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Is this a correct definition?:

- P.N. grown in Burgundy is called Burgundy; grown anywhere else is
called P.N.

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aesthete8 wrote:
Is this a correct definition?:

- P.N. grown in Burgundy is called Burgundy; grown anywhere else is
called P.N.


No, that's not correct. The grape is known as Pinot Noir in Burgundy,
too (except when it's known as Pinot Fin) but wines made from it are
required by law to be labeled with their region name, not their grape
name. Hence, the wines from Burgundy are labeled with the vineyard
name, the village name or "Burgundy," but only in rare cases can the
words "Pinot Noir" appear on the label.

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On Dec 8, 9:13*pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
aesthete8 wrote:
Is this a correct definition?:


- P.N. grown in Burgundy is called Burgundy; grown anywhere else is
called P.N.


No, that's not correct. *The grape is known as Pinot Noir in Burgundy,
too (except when it's known as Pinot Fin) but wines made from it are
required by law to be labeled with their region name, not their grape
name. *Hence, the wines from Burgundy are labeled with the vineyard
name, the village name or "Burgundy," but only in rare cases can the
words "Pinot Noir" appear on the label.

Mark Lipton


Not as rare now as it used to be- now they've expanded so that Pinot
Noir can appear on basic Bourgogne, some producers do, others don't.

Plus Pinot Noir can be called Pinot Nero in Italy, Blauburgunder in
Austria, Spatburgunder in Germany.
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And just to make things even more complicated, the labelling "Bourgogne"
does not necessarily imply that it is 100% P.N., as there is the odd bottle
of Bourgogne-Passetoutgrains containing a blend of PN and Gamay...


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On Dec 8, 9:13 pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
aesthete8 wrote:
Is this a correct definition?:


- P.N. grown in Burgundy is called Burgundy; grown anywhere else is
called P.N.


No, that's not correct. The grape is known as Pinot Noir in Burgundy,
too (except when it's known as Pinot Fin) but wines made from it are
required by law to be labeled with their region name, not their grape
name. Hence, the wines from Burgundy are labeled with the vineyard
name, the village name or "Burgundy," but only in rare cases can the
words "Pinot Noir" appear on the label.

Mark Lipton


Not as rare now as it used to be- now they've expanded so that Pinot
Noir can appear on basic Bourgogne, some producers do, others don't.

Plus Pinot Noir can be called Pinot Nero in Italy, Blauburgunder in
Austria, Spatburgunder in Germany.


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On 12/10/10 1:30 PM, Yves wrote:
And just to make things even more complicated, the labelling "Bourgogne"
does not necessarily imply that it is 100% P.N., as there is the odd bottle
of Bourgogne-Passetoutgrains containing a blend of PN and Gamay...


And of course "Bourgogne" can include Chardonnay, too ;-) There's also
Bourgogne Grand Ordinaire, to really complicate things, that can include
Gamay, too (and the whites can have Melon de Bourgogne, the grape of
Muscadet).

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On 10/12/2010 20:53, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 12/10/10 1:30 PM, Yves wrote:
And just to make things even more complicated, the labelling "Bourgogne"
does not necessarily imply that it is 100% P.N., as there is the odd bottle
of Bourgogne-Passetoutgrains containing a blend of PN and Gamay...


And of course "Bourgogne" can include Chardonnay, too ;-) There's also
Bourgogne Grand Ordinaire, to really complicate things, that can include
Gamay, too (and the whites can have Melon de Bourgogne, the grape of
Muscadet).


Bourgogne Rouge can be 100% Gamay if from one of 9 of the Beaujolais Crus.

And quite a lot of other grapes in small quantities can go into straight
read or white Bourgogne - usually (perhaps exclusively) if there is some
sort of historical precedent in a particular area. I have a white Clos
de l'Arlot, which apparently contains a significant proportion of Pinot
Gris.

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Mark Lipton wrote:

On 12/10/10 1:30 PM, Yves wrote:
And just to make things even more complicated, the labelling "Bourgogne"
does not necessarily imply that it is 100% P.N., as there is the odd bottle
of Bourgogne-Passetoutgrains containing a blend of PN and Gamay...


And of course "Bourgogne" can include Chardonnay, too ;-) There's also
Bourgogne Grand Ordinaire, to really complicate things, that can include
Gamay, too (and the whites can have Melon de Bourgogne, the grape of
Muscadet).


Mark Lipton

And St. Bris,now an Apellation d'Origine Bourgogne Protegée/Controlée,
is made wholly with Sauvignon Blanc.


Tim Hartley


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