"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 May 2019 18:19:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> I just know that in the
>>past, I would get anemic if I didn't eat red meat once or twice a week. I
>>would prefer to eat no meat whatever but that doesn't work for me either.
>
> have you been checked for pernicious anemia?

Yrs. I don't have that. My anemia relates to my ITP.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/28/2019 9:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> She also told me to stop exercising
>>> because it won't make me lose weight.
>>
>> That's not a good doctor, Julie. Everyone should do a certain
>> amount of exercise.
>
> I doubt any legitimate doctor told her to stop exercising.

Then you'd be wrong. This was my hematologist. The reason she gave was that
exercise will not make you lose weight. I skimmed right over that and said
that I was getting older and wanted to maintain muscle mass. This Dr. also
claimed that I had a lump in my armpit but added that it might just be a
muscle or tendon. I told her it may well be because I exercise a lot. That's
when she told me not to do it.

She's young and seems to care more about emotional things than anything
else. She was upset that I was not upset over the lump. I wasn't upset
because there was no lump! I have no clue what she thought she felt but I
can tell you that it was a big waste of a lot of people's time to do the
emergency mammogram and ultrasound.

My Endo told me to stop some years back as it was raising my blood sugar and
I never got the drop that is supposed to happen. It just kept going up. For
whatever reason, that is no longer happening. I am not a person who likes to
sit around all day. Just makes it hard being disabled. I have to be careful
what I do and pace myself.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> She also told me to stop exercising
>> because it won't make me lose weight.
>
> That's not a good doctor, Julie. Everyone should do a certain
> amount of exercise. True that exercise alone won't lose you
> weight...you can run a mile or so and replace the calories burned
> with just an apple. Exercise combined with strict diet is the way
> to lose weight and "fatty liver" is due to being overweight.
>
> Since you are not able to exercise or move around much anyway,
> you need to really cut the calories.

I did not listen to her. I do exercise. I can't run. I can barely walk. I do
dance. Not like I used to, but I do what I can. I also use weights.

I don't take in a lot of calories.

When my thyroid was out of whack, I could gain or lose without doing a
thing. Prior to that, the only way I lost was to take in no more than 1,000
calories a day and exercise to the point of exhaustion/injury. It just was
not worth it. Yes, I lost weight but I was constantly hungry and miserable.
I would have to go to bed and try to sleep so I wouldn't notice the hunger
pains. That's no way to live.

Now I am rarely ever hungry and overall, food just doesn't appeal. I still
like to cook. I don't like to eat.

==

Since I got older, I am like that too! I love to cook and fortunately
for me, D. loves my cooking, but I eat very little

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green beans.
> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam them! I
> opted for the boiling water.
>
> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to be
> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a little
> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder, 1 T
> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make a
> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>
> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just for
> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
> plain brown gravy.

I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough. Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made from fatty liver.

http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08...-teri-jr-jack/

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
>> to
>> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
>> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
>> beans.
>> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
>> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam
>> them! I
>> opted for the boiling water.
>>
>> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
>> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to
>> be
>> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a
>> little
>> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
>> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder,
>> 1 T
>> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make
>> a
>> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
>> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>>
>> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just
>> for
>> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
>> plain brown gravy.
>
> I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it
> home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough.
> Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made
> from fatty liver.
>
> http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08...-teri-jr-jack/

Hehehe.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
> beans.
> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam them!
> I
> opted for the boiling water.
>
> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to
> be
> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a little
> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder, 1
> T
> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make
> a
> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>
> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just for
> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
> plain brown gravy.

I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it
home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough.
Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made
from fatty liver.

http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08...-teri-jr-jack/

===

What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary wrote:
> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> >>
> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> >
> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> >
> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> >work.
>
> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> normally again?

Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
by being more active during the warm months.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I lost 30 pounds too. I managed to keep it off for a year but I grew tired
> of being hungry all the time and eating mostly salad. Amazing how fast the
> weight flies back on!

But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Gary wrote:
> > >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> > >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> > >>
> > >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> > >
> > >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> > >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> > >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> > >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> > >
> > >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> > >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> > >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> > >work.
> >
> > And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> > normally again?
>
> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.

Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
afterward.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
>>>>>> maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>>>>>
>>>>> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
>>>>
>>>> Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
>>>> in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
>>>> was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
>>>> quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
>>>>
>>>> The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
>>>> weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
>>>> need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
>>>> work.
>>>
>>> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
>>> normally again?
>>
>> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.
>
> Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
> diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
> afterward.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
>

If you go on a strict diet, and it €œchanges your habits€�, then have you
really gone off your diet at all? Id much rather learn to eat healthfully
to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a €œpermanent€� strict diet.
Ive kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I dont
€œdiet€� to keep it off.

On Wed, 29 May 2019 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Gary wrote:
>> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
>> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>> >>
>> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
>> >
>> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
>> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
>> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
>> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
>> >
>> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
>> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
>> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
>> >work.
>>
>> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
>> normally again?
>
>Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
>each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
>by being more active during the warm months.

I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
come back the moment you stopped.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary wrote:
> >>>>>> Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> >>>>>> maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> >>>>
> >>>> Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> >>>> in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> >>>> was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> >>>> quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> >>>>
> >>>> The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> >>>> weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> >>>> need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> >>>> work.
> >>>
> >>> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> >>> normally again?
> >>
> >> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.
> >
> > Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
> > diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
> > afterward.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >
>
> If you go on a strict diet, and it €œchanges your habits€�, then have you
> really gone off your diet at all?

If you're running, say, a 1000 calorie/day deficit to lose weight quickly
when you're done you've got to adjust back up to some sort of maintenance
plan. That certainly is "going off your diet", and that's where a lot
of dieters fail. They know how to eat badly and they know how to starve
themselves, but nowhere in there do they learn to eat sensibly.

You and Gary both have succeeded. If everybody succeeded, the term
"yo-yo dieting" wouldn't exist.

> Id much rather learn to eat healthfully
> to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a €œpermanent€� strict diet.
> Ive kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I dont
> €œdiet€� to keep it off.

So would I. I'd rather diet at a 100 calorie/day deficit, by cutting
way back on carbs (and swapping in brown ones for white ones). Then
the difference between dieting and not dieting is about one slice of bread.
Instead of dieting, you're just eating differently.

Cindy Hamilton

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
>> to
>> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
>> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
>> beans.
>> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
>> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam
>> them! I
>> opted for the boiling water.
>>
>> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
>> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to
>> be
>> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a
>> little
>> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
>> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder,
>> 1 T
>> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make
>> a
>> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
>> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>>
>> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just
>> for
>> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
>> plain brown gravy.
>
> I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it
> home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough.
> Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made
> from fatty liver.
>
> http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08...-teri-jr-jack/
>
> ===
>
> What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

A hamburger with Teriyaki sauce and usually a pineapple ring.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I lost 30 pounds too. I managed to keep it off for a year but I grew
>> tired
>> of being hungry all the time and eating mostly salad. Amazing how fast
>> the
>> weight flies back on!
>
> But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
> strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
> Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
> more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.

Mine didn't. I was in my 20's when I went on the diet. I have been pretty
much the same weight now since my 30's. I'm 59 now. My thyroid, pregnancy
and breast feeding did change things temporarily. Now I'm back to that same
weight.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
>> to
>> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
>> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
>> beans.
>> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
>> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam
>> them! I
>> opted for the boiling water.
>>
>> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
>> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to
>> be
>> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a
>> little
>> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
>> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder,
>> 1 T
>> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make
>> a
>> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
>> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>>
>> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just
>> for
>> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
>> plain brown gravy.
>
> I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it
> home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough.
> Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made
> from fatty liver.
>
> http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08...-teri-jr-jack/
>
> ===
>
> What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

A hamburger with Teriyaki sauce and usually a pineapple ring.

===

Thanks That sounds better)

On 5/29/2019 3:26 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message

>> But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
>> strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
>> Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
>> more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.
>
> Mine didn't. I was in my 20's when I went on the diet. I have been
> pretty much the same weight now since my 30's. I'm 59 now. My thyroid,
> pregnancy and breast feeding did change things temporarily. Now I'm back
> to that same weight.

My metabolism slowed but I'm still the same shoe size as the day I got
married 53 years ago. Same sock size too!

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
>>>>>>>> maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
>>>>>> in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
>>>>>> was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
>>>>>> quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
>>>>>> weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
>>>>>> need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
>>>>> normally again?
>>>>
>>>> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.
>>>
>>> Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
>>> diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
>>> afterward.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you go on a strict diet, and it €œchanges your habits€�, then have you
>> really gone off your diet at all?
>
> If you're running, say, a 1000 calorie/day deficit to lose weight quickly
> when you're done you've got to adjust back up to some sort of maintenance
> plan. That certainly is "going off your diet", and that's where a lot
> of dieters fail. They know how to eat badly and they know how to starve
> themselves, but nowhere in there do they learn to eat sensibly.
>
> You and Gary both have succeeded. If everybody succeeded, the term
> "yo-yo dieting" wouldn't exist.
>
>> Id much rather learn to eat healthfully
>> to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a €œpermanent€� strict diet.
>> Ive kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I dont
>> €œdiet€� to keep it off.
>
> So would I. I'd rather diet at a 100 calorie/day deficit, by cutting
> way back on carbs (and swapping in brown ones for white ones). Then
> the difference between dieting and not dieting is about one slice of bread.
> Instead of dieting, you're just eating differently.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Exactly! I yo-yo dieted for years and years, then I finally learned how to
eat, not how to diet. Its made all the difference.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/29/2019 3:26 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>
>>> But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
>>> strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
>>> Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
>>> more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.
>>
>> Mine didn't. I was in my 20's when I went on the diet. I have been pretty
>> much the same weight now since my 30's. I'm 59 now. My thyroid, pregnancy
>> and breast feeding did change things temporarily. Now I'm back to that
>> same weight.
>
> My metabolism slowed but I'm still the same shoe size as the day I got
> married 53 years ago. Same sock size too!

I used to wear 7.5 or 8 M. Very common size. Something happened when I got
pregnant. Now I wear 9W. My feet aren't actually wide. I have a high instep
and for whatever reason, it got higher. I do have problems with socks. I
didn't before. Now they can be too tight around my feet and ankles. I have
slender legs but they do swell. I think that's the problem.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
>>>>>>>>> maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
>>>>>>> in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
>>>>>>> was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
>>>>>>> quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
>>>>>>> weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
>>>>>>> need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
>>>>>> normally again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
>>>> diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
>>>> afterward.
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you go on a strict diet, and it €œchanges your habits€�, then have you
>>> really gone off your diet at all?
>>
>> If you're running, say, a 1000 calorie/day deficit to lose weight quickly
>> when you're done you've got to adjust back up to some sort of maintenance
>> plan. That certainly is "going off your diet", and that's where a lot
>> of dieters fail. They know how to eat badly and they know how to starve
>> themselves, but nowhere in there do they learn to eat sensibly.
>>
>> You and Gary both have succeeded. If everybody succeeded, the term
>> "yo-yo dieting" wouldn't exist.
>>
>>> Id much rather learn to eat healthfully
>>> to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a €œpermanent€� strict diet.
>>> Ive kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I dont
>>> €œdiet€� to keep it off.
>>
>> So would I. I'd rather diet at a 100 calorie/day deficit, by cutting
>> way back on carbs (and swapping in brown ones for white ones). Then
>> the difference between dieting and not dieting is about one slice of
>> bread.
>> Instead of dieting, you're just eating differently.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> Exactly! I yo-yo dieted for years and years, then I finally learned how
> to
> eat, not how to diet. Its made all the difference.

I never did the yo-yo thing.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ===
>
> What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food, burger sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for quite a tasty, cheap, burger.

Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger or a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to the past.

https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso...andwiches.html

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ===
>
> What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food, burger
sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for
quite a tasty, cheap, burger.

Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger or
a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in
teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to the
past.

https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso...andwiches.html

=====

Thank you Is the beef marinated before cooking or added after? Both
the burgers and the sliced beef?

I use teriyaki marinade a lot, especially with pork and the sauce with
rice etc

Thanks to you I experiment a lot with things like this. We love it)

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 May 2019 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Gary wrote:
> >> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> >> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> >> >>
> >> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> >> >
> >> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> >> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> >> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> >> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> >> >
> >> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> >> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> >> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> >> >work.
> >>
> >> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> >> normally again?
> >
> >Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
> >each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
> >by being more active during the warm months.
>
> I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
> changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
> come back the moment you stopped.

Actually what I did was switch from a "slowly gaining weight"
lifestyle (not enough exercise and eating too much) to a very
strict but temporary diet lifestyle just to lose weight fast.
Once I lost the weight, I started a new lifestyle, (not return to
the old one) more exercise and eating a bit less. Just to
maintain weight but not gain.

Metabolism does slow down after age 40 or so. After that, people
need to start exercising a bit more and eating a bit less.

Basically what I did food wise was go from a 12-sandwich lunch to
a 4-sandwich lunch to lose weight fast. After the weight loss, I
moved to an 8-sandwich lunch to maintain weight but not gain.
Don't you love that analogy?

Note: analogy thanks to Eddie Murphy. In "Eddie Murphy Raw"
concert/movie, he referred to a fat man as a "12-sandwich-eating
MotherF___er". I was in tears laughing.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 8:50:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 May 2019 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > >Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Gary wrote:
> > >> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> > >> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> > >> >
> > >> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> > >> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> > >> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> > >> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> > >> >
> > >> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> > >> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> > >> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> > >> >work.
> > >>
> > >> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> > >> normally again?
> > >
> > >Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
> > >each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
> > >by being more active during the warm months.
> >
> > I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
> > changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
> > come back the moment you stopped.
>
> Actually what I did was switch from a "slowly gaining weight"
> lifestyle (not enough exercise and eating too much) to a very
> strict but temporary diet lifestyle just to lose weight fast.
> Once I lost the weight, I started a new lifestyle, (not return to
> the old one) more exercise and eating a bit less. Just to
> maintain weight but not gain.
>
> Metabolism does slow down after age 40 or so. After that, people
> need to start exercising a bit more and eating a bit less.
>
> Basically what I did food wise was go from a 12-sandwich lunch to
> a 4-sandwich lunch to lose weight fast. After the weight loss, I
> moved to an 8-sandwich lunch to maintain weight but not gain.
> Don't you love that analogy?
>
> Note: analogy thanks to Eddie Murphy. In "Eddie Murphy Raw"
> concert/movie, he referred to a fat man as a "12-sandwich-eating
> MotherF___er". I was in tears laughing.

Pants. When a regular guy's pants get too tight, he cuts back
on eating and/or increases his exercise. When a fat guy's pants
get too tight, he buys bigger pants.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 8:50:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 May 2019 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Bruce wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Gary wrote:
> > > >> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> > > >> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> > > >> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> > > >> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> > > >> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> > > >> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> > > >> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> > > >> >work.
> > > >>
> > > >> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> > > >> normally again?
> > > >
> > > >Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
> > > >each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
> > > >by being more active during the warm months.
> > >
> > > I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
> > > changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
> > > come back the moment you stopped.
> >
> > Actually what I did was switch from a "slowly gaining weight"
> > lifestyle (not enough exercise and eating too much) to a very
> > strict but temporary diet lifestyle just to lose weight fast.
> > Once I lost the weight, I started a new lifestyle, (not return to
> > the old one) more exercise and eating a bit less. Just to
> > maintain weight but not gain.
> >
> > Metabolism does slow down after age 40 or so. After that, people
> > need to start exercising a bit more and eating a bit less.
> >
> > Basically what I did food wise was go from a 12-sandwich lunch to
> > a 4-sandwich lunch to lose weight fast. After the weight loss, I
> > moved to an 8-sandwich lunch to maintain weight but not gain.
> > Don't you love that analogy?
> >
> > Note: analogy thanks to Eddie Murphy. In "Eddie Murphy Raw"
> > concert/movie, he referred to a fat man as a "12-sandwich-eating
> > MotherF___er". I was in tears laughing.
>
> Pants. When a regular guy's pants get too tight, he cuts back
> on eating and/or increases his exercise. When a fat guy's pants
> get too tight, he buys bigger pants.

It's true though.... clothes hanging in a closet for years WILL
shrink. I have a few suits and sports coats that have definitely
shrunk. It's weird.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 2:47:12 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > ===
> >
> > What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?
>
> The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food, burger
> sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for
> quite a tasty, cheap, burger.
>
> Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger or
> a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in
> teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to the
> past.
>
> https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso...andwiches.html
>
> =====
>
> Thank you Is the beef marinated before cooking or added after? Both
> the burgers and the sliced beef?
>
> I use teriyaki marinade a lot, especially with pork and the sauce with
> rice etc
>
> Thanks to you I experiment a lot with things like this. We love it)

You can do it either way. I'm partial to adding teriyaki sauce to cooked meat but traditionally, in Hawaii, teri-beef has been made by marinading in thin teriyaki sauce. If you add the sauce to cooked meat, you should use thick sauce.

Thick teriyaki sauce is easy to make. Add some soy sauce to a pan and add enough sugar to balance out the saltiness. Add almost an equal amount of water and some ginger and a little garlic to taste. I don't usually add garlic but some people do. Thicken with some corn starch/flour slurry.

There's a lot of stuff happening on this rock, food-wise. The other day, a woman proudly showed me her pasta machine that she got from Japan. I wanted to take her picture with it but she was too shy.

Here's what I had yesterday. It's mochi rice cooked in coconut milk, mango, and haupia (coconut) sauce. It's pretty good if you like that kind of stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...9FJwrYI-os_z_M

On Thu, 30 May 2019 11:23:49 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 8:50:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > Bruce wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 29 May 2019 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Bruce wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Gary wrote:
>> > > >> >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
>> > > >> >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
>> > > >> >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
>> > > >> >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
>> > > >> >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
>> > > >> >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
>> > > >> >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
>> > > >> >work.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
>> > > >> normally again?
>> > > >
>> > > >Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
>> > > >each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
>> > > >by being more active during the warm months.
>> > >
>> > > I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
>> > > changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
>> > > come back the moment you stopped.
>> >
>> > Actually what I did was switch from a "slowly gaining weight"
>> > lifestyle (not enough exercise and eating too much) to a very
>> > strict but temporary diet lifestyle just to lose weight fast.
>> > Once I lost the weight, I started a new lifestyle, (not return to
>> > the old one) more exercise and eating a bit less. Just to
>> > maintain weight but not gain.
>> >
>> > Metabolism does slow down after age 40 or so. After that, people
>> > need to start exercising a bit more and eating a bit less.
>> >
>> > Basically what I did food wise was go from a 12-sandwich lunch to
>> > a 4-sandwich lunch to lose weight fast. After the weight loss, I
>> > moved to an 8-sandwich lunch to maintain weight but not gain.
>> > Don't you love that analogy?
>> >
>> > Note: analogy thanks to Eddie Murphy. In "Eddie Murphy Raw"
>> > concert/movie, he referred to a fat man as a "12-sandwich-eating
>> > MotherF___er". I was in tears laughing.
>>
>> Pants. When a regular guy's pants get too tight, he cuts back
>> on eating and/or increases his exercise. When a fat guy's pants
>> get too tight, he buys bigger pants.
>
>It's true though.... clothes hanging in a closet for years WILL
>shrink. I have a few suits and sports coats that have definitely
>shrunk. It's weird.

I see my GP, about every three months, naturally each time Nurse Nancy
does my BP, Pulse, and gets my weight. After age 70 I began gaining
like 1-2 pounds each visit, after a year my doctor said that's
typical, as people age they are less active, tend to eat more, and
their digestive tract slows. His advice was Meta Mucil every day and
it worked, weight came off with no effort because I ate less because
Meta Mucil makes one feel full. My doctor recommends that everyone
over 50 should be taking Meta Mucil. I take a rounded tsp in a 10 oz
glass of water every day after my 10 AM brunch. Each person will need
to figure out their own dosing, but that's easy, directions are on the
package.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 2:47:12 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > ===
> >
> > What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?
>
> The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food,
> burger
> sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for
> quite a tasty, cheap, burger.
>
> Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger
> or
> a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in
> teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to
> the
> past.
>
> https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso...andwiches.html
>
> =====
>
> Thank you Is the beef marinated before cooking or added after?
> Both
> the burgers and the sliced beef?
>
> I use teriyaki marinade a lot, especially with pork and the sauce
> with
> rice etc
>
> Thanks to you I experiment a lot with things like this. We love
> it)

You can do it either way. I'm partial to adding teriyaki sauce to cooked
meat but traditionally, in Hawaii, teri-beef has been made by marinading in
thin teriyaki sauce. If you add the sauce to cooked meat, you should use
thick sauce.

Thanks! That is what I have been doing, but I never knew if it was
right or not )))

Thick teriyaki sauce is easy to make. Add some soy sauce to a pan and add
enough sugar to balance out the saltiness. Add almost an equal amount of
water and some ginger and a little garlic to taste. I don't usually add
garlic but some people do. Thicken with some corn starch/flour slurry.

Gosh! I buy it in bottles here. I have kept that recipe though in
case I need it.

There's a lot of stuff happening on this rock, food-wise. The other day, a
woman proudly showed me her pasta machine that she got from Japan. I wanted
to take her picture with it but she was too shy.

Do you mean a pasta cutter?

Here's what I had yesterday. It's mochi rice cooked in coconut milk, mango,
and haupia (coconut) sauce. It's pretty good if you like that kind of stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...9FJwrYI-os_z_M

That looks odd <g> Hope you enjoyed it)

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 2:47:12 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > ===
> >
> > What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?
>
> The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food,
> burger
> sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for
> quite a tasty, cheap, burger.
>
> Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger
> or
> a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in
> teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to
> the
> past.
>
> https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso...andwiches.html
>
> =====
>
> Thank you Is the beef marinated before cooking or added after?
> Both
> the burgers and the sliced beef?
>
> I use teriyaki marinade a lot, especially with pork and the sauce
> with
> rice etc
>
> Thanks to you I experiment a lot with things like this. We love
> it)

You can do it either way. I'm partial to adding teriyaki sauce to cooked
meat but traditionally, in Hawaii, teri-beef has been made by marinading in
thin teriyaki sauce. If you add the sauce to cooked meat, you should use
thick sauce.

Thick teriyaki sauce is easy to make. Add some soy sauce to a pan and add
enough sugar to balance out the saltiness. Add almost an equal amount of
water and some ginger and a little garlic to taste. I don't usually add
garlic but some people do. Thicken with some corn starch/flour slurry.

Thanks very much!

There's a lot of stuff happening on this rock, food-wise. The other day, a
woman proudly showed me her pasta machine that she got from Japan. I wanted
to take her picture with it but she was too shy.

Do you mean the pasta cutter? I have one of those)

Here's what I had yesterday. It's mochi rice cooked in coconut milk, mango,
and haupia (coconut) sauce. It's pretty good if you like that kind of stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...9FJwrYI-os_z_M

I have never eaten anything like that so I can't comment except to
say, I am glad you enjoyed it)