On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>
>>>>I see through him.
>>>
>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>
>> Like this (below)
>
>Some of us learn from our mistakes;

Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
up being pushers themselves. You're a weak-willed
nebbish, easily taken in by the lies and disinformation
spread by the pushers here who coerced you into
taking their substances.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>
>>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>>
>>>Like this (below)
>>
>>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
>
> Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
> up being pushers themselves.

That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
to solve.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:28:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>>>
>>>>Like this (below)
>>>
>>>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
>>
>> Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
>> up being pushers themselves.
>
>That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
>evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
>to solve.

Rather than lash out like a hurt child, call me silly
names and delete the evidence which proves you've
lied, explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
changed your tastes for certain foods.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
> changed your tastes for certain foods.

Strawman. My tastes haven't changed (nor have my politics, which is why
I was never vegan to begin with). I'd noted that I would probably resume
eating fish -- much to the outrage of both Lesley and Zakhar -- in posts
from that same era.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:

>Retard wrote:
>> explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>> changed your tastes for certain foods.
>
>Strawman.

You've claimed that your change in stance was
because you learned something from your mistakes,
yet part of this change seems to have altered your
taste for certain foods as well, so it's clear you're
not telling the truth about this alleged learning from
your mistakes because learning from one's mistakes
cannot change one's taste in food as well.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>
>>Strawman.
>
>
> You've claimed that your change in stance was
> because you learned something from your mistakes,

Correct.

> yet part of this change seems

Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?

> to have altered your
> taste for certain foods as well,

Which foods would those be, Nash? I'd already noted in afv, aaev, and
tpa that I'd probably consume fish again. Other than the fish I ate last
week, my diet is virtually unchanged. I consume dairy only when my
girlfriend cooks something with it (non-fat yogurt or skim milk), and
I've had processed foods (e.g., fake Italian sausage) with egg whites
maybe three times in the last year.

> so it's clear you're

The only thing that's clear is you cannot get past shit-stirring.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:51:51 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:34:05 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>
>>>>explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
>>>>changed your tastes for certain foods.
>>>
>>>Strawman.
>>
>> You've claimed that your change in stance was
>> because you learned something from your mistakes,
>
>Correct.
>
>> yet part of this change seems
>
>Seems? Is that the best you can do, fatso?

I wrote 'seems' because I don't believe one's taste in
foods can change by learning something from one's
mistakes.

>> to have altered your
>> taste for certain foods as well,
>
>Which foods would those be

The foods I mentioned which are in your quotes
that you keep snipping away.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

In article >,
usual suspect > wrote:

> Retard wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >>Retard wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Retard wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar"
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
> >>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
> >>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
> >>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
> >>>>>>>therefore answer you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
> >>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
> >>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
> >>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
> >>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
> >>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
> >>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
> >>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
> >>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
> >>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I see through him.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
> >>>
> >>>Like this (below)
> >>
> >>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
> >
> > Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
> > up being pushers themselves.
>
> That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
> evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
> to solve.

How odd? It's usually meat eaters who are involved in the killing of
animals and collateral deaths associated with a vegan diet. Those of use
who eat meat are just plain bad.