On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 08:31:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>cshenk wrote:
>> Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for beach
>> fires.
>
>On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no campgrounds
>near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>
>Name one.

I don't know about Virgina but NYC beaches permit cook fires.... some
beaches encourage ukelele style, they'll even dig some pits. What they
don't permit are glass bottles... wanna party bring a keg... no glass
allowed.

On 2021-02-23 10:38 a.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 02:34:26 -0800, Leo >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021 Feb 23, , Bruce wrote
>> (in >):
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:55:18 -0800, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Give it a rest, Bud. Everyone knows that only a Marxist would scream and
>>>> point to supposed Marxists while being one themselves. Cheap trick.
>>>> Shhhhhhhh!
>>> Cheap tricks! Marxism!
>>
>> Heil Lenin, right? You´re too "special" to pull off word tricks with me.
>> Go! Go! UoW!
>> I´ll let you be Echo, once again. It´s 2:30 AM here, and I´m
>> sleepy.
>>
> Word tricks? Marxism!
>
Bad-hair day? Marxist-Leninism!

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:13:38 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-02-23 10:38 a.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 02:34:26 -0800, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Feb 23, , Bruce wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:55:18 -0800, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Give it a rest, Bud. Everyone knows that only a Marxist would scream and
>>>>> point to supposed Marxists while being one themselves. Cheap trick.
>>>>> Shhhhhhhh!
>>>> Cheap tricks! Marxism!
>>>
>>> Heil Lenin, right? You´re too "special" to pull off word tricks with me.
>>> Go! Go! UoW!
>>> I´ll let you be Echo, once again. It´s 2:30 AM here, and I´m
>>> sleepy.
>>>
>> Word tricks? Marxism!
>>
>Bad-hair day? Marxist-Leninism!

Yes, it's everywhere! Snow in Texas? Yeah, right!

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for beach
> > fires.
>
> On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
> campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>
> Name one.

FOrt Story, Dam Neck, Sandbridge, any area NOT private property along
the beach outside of the resort area.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 2/22/2021 11:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/22/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
> > > > On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 9:09:35 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > > > On 2/21/2021 1:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:36:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > > >
> >
<https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/communications-office/fact-or-fiction/Pages/Beach-Rules.aspx>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, but you're being reasonable. I was trying to adapt to
> > > > > > Gary
> > > > > Don't go by that "tourist friendly" VB govt site. They
> > > > > conveniently left off many of the beach restrictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a joke that list of prohibited things is. It's worse than
> > > > > that.
> > > > They should allow grilling. As long as the people doing so
> > > > protect their grills from going off, meaning starting a fire
> > > > outside grill area. Sand and fire extinguishers come to mind.
> > > > They should allow fires, as long as the people involved have
> > > > safety precautions in effect. People like to hang around fires
> > > > and talk and hang out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Have you ever been to Virginia Beach on a weekend? When crowded
> > > there is no way to have a safe fire or grill. Hang out around a
> > > fire when it is sunny and 95 degrees? Same with NJ beaches. No
> > > way to safely grill there. Maybe in December.
> >
> > Correct. One of my friends has beachfront property (private) and he
> > does have a brick pit for grilling or a fire but they only use it
> > for partys when it's getting chilly.
> >
>
> Can you see fires and grilling on this beach?
>
> https://tinyurl.com/1fsl2lhr

Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah, we
aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.

On 2/23/2021 2:30 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 08:31:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for beach
>>> fires.
>>
>> On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no campgrounds
>> near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>>
>> Name one.
>
> I don't know about Virgina but NYC beaches permit cook fires.... some
> beaches encourage ukelele style, they'll even dig some pits. What they
> don't permit are glass bottles... wanna party bring a keg... no glass
> allowed.
>
Virginia Beach oceanfront doesn't allow glass, fires or beer.
They keep trying to promote it as a family beach but that's long gone.
These days, on evenings and night time, the entire area is a hangout and
haven for local gangs along with the required crime and shootings.

One year, they limited "cruising" down Atlantic Ave to only one round
trip per night.

One year they even made christmas trees illegal unless they were the
artificial ones. That stupid new law only lasted about 2 weeks until
they got so many complaints, they ended it.

On 2/23/2021 10:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for beach
>>> fires.
>>
>> On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
>> campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>>
>> Name one.
>
> FOrt Story, Dam Neck, Sandbridge, any area NOT private property along
> the beach outside of the resort area.

You still didn't name a campground on the oceanfront.
Fort Story and Dam Neck are military bases and only military allowed
now. No campgrounds on either. I've been on both bases many times in the
past. Also Camp Pendleton (a national guard base).

Sandbridge is all residential...no campgrounds. South of that is Back
Bay National Refuge. No campgrounds there either.

Here's a list of all oceanfront from Cape Henry to the NC border.
The entire coast of Virginia Beach, north to south.

- Fort Story, no campgrounds
- North Beach, all residential, no campgrounds
- Tourist area (40th street to Rudee Inlet), no campgrounds
- Croatan, all residential with no street parking, no campgrounds
- Camp Pendleton, no campgrounds
- Dam Neck naval base, no campgrounds
- Sandbridge, residential, no campgrounds
- Back Bay National Refuge, no campgrounds
- After that, the NC border.

There is a KOA campground in Virginia Beach but it's no where near the
oceanfront.

The only other campground I know about here is the one in the state
park, (Seashore State Park, renamed to First Landing State Park). That
camping area is near the water but it's on the Chesapeake Bay coast, not
the ocean.

cshenk wrote:
> Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah, we
> aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.

Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down here to
spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks everywhere about a
mile from the oceanfront.

If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot and
take a bus to and from the oceanfront.

I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's busy.
That's where my bike comes in handy.

On 2/24/2021 8:10 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 2/23/2021 2:30 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 08:31:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>> Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for beach
>>>> fires.
>>>
>>> On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no campgrounds
>>> near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>>>
>>> Name one.
>>
>> I don't know about Virgina but NYC beaches permit cook fires.... some
>> beaches encourage ukelele style, they'll even dig some pits. What they
>> don't permit are glass bottles... wanna party bring a keg... no glass
>> allowed.
>>
> Virginia Beach oceanfront doesn't allow glass, fires or beer.
> They keep trying to promote it as a family beach but that's long gone.
> These days, on evenings and night time, the entire area is a hangout and
> haven for local gangs along with the required crime and shootings.
>
> One year, they limited "cruising" down Atlantic Ave to only one round
> trip per night.
>
> One year they even made christmas trees illegal unless they were the
> artificial ones. That stupid new law only lasted about 2 weeks until
> they got so many complaints, they ended it.
>
>
>
>
>
Fire hazard? When I lived I Philly it was common for kids to gather up
discarded trees and burn them in the street. Hot and fast with high
flames.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 2/24/2021 8:10 AM, Gary wrote:
> > On 2/23/2021 2:30 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >>On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 08:31:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas
> > > > > for beach fires.
> > > >
> > > > On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
> > > > campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
> > > >
> > > > Name one.
> > >
> > > I don't know about Virgina but NYC beaches permit cook fires....
> > > some beaches encourage ukelele style, they'll even dig some pits.
> > > What they don't permit are glass bottles... wanna party bring a
> > > keg... no glass allowed.
> > >
> > Virginia Beach oceanfront doesn't allow glass, fires or beer.
> > They keep trying to promote it as a family beach but that's long
> > gone. These days, on evenings and night time, the entire area is a
> > hangout and haven for local gangs along with the required crime
> > and shootings.
> >
> > One year, they limited "cruising" down Atlantic Ave to only one
> > round trip per night.
> >
> > One year they even made christmas trees illegal unless they were
> > the artificial ones. That stupid new law only lasted about 2 weeks
> > until they got so many complaints, they ended it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Fire hazard? When I lived I Philly it was common for kids to gather
> up discarded trees and burn them in the street. Hot and fast with
> high flames.

Don't know what he's talking about. It's only something about a
collecton at the beach of dead Xmas trees used to restore sand dunes I
can find. I assure you, they never outlaws real ones in the home.
Might have been a bit on cut lives one on the boardwalk area itself for
a bit? Can't find it.

Gary wrote:

> On 2/23/2021 10:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for
> > > > beach fires.
> > >
> > > On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
> > > campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
> > >
> > > Name one.
> >
> > FOrt Story, Dam Neck, Sandbridge, any area NOT private property
> > along the beach outside of the resort area.
>
> You still didn't name a campground on the oceanfront.
> Fort Story and Dam Neck are military bases and only military allowed
> now. No campgrounds on either. I've been on both bases many times in
> the past. Also Camp Pendleton (a national guard base).
>
> Sandbridge is all residential...no campgrounds. South of that is Back
> Bay National Refuge. No campgrounds there either.
>
> Here's a list of all oceanfront from Cape Henry to the NC border.
> The entire coast of Virginia Beach, north to south.
>
> - Fort Story, no campgrounds
> - North Beach, all residential, no campgrounds
> - Tourist area (40th street to Rudee Inlet), no campgrounds
> - Croatan, all residential with no street parking, no campgrounds
> - Camp Pendleton, no campgrounds
> - Dam Neck naval base, no campgrounds
> - Sandbridge, residential, no campgrounds
> - Back Bay National Refuge, no campgrounds
> - After that, the NC border.
>
> There is a KOA campground in Virginia Beach but it's no where near
> the oceanfront.
>
> The only other campground I know about here is the one in the state
> park, (Seashore State Park, renamed to First Landing State Park).
> That camping area is near the water but it's on the Chesapeake Bay
> coast, not the ocean.

The entire oceanfront outside the resport area. As deleted but
initially stated, some require base access.

Dam Neck has cabins at the beach. Fort Story has same. The entire
area along Pungo. Sandbridge has tons of cabins at the beach you can
rent and do that on.

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah,
> > we aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.
>
> Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
> oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down here
> to spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks everywhere
> about a mile from the oceanfront.
>
> If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
> staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot
> and take a bus to and from the oceanfront.
>
> I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's busy.
> That's where my bike comes in handy.

Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
and best I can tell, almost never leave it.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:13:35 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>> > Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah,
>> > we aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.
>>
>> Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
>> oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down here
>> to spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks everywhere
>> about a mile from the oceanfront.
>>
>> If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
>> staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot
>> and take a bus to and from the oceanfront.
>>
>> I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's busy.
>> That's where my bike comes in handy.
>
>Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>and best I can tell, almost never leave it.

Gary's an armchair traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
--

The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

cshenk wrote:
> Don't know what he's talking about. It's only something about a
> collecton at the beach of dead Xmas trees used to restore sand dunes I
> can find. I assure you, they never outlaws real ones in the home.
> Might have been a bit on cut lives one on the boardwalk area itself for
> a bit? Can't find it.

You were probably still in the Navy then and not living here.

They did indeed outlaw (cut live trees in the house). I saw it on the
news. Couple of days later, a neighbor of mine asked me about it. She
was really worried because she already had one and decorated. I assured
her that it's ok...no police will be knocking on her door to inspect her
Christmas tree.... no Christmas tree police patrols. hheh

As I said, so many locals complained that they cancelled the law a week
or two later.

Virginia Beach has a long history of making bad events just "go away.

- The silly christmas tree 2-week law
- The old "greek fest" riot.
- The courthouse mass shooting almost 2 years ago

The last two above were both 'VABeach is a racist city' events.

If you refuse to believe that, just talk to any older person that grew
up here.

I moved here almost 48 years ago. I was shocked at how racism was so bad
here compared to growing up in Maryland.

On 2/25/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2021 10:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas for
>>>>> beach fires.
>>>>
>>>> On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
>>>> campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
>>>>
>>>> Name one.
>>>
>>> FOrt Story, Dam Neck, Sandbridge, any area NOT private property
>>> along the beach outside of the resort area.
>>
>> You still didn't name a campground on the oceanfront.
>> Fort Story and Dam Neck are military bases and only military allowed
>> now. No campgrounds on either. I've been on both bases many times in
>> the past. Also Camp Pendleton (a national guard base).
>>
>> Sandbridge is all residential...no campgrounds. South of that is Back
>> Bay National Refuge. No campgrounds there either.
>>
>> Here's a list of all oceanfront from Cape Henry to the NC border.
>> The entire coast of Virginia Beach, north to south.
>>
>> - Fort Story, no campgrounds
>> - North Beach, all residential, no campgrounds
>> - Tourist area (40th street to Rudee Inlet), no campgrounds
>> - Croatan, all residential with no street parking, no campgrounds
>> - Camp Pendleton, no campgrounds
>> - Dam Neck naval base, no campgrounds
>> - Sandbridge, residential, no campgrounds
>> - Back Bay National Refuge, no campgrounds
>> - After that, the NC border.
>>
>> There is a KOA campground in Virginia Beach but it's no where near
>> the oceanfront.
>>
>> The only other campground I know about here is the one in the state
>> park, (Seashore State Park, renamed to First Landing State Park).
>> That camping area is near the water but it's on the Chesapeake Bay
>> coast, not the ocean.
>
> The entire oceanfront outside the resport area. As deleted but
> initially stated, some require base access.
>
> Dam Neck has cabins at the beach. Fort Story has same. The entire
> area along Pungo. Sandbridge has tons of cabins at the beach you can
> rent and do that on.
>

As you stated, the military bases are for military only, not the general
public.

Pungo is nowhere near the ocean. It was originially all farm land. Now
the farms have been mostly sold and turned into residential
neighborhoods. No campgrounds there.

Sandbridge has many giant houses for rent but no cabins, much less "tons
of cabins." lol
I don't consider a 3-story house on stilts a "cabin." They are all
privately owned large vacation houses. The owners stay there for a month
or so in the summer but try to rent them out the rest of the year.

You should actually drive down this way sometime. You live very close
but where you live is so different from the oceanfront. It's a very
different world.

Back in the early 1970's we had the City of Virginia Beach and Virginia
Beach county. One year City Council decided to combine both and call all
the "City of VB."

Then they advertised fake news. They were able to call it "The World's
Largest Resort City."

That attracted many tourists to come only to find out that the actual
resort part was only 2 blocks wide and 3 miles long. Notice they don't
make that claim anymore.

On 2/25/2021 10:13 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah,
>>> we aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.
>>
>> Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
>> oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down here
>> to spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks everywhere
>> about a mile from the oceanfront.
>>
>> If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
>> staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot
>> and take a bus to and from the oceanfront.
>>
>> I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's busy.
>> That's where my bike comes in handy.
>
> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>
I've been to the entire coast, either living, working and/or surfing. I
do know what I'm talking about. Originally, I lived in your neighborhood
too. Windsor Woods and the Plaza area. Way different from any of the
oceanfront.

Bruce wrote:
> "cshenk" wrote:
>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>
> Gary's an armchair traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.

Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
I know coastal Virginia Beach.

Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
two very different worlds....seriously.

On 2/26/2021 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> *Bruce wrote:
>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>>
>> Gary's an armchair* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
>
> Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
> I know coastal Virginia Beach.
>
> Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
> two very different worlds....seriously.
>
>
>
>
>
The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the coast.
Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about where you
live and even education.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:46:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/26/2021 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> *Bruce wrote:
>>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>>>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>>>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>>>
>>> Gary's an armchair* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
>>
>> Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
>> I know coastal Virginia Beach.
>>
>> Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
>> two very different worlds....seriously.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the coast.
>Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about where you
>live and even education.
>


I like Margate.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:04:20 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>On 2/26/2021 Gary wrote:
>>> *Bruce wrote:
>>>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>>>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>>>>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>>>>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Gary's an armchair* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.

Doesn't cost much to travel New York City, all yoose need is a subway
token or a bicycle. Actually traveling in Brooklyn gives a greater
experience than world travel.

>>> Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
>>> I know coastal Virginia Beach.
>>>
>>> Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
>>> two very different worlds....seriously.
>>>
>>The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the coast.
>>Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about where you
>>live and even education.
>
>I like Margate.

I like Seagate... I graduated from Stinkin Lincoln High School, as did
many famous people. If you're a true foodie there's no place on the
planet that's better represented than Brooklyn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Gate,_Brooklyn

Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:13:35 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>> Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but yeah,
>>>> we aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the resort area.
>>>
>>> Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
>>> oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down here
>>> to spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks everywhere
>>> about a mile from the oceanfront.
>>>
>>> If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
>>> staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot
>>> and take a bus to and from the oceanfront.
>>>
>>> I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's busy.
>>> That's where my bike comes in handy.
>>
>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>
> Gary's an armchair traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
>

Indeed, and you are a cyber butt sniffer.

On 2/26/2021 11:04 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:46:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/26/2021 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Â*Bruce wrote:
>>>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>>>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>>>>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>>>>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Gary's an armchairÂ* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
>>>
>>> Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
>>> I know coastal Virginia Beach.
>>>
>>> Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
>>> two very different worlds....seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the coast.
>> Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about where you
>> live and even education.
>>
>
>
> I like Margate.
>
Your a sophisticated person then. If you go to Stone Harbor don't hold
hands on the beach. Wildwood is blue collar Philadelphia and a lot of
Canadians. Cape May was an older crowd and nice Victorian homes.

I go to Ocean City because my good friend has a beach front property
there. They used to have two others but they sold two. I was nice to
stay in a place that rents for $4000 a week for free. If they had a
cancellation I would get a call and was given use for a week.

She now has one property and no longer rents but I stay with her now
when I go.

I also have relatives in Wildwood, Beach Haven, Tuckerton.

I've not been to Atlantic City for years. The casinos changed the
makeup of visitors there. Years ago there were a few classy hotels for
the well-to-do and they could wear there furs walking the boardwalk at
night.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:31:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/26/2021 11:04 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:46:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/26/2021 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> *Bruce wrote:
>>>>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>>>>> Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
>>>>>> Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of it
>>>>>> and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary's an armchair* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
>>>>
>>>> Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
>>>> I know coastal Virginia Beach.
>>>>
>>>> Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
>>>> two very different worlds....seriously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the coast.
>>> Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about where you
>>> live and even education.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I like Margate.
>>
>Your a sophisticated person then.

I have always hoped so. Thanks.

> If you go to Stone Harbor don't hold
>hands on the beach. Wildwood is blue collar Philadelphia and a lot of
>Canadians. Cape May was an older crowd and nice Victorian homes.

I have never understood the allure of any of the WIldwoods. Completely
escapes me. Although I know it is more, all I can think of is those
tacky motels with rusted chises around a pool that has seen better
days. Cape May is very pretty, though and the birding can be great at
migration times.
>
>I go to Ocean City because my good friend has a beach front property
>there. They used to have two others but they sold two. I was nice to
>stay in a place that rents for $4000 a week for free. If they had a
>cancellation I would get a call and was given use for a week.
>
>She now has one property and no longer rents but I stay with her now
>when I go.

The best way to do the shore is if someone else owns the place and
invites you down.
>
>I also have relatives in Wildwood, Beach Haven, Tuckerton.

So much of the NJ shore is striking- at least those parts that are not
out and outright honky-tonk. Although, I have to admit, a nice corn
dog or slice and an ice cream cone on a noisy boardwalk can be a lot
of fun.
>
>I've not been to Atlantic City for years. The casinos changed the
>makeup of visitors there. Years ago there were a few classy hotels for
>the well-to-do and they could wear there furs walking the boardwalk at
>night.

AC has changed a lot even since the casinos started taking over the
shore parts. I am fond of slot machines to the equivalent of a nice
dinner and theater tickets in NYC, so used to go down and spend it
there instead, once in awhile. We were really more interested in
having a nice room with an ocean view (I liked the Borgata) and
visiting some of the older restaurants, though. We have had some
magnificent meals at those old places- some crummy ones, too.

I have always thought it awful that the casinos went into AC with
great promises that the govt money made would pour into helping AC. I
have never seen a nickel's worth of improvement more than a block or
two off the hotel strips. There is a stark divide between the casino
areas and the rest of the place. I cannot say I have done any sort of
research into why the city is still so poverty-ridden - a gazillion
reasons, I assume, but, boy, that beach front is beautiful. Recently,
however, the casinos are depressing - or at least they were getting
that way before that world ended in viral miasma. I ain't going near
that sort of place these days.

I confess, though, to liking California beachfront more these days. I
had an aunt whose lived in one of those hang-over-the cliff places in
Pacific Palisades and just decided that I prefer earthquakes to
hurricanes.

On 2/26/2021 8:58 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:


>>>
>>>
>>> I like Margate.
>>>
>> Your a sophisticated person then.
>
> I have always hoped so. Thanks.
>
>> If you go to Stone Harbor don't hold
>> hands on the beach. Wildwood is blue collar Philadelphia and a lot of
>> Canadians. Cape May was an older crowd and nice Victorian homes.
>
> I have never understood the allure of any of the WIldwoods. Completely
> escapes me. Although I know it is more, all I can think of is those
> tacky motels with rusted chises around a pool that has seen better
> days. Cape May is very pretty, though and the birding can be great at
> migration times.

Wildwood has a lot of bars, night clubs, boardwalk that appeals to the
younger crowd.


>>
>> I go to Ocean City because my good friend has a beach front property
>> there. They used to have two others but they sold two. I was nice to
>> stay in a place that rents for $4000 a week for free. If they had a
>> cancellation I would get a call and was given use for a week.
>>
>> She now has one property and no longer rents but I stay with her now
>> when I go.
>
> The best way to do the shore is if someone else owns the place and
> invites you down.

Yes, it is. I've been fortunate that way. When I lived in Philly a day
trip would be Seaside Heights or Brigantine.

The Ocean City came about when good friends bought a place about 1980 or
so. To pay for it, they rented it out most of the summer but eventually
invested in a couple of other properties. They did well over the years.

After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
together. She does not want to live there year round though.

Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.



> So much of the NJ shore is striking- at least those parts that are not
> out and outright honky-tonk. Although, I have to admit, a nice corn
> dog or slice and an ice cream cone on a noisy boardwalk can be a lot
> of fun.

Yes, but not every day of my vacation. Once a year.



>
> AC has changed a lot even since the casinos started taking over the
> shore parts. I am fond of slot machines to the equivalent of a nice
> dinner and theater tickets in NYC, so used to go down and spend it
> there instead, once in awhile. We were really more interested in
> having a nice room with an ocean view (I liked the Borgata) and
> visiting some of the older restaurants, though. We have had some
> magnificent meals at those old places- some crummy ones, too.

I've not been to any of them.My MIL used to go a couple of times a month
on the bus from the senior center. I think her SS was direct deposited
to the casinos.


>
> I have always thought it awful that the casinos went into AC with
> great promises that the govt money made would pour into helping AC. I
> have never seen a nickel's worth of improvement more than a block or
> two off the hotel strips. There is a stark divide between the casino
> areas and the rest of the place. I cannot say I have done any sort of
> research into why the city is still so poverty-ridden - a gazillion
> reasons, I assume, but, boy, that beach front is beautiful. Recently,
> however, the casinos are depressing - or at least they were getting
> that way before that world ended in viral miasma. I ain't going near
> that sort of place these days.

My guess is the casino owners care about casinos and not the poverty a
block away. Lots of promises, little real action. I'd think they have
tax dollars to do more though.


>
> I confess, though, to liking California beachfront more these days. I
> had an aunt whose lived in one of those hang-over-the cliff places in
> Pacific Palisades and just decided that I prefer earthquakes to
> hurricanes.

Different world.
>

Bruce wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:13:35 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >> > Nope, and I don't think our top days are THAT crowded-bad but
> yeah, >> > we aren't a safe place for fires on the beach in the
> resort area. >>
> >> Your part of Virginia Beach is a whole different world from the
> >> oceanfront. On a big holiday weekend, you can't even drive down
> here >> to spend a day at the beach. Police set up roadblocks
> everywhere >> about a mile from the oceanfront.
> >>
> >> If you don't show proof of living within that mile or have proof of
> >> staying in a motel, they turn you around to go park in a remote lot
> >> and take a bus to and from the oceanfront.
> >>
> >> I live within that area but I still don't drive there when it's
> busy. >> That's where my bike comes in handy.
> >
> > Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of Virginia
> > Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile square radius of
> > it and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
>
> Gary's an armchair traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.

He doesn't travel VB much for sure and may be looking at 'state parks
that allow fires in the beach' or something? Either way, he's not an
idiot, just doesn't travel much outside his area.

Here's a fun one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knotts...North_Carolina

Part of it is Virginia Beach but yo have to cross to NC to get there by
land. Lovely place. Went there with some friends in 2015 I think it
was, to plant some apple trees along a friend's horse farm along with
some others from more central Virgnia Beach. Yes, you can have a fire
on the beach there too.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 2/26/2021 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> > *Bruce wrote:
> > > "cshenk" wrote:
> > > > Gary love you but it's clear you know only that tiny bit of
> > > > Virginia Beach. You are 'bitching' about a less than 3 mile
> > > > square radius of it and best I can tell, almost never leave it.
> > >
> > > Gary's an armchair* traveller. It's cheaper than real travel.
> >
> > Carol knows inland Virginia Beach.
> > I know coastal Virginia Beach.
> >
> > Even though we live maybe only 8 miles apart, it's
> > two very different worlds....seriously.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> The Jersey shore is the same. Town to town it varies along the
> coast. Tell me what shore town you visit and I can tell a lot about
> where you live and even education.

Gary lives by the boardwalk area (tourist part) of Virginia beach.
Apparently close enough to walk to bike to it.

I live apparently 8 miles from him but explore a lot. Been to many a
'beach fire' that technically isn't a 'beach' because it's an estuary
(I think that is what it is called but we call them 'necks') that lead
to the ocean but are 3 miles or so from proper ocean. Been to ones at
Fort Story and Sandbridge area and quite a few in Norfolk or Northside
of the tunnel.

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Don't know what he's talking about. It's only something about a
> > collecton at the beach of dead Xmas trees used to restore sand
> > dunes I can find. I assure you, they never outlaws real ones in
> > the home. Might have been a bit on cut lives one on the boardwalk
> > area itself for a bit? Can't find it.
>
> You were probably still in the Navy then and not living here.
>
> They did indeed outlaw (cut live trees in the house). I saw it on the
> news. Couple of days later, a neighbor of mine asked me about it. She
> was really worried because she already had one and decorated. I
> assured her that it's ok...no police will be knocking on her door to
> inspect her Christmas tree.... no Christmas tree police patrols. hheh
>
> As I said, so many locals complained that they cancelled the law a
> week or two later.
>
> Virginia Beach has a long history of making bad events just "go away.
>
> - The silly christmas tree 2-week law
> - The old "greek fest" riot.
> - The courthouse mass shooting almost 2 years ago
>
> The last two above were both 'VABeach is a racist city' events.
>
> If you refuse to believe that, just talk to any older person that
> grew up here.
>
> I moved here almost 48 years ago. I was shocked at how racism was so
> bad here compared to growing up in Maryland.

Gary, you need to understand that the Greek Fest Riot is still there
and resulted in police training on racism that has stood pretty well
over time.

The courthouse shooting is also still there.

The Xmas tree bit isn't. THe only thing on that is a 2 week period on
when you get free pickups or to *drop them off* at various locations
for use to help retain sand.

Gary wrote:

> On 2/25/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/23/2021 10:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Gary wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > > Fires, no but plenty of our campground areas have calderas
> > > > > > for beach fires.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the entire Atlantic ocean coast in Virginia, there are no
> > > > > campgrounds near the beach and no calderas for beach fires.
> > > > >
> > > > > Name one.
> > > >
> > > > FOrt Story, Dam Neck, Sandbridge, any area NOT private property
> > > > along the beach outside of the resort area.
> > >
> > > You still didn't name a campground on the oceanfront.
> > > Fort Story and Dam Neck are military bases and only military
> > > allowed now. No campgrounds on either. I've been on both bases
> > > many times in the past. Also Camp Pendleton (a national guard
> > > base).
> > >
> > > Sandbridge is all residential...no campgrounds. South of that is
> > > Back Bay National Refuge. No campgrounds there either.
> > >
> > > Here's a list of all oceanfront from Cape Henry to the NC border.
> > > The entire coast of Virginia Beach, north to south.
> > >
> > > - Fort Story, no campgrounds
> > > - North Beach, all residential, no campgrounds
> > > - Tourist area (40th street to Rudee Inlet), no campgrounds
> > > - Croatan, all residential with no street parking, no campgrounds
> > > - Camp Pendleton, no campgrounds
> > > - Dam Neck naval base, no campgrounds
> > > - Sandbridge, residential, no campgrounds
> > > - Back Bay National Refuge, no campgrounds
> > > - After that, the NC border.
> > >
> > > There is a KOA campground in Virginia Beach but it's no where near
> > > the oceanfront.
> > >
> > > The only other campground I know about here is the one in the
> > > state park, (Seashore State Park, renamed to First Landing State
> > > Park). That camping area is near the water but it's on the
> > > Chesapeake Bay coast, not the ocean.
> >
> > The entire oceanfront outside the resport area. As deleted but
> > initially stated, some require base access.
> >
> > Dam Neck has cabins at the beach. Fort Story has same. The entire
> > area along Pungo. Sandbridge has tons of cabins at the beach you
> > can rent and do that on.
> >
>
> As you stated, the military bases are for military only, not the
> general public.
>
> Pungo is nowhere near the ocean. It was originially all farm land.
> Now the farms have been mostly sold and turned into residential
> neighborhoods. No campgrounds there.
>
> Sandbridge has many giant houses for rent but no cabins, much less
> "tons of cabins." lol I don't consider a 3-story house on stilts a
> "cabin." They are all privately owned large vacation houses. The
> owners stay there for a month or so in the summer but try to rent
> them out the rest of the year.
>
> You should actually drive down this way sometime. You live very close
> but where you live is so different from the oceanfront. It's a very
> different world.
>
> Back in the early 1970's we had the City of Virginia Beach and
> Virginia Beach county. One year City Council decided to combine both
> and call all the "City of VB."
>
> Then they advertised fake news. They were able to call it "The
> World's Largest Resort City."
>
> That attracted many tourists to come only to find out that the actual
> resort part was only 2 blocks wide and 3 miles long. Notice they
> don't make that claim anymore.

Gary, I've been there. I was at the Convention center yesterday.

I assume you say 'Pungo isnt Ocean' because of Sandbridge?

On 2/26/2021 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>
> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.

That's so crazy too. You own the property yet you're charged $30K a year
for property tax. Get outta here.

Same thing with North Beach here. Property taxes are unbelievable.

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 8:26:10 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> On 2/26/2021 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
> > property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
> > grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
> > together. She does not want to live there year round though.
> >
> > Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
> That's so crazy too. You own the property yet you're charged $30K a year
> for property tax. Get outta here.
>
> Same thing with North Beach here. Property taxes are unbelievable.

What are the property tax rates? What are the assessed values?

Ann Arbor tax rates (50.4649 mills) are higher than those outside the
city limits (40.4869 for my location). The property values are substantially
higher ($202 per square foot inside the city, compared with $87 - $162
outside the city). The result is a much higher tax bill.

That's one of several reasons I live outside the city limits.

However, everybody who pays those outrageous Ann Arbor prices
thinks it's worth it. Or they wouldn't live there.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/27/2021 8:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 8:26:10 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> On 2/26/2021 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
>>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
>>> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>>> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>>>
>>> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
>> That's so crazy too. You own the property yet you're charged $30K a year
>> for property tax. Get outta here.
>>
>> Same thing with North Beach here. Property taxes are unbelievable.
>
> What are the property tax rates? What are the assessed values?
>
> Ann Arbor tax rates (50.4649 mills) are higher than those outside the
> city limits (40.4869 for my location). The property values are substantially
> higher ($202 per square foot inside the city, compared with $87 - $162
> outside the city). The result is a much higher tax bill.
>
> That's one of several reasons I live outside the city limits.
>
> However, everybody who pays those outrageous Ann Arbor prices
> thinks it's worth it. Or they wouldn't live there.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

We got our tax bill yesterday in the mail . My annual taxes this time
around are $115 and change ... that's for our property and all the
vehicles . Of course we don't have all that fancy city infrastructure to
pay for either .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 10:00:54 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> On 2/27/2021 8:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 8:26:10 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> On 2/26/2021 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
> >>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
> >>> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
> >>> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
> >>>
> >>> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
> >> That's so crazy too. You own the property yet you're charged $30K a year
> >> for property tax. Get outta here.
> >>
> >> Same thing with North Beach here. Property taxes are unbelievable.
> >
> > What are the property tax rates? What are the assessed values?
> >
> > Ann Arbor tax rates (50.4649 mills) are higher than those outside the
> > city limits (40.4869 for my location). The property values are substantially
> > higher ($202 per square foot inside the city, compared with $87 - $162
> > outside the city). The result is a much higher tax bill.
> >
> > That's one of several reasons I live outside the city limits.
> >
> > However, everybody who pays those outrageous Ann Arbor prices
> > thinks it's worth it. Or they wouldn't live there.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> We got our tax bill yesterday in the mail . My annual taxes this time
> around are $115 and change ... that's for our property and all the
> vehicles . Of course we don't have all that fancy city infrastructure to
> pay for either .

It costs a bunch to plow and salt the roads multiple times a year
up here. I just paid my winter tax bill: $1514 and change. We don't
have personal property taxes on cars, but the registration fees amount
to a tax. Those are due on one's birthday (what a nice present). Ours
are more than $100 for each car.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/27/2021 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 8:26:10 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> On 2/26/2021 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
>>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
>>> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>>> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>>>
>>> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
>> That's so crazy too. You own the property yet you're charged $30K a year
>> for property tax. Get outta here.
>>
>> Same thing with North Beach here. Property taxes are unbelievable.
>
> What are the property tax rates? What are the assessed values?
>
> Ann Arbor tax rates (50.4649 mills) are higher than those outside the
> city limits (40.4869 for my location). The property values are substantially
> higher ($202 per square foot inside the city, compared with $87 - $162
> outside the city). The result is a much higher tax bill.
>
> That's one of several reasons I live outside the city limits.
>
> However, everybody who pays those outrageous Ann Arbor prices
> thinks it's worth it. Or they wouldn't live there.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
No idea of the rate but the property value is north of $2.5 Million. It
is a very nice 2200 sq. ft. Did I mention the elevator?

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:57:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/26/2021 8:58 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like Margate.
>>>>
>>> Your a sophisticated person then.
>>
>> I have always hoped so. Thanks.
>>
>>> If you go to Stone Harbor don't hold
>>> hands on the beach. Wildwood is blue collar Philadelphia and a lot of
>>> Canadians. Cape May was an older crowd and nice Victorian homes.
>>
>> I have never understood the allure of any of the WIldwoods. Completely
>> escapes me. Although I know it is more, all I can think of is those
>> tacky motels with rusted chises around a pool that has seen better
>> days. Cape May is very pretty, though and the birding can be great at
>> migration times.
>
>Wildwood has a lot of bars, night clubs, boardwalk that appeals to the
>younger crowd.

That appeal stretches up and down the shore, too. Ages ago I recall
talking to a dealer at the Borgata who said the casino made some of
its greatest profits on summer weekends from that very same, well
lubricated, fun loving crowd.

>
>>
>> The best way to do the shore is if someone else owns the place and
>> invites you down.
>
>Yes, it is. I've been fortunate that way. When I lived in Philly a day
>trip would be Seaside Heights or Brigantine.
>
>The Ocean City came about when good friends bought a place about 1980 or
>so. To pay for it, they rented it out most of the summer but eventually
>invested in a couple of other properties. They did well over the years.
>
>After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
>property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
>grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>
>Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.

Although that seems high - it IS high, of course- I've acquaintances
in Princeton who pay more in taxes but do not enjoy such magnificent
a view.

Still, it is always good to have close friends. Companionship is a
pleasure of life.

>> So much of the NJ shore is striking- at least those parts that are not
>> out and outright honky-tonk. Although, I have to admit, a nice corn
>> dog or slice and an ice cream cone on a noisy boardwalk can be a lot
>> of fun.
>

>Yes, but not every day of my vacation. Once a year.
Excellent choice.
>

>> AC has changed a lot even since the casinos started taking over the
>> shore parts. I am fond of slot machines to the equivalent of a nice
>> dinner and theater tickets in NYC, so used to go down and spend it
>> there instead, once in awhile. We were really more interested in
>> having a nice room with an ocean view (I liked the Borgata) and
>> visiting some of the older restaurants, though. We have had some
>> magnificent meals at those old places- some crummy ones, too.
>
>I've not been to any of them.My MIL used to go a couple of times a month
>on the bus from the senior center. I think her SS was direct deposited
>to the casinos.

The bus gamblers are a class unto themselves.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:19:03 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:57:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
>
>Although that seems high - it IS high, of course- I've acquaintances
>in Princeton who pay more in taxes but do not enjoy such magnificent
>a view.
>
>Still, it is always good to have close friends. Companionship is a
>pleasure of life.

Can I put that on a tile on our kitchen wall?

--
The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

On 2/27/2021 3:19 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:57:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>> The Ocean City came about when good friends bought a place about 1980 or
>> so. To pay for it, they rented it out most of the summer but eventually
>> invested in a couple of other properties. They did well over the years.
>>
>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
>> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>>
>> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
>
> Although that seems high - it IS high, of course- I've acquaintances
> in Princeton who pay more in taxes but do not enjoy such magnificent
> a view.
>
> Still, it is always good to have close friends. Companionship is a
> pleasure of life.
>

The other day my daughter reminded me of a conversation I had with her
as a teenager about her friends. I told her in your life you will meet
many people and even call them friends, but you will only have a one or
two that will truly be a real friend no matter what the situation. She
sees and appreciates that I have one like that.

I have one in particular, though we are now 1200 miles away we are in
touch every week and do see each other a few times a year. I'd trust
her with my life. Been that way for 45 years.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/27/2021 3:19 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:57:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>
>>> The Ocean City came about when good friends bought a place about
>>> 1980 or
>>> so.* To pay for it, they rented it out most of the summer but
>>> eventually
>>> invested in a couple of other properties.* They did well over
>>> the years.
>>>
>>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the
>>> ocean front
>>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago.* Four bedrooms, for kids and
>>> grandkids.* Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>>> together.* She does not want to live there year round though.
>>>
>>> Taxes alone are $30k a year.* You pay for the view.
>>
>> Although that seems high - it IS high, of course- I've acquaintances
>> in Princeton who pay more* in taxes but do not enjoy such
>> magnificent
>> a view.
>>
>> Still, it is always good to have close friends. Companionship is a
>> pleasure of life.
>>
>
> The other day my daughter reminded me of a conversation I had with
> her as a teenager about her friends.* I told her in your life you
> will meet many people and even call them friends, but you will only
> have a one or two that will truly be a real friend no matter what
> the situation. She sees and appreciates that I have one like that.
>
> I have one in particular, though we are now 1200 miles away we are
> in touch every week and do see each other a few times a year.* I'd
> trust her with my life.** Been that way for 45 years.

Thank god yoose ain't Popeye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you mean Ed.

On 2021-02-27 5:08 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> The other day my daughter reminded me of a conversation I had with her
> as a teenager about her friends.Â* I told her in your life you will meet
> many people and even call them friends, but you will only have a one or
> two that will truly be a real friend no matter what the situation. She
> sees and appreciates that I have one like that.
>
> I have one in particular, though we are now 1200 miles away we are in
> touch every week and do see each other a few times a year.Â* I'd trust
> her with my life.Â*Â* Been that way for 45 years.

I had a good friend like that. We met when we were 9 and I spent more
time at his house than I did at my own. When we were 14 both our
families moved, his family going one way and my family the other, but I
used to hitchhike to visit him and his family at least once a month.
When we finished high school I went to university and he went back to
Germany for a couple years. When he came back he joined a band and was
on the road a lot, so contact was rare. He ended up settling down out in
BC. I made a few trips out to visit him and his family. Telephones
weren't all that frequent, but any time we did talk we just picked up
where were left off the last time.

Sadly, my friend died suddenly about three years ago, However, since he
was almost family, his sister and I have remained close and she has
always been like a sister to me. I guess that makes her my oldest friend.

Just before old friend died I reconnected with a guy I had known since
we were 16. We had lost contact years ago. He had become an airline
pilot and had been stationed in Baie Comeau Quebec for a while, then
Lima, Peru and Vancouver before moving back this way. We ran into each
other at the YMCA and reconnected and have become very close friends. He
is the only friend I have ever had who calls almost daily to see how I
am. He is a guy I could always count on, someone who can always be
counted on to do the right thing.

On 2/27/2021 2:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/27/2021 3:19 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:57:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>> The Ocean City came about when good friends bought a place about 1980 or
>>> so. To pay for it, they rented it out most of the summer but eventually
>>> invested in a couple of other properties. They did well over the years.
>>>
>>> After her husband died, a few years later she demolished the ocean front
>>> property rebuilt about 4 years ago. Four bedrooms, for kids and
>>> grandkids. Now that we are both alone, we spend some time there
>>> together. She does not want to live there year round though.
>>>
>>> Taxes alone are $30k a year. You pay for the view.
>>
>> Although that seems high - it IS high, of course- I've acquaintances
>> in Princeton who pay more in taxes but do not enjoy such magnificent
>> a view.
>>
>> Still, it is always good to have close friends. Companionship is a
>> pleasure of life.
>>
>
> The other day my daughter reminded me of a conversation I had with her
> as a teenager about her friends. I told her in your life you will meet
> many people and even call them friends, but you will only have a one or
> two that will truly be a real friend no matter what the situation. She
> sees and appreciates that I have one like that.

I am that type of friend to a couple of close friends, but it is pretty
mush a one way street. Fortunately my family and I are on a two way street.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-02-27 5:08 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> The other day my daughter reminded me of a conversation I had
>> with her as a teenager about her friends.Â* I told her in your
>> life you will meet many people and even call them friends, but
>> you will only have a one or two that will truly be a real friend
>> no matter what the situation. She sees and appreciates that I
>> have one like that.
>>
>> I have one in particular, though we are now 1200 miles away we
>> are in touch every week and do see each other a few times a
>> year.Â* I'd trust her with my life.Â*Â* Been that way for 45 years.
>
> I had a good friend like that. We met when we were 9 and I spent
> more time at his house than I did at my own. When we were 14 both
> our families moved, his family going one way and my family the
> other, but I used to hitchhike to visit him and his family at least
> once a month. When we finished high school I went to university and
> he went back to Germany for a couple years. When he came back he
> joined a band and was on the road a lot, so contact was rare. He
> ended up settling down out in BC.* I made a few trips out to visit
> him and his family.* Telephones weren't all that frequent, but any
> time we did talk we just picked up where were left off the last time.
>
> Sadly, my friend died suddenly about three years ago, However,
> since he was almost family, his sister and I have remained close
> and she has always been like a sister to me. I guess that makes her
> my oldest friend.
>
> Just before old friend died I reconnected with a guy I had known
> since we were 16. We had lost contact years ago. He had become an
> airline pilot and had been stationed in Baie Comeau Quebec for a
> while, then Lima, Peru and Vancouver before moving back this way.
> We ran into each other at the YMCA and reconnected and have become
> very close friends. He is the only friend I have ever had who calls
> almost daily to see how I am. He is a guy I could always count on,
> someone who can always be counted on to do the right thing.
>

How often do you play pickle balls with him??