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I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not very
good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgement, I
did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand. $16.79.
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee




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"Dee Dee" wrote in
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I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not
very good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better
judgement, I did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New
Zealand. $16.79.
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee





The Otago is a nice bottle as I recall with good fruit and a lingering
finish
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Dee Dee wrote:
I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not very
good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgement, I
did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand. $16.79.
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee



Try Louis Jadot Pinot Noir, imported from France. About $18.
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Scott wrote in
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Dee Dee wrote:
I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was
not very good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better
judgement, I did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New
Zealand. $16.79.
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee



Try Louis Jadot Pinot Noir, imported from France. About $18.


Fond as I am of French wine, I find the Jadot PN too oaky for my tastes.
My first clue should have been that the PN was prominent and the
Bourgogne was an afterthought.
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"Dee Dee" wrote ..............

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgment,
I did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand. $16.79.



I am gobsmacked at this price - at current exchange rates, this equates to
about $NZ20 - it is impossible to get a Central Otago PN for this price -
even here in NZ, let alone allowing for shipping costs, two/three tier
margins etc.

Mt Difficulty does a second label called "Roaring Meg" which sells in NZ for
$NZ25 - and this is a very acceptable wine, so I figure that the Kirkland
wine may be similar.

But - the pedantic side of my personality can pick a hole in their
descriptions on their website.

Notwithstanding the fact that the 2006 was an early picked vintage, the
grapes would not have been harvested until late March 06. (I mean, this IS
the Southern Hemisphere!)

Allow several weeks for fermentation, then (as stated) 14 months in French
oak) then (help me winemakers!!!) three/four weeks for racking, settling,
stabilising, fining, bottling, labeling, packaging, a couple weeks shipping
to the USA - importing and transshipment - hold on, that means this wine
would be available - in September or October 07 ????

Someone has got their story a bit skew-wiff (oh the pain of being the
pedant!)

Anyhow, there has been 100s of hectares of Pinot Noir planted in and around
Central Otago over the past 10 years; commentators are silently predicting
that CO PN may become the red equivalent of Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc.

Me? The best is superb New World Pinot - and at $US16 - well, one can't
really go wrong.

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"st.helier" wrote in message
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"Dee Dee" wrote ..............

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgment,
I did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand. $16.79.



I am gobsmacked at this price - at current exchange rates, this equates
to about $NZ20 - it is impossible to get a Central Otago PN for this
price - even here in NZ, let alone allowing for shipping costs, two/three
tier margins etc.

Mt Difficulty does a second label called "Roaring Meg" which sells in NZ
for $NZ25 - and this is a very acceptable wine, so I figure that the
Kirkland wine may be similar.

But - the pedantic side of my personality can pick a hole in their
descriptions on their website.

Notwithstanding the fact that the 2006 was an early picked vintage, the
grapes would not have been harvested until late March 06. (I mean, this IS
the Southern Hemisphere!)

Allow several weeks for fermentation, then (as stated) 14 months in French
oak) then (help me winemakers!!!) three/four weeks for racking, settling,
stabilising, fining, bottling, labeling, packaging, a couple weeks
shipping to the USA - importing and transshipment - hold on, that means
this wine would be available - in September or October 07 ????

Someone has got their story a bit skew-wiff (oh the pain of being the
pedant!)

Anyhow, there has been 100s of hectares of Pinot Noir planted in and
around Central Otago over the past 10 years; commentators are silently
predicting that CO PN may become the red equivalent of Marlborough
Sauvignon Blanc.

Me? The best is superb New World Pinot - and at $US16 - well, one
can't really go wrong.

--

st.helier

Nice reply - many thanks. And I do enjoy labels and information being
picked apart. My nature as well; however, wine is not my expertise to do
so, so I depend on you.

I did look to see that Kirkland said the Oregon Pinot was stored in French
Oak and stainless steel tanks. I did wonder at this statement, pondering
"did some of them thar grapes go in French Oak barrels and some of them in
tanks." OR was it that they all went first into French Oak barrels, THEN
into stainless steel tanks."

Dee


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On Jul 25, 4:02 pm, "Dee Dee" wrote:
I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not very
good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgement, I
did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand. $16.79.http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee


I like Meridian Central Coast Pinot Noir from California. My only
worry is that Consumer Reports actually agrees! There goes the price
(about $10.00 last I looked).

Dan-O

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"Dan the Man" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 25, 4:02 pm, "Dee Dee" wrote:
I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not
very
good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgement,
I
did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand.
$16.79.http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee


I like Meridian Central Coast Pinot Noir from California. My only
worry is that Consumer Reports actually agrees! There goes the price
(about $10.00 last I looked).

Dan-O


No worry from me Dan-E-Boy. I won't be drinking Pinot Noir from
California -- or Oregon again. In fact, after buying/trying a few U.S.
wines in the few months or so, they've had their last chance for at least
another decade; should I live so long.
But, I'll have to limit my drinking to -- let's see, what is it for oldsters
like me? 4 ounces a day - or is that every other day?

Dee


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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:45:22 -0400, "Dee Dee"
wrote:

No worry from me Dan-E-Boy. I won't be drinking Pinot Noir from
California -- or Oregon again. In fact, after buying/trying a few U.S.
wines in the few months or so, they've had their last chance for at least
another decade; should I live so long.
But, I'll have to limit my drinking to -- let's see, what is it for oldsters
like me? 4 ounces a day - or is that every other day?

Dee


Don't let a limited sampling put you off of some wonderful wines. It's
easy to get overwhelmed by Russian River or Williamette Valley PNs
that cripple the wallet for weeks, but there are some good examples
that might open your eyes to what PN is about.

The trio that always is available at Sam's Club near me, might show up
at Costco near you--Cambria, Chalone and La Crema--The Chalone is the
cheapest and also the lightest in color and flavor. The Cambria and La
Crema both show dark burgundy color, rich black fruit aromas and have
a nice velvety, black cherry and framboise taste.

If you get the chance try them and then start saving up for some
really big wines.

Or, skip PN and leave more for me.

Ed Rasimus
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"Dee Dee" wrote:

"Dan the Man" wrote in message
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On Jul 25, 4:02 pm, "Dee Dee" wrote:
I tried Kirkland/Costco's Oregon Pinot Noir 2005 -- to me, it was not
very
good at all; somewhat resembling a rose. $13.99

But as I like to try all Kirkland's wines, against my better judgement,
I
did buy their Pinot Noir, Central Otago, 2006, New Zealand.
$16.79.http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn.../ks_wine/?pg=5

I'll buy another bottle if they have some left.
Dee


I like Meridian Central Coast Pinot Noir from California. My only
worry is that Consumer Reports actually agrees! There goes the price
(about $10.00 last I looked).

Dan-O


No worry from me Dan-E-Boy. I won't be drinking Pinot Noir from
California -- or Oregon again. In fact, after buying/trying a few U.S.
wines in the few months or so, they've had their last chance for at least
another decade; should I live so long.
But, I'll have to limit my drinking to -- let's see, what is it for oldsters
like me? 4 ounces a day - or is that every other day?

Dee


Unfortunately with Pinot Noir you get what you pay for. This particular
varietal is fragile and not a big producer so the cost for good ones is
always going to be high.


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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:45:22 -0400, "Dee Dee"
wrote:

No worry from me Dan-E-Boy. I won't be drinking Pinot Noir from
California -- or Oregon again. In fact, after buying/trying a few U.S.
wines in the few months or so, they've had their last chance for at least
another decade; should I live so long.
Dee


Don't let a limited sampling put you off of some wonderful wines. It's
easy to get overwhelmed by Russian River or Williamette Valley PNs
that cripple the wallet for weeks, but there are some good examples
that might open your eyes to what PN is about.


I lived in CA and Washington state for 30 years. I've had my share of those
wines; no need for further 'testing.'

The trio that always is available at Sam's Club near me, might show up
at Costco near you--Cambria, Chalone and La Crema--The Chalone is the
If you get the chance try them and then start saving up for some
really big wines.

Or, skip PN and leave more for me.


I think this is what I'll do ;-)) Looks like you're having too much fun to
deprive you.

Dee


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"Lawrence Leichtman" wrote ...........

Unfortunately with Pinot Noir you get what you pay for. This
particular varietal is fragile and not a big producer so the cost
for good ones is always going to be high.



Larry, I am not sure if I agree.

In my experience, Pinot Noir certainly is not fragile - but IT IS very
particular as to the it's optimum growing conditions, to enable the making
of quality wines.

Firstly, PN seems to require a growing environment offer a wide diurnal
temperature range - ideally 30degrC days and 5degrC nights - something
that either altitude in Ca or the northerly latitudes of Oregon offer.

It is also quite averse to humidity of any great degree, and certainly does
prefer a little lime in/under the soil.

I also take issue with your statement that PN is "not a big producer" - in
my experience, certain clones can crop up to ten tonnes per hectare -
however, I do accept that it is an expensive variety to grow, and that the
cost of producing a quality "new world" Pinot certainly does result in
prices much higher than (say) Cabernet Sauvignon or Syrah.

One think I do not despite - yes, good Pinot is never cheap, and cheap
Pinot is seldom good,

--

st.helier




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