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Gallo Confirms Tainted Wine
An article in the Los Angeles Times reports that Gallo has confirmed that
traces of TCA have been found in wines bottled at its processing facility in Sonoma. 90 different Gallo wines totaling nearly 2 million cases a year are bottled there under such labels as Rancho Zabaco, Frei Brothers, Gallo of Sonoma and Louis Martini. The chemical is not a health risk but can produce an unpleasant off-taste in the wine. TCA is the abbreviation for trichloroanisole, a chemical byproduct of the interaction between mold and chlorine, which is used as a cleaning solution and to bleach corks and oak barrels. Contaminated corks are often a source of TCA in bottled wine. One of the mysteries of the Gallo contamination is that the winery stopped using chlorine as a cleaning agent years ago The Times article also mentions that Gallo which produces about a third of California's wine, is the world's second largest wine producer. I had thought that Gallo was the largest wine company . I was surprised to find out elsewhere that the world's largest wine company is Constellation Brands, a name totally unfamiliar to me although I did recognize its wine brands. |
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"Sam D." > wrote:
> I was surprised to find out elsewhere that the world's largest > wine company is Constellation Brands, a name totally unfamiliar > to me although I did recognize its wine brands. Where is "Constellation Brands" based, and what are its wine brands? M. |
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Gallo Confirms Tainted Wine
On 6 Nov 2003 16:38:18 GMT, Michael Pronay > wrote:
>"Sam D." > wrote: > >> I was surprised to find out elsewhere that the world's largest >> wine company is Constellation Brands, a name totally unfamiliar >> to me although I did recognize its wine brands. > >Where is "Constellation Brands" based, NY. >and what are its wine >brands? > As you can imagine, they do a lot of bulk wine and sell much of that to Gallo. Some names that come under the Constellation umbrella a Taylor, Almaden, Arbor Mist, Blackstone, Hardys, Ravenswood and Stowells of Chelsea. They also do many other wines, spirits and beer. Gallo is the largest producer in the US with well over half the market. If this type of thing interest you, a good book that describes these companies and the behind the scenes workings is "The Wrath of Grapes" by Lewis Purdue. It's a bit dated now, but still interesting. On the original topic, cork taint (TCA) does not always reside in the cork and can come from exposure in the cellars. clyde |
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Clyde Gill > wrote:
>>> I was surprised to find out elsewhere that the world's largest >>> wine company is Constellation Brands, a name totally >>> unfamiliar to me although I did recognize its wine brands. >>Where is "Constellation Brands" based, > NY. Thank you. >>and what are its wine brands? > As you can imagine, they do a lot of bulk wine and sell much of > that to Gallo. I didn't imagine anything, never having heard of Constellation and ignoring their whereabouts. > Some names that come under the Constellation umbrella a > > Taylor, Almaden, Arbor Mist, Blackstone, Hardys, Ravenswood and > Stowells of Chelsea. They also do many other wines, spirits and > beer. > > Gallo is the largest producer in the US with well over half the > market. Pardon me, but how can Gallo be US's largest producer when Constellation is even bigger? There seems to be a logic that escapes me. > On the original topic, cork taint (TCA) does not always reside > in the cork and can come from exposure in the cellars. Yes, but then it will not infect bottles as randomly, as does TCA in corks. M. |
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In article >, Michael Pronay >
writes: > >Pardon me, but how can Gallo be US's largest producer when >Constellation is even bigger? There seems to be a logic that >escapes me. Constellation is world's largest , because they own BRL Hardy's now (big Oz producer). So while they are largest US-based producer, Gallo is actually largest producer of US wines. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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>> As you can imagine, they do a lot of bulk wine and sell much of >> that to Gallo. > >I didn't imagine anything, never having heard of Constellation and >ignoring their whereabouts. Without any prior knowledge of your knowledge, I'd imagine that you would be able to imagine that the worlds largest producer of wine dealt with bulk wines and also dealt with the largest producer in the US. But I've been told more than once that I have a wild imagination. > >> On the original topic, cork taint (TCA) does not always reside >> in the cork and can come from exposure in the cellars. > >Yes, but then it will not infect bottles as randomly, as does TCA >in corks. Bottle variation could occur if the TCA was introduced in the bottling process, which is one of the more likely sources of contamination, given the intricacy and general nature of the operation plus the timing of the exposure. If TCA is introduced to the wine while in bulk (very possible), it usually is detected before the bottling process, though it can have a nasty tendency to progress with time, especially while *in* the bottle. clyde |
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Michael Pronay > wrote in message >...
> amnspam (Dale Williams) wrote: > > >>Pardon me, but how can Gallo be US's largest producer when > >>Constellation is even bigger? There seems to be a logic that > >>escapes me. > > > Constellation is world's largest , because they own BRL Hardy's > > now (big Oz producer). So while they are largest US-based > > producer, Gallo is actually largest producer of US wines. > > Thank you for clarification. > > M. You may also know them better as Canandaigua - they only changed the name to Constellation a few years back, about the same time they started their acquisition spree. Once they started buying quality producers like Ravenswood, I suspect they wanted to lose the Canandaigua association with sweet wines from New York. - Mark W. |
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Michael
This is the old Canandaigua Wine, headquartered in Fairport, NY. I know this because I grew up in Fairport. They have gotten big by acquiring a large number of wine brands over the years. I believe that started out by making NYS sparkling wines. Tom Schellberg >Where is "Constellation Brands" based, and what are its wine >brands? |
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Clyde Gill > wrote:
>>> As you can imagine, they do a lot of bulk wine and sell much >>> of that to Gallo. >>I didn't imagine anything, never having heard of Constellation >>and ignoring their whereabouts. > Without any prior knowledge of your knowledge, I'd imagine that > you would be able to imagine that the worlds largest producer of > wine dealt with bulk wines and also dealt with the largest > producer in the US. But I've been told more than once that I > have a wild imagination. Absolutely. Without any prior knowledge I'd imagine the world's largest producer in the world's largest wine producing countries, France or Italy. M. |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:06:49 -0600, Clyde Gill > wrote:
> >>> As you can imagine, they do a lot of bulk wine and sell much of >>> that to Gallo. >> > > >>I didn't imagine anything, never having heard of Constellation and >>ignoring their whereabouts. > >Without any prior knowledge of your knowledge, I'd imagine that you >would be able to imagine that the worlds largest producer of wine >dealt with bulk wines and also dealt with the largest producer in the >US. But I've been told more than once that I have a wild imagination. > > >> >>> On the original topic, cork taint (TCA) does not always reside >>> in the cork and can come from exposure in the cellars. >> >>Yes, but then it will not infect bottles as randomly, as does TCA >>in corks. > >Bottle variation could occur if the TCA was introduced in the bottling >process, which is one of the more likely sources of contamination, >given the intricacy and general nature of the operation plus the >timing of the exposure. > >If TCA is introduced to the wine while in bulk (very possible), it >usually is detected before the bottling process, though it can have a >nasty tendency to progress with time, especially while *in* the >bottle. > >clyde http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Da...5,2240,00.html Article states that the likely source was a Chlorine based cleaning agent used at Gallo's Dry Creek Valley cellar. It also mentions that the TCA was in the range of 2-6 parts per trillion for the affected bottles - which Gallo claim is undetectable by most palates? |
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>It also mentions that the TCA was in the range of 2-6 parts per
>trillion for the affected bottles - which Gallo claim is undetectable >by most palates? I don't imagine it would be detectable by anyone's _palate_, though they might well pick it up by nose...... |
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Gallo Confirms Tainted Wine
I am not going to bash Gallo. I did plenty of that in the eighties, when they deserved it. But this current media play does not bode well with me... http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/TR/2,...roanisole.html Do you want to drink this? Tom In CTown |
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Gallo Confirms Tainted Wine
I`m not going to bash gallow either.... but, I`m definitely not
going to buying their brands for the forseeable future.... not even if they were to put all their wine on sale at half price.... I find that the store I was buying the wine at is mostly gallo made wines of different lables.... even some of their moderately priced wines like gallo of sanoma.... cabernet.... which is to be one of gallos better wines... but still had some yuck taste.... And though I am new to wine drinking, I did notice that all those wines had an off taste..... I`m glad to hear that it was the wine and not my taste buds...... Fortunately, I have found some other low priced wines without that off taste.... Livingston cab under five dollars u.s..... Good for an everyday wine for me.... It doesn`t have that gallo off taste... so I hope that it isn`t a gallo wine under a different lable..... end of ramble.... |
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I had already bought a second bottle of Livingston cab, and it was
almost undrinkable..... but, managed to gulp most of it down.... It must have been that tca musty old thing going on..... Thank you for the info about it being a gallo wine.... I thought I would try a different red, so I bought a Paul Vella merlot in a five liter box... 11.99 usd..... It should last a month after opening without oxidating.... Since recently beginning with wine, I had only bought cabernets.... So I thought it was time to branch out... to other reds.... The vella merlot isn`t bad.... I am swirling and sipping some as I type.... There is some black cherry, and grape taste... light and pleasant.... and sweet.... does not seem to have much of an alcohol kick or content... I will have to test it against other merlots.... but with five liters in the fridge it may take a few days...... to finish.... but, I do seem to enjoy this better than the cabs that I have had already tried...... |
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Gallo Confirms Tainted Wine
<<snip>>
> > I thought I would try a different red, so I bought a Paul Vella merlot > in a five liter box... 11.99 usd..... It should last a month after > opening without oxidating.... > > Do you mean "Peter Vella"? That's a gallo product also... |
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