I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
probably never use it if I had to handwash.

Thanks

"Eric McNew" > wrote in message
...
> I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> probably never use it if I had to handwash.
>
> Thanks

Dupont says that their non-stick coatings are dishwasher safe. I put my
Kirkland non-stick in the dishwasher. If by "caph" you mean Calphalon, then
I don't see that as non-stick, just anodized aluminum. Unfortunately,
anodized can not be cleaned in the dishwasher. I find that regular
stainless steel is nearly non-stick. The fond that develops on the surface
can be easily removed by deglazing with water. Just heat the pan and pour
in some water. I use a wad of paper towels on a pair of tongs to wipe the
hot pan. Then, it goes into the dishwasher.

"Eric McNew" > wrote in message
...
> I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> probably never use it if I had to handwash.
>
> Thanks

My sincere advice is to never put cookware in the dishwasher - any cookware,
ever. Dishwashers are for dishes (and stainless flatware) and not for
cookware, cutlery, or gadgets or even glassware, in my opinion. I handwash
all my cookware and always have since I bought cookware I expected to last
more than a couple of years.

I think manufacturers who tout their cookware as dishwasher safe are doing a
disservice to the consumer. I feel the same way about the old
never-need-sharpening knives. Take care.

Fred
The Good Gourmet
http://www.thegoodgourmet.com

"Fred" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric McNew" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> > nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> > probably never use it if I had to handwash.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> My sincere advice is to never put cookware in the dishwasher - any
cookware,
> ever. Dishwashers are for dishes (and stainless flatware) and not for
> cookware, cutlery, or gadgets or even glassware, in my opinion. I
handwash
> all my cookware and always have since I bought cookware I expected to last
> more than a couple of years.
>
> I think manufacturers who tout their cookware as dishwasher safe are doing
a
> disservice to the consumer. I feel the same way about the old
> never-need-sharpening knives. Take care.

Why would stainless flatware be fine for the dishwasher and not stainless
cookware?

Somewhat an aside answer to your question, but:

My dishwasher is sooo loaded with dishes; dishes are stacked up on the sink
ready to put into the next dishwasher load, I would never "catch up" if I
added cooking pans - I'd have just a load of cooking pans. It's always
amazing that people actually have room to put a cooking pan in also. Also I
couldn't get a stock-pot in, a spaghetti pot in, and I would't adjust my top
shelf each time I juggled these in just so I wouldn't have to wash a pan
which I could wash in less time than it took to adjust my shelf.

I agree that washing dishes by hand takes time, but I'd rather put in 10
glasses than one pan. Does everyone have a bigger dishwasher than I do?
Does not everyone have a dishwasher that takes over an hour to wash?


Dee




"Eric McNew" > wrote in message
...
> I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> probably never use it if I had to handwash.
>
> Thanks

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
> Somewhat an aside answer to your question, but:
>
> My dishwasher is sooo loaded with dishes; dishes are stacked up on the
sink
> ready to put into the next dishwasher load, I would never "catch up" if I
> added cooking pans - I'd have just a load of cooking pans. It's always
> amazing that people actually have room to put a cooking pan in also. Also
I
> couldn't get a stock-pot in, a spaghetti pot in, and I would't adjust my
top
> shelf each time I juggled these in just so I wouldn't have to wash a pan
> which I could wash in less time than it took to adjust my shelf.
>
> I agree that washing dishes by hand takes time, but I'd rather put in 10
> glasses than one pan. Does everyone have a bigger dishwasher than I do?
> Does not everyone have a dishwasher that takes over an hour to wash?
>

I would guess that 99.9% of all dishwashers sold are 24 inches. I think
that there is only one manufacturer that makes a 24 inch dishwasher and I've
never seen it on display in a store, only in catalogs/online. so, most
everyone has the same size dishwasher. (Ok, there are the newer dish
drawers, but even they are still unusual). Since there are only two of use,
my dishwasher doesn't get overburdened with dishes. I put the worst things
in the dishwasher and if there isn't room for everything I will wash a pasta
pot or non-stick skillet by hand. My rule is that if it won't survive the
dishwasher, I don't use it. The only exceptions are holiday dinners when I
use the fine china, crystal, and flatware.

Vox Humana wrote:
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Somewhat an aside answer to your question, but:
> >
> > My dishwasher is sooo loaded with dishes; dishes are stacked up on the
> sink
> > ready to put into the next dishwasher load, I would never "catch up" if I
> > added cooking pans - I'd have just a load of cooking pans. It's always
> > amazing that people actually have room to put a cooking pan in also. Also
> I
> > couldn't get a stock-pot in, a spaghetti pot in, and I would't adjust my
> top
> > shelf each time I juggled these in just so I wouldn't have to wash a pan
> > which I could wash in less time than it took to adjust my shelf.
> >
> > I agree that washing dishes by hand takes time, but I'd rather put in 10
> > glasses than one pan. Does everyone have a bigger dishwasher than I do?
> > Does not everyone have a dishwasher that takes over an hour to wash?
> >
>
> I would guess that 99.9% of all dishwashers sold are 24 inches. I think
> that there is only one manufacturer that makes a 24 inch dishwasher and I've
> never seen it on display in a store, only in catalogs/online. so, most
> everyone has the same size dishwasher. (Ok, there are the newer dish
> drawers, but even they are still unusual). Since there are only two of use,
> my dishwasher doesn't get overburdened with dishes. I put the worst things
> in the dishwasher and if there isn't room for everything I will wash a pasta
> pot or non-stick skillet by hand. My rule is that if it won't survive the
> dishwasher, I don't use it. The only exceptions are holiday dinners when I
> use the fine china, crystal, and flatware.

I'm quite happy to do a whole load of china and mugs (not glasses - all
ours are lead crystal and not dishwasher proof), followed by a whole
load of pans. I'd rather spend the hour with the company than with my
hands in the sink! Also, it allows me to wash them super clean in my
sleep. So what if it takes an hour: there's more than an hour between
eating one meal and cooking the next, especially at night! It also
gives me an hour to do something else... sewing, reading, going for a
walk, or (oh, horror!) hoovering and bed changing!
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

"Fred" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric McNew" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> > nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> > probably never use it if I had to handwash.
> >
> > Thanks
>

I've noticed that after 2-3 years, my pyrex-type measuring jugs become
completely frosted from washing in the dishwasher and the measuring lines
etc. disappear. This must be the fault of the detergent.

Graham

"Kate Dicey" > wrote in message
...
> Vox Humana wrote:
> >
> > "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Somewhat an aside answer to your question, but:
> > >
> > > My dishwasher is sooo loaded with dishes; dishes are stacked up on the
> > sink
> > > ready to put into the next dishwasher load, I would never "catch up"
if I
> > > added cooking pans - I'd have just a load of cooking pans. It's
always
> > > amazing that people actually have room to put a cooking pan in also.
Also
> > I
> > > couldn't get a stock-pot in, a spaghetti pot in, and I would't adjust
my
> > top
> > > shelf each time I juggled these in just so I wouldn't have to wash a
pan
> > > which I could wash in less time than it took to adjust my shelf.
> > >
> > > I agree that washing dishes by hand takes time, but I'd rather put in
10
> > > glasses than one pan. Does everyone have a bigger dishwasher than I
do?
> > > Does not everyone have a dishwasher that takes over an hour to wash?
> > >
> >
> > I would guess that 99.9% of all dishwashers sold are 24 inches. I think
> > that there is only one manufacturer that makes a 24 inch dishwasher and
I've
> > never seen it on display in a store, only in catalogs/online. so, most
> > everyone has the same size dishwasher. (Ok, there are the newer dish
> > drawers, but even they are still unusual). Since there are only two of
use,
> > my dishwasher doesn't get overburdened with dishes. I put the worst
things
> > in the dishwasher and if there isn't room for everything I will wash a
pasta
> > pot or non-stick skillet by hand. My rule is that if it won't survive
the
> > dishwasher, I don't use it. The only exceptions are holiday dinners
when I
> > use the fine china, crystal, and flatware.
>
> I'm quite happy to do a whole load of china and mugs (not glasses - all
> ours are lead crystal and not dishwasher proof), followed by a whole
> load of pans. I'd rather spend the hour with the company than with my
> hands in the sink! Also, it allows me to wash them super clean in my
> sleep. So what if it takes an hour: there's more than an hour between
> eating one meal and cooking the next, especially at night! It also
> gives me an hour to do something else... sewing, reading, going for a
> walk, or (oh, horror!) hoovering and bed changing!
> --

I'm with you on this. I can do serial loads of dishes in the machine.
Unfortunately, my mother always wants to jump up from the table and "help"
do the dishes. By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned up
the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
the wicked.

"Graham" > wrote in message
news:mhjEb.742712$pl3.385731@pd7tw3no...
>
> "Fred" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Eric McNew" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> > > nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> > > probably never use it if I had to handwash.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
>
> I've noticed that after 2-3 years, my pyrex-type measuring jugs become
> completely frosted from washing in the dishwasher and the measuring lines
> etc. disappear. This must be the fault of the detergent.

It sounds like you are using too much detergent.

By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned up
the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
the wicked.

I'm not sure which person is referred to here as "... the wicked." <grin>
Take my choice? Both? Either/or?

dee



"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kate Dicey" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Vox Humana wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Somewhat an aside answer to your question, but:
> > > >
> > > > My dishwasher is sooo loaded with dishes; dishes are stacked up on
the
> > > sink
> > > > ready to put into the next dishwasher load, I would never "catch up"
> if I
> > > > added cooking pans - I'd have just a load of cooking pans. It's
> always
> > > > amazing that people actually have room to put a cooking pan in also.
> Also
> > > I
> > > > couldn't get a stock-pot in, a spaghetti pot in, and I would't
adjust
> my
> > > top
> > > > shelf each time I juggled these in just so I wouldn't have to wash a
> pan
> > > > which I could wash in less time than it took to adjust my shelf.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that washing dishes by hand takes time, but I'd rather put
in
> 10
> > > > glasses than one pan. Does everyone have a bigger dishwasher than I
> do?
> > > > Does not everyone have a dishwasher that takes over an hour to wash?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I would guess that 99.9% of all dishwashers sold are 24 inches. I
think
> > > that there is only one manufacturer that makes a 24 inch dishwasher
and
> I've
> > > never seen it on display in a store, only in catalogs/online. so,
most
> > > everyone has the same size dishwasher. (Ok, there are the newer dish
> > > drawers, but even they are still unusual). Since there are only two
of
> use,
> > > my dishwasher doesn't get overburdened with dishes. I put the worst
> things
> > > in the dishwasher and if there isn't room for everything I will wash a
> pasta
> > > pot or non-stick skillet by hand. My rule is that if it won't survive
> the
> > > dishwasher, I don't use it. The only exceptions are holiday dinners
> when I
> > > use the fine china, crystal, and flatware.
> >
> > I'm quite happy to do a whole load of china and mugs (not glasses - all
> > ours are lead crystal and not dishwasher proof), followed by a whole
> > load of pans. I'd rather spend the hour with the company than with my
> > hands in the sink! Also, it allows me to wash them super clean in my
> > sleep. So what if it takes an hour: there's more than an hour between
> > eating one meal and cooking the next, especially at night! It also
> > gives me an hour to do something else... sewing, reading, going for a
> > walk, or (oh, horror!) hoovering and bed changing!
> > --
>
> I'm with you on this. I can do serial loads of dishes in the machine.
> Unfortunately, my mother always wants to jump up from the table and "help"
> do the dishes. By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
> cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned
up
> the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
> know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
> the wicked.
>
>

I had a lot of scratch glasses before I went to using a liquid dishwasher
detergent. They were "REALLY" scratched.
Dee


"Graham" > wrote in message
news:mhjEb.742712$pl3.385731@pd7tw3no...
>
> "Fred" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Eric McNew" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> > > nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> > > probably never use it if I had to handwash.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
>
> I've noticed that after 2-3 years, my pyrex-type measuring jugs become
> completely frosted from washing in the dishwasher and the measuring lines
> etc. disappear. This must be the fault of the detergent.
>
> Graham
>
>

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
> By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
> cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned
up
> the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
> know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
> the wicked.
>
> I'm not sure which person is referred to here as "... the wicked."
<grin>
> Take my choice? Both? Either/or?
>
> dee

I was referring to myself as the "wicked" one. However, this has become a
point of contention with both myself and my sister. We would prefer not to
be rushed into a big clean-up job immediately after dinner and our elderly
mother insists on diving into the job. We have both explained to her that
when we are entertaining, we don't want to spend our post-dinner hour in the
kitchen when everyone else is having coffee in the living room. Our
attempts have fallen on deaf ears. I do try to do as much as possible
before hand to limit the number of dirty dishes to deal with in the
aftermath of dinner. I always run the dishwasher during dinner so it will
be ready for a new load right away.

This must be enough of a problem, that one dishwashing detergent maker has just
come out with a product that it says will not etch glassware. Companies don't
develop products unless there is a wide market base to buy them. They can of
course, also bank on people's wish to avoid a problem they don't yet have!

<< I've noticed that after 2-3 years, my pyrex-type measuring jugs become
completely frosted from washing in the dishwasher and the measuring lines
etc. disappear. This must be the fault of the detergent.

Graham >>

Alas, we let our dishes set too, after a meal. But somehow they get done
between meals or while preparing the next one. Much to my dismay, when I'm
preparing a meal, I have to make the choice between unloading the dishwasher
and/or finding a clean space -- I just don't know where to begin!

Perhaps I'll start by washing more "not completely full" dish-washing loads.
{I can hear it now <grin<}


Dee


"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
> > cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned
> up
> > the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she
doesn't
> > know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest
for
> > the wicked.
> >
> > I'm not sure which person is referred to here as "... the wicked."
> <grin>
> > Take my choice? Both? Either/or?
> >
> > dee
>
> I was referring to myself as the "wicked" one. However, this has become a
> point of contention with both myself and my sister. We would prefer not
to
> be rushed into a big clean-up job immediately after dinner and our elderly
> mother insists on diving into the job. We have both explained to her that
> when we are entertaining, we don't want to spend our post-dinner hour in
the
> kitchen when everyone else is having coffee in the living room. Our
> attempts have fallen on deaf ears. I do try to do as much as possible
> before hand to limit the number of dirty dishes to deal with in the
> aftermath of dinner. I always run the dishwasher during dinner so it will
> be ready for a new load right away.
>
>

Graham wrote:
>
> "Fred" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Eric McNew" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I'm investigating new cookware and would like to find a quality
> > > nonstick surface that is dishwasher safe. I love caph. but would
> > > probably never use it if I had to handwash.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
>
> I've noticed that after 2-3 years, my pyrex-type measuring jugs become
> completely frosted from washing in the dishwasher and the measuring lines
> etc. disappear. This must be the fault of the detergent.
>
> Graham

Odd: I've had my big one for over ten years, wash it several times a
week in the dishwasher, and it's perfectly clear still. So are both the
other two - the half pint one and the pint one. The only measuring jugs
I have that have gone cloudy are the ikkle baby plastic ones. (about
150ml each). The oldest Pyrex one is over 40 years old (inherited!) and
it's only signs of wear are a chip caused by dropping a cast iron pot
lid on it a long time ago, and a few scratched caused by many years of
stirring in it with metal spoons.
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Vox Humana wrote:

>
> I'm with you on this. I can do serial loads of dishes in the machine.
> Unfortunately, my mother always wants to jump up from the table and "help"
> do the dishes. By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
> cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned up
> the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
> know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
> the wicked.

I shoo the guests into the other room and weigh them down with coffee
and stuff! My mum also likes to help, and looks for where to put
things. She's quite happy to leave out things she can't find a home
for. Luckily, as she trained me, she looks for the same places in my
kitchen that she would keep things - she's usually right! She likes the
dishwasher, though, but 90% of the time has no need of one herself as
she lives on her own.
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Vox Humana wrote:
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > By the time a large dinner is over, I just want to have a
> > cup of coffee and rest. I have given in the last few times and cleaned
> up
> > the kitchen because if I let her do it I have to help because she doesn't
> > know where anything goes and keeps after me. I guess there is no rest for
> > the wicked.
> >
> > I'm not sure which person is referred to here as "... the wicked."
> <grin>
> > Take my choice? Both? Either/or?
> >
> > dee
>
> I was referring to myself as the "wicked" one. However, this has become a
> point of contention with both myself and my sister. We would prefer not to
> be rushed into a big clean-up job immediately after dinner and our elderly
> mother insists on diving into the job. We have both explained to her that
> when we are entertaining, we don't want to spend our post-dinner hour in the
> kitchen when everyone else is having coffee in the living room. Our
> attempts have fallen on deaf ears. I do try to do as much as possible
> before hand to limit the number of dirty dishes to deal with in the
> aftermath of dinner. I always run the dishwasher during dinner so it will
> be ready for a new load right away.


There's only one answer: a combination lock on the kitchen door! ;D
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Kate Dicey wrote:
>
> Odd: I've had my big one for over ten years, wash it several times a
> week in the dishwasher, and it's perfectly clear still. So are both the
> other two - the half pint one and the pint one. The only measuring jugs
> I have that have gone cloudy are the ikkle baby plastic ones. (about
> 150ml each). The oldest Pyrex one is over 40 years old (inherited!) and
> it's only signs of wear are a chip caused by dropping a cast iron pot
> lid on it a long time ago, and a few scratched caused by many years of
> stirring in it with metal spoons.
>
Ah, but European dishwashers and North American dishwashers are quite
different (well, they may LOOK similar, but they work differently) - and
the detergents are different, too. I've had a similar problem in the US,
with Pyrex markings wearing off, but in the UK, this has not been a problem
at all.

Sheila

A correspondent on this newsgroup wrote to me at my email address; I don't
see it here. He asked me how many times I use the dishwasher.

<snip>Now you've made me curious: how often do you run your dishwasher,
and, in that time increment, for how many people do you typically
cook how many meals?<snip>

I use my dishwasher approximately 2-3 times in 2 days, leaning toward the 3
times in 2 days. I did 2 today already. One from left over last night
which I added to; and one after late breakfast-lunch. As I mentioned before,
I don't put pans in my dishwasher unless they are Vision/glass and I only
have 1 that I put in. Some dishes (French glass plate type bowls) that I
use constantly I cannot fit in the dishwasher.


In answer to the email sent to me, I'd say that maybe 1/3 of my dishes, too,
I have to wash by hand. They are either too big or shouldn't be put in a
dish washer. We are a husband and wife that both enjoy eating and cooking,
so my answer doesn't include guests.

I don't cook from scratch -- meaning: I don't milk the cow. But I do most
of my cooking without help of the almighty box.

Dee









"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> Kate Dicey wrote:
> >
> > Odd: I've had my big one for over ten years, wash it several times a
> > week in the dishwasher, and it's perfectly clear still. So are both the
> > other two - the half pint one and the pint one. The only measuring jugs
> > I have that have gone cloudy are the ikkle baby plastic ones. (about
> > 150ml each). The oldest Pyrex one is over 40 years old (inherited!) and
> > it's only signs of wear are a chip caused by dropping a cast iron pot
> > lid on it a long time ago, and a few scratched caused by many years of
> > stirring in it with metal spoons.
> >
> Ah, but European dishwashers and North American dishwashers are quite
> different (well, they may LOOK similar, but they work differently) - and
> the detergents are different, too. I've had a similar problem in the US,
> with Pyrex markings wearing off, but in the UK, this has not been a
problem
> at all.
>
> Sheila
>

"Sheellah" > wrote in message
...
> This must be enough of a problem, that one dishwashing detergent maker has
just
> come out with a product that it says will not etch glassware. Companies
don't
> develop products unless there is a wide market base to buy them. They can
of
> course, also bank on people's wish to avoid a problem they don't yet have!
>
I wish that they would leave out the damn scents!!!!!!! Who needs an
artificial lemon or "fresh" scented dishwasher detergent? I've found that
they taint anything plastic and the scent lingers for a while on the
ceramics.

Graham ( in a justifiably grouchy mood)

I agree with you about the scents -- they even come thru on my letters from
friends from their hands -- but I would never complain to them; I love them
dearly, but what's with the fascination of scents!

The dishwasher soap that I'm using now, tho, smells overwhelmingly of
bleach, so I'm caught in a swirl of smells.

Dee



"Graham" > wrote in message
news:_%pEb.745857$6C4.473875@pd7tw1no...
>
> "Sheellah" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This must be enough of a problem, that one dishwashing detergent maker
has
> just
> > come out with a product that it says will not etch glassware. Companies
> don't
> > develop products unless there is a wide market base to buy them. They
can
> of
> > course, also bank on people's wish to avoid a problem they don't yet
have!
> >
> I wish that they would leave out the damn scents!!!!!!! Who needs an
> artificial lemon or "fresh" scented dishwasher detergent? I've found that
> they taint anything plastic and the scent lingers for a while on the
> ceramics.
>
> Graham ( in a justifiably grouchy mood)
>
>

S Viemeister wrote:
>
> Kate Dicey wrote:
> >
> > Odd: I've had my big one for over ten years, wash it several times a
> > week in the dishwasher, and it's perfectly clear still. So are both the
> > other two - the half pint one and the pint one. The only measuring jugs
> > I have that have gone cloudy are the ikkle baby plastic ones. (about
> > 150ml each). The oldest Pyrex one is over 40 years old (inherited!) and
> > it's only signs of wear are a chip caused by dropping a cast iron pot
> > lid on it a long time ago, and a few scratched caused by many years of
> > stirring in it with metal spoons.
> >
> Ah, but European dishwashers and North American dishwashers are quite
> different (well, they may LOOK similar, but they work differently) - and
> the detergents are different, too. I've had a similar problem in the US,
> with Pyrex markings wearing off, but in the UK, this has not been a problem
> at all.
>
> Sheila


Yikes! What could be worse than the caustic stuff that is UK dishwasher
powder? What do they do - sandblast the flipping stuff clean?
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"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
> A correspondent on this newsgroup wrote to me at my email address; I don't
> see it here. He asked me how many times I use the dishwasher.
>
> <snip>Now you've made me curious: how often do you run your dishwasher,
> and, in that time increment, for how many people do you typically
> cook how many meals?<snip>
>

I wash about 1.5 loads per day. I cook for two people (total) and mostly
one meal daily during the week and two meals daily on weekends (not counting
re-heating leftovers, and the preparation of cold foods like sandwiches.) I
do bake nearly every day and that accounts for part of the dishes.

Kate Dicey wrote:
>
> Yikes! What could be worse than the caustic stuff that is UK dishwasher
> powder? What do they do - sandblast the flipping stuff clean?
>
Some of my glassware would support that conclusion.
Fierce blasting of detergent seems to be the dominant mode in the US
washers I've used.
My UK one relies more on rinsing and soaking. And does a better job, with
no damage, although it does take more time. The wash cycle of my UK
machine is quite a bit longer than even the longest cycle of my US machine.

Sheila

We have two dishwashers....
an Amana built in the kitchen
and a veteran Kenmore mobile in the Basement. The Upstairs one gets used
for everyday stuff the basement one is used whenever I am preparing stufff
The Amana takes about an hour the Kenmore just shy of 40 minutes both clean
as well as each other....
When I get mobile again will look at an under the counter dish machine ...
full rack 3 minutes

"Dee Randall" > wrote:

> I had a lot of scratch glasses before I went to using a liquid dishwasher
> detergent. They were "REALLY" scratched.
> Dee

I was a nearly lifetime-subscriber to Amy Dacyszyn's "The Tightwad
Gazette" - one bit of research she wrote about was how much dishwasher
detergent you need to use. The results stated that you could get
perfectly good results by filling the "fill" cups half-way (or even
less) with the detergent. I wonder if overuse of detergent might be
behind some of the scratching or etching?

(And am waiting with some amusement to see if I get the "She was a
frugal fanatic" kind of replies. :-))

"Vox Humana" > wrote:

> I was referring to myself as the "wicked" one. However, this has become a
> point of contention with both myself and my sister. We would prefer not to
> be rushed into a big clean-up job immediately after dinner and our elderly
> mother insists on diving into the job. We have both explained to her that
> when we are entertaining, we don't want to spend our post-dinner hour in the
> kitchen when everyone else is having coffee in the living room. Our
> attempts have fallen on deaf ears. I do try to do as much as possible
> before hand to limit the number of dirty dishes to deal with in the
> aftermath of dinner. I always run the dishwasher during dinner so it will
> be ready for a new load right away.

Same here. I still get dirty looks for attending parties with her and
not jumping in after the meal to help clean up with the hostess. (Last
time was at a friend of my mom's; this woman had hired help to assist
with the meal! And Mom still glared at me for staying at the table and
enjoying the chitchat.)

I'm a "morning dishes" person. My mom's a "Do It Immediately" person.
Gah.

"Blanche Nonken" > wrote in message
...
> "Vox Humana" > wrote:
>
> > I was referring to myself as the "wicked" one. However, this has become
a
> > point of contention with both myself and my sister. We would prefer not
to
> > be rushed into a big clean-up job immediately after dinner and our
elderly
> > mother insists on diving into the job. We have both explained to her
that
> > when we are entertaining, we don't want to spend our post-dinner hour in
the
> > kitchen when everyone else is having coffee in the living room. Our
> > attempts have fallen on deaf ears. I do try to do as much as possible
> > before hand to limit the number of dirty dishes to deal with in the
> > aftermath of dinner. I always run the dishwasher during dinner so it
will
> > be ready for a new load right away.
>
> Same here. I still get dirty looks for attending parties with her and
> not jumping in after the meal to help clean up with the hostess. (Last
> time was at a friend of my mom's; this woman had hired help to assist
> with the meal! And Mom still glared at me for staying at the table and
> enjoying the chitchat.)
>
> I'm a "morning dishes" person. My mom's a "Do It Immediately" person.
> Gah.

I will leave the odd dish in the sink over night if the dishwasher is
working or it's full of clean dishes and I don't want to empty it.
Otherwise, I try to clean up shortly after a meal. I don't want the
Christmas dinner dishes stacked in the sink for hours, but I would like to
leave them there long enough to relax for a few minutes after the meal. I
don't see dishwashing as part of the dessert course!! I don't understand
why she doesn't realized that I have been cooking for hours (if not days)
and that by the time dinner is over, I just want to get off my feet for a
few minutes.

Hello, Miss Frugal

I wonder if there are any newsgroups re household frugal-ness.
PS: I use maybe 1/4 the amount of bleach in my clotheswasher, as well. Of
course, "they" do want you to use more.

Just because we are frugal in one big usage of our lives -- well, you know
the rest!

But, I'm going to stick with my liquid dishwasher detergent for now and try
to use less of "it" -- or try to get my husband to use less. He is the one
that usually puts it in -- it is loaded with bleach -- or at least, a bleach
"smell."

Thanks,
Dee


"Blanche Nonken" > wrote in message
...
> "Dee Randall" > wrote:
>
> > I had a lot of scratch glasses before I went to using a liquid
dishwasher
> > detergent. They were "REALLY" scratched.
> > Dee
>
> I was a nearly lifetime-subscriber to Amy Dacyszyn's "The Tightwad
> Gazette" - one bit of research she wrote about was how much dishwasher
> detergent you need to use. The results stated that you could get
> perfectly good results by filling the "fill" cups half-way (or even
> less) with the detergent. I wonder if overuse of detergent might be
> behind some of the scratching or etching?
>
> (And am waiting with some amusement to see if I get the "She was a
> frugal fanatic" kind of replies. :-))

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
> Hello, Miss Frugal
>
> I wonder if there are any newsgroups re household frugal-ness.

I do think I have seen a newsgroup on thrifty living, but I can't remember
the name. If you are interested in such matters, you might check out
www.magazinevalues.com They have a number of inexpensive magazine
subscriptions, starting at $2.99. I have subscribed to a number of
magazines from that site and they are very reliable. In particular, there
is a $2.99 magazine called "Budget Living." The selections change
frequently, and I have seen magazines like Gourmet and Architectural Digest
going for $2.99 You might keep this in mind for future gifts.

"Dee Randall" > wrote:

>Hello, Miss Frugal
>
>I wonder if there are any newsgroups re household frugal-ness.
>PS: I use maybe 1/4 the amount of bleach in my clotheswasher, as well. Of
>course, "they" do want you to use more.
>
>Just because we are frugal in one big usage of our lives -- well, you know
>the rest!
>
>But, I'm going to stick with my liquid dishwasher detergent for now and try
>to use less of "it" -- or try to get my husband to use less. He is the one
>that usually puts it in -- it is loaded with bleach -- or at least, a bleach
>"smell."
>
>Thanks,
>Dee


My newserver carries 2 newsgroups that may fit the bill.
free.uk.lifestyle.frugal and misc.consumers.frugal-living
Check the newsgroups carried by your server.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> "Dee Randall" > wrote:
>
> >Hello, Miss Frugal
> >
> >I wonder if there are any newsgroups re household frugal-ness.
> >PS: I use maybe 1/4 the amount of bleach in my clotheswasher, as well.
Of
> >course, "they" do want you to use more.
> >
> >Just because we are frugal in one big usage of our lives -- well, you
know
> >the rest!
> >
> >But, I'm going to stick with my liquid dishwasher detergent for now and
try
> >to use less of "it" -- or try to get my husband to use less. He is the
one
> >that usually puts it in -- it is loaded with bleach -- or at least, a
bleach
> >"smell."
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dee
>
>
> My newserver carries 2 newsgroups that may fit the bill.
> free.uk.lifestyle.frugal and misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Check the newsgroups carried by your server.

That's the word: "fugal!" I knew I had seen some NG's on the subject but I
could find anything under "budget" or "thrifty."

"Blanche Nonken" > wrote in message
> The results stated that you could get
> perfectly good results by filling the "fill" cups half-way (or even
> less) with the detergent. I wonder if overuse of detergent might be
> behind some of the scratching or etching?

DW detergent is very caustic. As far as reducing the amount used, do some
trials. The type of water you have makes a difference. The more minerals,
the more detergent you need to achieve the same cleaning.

I use about 2/3 fill in the first wash, 1/2 in the second wash cup.

Years ago, liquid dish detergent (the in sink kind) used to be measured by
the capful. Then the maker came out with the squeeze bottle. It was a
bonanza for them. One squirt it good, but two must be better?
Ed

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