had diabetes but for now I could
>> maybe control it with diet and exercise.
>>
>> So I went the two days trying to cut the carbs out of every thing that I
>> ate.
>>
>> ARRGHHHH! What a culinary nightmare those 2 days were for me. Every time I
>> got the urge to eat something, I realized that it was a high carb meal so I
>> cut out most of "the good stuff."
>>
>> I cut out way many carbs but I suspect I would have to do even better if I
>> actually had a health issue.
>>
>> For now, I plan to cut down on the carbs but if I'm ever told to cut them
>> out almost completely, I think I'll go visit Dr.Kevorkian maybe. arrghhh
>>
>> Bottom line with me: eating very low carb is very hard to do and be
>> satisfied. My hat is off to those of you that have to do this every day.
>> oh man
>>
>> G.
>
> There is a transition period where you really miss the things you are
> addicted to like bread, pasta, white foods like rice and potatoes, but
> after a bit you begin to realize all the good stuff you can eat like
> high protein meats, fish, poultry, fresh vegetables, salads, etc.
> Once you stay on a primal/paleo diet for a few weeks you will realize
> how much better you feel and look and your doctor will be amazed at
> how good your blood sugar is.
>
> Trust me, I know.
>
Yup. The transition period can be hard. But then it gets much
easier. I also should add that I eat fruit, but I separate it
from other foods, a la Montignac. That has made this much more
doable.

--
Jean B.

Gary wrote:
> Susan wrote:
>> Increasingly low carb since 1998, tightly controlling diabetes with no
>> meds in normal numbers, which reversed long standing kidney and nerve
>> damage.
>
> Good for you! :-D
>
>
>> Low carbing a couple of days and saying it's no good is just goofy, it's
>> a huge change, and my diet evolved over a decade of documenting my
>> foods, their effects on my well being and glucose.
>
> You must be referring to me....I ate low carb for 2 days last weekend. I
> didn't say it's no good, I said that it was really hard to adjust to. I
> tried it just to see what it would be like. I was just surprised at how
> much "normal food" I had to reduce or eliminate. Every thing I planned to
> eat, I realized that it contained too many carbs.
>
> And thanks to all that responded to my post. I plan to cut down slowly.
> Since this past weekend, I tend to eliminate some of the carbs that I never
> thought about before. Bread is the main issue for me.
>
> G.

In the beginning, it IS hard to adjust to. You didn't give it
nearly enough time to get over the hump.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0500, jay > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your diet,
> >
> >Yes, if you want a nice set of man boobs.
>
> If you're a couch potato who's only exercise is the tv remote.
> A person can eat all the carbs they want if they get up off their ass
> and do something that breaks a sweat... when did you last plant a
> tree, weed a garden, clear brush, paint a room, shovel snow...
> probably never.

Thank you, Sheldon. That's what I was going to say. The man boobs come
after you get a fat ass from eating more calories than you burn. Carbs are
not evil.

Diabetics need not respond. You ppl live in a different world where carbs
can be evil. For normal people complex carbs are good for you, eaten
responsibly. For normal healthy people, carbs should make up to 65% of your
diet.

I do have cites for that if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.

G.

Gary wrote:

> For normal people complex carbs are good for you,

I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs should I
have per day?

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
>
> I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs should I
> have per day?

About time for you to show up, George. heheh candy has simple carbs and
not good for you. You should know that by now.

G.

Gary wrote:

> > > For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
> >
> > I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs should I
> > have per day?
>
> About time for you to show up, George. heheh candy has simple carbs and
> not good for you. You should know that by now.

That's not helpful. Go to your room and sulk.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Gary wrote:
>
>> For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
>
> I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs
> should I
> have per day?
>
>

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Gary wrote:
>
>> For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
>
> I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs
> should I
> have per day?

How big are the eggs? Are they filled with something?

In article >,
says...
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
>
> I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs should I
> have per day?

Count as you eat, until you throw up. Subtract one from the total. The
remainder is your maximum daily recommended intake of easter eggs.

Janet UK

On Monday, April 1, 2013 10:35:57 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:28:09 -0400, Cheryl >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be careful
>
> >>> with
>
> >>> the portion size.
>
> >
>
> > Not if they're not eaten very often... pigging out on spuds once a
>
> > month won't wreck a diet nearly so much as eating a limited quantity
>
> > every day. I enjoy potatoes and like to eat all I want but I eat
>
> > spuds at most twice a month. My favorite preparations involve mostly
>
> > potato and very little fatty additions; I like baked/boiled with low
>
> > fat yogurt and herbs. It's rare that I eat fried potatoes and I'm not
>
> > a big fan of what folks call mashed (really whipped), I prefer boiled
>
> > spuds with yogurt rough mashed in my plate with a fork, more lumps the
>
> > better.
>
>
>
> If you have diabetes you have to watch your carbs all the time. And you
>
> can't ever pig out.

Then why are you and your daughter so...fat?

wrote:
> On Monday, April 1, 2013 10:35:57 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:28:09 -0400, Cheryl >
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be
>>>>> careful
>>
>>>>> with
>>
>>>>> the portion size.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Not if they're not eaten very often... pigging out on spuds once a
>>
>>> month won't wreck a diet nearly so much as eating a limited quantity
>>
>>> every day. I enjoy potatoes and like to eat all I want but I eat
>>
>>> spuds at most twice a month. My favorite preparations involve
>>> mostly
>>
>>> potato and very little fatty additions; I like baked/boiled with low
>>
>>> fat yogurt and herbs. It's rare that I eat fried potatoes and I'm
>>> not
>>
>>> a big fan of what folks call mashed (really whipped), I prefer
>>> boiled
>>
>>> spuds with yogurt rough mashed in my plate with a fork, more lumps
>>> the
>>
>>> better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have diabetes you have to watch your carbs all the time. And
>> you
>>
>> can't ever pig out.
>
> Then why are you and your daughter so...fat?

FOAD!

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 1, 2013 10:35:57 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> ...
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:28:09 -0400, Cheryl >
>
> >>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be
>
> >>>>> careful
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> with
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> the portion size.
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Not if they're not eaten very often... pigging out on spuds once a
>
> >>
>
> >>> month won't wreck a diet nearly so much as eating a limited quantity
>
> >>
>
> >>> every day. I enjoy potatoes and like to eat all I want but I eat
>
> >>
>
> >>> spuds at most twice a month. My favorite preparations involve
>
> >>> mostly
>
> >>
>
> >>> potato and very little fatty additions; I like baked/boiled with low
>
> >>
>
> >>> fat yogurt and herbs. It's rare that I eat fried potatoes and I'm
>
> >>> not
>
> >>
>
> >>> a big fan of what folks call mashed (really whipped), I prefer
>
> >>> boiled
>
> >>
>
> >>> spuds with yogurt rough mashed in my plate with a fork, more lumps
>
> >>> the
>
> >>
>
> >>> better.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> If you have diabetes you have to watch your carbs all the time. And
>
> >> you
>
> >>
>
> >> can't ever pig out.
>
> >
>
> > Then why are you and your daughter so...fat?
>
>
>
> FOAD!

I'm sorry. Obese. I meant that your precious flower Angela is obese. And your pathological ideas about food caused it.

wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2013 10:35:57 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:28:09 -0400, Cheryl >
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On 3/29/2013 11:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I love potatoes too and I still eat them but I do have to be
>>
>>>>>>> careful
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> the portion size.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> Not if they're not eaten very often... pigging out on spuds once a
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> month won't wreck a diet nearly so much as eating a limited
>>>>> quantity
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> every day. I enjoy potatoes and like to eat all I want but I eat
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> spuds at most twice a month. My favorite preparations involve
>>
>>>>> mostly
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> potato and very little fatty additions; I like baked/boiled with
>>>>> low
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> fat yogurt and herbs. It's rare that I eat fried potatoes and I'm
>>
>>>>> not
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> a big fan of what folks call mashed (really whipped), I prefer
>>
>>>>> boiled
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> spuds with yogurt rough mashed in my plate with a fork, more lumps
>>
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> better.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> If you have diabetes you have to watch your carbs all the time.
>>>> And
>>
>>>> you
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> can't ever pig out.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Then why are you and your daughter so...fat?
>>
>>
>>
>> FOAD!
>
> I'm sorry. Obese. I meant that your precious flower Angela is obese.
> And your pathological ideas about food caused it.

FOAD again! For all we know, you're grossly obese!

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:48:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0500, jay > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your diet,
>> >
>> >Yes, if you want a nice set of man boobs.
>>
>> If you're a couch potato who's only exercise is the tv remote.
>> A person can eat all the carbs they want if they get up off their ass
>> and do something that breaks a sweat... when did you last plant a
>> tree, weed a garden, clear brush, paint a room, shovel snow...
>> probably never.
>
>Thank you, Sheldon. That's what I was going to say. The man boobs come
>after you get a fat ass from eating more calories than you burn. Carbs are
>not evil.
>
>Diabetics need not respond. You ppl live in a different world where carbs
>can be evil. For normal people complex carbs are good for you, eaten
>responsibly. For normal healthy people, carbs should make up to 65% of your
>diet.
>
>I do have cites for that if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.

65%. LOL.

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:59:29 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:48:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0500, jay > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >In article >, Gary > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your
>>>> >> diet,
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, if you want a nice set of man boobs.
>>>>
>>>> If you're a couch potato who's only exercise is the tv remote.
>>>> A person can eat all the carbs they want if they get up off their ass
>>>> and do something that breaks a sweat... when did you last plant a
>>>> tree, weed a garden, clear brush, paint a room, shovel snow...
>>>> probably never.
>>>
>>>Thank you, Sheldon. That's what I was going to say. The man boobs come
>>>after you get a fat ass from eating more calories than you burn. Carbs
>>>are
>>>not evil.
>>>
>>>Diabetics need not respond. You ppl live in a different world where carbs
>>>can be evil. For normal people complex carbs are good for you, eaten
>>>responsibly. For normal healthy people, carbs should make up to 65% of
>>>your
>>>diet.
>>>
>>>I do have cites for that if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.
>>
>>65%. LOL.
>
> "For good health, a general recommendation is that 45 to 65 percent of
> your total daily caloric intake should come from carbohydrates, says
> the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
>
> Quoted from:
> http://www.livestrong.com/article/45...-healthy-diet/
>
> I don't know, but that's the first thing I found.
>
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> John

My dietician says everyone needs a minimum of 130 grams per day.

This might not be up to the standards of most of the people here, but
while I was at the grocery store today I saw a special feature of Better
Homes and Gardens "Low carb cooking" mag. So I bought it. Flipping
through it, I can see a lot of subs I'd make, but it's good for some
ideas at least. For example, I always make lasagna with the noodles
completely covering each layer and even overlapping so they don't come
apart. There's a recipe in there that uses a total of 6 lasagna
noodles. It has meatballs on the lower layer so that one is thick with
meat, and it's 3 layers deep with 2 noodles for each layer, and while
they didn't give the pan size, it isn't a small one. Mine comes out
more pasta than anything else I guess, along with the gobs of cheese.
This had more meat and even a layer of roasted sweet peppers which I've
learned I like in yellow or orange.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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> This might not be up to the standards of most of the people here, but
> while I was at the grocery store today I saw a special feature of Better
> Homes and Gardens "Low carb cooking" mag. So I bought it. Flipping
> through it, I can see a lot of subs I'd make, but it's good for some ideas
> at least. For example, I always make lasagna with the noodles completely
> covering each layer and even overlapping so they don't come apart.
> There's a recipe in there that uses a total of 6 lasagna noodles. It has
> meatballs on the lower layer so that one is thick with meat, and it's 3
> layers deep with 2 noodles for each layer, and while they didn't give the
> pan size, it isn't a small one. Mine comes out more pasta than anything
> else I guess, along with the gobs of cheese. This had more meat and even a
> layer of roasted sweet peppers which I've learned I like in yellow or
> orange.

I don't like meat in mine but always put a layer of zucchini in there. I
also added tons of peppers, onions and sometimes even mushrooms in my sauce.
My husband's Italian family all loved it. Mine was low carb enough that
when I ate it, I would usually have to eat additional carbs like a piece of
chocolate because it just wasn't enough carbs for me.

I recently saw Christina Pirello make a cheeseless vegan lasagna. She said
*not* to put tofu in there because it doesn't belong! She did individual
ones. I don't think I have any baking dishes that would work for that. She
used deep round ones. She cooked the pasta first, cut it in pieces that
were slightly smaller than the dishes and layered it with red sauce and
plenty of veggies like peppers. I can't remember now if she cooked those
first or not. Perhaps just slightly. But there were only three pieces of
pasta per dish so the equivalent of just one noodle for each dish. She did
put some slices of vegan cheese on at the end, across the top but said that
this was not necessary. I intend to look for some baking dishes like she
used. Should have bought them at Target when they had them on clearance
before Christmas! I think this would make an excellent side dish.
Daughter's main complaint about lasagna is that it is too cheesy. So this
would likely work for both of us! Would just have to serve some meat on the
side. This would actually work with meat in the sauce. I haven't ever
tried just meat and no cheese. I just don't really like meat and cheese
together for most things.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:04:03 +1100, John J > wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:59:29 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:48:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0500, jay > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >In article >, Gary > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I still believe that carbs should be the larger percent of your diet,
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, if you want a nice set of man boobs.
>>>>
>>>> If you're a couch potato who's only exercise is the tv remote.
>>>> A person can eat all the carbs they want if they get up off their ass
>>>> and do something that breaks a sweat... when did you last plant a
>>>> tree, weed a garden, clear brush, paint a room, shovel snow...
>>>> probably never.
>>>
>>>Thank you, Sheldon. That's what I was going to say. The man boobs come
>>>after you get a fat ass from eating more calories than you burn. Carbs are
>>>not evil.
>>>
>>>Diabetics need not respond. You ppl live in a different world where carbs
>>>can be evil. For normal people complex carbs are good for you, eaten
>>>responsibly. For normal healthy people, carbs should make up to 65% of your
>>>diet.
>>>
>>>I do have cites for that if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.
>>
>>65%. LOL.
>
>"For good health, a general recommendation is that 45 to 65 percent of
>your total daily caloric intake should come from carbohydrates, says
>the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
>
>Quoted from:
>http://www.livestrong.com/article/45...-healthy-diet/
>
>I don't know, but that's the first thing I found.

Thanks for looking that up. With all due respect, I find the idea of
65% of your diet being carbs really, really excessive. But then, I
tend to disagree with a lot of mainstream/conventional dietary advice.

"John J" > wrote in message
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> I agree 65% sounds like a lot. Maybe if I was a lumberjack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE

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> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:13:44 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"John J" > wrote in message
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>>
>>> I agree 65% sounds like a lot. Maybe if I was a lumberjack...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE
>
> LOL, I don't know if I'd be exactly that kind of lumberjack.

;o) I'll take your word for that)
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Janet wrote:

> > > For normal people complex carbs are good for you,
> >
> > I need practical advice, please. How many after-Easter chocolate eggs should I
> > have per day?
>
> Count as you eat, until you throw up. Subtract one from the total. The
> remainder is your maximum daily recommended intake of easter eggs.

Your arithmetic is crude, but I think you're in the ballpark.

jay wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >For normal people complex carbs are good for you, eaten
> >responsibly.
>
> How do you eat complex carbs responsibly?

That means eat your carbs but watch the calories, Mr.Clueless.
It's the calories eaten vs the calories burned (and exercise helps) that
decides whether you look good or have a fat ass.

>
> >I do have cites for that if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.
>
> Post 'em.

One has already been posted. Look for more for yourself, lazy boy.

One good source for a clue about diet, nutrition and exercise try this book
sometime.
"The Complete Book of Fitness" (C-1999) by the Editors of Fitness Magazine.

Everyone should try this book (free from the library). Give it a read and
see what you think. It covers it all.

G.

Gary blathered:

> You, my dear, seem to have a closed mind and just shrug off other opinions.

What happened to the Casebook Of Unbelievable Posts? If anybody is still
updating it, this one's a keeper.

Gary, your mind rusted shut many years ago. You demanding that someone else be
more open-minded is more than a little hypocritical. Shame on you.

On 03/04/2013 6:07 PM, John J wrote:

>>> "“Low carbohydrate and high fat diets have been popular lately. Though
>>> they may help you lose weight initially, this may not last and an
>>> increase in saturated fat intake can also lead to raised cholesterol
>>> levels."
>>>
>>> http://www.bhf.org.uk/default.aspx?page=14801
>>
>>
>> My wife has been on a low carb diet for more than 30 years. She can eat
>> all kinds of meat, cheese, dairy, fish, eggs, fruit and vegetables but
>> she rarely eats bread, potatoes, rice or pasta. When she does eat that
>> stuff it is in small amounts only. She has no cholesterol problem and
>> she stays nice and trim.
>
> Some people smoke all their lives and still live to a 100. That
> doesn't mean we all should start smoking.
>


And your point is.....?????

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:24:00 -0400, Susan > wrote:

> When I make lasagna, I use the very thin and tender Barilla no boil
> noodles and only 6 of them total, 3 bottom, 3 top.

Me too! I absolutely LOVE that stuff.

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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:56:22 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 07:32:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>> http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/p...hy-eating.aspx
>>
>> That's the British Heart Foundation.
>
>What, reason with the low carb high fat people? Don't bother. Only
>time will tell them that low carb (not no carb) was fine, but high fat
>wasn't a good idea.

Been eating this way since late 2002. My weight went down, my health
improved and my yearly tests indicate that all is much better than
before.

How long should I wait for the horrible consequences?

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:48:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>My wife has been on a low carb diet for more than 30 years. She can eat
>all kinds of meat, cheese, dairy, fish, eggs, fruit and vegetables but
>she rarely eats bread, potatoes, rice or pasta. When she does eat that
>stuff it is in small amounts only. She has no cholesterol problem and
>she stays nice and trim.

Of course she does... she eats properly

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:23:24 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:56:22 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 07:32:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
> >> http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/p...hy-eating.aspx
> >>
> >> That's the British Heart Foundation.
> >
> >What, reason with the low carb high fat people? Don't bother. Only
> >time will tell them that low carb (not no carb) was fine, but high fat
> >wasn't a good idea.
>
> Been eating this way since late 2002. My weight went down, my health
> improved and my yearly tests indicate that all is much better than
> before.
>
> How long should I wait for the horrible consequences?

Last thing I heard, you could go for decades and then all of a sudden
- you're dead if you don't get any warning signs.

Hubby went for more than 40 years before it caught up with him. Thin
as a rail all of his life and then all of a sudden his arteries were
blocked. Of course, it had been building up all that time, but he
thought he was bullet proof because *he wasn't FAT*. It was a huge
wake up call. NO! You can't eat like that and not pay the piper
eventually.

Okay, so you're not dead yet - but that's not a good reason for anyone
who is interested in living longer than the norm to adopt your
unhealthy style of eating.

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