Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
.. There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday .
And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
.. As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
(slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:42:38 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
> . There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday .
> And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
> . As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
> (slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .

Ouch. That's a bad one. Rest up and stay safe.

Is there anything you can do to fix the beans and ham?

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/16/2021 3:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:42:38 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
>> Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
>> . There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday .
>> And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
>> . As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
>> (slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .
>
> Ouch. That's a bad one. Rest up and stay safe.
>
> Is there anything you can do to fix the beans and ham?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

They're edible , just not as good as usual . I'll be taking it as
easy as I can for the next few days , but stuff still needs to be done -
like hauling firewood in from the wood piles . I did some snow plowing
yesterday , mainly because we've got more coming and there's already
enough out there that Rusty Tractor was struggling for traction . Even
chained up , had to burn thru the ice more than a couple of times to get
things moving . I might plow some more this afternoon , might not .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 8:31:54 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> On 2/16/2021 3:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:42:38 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> >> Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
> >> . There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday ..
> >> And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
> >> . As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
> >> (slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .
> >
> > Ouch. That's a bad one. Rest up and stay safe.
> >
> > Is there anything you can do to fix the beans and ham?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> They're edible , just not as good as usual . I'll be taking it as
> easy as I can for the next few days , but stuff still needs to be done -
> like hauling firewood in from the wood piles . I did some snow plowing
> yesterday , mainly because we've got more coming and there's already
> enough out there that Rusty Tractor was struggling for traction . Even
> chained up , had to burn thru the ice more than a couple of times to get
> things moving . I might plow some more this afternoon , might not .

We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.

I do like that locking differential when it's snowy out. By the time
we were done at the hospital, all the roads had been plowed at
least once and some were salted. At one point we had to unlock
the differential, the road was so nice.

The sun is out, it's a balmy 15 F and I'm about to suit up and snowblow
the 8" we got last night.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>
> I do like that locking differential when it's snowy out. By the time
> we were done at the hospital, all the roads had been plowed at
> least once and some were salted. At one point we had to unlock
> the differential, the road was so nice.
>
> The sun is out, it's a balmy 15 F and I'm about to suit up and snowblow
> the 8" we got last night.
>


My Honda CRV has automatic four wheel drive and it sure is nice in snow
and icy roads.

We had about a foot of snow last night. I know what you mean about snow
blowing before driving on it. The tires pack it down and then it's hard
to clean down to the surface.

I had planned to get out to my driveway by 10am in case we had to go
somewhere, or in case my neighbour had to get out, since the driveway we
share is an unopened road allowance. While I was in the shed getting the
blower started and warmed up my neighbour was already out plowing it
with his tractor. I thought that meant I only had to do the parking area
and sidewalks. When I went to check for the newspaper I saw that the
plow had left a window about 4 feet out from the mail box so I had to
clean that out so the postie would not have an excuse not to deliver my
mail.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:31:21 -0600, Snag > wrote:

>On 2/16/2021 3:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:42:38 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
>>> Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
>>> . There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday .
>>> And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
>>> . As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
>>> (slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .
>>
>> Ouch. That's a bad one. Rest up and stay safe.
>>
>> Is there anything you can do to fix the beans and ham?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> They're edible , just not as good as usual . I'll be taking it as
>easy as I can for the next few days , but stuff still needs to be done -
>like hauling firewood in from the wood piles . I did some snow plowing
>yesterday , mainly because we've got more coming and there's already
>enough out there that Rusty Tractor was struggling for traction . Even
>chained up , had to burn thru the ice more than a couple of times to get
>things moving . I might plow some more this afternoon , might not .

Make a trip to a local Salvation Army store and check if they have a
pair of olde timey golf shoes to fit you... the old ones have steel
cleats, very good on ice... the new ones have rubber/plastic cleats,
worthless on ice. Sporting goods stores sell strap on steel cleats
for use on ice, but you'll have to leave them on a pair of boots
permanently as they are a pain to put on.

On 2021-02-16 12:04 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:

> Make a trip to a local Salvation Army store and check if they have a
> pair of olde timey golf shoes to fit you... the old ones have steel
> cleats, very good on ice... the new ones have rubber/plastic cleats,
> worthless on ice. Sporting goods stores sell strap on steel cleats
> for use on ice, but you'll have to leave them on a pair of boots
> permanently as they are a pain to put on.
>

My son bought some Yaktrax and liked them so much he bought some for me
and my wife. They are great. They really grip the ice and they are very
comfortable to walk on. You are hardly aware that they are there.

They aren't that hard to put on and off. My wife leaves hers on because
she has trouble putting them on, but I take mine off all the time and
just slip then back on only when I need then,

Be careful with the sizing. There is a chart on the side of the box. I
think there are only three sizes, small, medium and large. I was
surprised that my wife, who wears Womens size 10 uses small Yaktrax. I
don't know what would fit for women with smaller feet than that.


I highly recommnend these things.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:42:35 -0600, Snag > wrote:

> Right now (10:40 PM 2/15/2020won) it's 3°F and headed for below zero
>. There's over 10" of snow on the ground and more coming on Wednesday .
>And we had the lousiest beans and ham I've ever made for dinner tonight
>. As soon as the pain meds I just took kick in , I'm going to bed
>(slipped on ice yesterday and landed on my back on the steps) .

I hope that taught you to install a hand rail... easy to do with 3/4"
galvanized plumbing pipe and the fittings to lag bolt it to a wall.
When we moved here there was no handrail for the basement stairs. I
told my wife we should install one but she said she has no problem
without a handrail. A few days later she was carrying some things and
slippped, cracked her head on the steel post at the bottom of the
stairs. She was lying in a pool of blood and was knocked out cold,
when she didn't answer me I thought she was dead... took her a full
ten minutes to come to. I told her we need to get you to the ER but
she didn't want to go. Finally I drove her and they said she had a
concussion and was very lucky... she had to lie in bed for a week and
go to her doctor to be checked. The next day I went to Lowes and
got the pipe and hardware for a railing and installed it in about two
hours. She agreed it was a good idea. The plumbing pipe handrail is
a whole lot stronger than any wooden rail I looked at... we have it
about 15 years now and no more falls. Not fancy but functional and
very strong, especially when attached with those flanges and heavy Lag
Bolts:
https://i.postimg.cc/MpMGcXwY/036.jpg

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:46:47 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-02-16 12:04 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> Make a trip to a local Salvation Army store and check if they have a
>> pair of olde timey golf shoes to fit you... the old ones have steel
>> cleats, very good on ice... the new ones have rubber/plastic cleats,
>> worthless on ice. Sporting goods stores sell strap on steel cleats
>> for use on ice, but you'll have to leave them on a pair of boots
>> permanently as they are a pain to put on.
>>
>
>My son bought some Yaktrax and liked them so much he bought some for me
>and my wife. They are great. They really grip the ice and they are very
>comfortable to walk on. You are hardly aware that they are there.
>
>They aren't that hard to put on and off. My wife leaves hers on because
>she has trouble putting them on, but I take mine off all the time and
>just slip then back on only when I need then,
>
> Be careful with the sizing. There is a chart on the side of the box. I
>think there are only three sizes, small, medium and large. I was
>surprised that my wife, who wears Womens size 10 uses small Yaktrax. I
>don't know what would fit for women with smaller feet than that.
>
>I highly recommnend these things.

Yaktrax work well and are made well.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.


My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>> I do like that locking differential when it's snowy out. By the time
>> we were done at the hospital, all the roads had been plowed at
>> least once and some were salted. At one point we had to unlock
>> the differential, the road was so nice.
>>
>> The sun is out, it's a balmy 15 F and I'm about to suit up and snowblow
>> the 8" we got last night.
>>
>
>
>My Honda CRV has automatic four wheel drive and it sure is nice in snow
>and icy roads.
>
>We had about a foot of snow last night. I know what you mean about snow
>blowing before driving on it. The tires pack it down and then it's hard
>to clean down to the surface.
>
>I had planned to get out to my driveway by 10am in case we had to go
>somewhere, or in case my neighbour had to get out, since the driveway we
>share is an unopened road allowance. While I was in the shed getting the
>blower started and warmed up my neighbour was already out plowing it
>with his tractor. I thought that meant I only had to do the parking area
>and sidewalks. When I went to check for the newspaper I saw that the
>plow had left a window about 4 feet out from the mail box so I had to
>clean that out so the postie would not have an excuse not to deliver my
>mail.

Dave Smith wrote:
....
> We had about a foot of snow last night. I know what you mean about snow
> blowing before driving on it. The tires pack it down and then it's hard
> to clean down to the surface.

i always have a flat bladed metal shovel for scraping compacted
snow before it turns to ice. even after it turns to ice sometimes
the flat bladed shovel can lift it up and remove it. since we don't
use any salt or sand here on the driveway i like to keep it shovelled
so that the sun can get to it and melt any remaining bits off before
it gets shaded again.

this morning i had to get out early to shovel since we had to run
some errands. roads weren't too bad, sun was out later. beautiful
white snow and plenty of sparkles.


> I had planned to get out to my driveway by 10am in case we had to go
> somewhere, or in case my neighbour had to get out, since the driveway we
> share is an unopened road allowance. While I was in the shed getting the
> blower started and warmed up my neighbour was already out plowing it
> with his tractor. I thought that meant I only had to do the parking area
> and sidewalks. When I went to check for the newspaper I saw that the
> plow had left a window about 4 feet out from the mail box so I had to
> clean that out so the postie would not have an excuse not to deliver my
> mail.

we were expecting a propane delivery so i always keep the
path cleared for them to walk on. they did actually deliver
today, i passed them as they were coming down our road. they
said they were happy that we'd shovelled the path for them.


songbird

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> has no visibility problem and neither do I.

Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.

Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
windshield is so short has serious issues.

<https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>
>Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
>little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
>
>Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
>windshield is so short has serious issues.
>
><https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> >> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> >> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> >> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> >> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> >> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
> >
> >Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
> >little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
> >
> >Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
> >windshield is so short has serious issues.
> >
> ><https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.

Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
with snow kicked up from the road.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/17/2021 10:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>>>>>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>>>>>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>>>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
>>>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
>>>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>>>
>>> Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
>>> little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
>>>
>>> Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
>>> windshield is so short has serious issues.
>>>
>>> <https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
>
> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
> with snow kicked up from the road.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
came out to drive?

On 2/17/2021 8:41 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 2/17/2021 10:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>>>>>>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>>>>>>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>>>>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
>>>>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
>>>>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>>>>
>>>> Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
>>>> little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
>>>>
>>>> Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
>>>> windshield is so short has serious issues.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
>>
>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
> came out to drive?
>
>
>
>
>


We survived better than we do now. Which has led directly to the Cancel
Culture.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>> >> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>> >> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>> >> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
>> >> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
>> >> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>> >
>> >Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
>> >little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
>> >
>> >Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
>> >windshield is so short has serious issues.
>> >
>> ><https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
>
>Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>with snow kicked up from the road.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.

On 2021-02-17 11:41 a.m., Gary wrote:

> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
> came out to drive?


LOL Kids these days don't know how easy they have it ;-)

Due to incidents when I was 14-15 I was not allowed to get my driver
license as soon as I turned 16. However, I joined the militia and, since
we were a technical unit, we were all taught to drive and I had a DND
license months before I got my regular license.

All of the military vehicles we drove had manual transmissions.They did
not have power brakes or power steering. There was no electronic
ignition. They all had a choke, so you had to learn how to use that,
know when to use it, how much choke to use, when to shut it off. If you
wanted fresh air you had to crank the window down, or use the no-draft
window.

I don't know when VWs started putting in heaters and fans. We had a
Karmin Ghia for a while and you didn't have any air flowing on the
windshield until you were moving.


And radios and TVs... they had tubes so they had to warm up for as much
as a minute. If you wanted to turn it on or off or to change the station
who had to walk over to it and turn a dial.... by hand.
I don't know how we survived.

On 2021-02-17 11:45 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 2/17/2021 8:41 AM, Gary wrote:

>> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
>> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
>> came out to drive?

>
> We survived better than we do now.Â* Which has led directly to the Cancel
> Culture.

I don't know how much of the cancer is caused by stuff like that. I
think we see more cancer now because more people live long enough to get
it. The next time you watch a something on the classic movies channel go
online and Google the cast. It is amazing to see how many died of heart
attacks in their 40s and 50s. A lot of them also died in their 40s to
60s of lung cancer because they were all heavy smokers.

On 2021-02-17 11:57 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>

Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
get out.

On 2/17/2021 9:56 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-02-17 11:45 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 2/17/2021 8:41 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
>>> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
>>> came out to drive?
>
>>
>> We survived better than we do now.Â* Which has led directly to the Cancel
>> Culture.
>
> I don't know how much of the cancer is caused by stuff like that. I
> think we see more cancer now because more people live long enough to get
> it. The next time you watch a something on the classic movies channel go
> online and Google the cast. It is amazing to see how many died of heart
> attacks in their 40s and 50s. A lot of them also died in their 40s to
> 60s of lung cancer because they were all heavy smokers.
>


CANCEL culture. That the heck is cancer culture?

On 2/17/2021 8:57 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
>>>>>>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
>>>>>>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
>>>>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
>>>>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
>>>>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
>>>>
>>>> Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
>>>> little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
>>>>
>>>> Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
>>>> windshield is so short has serious issues.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
>>
>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>


I like to watch in the back up camera and see all the people yelling and
waving their fists at me.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:41:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> On 2/17/2021 10:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> >>>>>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> >>>>>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> >>>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> >>>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> >>>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
> >>>
> >>> Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
> >>> little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
> >>>
> >>> Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
> >>> windshield is so short has serious issues.
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
> >
> > Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
> > with snow kicked up from the road.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
> came out to drive?

The same way I survive right now. My car doesn't have a backup camera,
heated seats, heated steering wheel, or remote start. This morning I went
out in -4 F weather, started it up and drove to work.

The FJ Cruiser with backup camera and remote start is my husband's ride.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:57:38 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> >> >> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> >> >> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> >> >> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> >> >> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> >> >> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
> >> >
> >> >Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
> >> >little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
> >> >
> >> >Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
> >> >windshield is so short has serious issues.
> >> >
> >> ><https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
> >
> >Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
> >with snow kicked up from the road.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.

Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 6:41:37 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 2/17/2021 10:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> >>>>>> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> >>>>>> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> >>>> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> >>>> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> >>>> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
> >>>
> >>> Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
> >>> little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
> >>>
> >>> Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
> >>> windshield is so short has serious issues.
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
> >
> > Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
> > with snow kicked up from the road.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> How did we all ever survive before backup cameras, heated seats, heated
> steering wheels and remote turning on to get the interior warm before we
> came out to drive?

Back in the 80's a DOHC, all alloy, multi-valve, variable valve timing, direct injection, computer controlled, engine with an inter-cooled turbo, would seem to be exotic beyond belief. These days, that stuff is commonplace. From one point of view they are modern miracles, from another, they are a throwback to the days of steam engines. In the future, the kids are going to avoid gas engine cars like the plague. It will be seen as primitive, old-fashioned technology.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 8:16:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:57:38 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:39:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > >> >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:16:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >On 2021-02-16 10:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We took our Urban Assault Vehicle (Toyota FJ Cruiser) out this morning
> > >> >> >> because my husband was scheduled for some tests at the hospital.
> > >> >> >> I hate driving on it before I snowblow. Couldn't be helped.
> > >> >> My wife drives an FJ Cruiser, she loves it. They no longer sell them
> > >> >> in the US because people say they have very poor visibility, my wife
> > >> >> has no visibility problem and neither do I.
> > >> >
> > >> >Compared to my Highlander, I can't see jack shit out of those short
> > >> >little windows in the FJ. I've always hated driving it.
> > >> >
> > >> >Any vehicle that needs three windshield wipers in front because the
> > >> >windshield is so short has serious issues.
> > >> >
> > >> ><https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/fj-cruiser/2008/review/>
> > >> >
> > >> >Cindy Hamilton
> > >> Only rear visibility was poor so we installed a camera, problem over.
> > >
> > >Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
> > >with snow kicked up from the road.
> > >
> > >Cindy Hamilton
> > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> > straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
That was the great thing about the Dodge Dakota I use to drive - visibility while backing up was awesome. The AC was also awesome. The doors were not so great and in the end, it torpedoed the truck.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:00:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-02-17 11:57 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>
>>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>
>
>Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
>see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
>really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
>back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
>get out.

My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
them now.

On 2021-02-17 11:30 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:00:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2021-02-17 11:57 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>>>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>>
>>
>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
>> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
>> get out.
>
> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> them now.
>
With age, I don't have the flexibility that I once had to twist around
to look through the rear window when reversing. The camera overcomes that.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:42:30 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-02-17 11:30 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:00:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-02-17 11:57 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>>> Ours came with a back-up camera. It spent all of yesterday covered
>>>>> with snow kicked up from the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
>>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
>>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
>>> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
>>> get out.
>>
>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>> them now.
>>
>With age, I don't have the flexibility that I once had to twist around
>to look through the rear window when reversing. The camera overcomes that.

Another advantage.

On 2/17/2021 1:30 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:

>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
>> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
>> get out.
>
> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> them now.
>
The overhead view is very handy, as is the cross traffic alert backing
out of a spot next to a big pickup and you have no view.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 10:44:55 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/17/2021 1:30 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> >> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
> >> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
> >> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
> >> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
> >> get out.
> >
> > My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> > overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> > them now.
> >
> The overhead view is very handy, as is the cross traffic alert backing
> out of a spot next to a big pickup and you have no view.
In the future, all cars will have cameras and will be Youtube ready. It's gonna be the biggest thing in automobiles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsI2hzW_9to

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:44:48 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/17/2021 1:30 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
>>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
>>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
>>> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
>>> get out.
>>
>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>> them now.
>>
>The overhead view is very handy, as is the cross traffic alert backing
>out of a spot next to a big pickup and you have no view.


Indeed.

These are not benefits I thought I needed ingoing, but they have been
delightful, as have the winter treats of heated seats and steering
wheel.These will now be requirements.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:44:48 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 2/17/2021 1:30 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >
> >>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space and you can
> >>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone behind has parked
> >>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more into your space. You can get
> >>> back to within in an inch or two and ensure that you have room ahead to
> >>> get out.
> >>
> >> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> >> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> >> them now.
> >>
> >The overhead view is very handy, as is the cross traffic alert backing
> >out of a spot next to a big pickup and you have no view.
> Indeed.
>
> These are not benefits I thought I needed ingoing, but they have been
> delightful, as have the winter treats of heated seats and steering
> wheel.These will now be requirements.

In Hawaii, I used the feature to give other people the "hot seat." Heck, I even did that to my dad. I did use it once when things got a little cold but you'll never hear me admit that I'm a big pussy. OTOH, yoose guys certainly need it.

On 2021-02-17 2:42 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-17 11:30 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:00:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-02-17 11:57 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:15:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas,Â* and
>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>> them now.
>>
> With age, I don't have the flexibility that I once had to twist around
> to look through the rear window when reversing. The camera overcomes that.



Perhaps it is something older drivers need to work out. Drivers' crash
rates increase as they age, and one of the most prevalent crash
locations is intersections because they don't look. A lot of that is
because of loss of flexibility. I noticed myself turning my head less
and made a point of exercising my neck, turning to the left and to the
right.

My CRV (2013)has a back up camera and I was never terribly impressed
with it. It is not all that clear. Having been in some newer and higher
end cars with I can see them being a lot more useful. People should
still be capable of backing up with out one. One of my concerns is that
if people become too reliant on backup cameras they will stop looking
around and using their eyes.

dsi1 wrote:
> In the future, the kids are going to avoid gas engine cars like the
plague.

Why wait until the future? Amish kids have been doing that for over a
hundred years now.

Boron Elgar wrote:
> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> them now.

I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Graham wrote:
>> With age, I don't have the flexibility that I once had to twist around
>> to look through the rear window when reversing. The camera overcomes
>> that.

> Perhaps it is something older drivers need to work out.

IMO, that's the time for older drivers to quit driving.

Taxed and Spent wrote:
> I like to watch in the back up camera and see all the people yelling and
> waving their fists at me.

heh heh Good one.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.

I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
> > to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.

A little oversnipping there, Gary.

Sheldon:

> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> > > straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.

I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
behind him.

Cindy Hamilton