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I had posted previously on how I was using all of my starter except for what
stuck to the container and how I was using those remains for my next batch of starter using a cup each of water and flour. This has been working out well for me. Krusteaze sells six-packs of assorted bread mixes. This time, I took one of those packs, cracked wheat, to bake sourdough bread. Again I used all my starter and prepared a new batch. The instructions called for 1 cup of water, but I added an extra 2.5 fl oz for the flour aready in my starter. I added another 2 TBS cracked wheat before kneading in my bread machine. I stopped the knead before the dough got very sticky. I put the dough into a ceramic bread pan and stabbed the hell out of it. It being a nice sunny day, I put the pan in my greenhouse and let it rise for a few hours checking on it at intervals. When it appeared right, I baked it. In one word: Delicious. I really believe that using all of the starter for a loaf rather than a tablespoon or two has resulted in a better and faster leavening starter. Moreover, I put the starter in my refrigerator before the flour has been fully eaten. Bill |
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![]() "Repeating Rifle" wrote in message ... Krusteaze sells six-packs of assorted bread mixes.=20 This time, I took one of those packs, cracked wheat,=20 to bake sourdough bread. Again I used all my starter and prepared a new batch.=20 The instructions called for 1 cup of water, but I added=20 an extra 2.5 fl oz for the flour already in my starter. So you are using your starter to make SD from Krusteaz=20 cracked-wheat BM mix? Did you know that Krusteaz is selling BM mixes that already make SD? Moreover, I put the starter in my refrigerator before the=20 flour has been fully eaten. Who is eating the flour? With you mentions of Krusteaz mixes, you are making us nostalgic for "Billy Fish" AKA "Fishy Bill" who posted at r.f.s. about Krusteaz BM mixes in bygone years. Perhaps you would be interested in=20 searching out some of his posts in the Google archive?=20 -- DickA |
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![]() "Repeating Rifle" wrote in message ... Krusteaze sells six-packs of assorted bread mixes.=20 This time, I took one of those packs, cracked wheat,=20 to bake sourdough bread. Again I used all my starter and prepared a new batch.=20 The instructions called for 1 cup of water, but I added=20 an extra 2.5 fl oz for the flour already in my starter. So you are using your starter to make SD from Krusteaz=20 cracked-wheat BM mix? Did you know that Krusteaz is selling BM mixes that already make SD? Moreover, I put the starter in my refrigerator before the=20 flour has been fully eaten. Who is eating the flour? With you mentions of Krusteaz mixes, you are making us nostalgic for "Billy Fish" AKA "Fishy Bill" who posted at r.f.s. about Krusteaz BM mixes in bygone years. Perhaps you would be interested in=20 searching out some of his posts in the Google archive?=20 -- DickA |
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In any event the technique I am using now gives me great bread with
sour taste, good crust, and good leavening in a reasonable time. The only problem is that after 24 hours the bread has degraded considerably from what it was during the first few hours. Bill Your bread stales faster? if your bread has lots of crack grains it will gradually absorb all the moisture from the large amount of starter you used and hours after your bread has been baked you will end up with a dry textured bread that has some similarity to stale bread. It was done properly considering the slow hydration characteristics of mixed grain breads it will come out still good after several hours or more. I think you better moisten the cracked wheat mix and let it hydrate for some time before adding the rest of the ingredients to it to form a dough. If you do not add water to the dough but just rely on the liquid starter to moisten it you had to add some flour or you have to use a firmer starer instead to attain the desired dough consistency. ...Then you have an allowance for the moistuer to be added to the cracked grain mix. Roy |
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I had posted previously on how I was using all of my starter except for
what stuck to the container and how I was using those remains for my next batch of starter using a cup each of water and flour. I am somewhat horrified here, only two to three tablespoons of starter per loaf? I have to make refreshers of two cups or more, and then put half of that (at least a cup plus refresher of another cup of flour and water) away in the fridge! How does one make a loaf of bread without extra yeast with only a tablespoon of starter? ye gods and little fishes, no wonder my loaves come out strange! gw |
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I had posted previously on how I was using all of my starter except for
what stuck to the container and how I was using those remains for my next batch of starter using a cup each of water and flour. I am somewhat horrified here, only two to three tablespoons of starter per loaf? I have to make refreshers of two cups or more, and then put half of that (at least a cup plus refresher of another cup of flour and water) away in the fridge! How does one make a loaf of bread without extra yeast with only a tablespoon of starter? ye gods and little fishes, no wonder my loaves come out strange! gw |
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I had posted previously on how I was using all of my starter except for what stuck to the container and how I was using those remains for my next batch of starter using a cup each of water and flour. I am somewhat horrified here, only two to three tablespoons of starter per loaf? I think you get this wrong. He uses the old container with remains to grow the starter for the next batch. I think he described it before what amounts he uses - probably in the cup or multiples thereof range. I have to make refreshers of two cups or more, and then put half of that (at least a cup plus refresher of another cup of flour and water) away in the fridge! How does one make a loaf of bread without extra yeast with only a tablespoon of starter? Only with multiple refreshments or an extra long rising time. No need to freak. Samartha |
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gw wrote:
I had posted previously on how I was using all of my starter except for what stuck to the container and how I was using those remains for my next batch of starter using a cup each of water and flour. I am somewhat horrified here, only two to three tablespoons of starter per loaf? I think you get this wrong. He uses the old container with remains to grow the starter for the next batch. I think he described it before what amounts he uses - probably in the cup or multiples thereof range. I have to make refreshers of two cups or more, and then put half of that (at least a cup plus refresher of another cup of flour and water) away in the fridge! How does one make a loaf of bread without extra yeast with only a tablespoon of starter? Only with multiple refreshments or an extra long rising time. No need to freak. Samartha |
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, Samartha Deva at wrote on 3/26/05 7:36 PM: I think you get this wrong. He uses the old container with remains to grow the starter for the next batch. I think he described it before what amounts he uses - probably in the cup or multiples thereof range. I have to make refreshers of two cups or more, and then put half of that (at least a cup plus refresher of another cup of flour and water) away in the fridge! How does one make a loaf of bread without extra yeast with only a tablespoon of starter? That indeed is what I do. The starter clinging to the container is all I use to get the next batch of starter going. By having a lot of starter still fermenting, the leavening time is greatly reduced compared to using only a few tablespoons of startre that has been out of the fridge for 24 hours or more. Only with multiple refreshments or an extra long rising time. No need to freak. Samartha |
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![]() By having a lot of starter still fermenting, the leavening time is greatly reduced compared to using only a few tablespoons of startre that has been out of the fridge for 24 hours or more. You are right there I have seen natural sourdoughs leavened with the final dough flour to starter ratio of 55/45 and it really ferments and proof really fast as if yeast was added; when the fact is ii was just 100% naturally leavened! The bread was very good , iI they want to add mixed whole gtains such as the five or seven grain variety they have to presoak the grain well for several hours to overnight preferably in the cold room. Then when they had finished mixing the bread dough they incorporate the soaked grains for a few minutes at low speed. Roy |
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![]() By having a lot of starter still fermenting, the leavening time is greatly reduced compared to using only a few tablespoons of startre that has been out of the fridge for 24 hours or more. You are right there I have seen natural sourdoughs leavened with the final dough flour to starter ratio of 55/45 and it really ferments and proof really fast as if yeast was added; when the fact is ii was just 100% naturally leavened! The bread was very good , iI they want to add mixed whole gtains such as the five or seven grain variety they have to presoak the grain well for several hours to overnight preferably in the cold room. Then when they had finished mixing the bread dough they incorporate the soaked grains for a few minutes at low speed. Roy |
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![]() "Roy" wrote in message = oups.com... ... I have seen natural sourdoughs leavened with the final dough flour to starter ratio of 55/45 and it really ferments and proof really fast as if yeast was added; when the fact is ii was just 100% naturally leavened! ... Aha! Could that be taken to mean that the "sponge" method can be applied to sourdough baking? |
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![]() "Roy" wrote in message = oups.com... ... I have seen natural sourdoughs leavened with the final dough flour to starter ratio of 55/45 and it really ferments and proof really fast as if yeast was added; when the fact is ii was just 100% naturally leavened! ... Aha! Could that be taken to mean that the "sponge" method can be applied to sourdough baking? |
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