On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>
> A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>
> Sheldon:
>
>> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>
> I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
> behind him.

Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
or whatever. Mirrors work better.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
> >>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
> >> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
> >
> > A little oversnipping there, Gary.
> >
> > Sheldon:
> >
> >> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> >>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
> >
> > I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
> > behind him.
> Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
> or whatever. Mirrors work better.

Mirrors work better for the field of view that they show. Sometimes you have
to turn your head to get a clear picture of what's going on back there. If you
can't turn your head that far (even due to temporary injury), a clean backup
camera is helpful. If I relied on the backup camera, I would have gotten out
and cleaned it.

Don't suggest that people without a full range of motion stop driving. I'm
sure you'll be in that position someday.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-02-18 8:56 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Â*Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Graham wrote:
>>> With age, I don't have the flexibility that I once had to twist around
>>> to look through the rear window when reversing. The camera overcomes
>>> that.
>
>> Perhaps it is something older drivers need to work out.
>
> IMO, that's the time for older drivers to quit driving.
>
>

I did a short stint as a driver examiner back when drivers over 80 and
those over 70 who had had an accident had to do a road test every year.
We left Wednesday mornings for seniors road tests. I very quickly
learned to hate Wednesdays. You would hope that 65 years of driving
would mean they knew how to drive. In reality, it was the result of 65
years of learning bad driving habits.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 07:14:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>> >>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>> >> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>> >
>> > A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>> >
>> > Sheldon:
>> >
>> >> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>> >>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>> >
>> > I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
>> > behind him.
>> Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
>> or whatever. Mirrors work better.
>
>Mirrors work better for the field of view that they show. Sometimes you have
>to turn your head to get a clear picture of what's going on back there. If you
>can't turn your head that far (even due to temporary injury), a clean backup
>camera is helpful. If I relied on the backup camera, I would have gotten out
>and cleaned it.
>
>Don't suggest that people without a full range of motion stop driving. I'm
>sure you'll be in that position someday.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
Janet US

In article >, says...
>
> Boron Elgar wrote:
> > My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> > overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
> > them now.
>
> I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.

. Who needs windows or cameras?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942

"A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped in
Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear windscreens."

Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.

Janet UK

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 18:52:37 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>> > My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>> > overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>> > them now.
>>
>> I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.
>
> . Who needs windows or cameras?
>
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942
>
>"A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped in
>Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear windscreens."
>
>Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.

Lol, looks like a Muslim woman in a burqa.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:19:23 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>>>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>>> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>>
>> A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>>
>> Sheldon:
>>
>>> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>
>> I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
>> behind him.
>
>Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
>or whatever. Mirrors work better.

I use my rear view mirrors all the time, I don't bother much with the
rear camera, it's always so filthy that it doesn't tell me much. I
much rather the rear view mirror and the side view mirrors.

On 2021-02-18 11:52 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>>> them now.
>>
>> I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.
>
> . Who needs windows or cameras?
>
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942
>
> "A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped in
> Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear windscreens."
>
> Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.
>
> Janet UK
>
It's an offence here if you don't clear the snow off the roof of your
car - as it should be!!! One often sees a car, after a heavy overnight
fall, driving along the highway with snow streaming off the roof
obscuring the vision of following drivers.

On 2021-02-18 10:26 a.m., US Janet wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 07:14:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>>>>>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>>>>> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>>>>
>>>> A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>>>>
>>>> Sheldon:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>>>>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>>>
>>>> I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
>>>> behind him.
>>> Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
>>> or whatever. Mirrors work better.
>>
>> Mirrors work better for the field of view that they show. Sometimes you have
>> to turn your head to get a clear picture of what's going on back there. If you
>> can't turn your head that far (even due to temporary injury), a clean backup
>> camera is helpful. If I relied on the backup camera, I would have gotten out
>> and cleaned it.
>>
>> Don't suggest that people without a full range of motion stop driving. I'm
>> sure you'll be in that position someday.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
> Janet US
>
It does wonders for your hair:-)

On 2021-02-18 1:52 p.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>>> them now.
>>
>> I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.
>
> . Who needs windows or cameras?
>
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942
>
> "A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped in
> Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear windscreens."
>
> Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.
>

It is hard to believe anyone would be that stupid. I don't know about
the UK, but here in Canada it is a criminal code offense. The more
likely charge here would be for operating an unsafe vehicle, and the
fine ranges from $400 to $20,000.

I once had to assist in an accident. A witness said the guys' windshield
was covered in snow and ice, the driver side window was open and the guy
was trying to scrape it off as he was driving down the road. I guess he
figured it was safe because he was not going very fast, but he drifted
across the road and hit a dump truck head on.

It was one of the more interesting corpses I saw on the job. The guy had
been thrown into the steering wheel so hard that his chest cracked open.
It reminded me of one of those human body models from science class in
high school. The ribs were spread and you could see the organs inside.
He must had died instantly because there was no blood.

On 2021-02-18 2:19 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-18 11:52 a.m., Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>screens."
>>
>> Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> It's an offence here if you don't clear the snow off the roof of your
> car - as it should be!!! One often sees a car, after a heavy overnight
> fall, driving along the highway with snow streaming off the roof
> obscuring the vision of following drivers.

In Ontario it is an offense snow and ice has accumulated in a manner
that would pose a danger to other motor vehicles on the highway if the
snow or ice were to fall or slide off. I am not sure a layer of powdery
snow blowing off the back would warrant a charge. A bigger problem is
snow and ice on big semi trailers. When those things are cruising along
at highway speed there can be huge slabs of ice that shake loose, get
picked up by the wind, hover in the air for a moment and then fall on
vehicles behind.

It is hard for drivers to get up on top of trailers to do that. The
roofs are no made to support people walking on them and a lot of
companies forbid their drivers walking on top of the trailers. There
have been some things built to scrape the snow and ice but they are
pricey and need someone to operate them and to dispose of the snow and
ice that is removed. It would be a costly venture for someone to offer
for free for customers, and something most would not be willing to pay for.

Personally, I keep a long way for tractor trailers in highways in the
winter.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 06:13:02 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>> > to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>
>A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>
>Sheldon:
>
>> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>> > > straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>
>I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
>behind him.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Most drivers don't get regular eye exams, they only think they can
see. Repeating the letters on an eye chart is a waste of time, that's
not an eye exam.
Cameras really don't give an accurate image for driving, they are only
good for very low speed driving, like backing out of your driveway...
they tell you nothing for posted speed highway driving. Newer
vehicles have audible warnings for when someone is alongside or
approaching on your rear. Best thing I did recently was to have
Catataract surgery, I have brand new eyes and no longer need glasses
to drive... should have done it years ago... I now have Superman
vision.
More than half the drivers over 50 need cataract surgery... reading a
chart at the DMV is not an eye exam... those are not administered by
optomitrists let alone Opthalologists, those are know nothing clerks.
Most people have never had their eyes examined by an eye doctor....
your family doctor is not qualified to eamine your eyes. Vision
centers that sell eye glasses are not qualified to examine your eyes.
At best they can fill an Opthamogists/optomotrists prescription,
maybe... optomotrists are not doctors. Optomotrists can only
determine what power lenses you need but mostly they order the lenses
and fit you with frames. Only an Opthamologist is an eye doctor.

On 2/18/2021 1:52 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
>>> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I adore
>>> them now.
>>
>> I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.
>
> . Who needs windows or cameras?
>
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942
>
> "A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped in
> Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear windscreens."
>
> Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.
>
> Janet UK
>
OMG! That is unbelievable! How on earth did he think he'd be able to
drive? Why not get a big brush and ... brush off the snow? Wow.

Jill

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 12:20:39 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-02-18 10:26 a.m., US Janet wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 07:14:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
>>>>>>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
>>>>>> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> A little oversnipping there, Gary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
>>>>>>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
>>>>> behind him.
>>>> Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
>>>> or whatever. Mirrors work better.
>>>
>>> Mirrors work better for the field of view that they show. Sometimes you have
>>> to turn your head to get a clear picture of what's going on back there. If you
>>> can't turn your head that far (even due to temporary injury), a clean backup
>>> camera is helpful. If I relied on the backup camera, I would have gotten out
>>> and cleaned it.
>>>
>>> Don't suggest that people without a full range of motion stop driving. I'm
>>> sure you'll be in that position someday.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
>> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
>> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
>> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
>> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
>> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
>> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
>> Janet US
>>
>It does wonders for your hair:-)

I thought of adding that comment just after I hit Send. )
Janet US

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:44:48 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/17/2021 1:30 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Back up cameras are handy when you back into a parking space
> > and you can >>> see how much room you have. It's handy when someone
> > behind has parked >>> really badly and is sticking a foot or more
> > into your space. You can get >>> back to within in an inch or two
> > and ensure that you have room ahead to >>> get out.
> > >>
> > >> My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas, and
> > >> overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras, but I
> > adore >> them now.
> > >>
> > > The overhead view is very handy, as is the cross traffic alert
> > > backing out of a spot next to a big pickup and you have no view.
> > Indeed.
> >
> > These are not benefits I thought I needed ingoing, but they have
> > been delightful, as have the winter treats of heated seats and
> > steering wheel.These will now be requirements.
>
> In Hawaii, I used the feature to give other people the "hot seat."
> Heck, I even did that to my dad. I did use it once when things got a
> little cold but you'll never hear me admit that I'm a big pussy.
> OTOH, yoose guys certainly need it.

I'd like to have the side mirror defrosters. I don't have that.

BTW, almost took a guy's door off yeasterday.

He didn't look, was street parked across from anothe street parked car.
It still left room for 2 cars to pass. He had those super dark windows
so it was not obvious any one was in it.

I was 10 feet from his bummper with a car passing the other way headed
in, going 25mph (speed limit). He flipped the door open and I slammed
the breaks honking, he managed to shut the door just as I stopped,
mid-way even to his back passenger door.

Fact is, most people on that road are going 35 and his door would have
been history. Hopefully he learned to look first before opening a door
ino traffic.

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-02-18 11:52 a.m., Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> > >
> >> Boron Elgar wrote:
> > > > My cars have front, back, a bit of the sides in those areas,
> > > > and overhead views. Took me a few months to trust the cameras,
> > > > but I adore them now.
> > >
> > > I've always trusted and adored my windows and mirrors.
> >
> > . Who needs windows or cameras?
> >
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-55950942
> >
> > "A man has been charged with dangerous driving after being stopped
> > in Dundee with snow covering almost his entire front and rear
> > windscreens."
> >
> > Hope you can see the pictures; unbelievable.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> It's an offence here if you don't clear the snow off the roof of your
> car - as it should be!!! One often sees a car, after a heavy
> overnight fall, driving along the highway with snow streaming off the
> roof obscuring the vision of following drivers.

Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
have lawa about that.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>
> I'd like to have the side mirror defrosters. I don't have that.
>
I have them and they are a nice feature. But here's a low-tech solution for
you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, etc.)
on each mirror to keep the frost and ice off them. Remove, throw in the
back of your vehicle for use again each night.

On 2/18/2021 12:26 PM, US Janet wrote:
> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.

A 2-part epoxy might be a better choice. Usually works better than an
all-in-one glue.

On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
> have lawa about that.

Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 11:54:58 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to have the side mirror defrosters. I don't have that.
> >
> I have them and they are a nice feature. But here's a low-tech solution for
> you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, etc.)
> on each mirror to keep the frost and ice off them. Remove, throw in the
> back of your vehicle for use again each night.


Here's a post about "cars with snow", check out the second pic, that '58 Olds is ENCRUSTED with snow, as are the others, very few cars had rear defrosters:

https://theoldmotor.com/?p=183644

'Four Interesting Snow Shots From Days Gone By
February 18, 2021

Todays lead image and the picture below are press photos that originate from an unknown Syracuse, NY, area newspaper. The shot above of a mystery car includes an €œOswego man in December of 1958€� taking a photograph of the vehicle buried under a mushroom cloud of snow. Apparently, everything from the roof on down was cleared of snow, and the car was driven afterward and parked.

The lead image and first photo below are courtesy of syracuse.com . All images were found via Cars in snow or freezing conditions...'

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:39:26 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/18/2021 12:26 PM, US Janet wrote:
>> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
>> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
>> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
>> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
>> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
>> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
>> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
>
>A 2-part epoxy might be a better choice. Usually works better than an
>all-in-one glue.

Double sided tape... in case you want to remove it... epoxies are too
permanent and end up damaging your windshield. Double sided tape also
does a much neater job than epoxy... simply apply small pieces of the
tape to the mirror, peel off the backing and apply the mirror exactly
where you want it and will be good for many years... not necessesary
to cover the entire surface. Epoxies are liquid and tend to run, tend
to make a mess. And once they cure the only way to remove that mirror
is to install a new windshield. Double sided tape scrapes off easily
with a safety razor, like a decal.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
>> have lawa about that.
>
>Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.

Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 11:26:45 AM UTC-6, US Janet wrote:
>
> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
> Janet US
>
Janet, there are several convex mirrors for sale on Amazon that simply
clip onto your existing rearview mirror without the need for glue. They
also come anti-glare models. The ones I looked at were all below $20.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 7:26:45 AM UTC-10, US Janet wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 07:14:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> On 2/18/2021 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >>> Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if I'm going
> >> >>> to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle coming up behind me.
> >> >> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well for that.
> >> >
> >> > A little oversnipping there, Gary.
> >> >
> >> > Sheldon:
> >> >
> >> >> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For driving
> >> >>>> straight ahead there's no need to see where you've been.
> >> >
> >> > I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of what's
> >> > behind him.
> >> Yeah but you said that your rearview camera was all gunked up from snow
> >> or whatever. Mirrors work better.
> >
> >Mirrors work better for the field of view that they show. Sometimes you have
> >to turn your head to get a clear picture of what's going on back there. If you
> >can't turn your head that far (even due to temporary injury), a clean backup
> >camera is helpful. If I relied on the backup camera, I would have gotten out
> >and cleaned it.
> >
> >Don't suggest that people without a full range of motion stop driving. I'm
> >sure you'll be in that position someday.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> There are interior windshield mirros that give full coverage - left to
> right. I've purchased them. The field of view is wonderful. Problem
> is that the adhesive that is available for attaching the mirror can't
> withstand summer heat and the mirror falls. I wish car manufacturers
> would install these mirrors when producing the vehicle. They aren't
> that much bigger that the mirror that is placed in a vehicle now.
> Maybe I will try Gorilla Glue.
> Janet US

I've always used rearview mirror glue. The stuff works pretty good although it's tricky to apply and you need to read the instructions and make sure you understand the procedure before you try it. If you make a mistake, you're kind of screwed. Gorilla Glue sounds interesting though. I'll need you to try it first before I do.
https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-8184...dp/B000HBM4TC/

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 06:13:02 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > Every once in a while I like to look behind me. For example, if
> I'm going >> > to stop or to see if there's an emergency vehicle
> coming up behind me. >> I like to do that too. My mirrors work well
> for that.
> >
> > A little oversnipping there, Gary.
> >
> > Sheldon:
> >
> >> > > Really don't need a rear camera unless you're backing up. For
> driving >> > > straight ahead there's no need to see where you've
> been.
> >
> > I have this picture of Sheldon driving down the road, heedless of
> > what's behind him.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Most drivers don't get regular eye exams, they only think they can
> see. Repeating the letters on an eye chart is a waste of time, that's
> not an eye exam.
> Cameras really don't give an accurate image for driving, they are only
> good for very low speed driving, like backing out of your driveway...
> they tell you nothing for posted speed highway driving. Newer
> vehicles have audible warnings for when someone is alongside or
> approaching on your rear. Best thing I did recently was to have
> Catataract surgery, I have brand new eyes and no longer need glasses
> to drive... should have done it years ago... I now have Superman
> vision.
> More than half the drivers over 50 need cataract surgery... reading a
> chart at the DMV is not an eye exam... those are not administered by
> optomitrists let alone Opthalologists, those are know nothing clerks.
> Most people have never had their eyes examined by an eye doctor....
> your family doctor is not qualified to eamine your eyes. Vision
> centers that sell eye glasses are not qualified to examine your eyes.
> At best they can fill an Opthamogists/optomotrists prescription,
> maybe... optomotrists are not doctors. Optomotrists can only
> determine what power lenses you need but mostly they order the lenses
> and fit you with frames. Only an Opthamologist is an eye doctor.

https://www.degreequery.com/degree-need-optometrist/

They are both 'Doctors' but the Optometrist is a Doctor of Optometry.

Opthomologists are MD Doctors and can do surgery.

On 2021-02-18 3:29 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 06:13:02 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:

> More than half the drivers over 50 need cataract surgery... reading a
> chart at the DMV is not an eye exam... those are not administered by
> optomitrists let alone Opthalologists, those are know nothing clerks.

The people who administer those tests at the DMV are well aware that it
is just a screening tool. I did that job for a short time. If you fail
that you are required to see an optometrist to get corrective lenses.


I have a cataract starting in my left eye. When it gets bad enough I
will have to get the surgery.

wrote:

> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to have the side mirror defrosters. I don't have that.
> >
> I have them and they are a nice feature. But here's a low-tech
> solution for you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar
> Tree, Dollar General, etc.) on each mirror to keep the frost and ice
> off them. Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use again
> each night.

Doesn't work here.

On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:27:56 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> > here's a low-tech
> > solution for you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar
> > Tree, Dollar General, etc.) on each mirror to keep the frost and ice
> > off them. Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use again
> > each night.
> >
> Doesn't work here.
>
Why? Why won't it work? Can you not tie a loose knot in a plastic
grocery bag and remove it the next day? The knotted portion of
the bag should be hanging down, facing the pavement.

https://i.postimg.cc/MHW77wVq/Plastic-Bag-Tip-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwwPCcd/Plastic-Bag-Tip-2.jpg

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:27:56 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > here's a low-tech
>> > solution for you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar
>> > Tree, Dollar General, etc.) on each mirror to keep the frost and ice
>> > off them. Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use again
>> > each night.
>> >
>> Doesn't work here.
>>
>Why? Why won't it work? Can you not tie a loose knot in a plastic
>grocery bag and remove it the next day? The knotted portion of
>the bag should be hanging down, facing the pavement.
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/MHW77wVq/Plastic-Bag-Tip-1.jpg
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/cJwwPCcd/Plastic-Bag-Tip-2.jpg

But then you can't use your mirror anymore.

On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 7:31:44 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
†’ †’ †’ Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use again
each night. †� †� †�
> >
> But then you can't use your mirror anymore.
>
I guess you skimmed right over this sentence in my post. Maybe Carol
did, too.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:03:58 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 7:31:44 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:30:05 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>? ? ? Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use again
>each night. ? ? ?
>> >
>> But then you can't use your mirror anymore.
>>
>I guess you skimmed right over this sentence in my post. Maybe Carol
>did, too.

wrote:

> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:27:56 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > here's a low-tech
> > > solution for you. Just loosely tie a plastic bag (Walmart, Dollar
> > > Tree, Dollar General, etc.) on each mirror to keep the frost and
> > > ice off them. Remove, throw in the back of your vehicle for use
> > > again each night.
> > >
> > Doesn't work here.
> >
> Why? Why won't it work? Can you not tie a loose knot in a plastic
> grocery bag and remove it the next day? The knotted portion of
> the bag should be hanging down, facing the pavement.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/MHW77wVq/Plastic-Bag-Tip-1.jpg
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/cJwwPCcd/Plastic-Bag-Tip-2.jpg

It's a lot colder here and wetter. You get plastic frozen bag sealed
to the side mirrors

On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 6:17:11 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> > https://i.postimg.cc/MHW77wVq/Plastic-Bag-Tip-1.jpg
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/cJwwPCcd/Plastic-Bag-Tip-2.jpg
>
> It's a lot colder here and wetter. You get plastic frozen bag sealed
> to the side mirrors
>
That is pure baloney and you know it. The mirror would be dry when you place
the bag over it. How in sam hill is the bag going to be frozen to a dry mirror?
I find it's amazing that it works in much colder and wetter climes than Virginia.
But of course, you are speaking from experience that it doesn't work there.

Good grief.

On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 8:26:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 6:17:11 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > https://i.postimg.cc/MHW77wVq/Plastic-Bag-Tip-1.jpg
> > >
> > > https://i.postimg.cc/cJwwPCcd/Plastic-Bag-Tip-2.jpg
> >
> > It's a lot colder here and wetter. You get plastic frozen bag sealed
> > to the side mirrors
> >
> That is pure baloney and you know it. The mirror would be dry when you place
> the bag over it.

Not necessarily. My car is often covered in a light layer of snow or slush
when I'm done driving someplace in the winter.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/19/2021 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
>>> have lawa about that.
>>
>> Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.
>
> Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
> around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?

I don't drive in snow.

Down at the Oceanfront, along the boardwalk, are signs with about a
dozen red circles with slashes and pics on them. Showing what you are
not allowed to do. Too funny.

Would have been easier to have signs telling you what you are allowed to do.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> On 2/19/2021 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
> >>> have lawa about that.
> >>
> >> Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.
> >
> > Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
> > around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?
> I don't drive in snow.

Nice luxury to have. If I come out of work at 5:00 and there's six inches
of snow on my car, I still have to drive home.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-02-21 10:55 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:

>>> Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
>>> around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?
>> I don't drive in snow.
>
> Nice luxury to have. If I come out of work at 5:00 and there's six inches
> of snow on my car, I still have to drive home.
>

I worked for the highways for a while, two winters on a plow crew and
then 11 years in the equipment section where we repaired and delivered
the equipment. Snow days were our busiest days. I had to make it to
work. The good thing was that by the time mu day was done the roads were
usually cleaned up.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:23:54 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/19/2021 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
>>>> have lawa about that.
>>>
>>> Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.
>>
>> Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
>> around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?
>
>I don't drive in snow.
>
>Down at the Oceanfront, along the boardwalk, are signs with about a
>dozen red circles with slashes and pics on them. Showing what you are
>not allowed to do. Too funny.
>
>Would have been easier to have signs telling you what you are allowed to do.

Are you in a red or a blue state? It could be Marxist oppression
that's causing all these bans on innocent activities.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 1:30:02 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:23:54 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >On 2/19/2021 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/18/2021 10:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>>> Illegal in Virginia Beach too. We don't get much snow but even her
> >>>> have lawa about that.
> >>>
> >>> Heck, just about anything and everything is illegal in Virginia Beach now.
> >>
> >> Does it make you feel limited in your freedom that you can't drive
> >> around in a snow covered car, limiting other drivers' view?
> >
> >I don't drive in snow.
> >
> >Down at the Oceanfront, along the boardwalk, are signs with about a
> >dozen red circles with slashes and pics on them. Showing what you are
> >not allowed to do. Too funny.
> >
> >Would have been easier to have signs telling you what you are allowed to do.
> Are you in a red or a blue state? It could be Marxist oppression
> that's causing all these bans on innocent activities.

Or it could be that fewer rules would be required if people weren't idiots.

<https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/communications-office/fact-or-fiction/Pages/Beach-Rules.aspx>

Cindy Hamilton