On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> my recipe:
>
> http://hizzoners.com/index.php/recip...outh-pecan-pie
>
No doubt about it, that does look good! But the link to your pie crust is
is a 404 error. (sniff-sniff)

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:33:10 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
> >
> > my recipe:
> >
> > http://hizzoners.com/index.php/recip...outh-pecan-pie
> >
> No doubt about it, that does look good! But the link to your pie crust is
> is a 404 error. (sniff-sniff)

Here is my (my mother's) pie crust recipe:

2 cups flour (White Swan)
1.5 sticks unsalted butter, 60F in temp (cool room temp)
1 tsp salt

Cut together with forks until butter lumps are tiny (squeeze thru fork tines) and flour covered.

Add 1/3 cup COLD 40% cream, stir together briefly! Add sprinkle of cold water if not coming together into dough rapidly. STOP STIRRING when dough comes together. Leaving a little unmixed is superior to mixing them in! You can press them together later so now bunch up into a lump gently and put in plastic wrap to completely cover and and let rest for 1 hour min. in cool place before working. Overnight in cool place best. Can be refrigerated or frozen, but let come to cool room temp (60F-ish is perfect) before working.


John Kuthe...

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
> >
> > my recipe:
> >
> > http://hizzoners.com/index.php/recip...outh-pecan-pie
> >
> No doubt about it, that does look good! But the link to your pie crust is
> is a 404 error. (sniff-sniff)

uh oh . the site was updated so I'll need to go in and fix that.

> wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> my recipe:
>>
>> http://hizzoners.com/index.php/recip...outh-pecan-pie
>>
> No doubt about it, that does look good! But the link to your pie crust is
> is a 404 error. (sniff-sniff)

Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me, always
turns out great, tender and flaky.

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...recipe-1919026

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me, always
> turns out great, tender and flaky.
>
> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...recipe-1919026
>
I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she uses
half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients in the
food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at the camera
and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and I guess she's
found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie crusts. :-))

> wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me, always
>> turns out great, tender and flaky.
>>
>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...recipe-1919026
>>
> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she uses
> half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients in the
> food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at the camera
> and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and I guess she's
> found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie crusts. :-))

Yes, probably.

Cheri

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:30 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 03:33 4 Nov 2018, "
> wrote in
:
>
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me,
>>> always turns out great, tender and flaky.
>>>
>>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...ie-crust-recip
>>> e-1919026
>>>
>> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she
>> uses half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients
>> in the food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at
>> the camera and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and
>> I guess she's found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie
>> crusts. :-))
>
>Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
>waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.

I don't think one makes pastry daily, so when I do make pastry I
always use lard. I have no excess weight.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:19:47 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:30 GMT, Pamela >
....
> >Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
> >waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>
> I don't think one makes pastry daily, so when I do make pastry I
> always use lard. I have no excess weight.

Lard does not make one fat. Lack of proper balanced diet and lack of EXERCISE makes one fat! And excessive use of ALCOHOL!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

On 2018-11-05 6:41 AM, Pamela wrote:
> On 03:33 4 Nov 2018, "
> > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me,
>>> always turns out great, tender and flaky.
>>>
>>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...ie-crust-recip
>>> e-1919026
>>>
>> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she
>> uses half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients
>> in the food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at
>> the camera and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and
>> I guess she's found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie
>> crusts. :-))
>
> Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
> waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>
Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.

On 2018-11-05 10:19 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 6:41 AM, Pamela wrote:

>> Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders
>> for her
>> waistline.Â* The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>>
> Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.


Anna Olsen uses a lot of butter and cream in her cooking. Having met
her several times I can tell you that she looks a lot heavier on TV than
she does in real life. She told me that rich things are more satisfying
so you don't eat as much. There is a lot of truth to that. When I used
to make ice cream I found that one scoop of that stuff was enough. My
mother used to make mince meat pies with a lard crust, and one small
slice of that was very filling.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
....
> Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.

Well, yes and no. Historically we humans always used animal and vegetable fats in our diet, but with the advent of "Better Living Through Chemistry" we developed many more dietary fats chemically. The "partially hydrogenated" fats in particular is NOT particularly good for humans to consume in excess or exclusively in our diets!

And *I* use a lot of "all butter"! And I am SHRINKING! :-)

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:30 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:
>
> >On 03:33 4 Nov 2018, "
> > wrote in
> :
> >
> >>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...ie-crust-recip
> >>> e-1919026
> >>>
> >> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she
> >> uses half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients
> >> in the food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at
> >> the camera and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and
> >> I guess she's found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie
> >> crusts. :-))
> >
> >Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
> >waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>
>
Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't, nor
can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round does
not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>
> On 2018-11-05 6:41 AM, Pamela wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
> > waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
> >
> Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.
>
Not necessarily. Ina, like a good many of us, is overweight because she and
the rest of over eat and mostly the wrong things. But lard has more unsaturated fats than saturated fats whereas butter has more unsaturated fats.
But there's more to it than just saturated and unsaturated fats.

On 2018-11-05 10:54 AM, Pamela wrote:
> On 15:19 5 Nov 2018, graham > wrote in
> news >
>> On 2018-11-05 6:41 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 03:33 4 Nov 2018, "
>>> > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of all the pie crusts I've tried, Ina Gartens' is the best to me,
>>>>> always turns out great, tender and flaky.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...-pie-crust-rec
>>>>> ip e-1919026
>>>>>
>>>> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she
>>>> uses half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her
>>>> ingredients in the food processor and says half lard and half butter
>>>> she looks at the camera and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think
>>>> that's funny and I guess she's found out lowly little ol' lard does
>>>> wonders for her pie crusts. :-))
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders
>>> for her waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>>>
>> Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.
>
> I agree. Butter and lard are very dense in calories and it's all too
> easy to eat more of such ingredients, which can be very palatable, than
> your body needs.
>
My mother used lard for all her pastry (and she was an excellent baker)
but I use half lard and half butter for the flavour. Also all butter for
my d-i-l who is a vegetarian (but eats fish).

On 11/5/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:30 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:

>>> Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
>>> waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>>
>>
> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't, nor
> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round does
> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.

Agreed. She advocates well tested recipes with good ingredients,
I never saw her saying people should overindulge in anything.

nancy

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-6, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> ...
> > Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.
>
> Well, yes and no. Historically we humans always used animal and vegetable fats in our diet, but with the advent of "Better Living Through Chemistry" we developed many more dietary fats chemically. The "partially hydrogenated" fats in particular is NOT particularly good for humans to consume in excess or exclusively in our diets!
>
> And *I* use a lot of "all butter"! And I am SHRINKING! :-)
>
> John Kuthe€¦
>
I'm not shrinking but I have a few indulgences in my life that I'm going to
satisfy.

I don't own a full length mink coat
I don't drive a Bentley Mulsanne
I don't have a vacation home on the Riviera.

But I do treat myself to:

Whole milk
real butter
good cheeses
rich desserts when the opportunity arises
satellite radio in my car

Pretty sure there are many other indulgences but these come readily to mind..

On 2018-11-05 2:20 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 10:54 AM, Pamela wrote:

>> I agree.Â* Butter and lard are very dense in calories and it's all too
>> easy to eat more of such ingredients, which can be very palatable, than
>> your body needs.
>>
> My mother used lard for all her pastry (and she was an excellent baker)
> but I use half lard and half butter for the flavour. Also all butter for
> my d-i-l who is a vegetarian (but eats fish).

My mother was a good baker and always used lard for pie pastry. She
always raved about my pies. Maybe she was just being a good mommy and
complimenting me. I made it the same way she did, but I used Crisco
instead of lard for dessert pies. I use lard for meat pies.

On 2018-11-05 12:17 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-11-05 6:41 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for her
>>> waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>>>
>> Fat is fat is fat. She'd be equally fat if she used all butter.
>>
> Not necessarily. Ina, like a good many of us, is overweight because she and
> the rest of over eat and mostly the wrong things. But lard has more unsaturated fats than saturated fats whereas butter has more unsaturated fats.
> But there's more to it than just saturated and unsaturated fats.
>
They both have the same calorific value so it doesn't matter which you
use when it comes to potential weight gain.

On 11/5/2018 2:29 PM, wrote:

>>
> I'm not shrinking but I have a few indulgences in my life that I'm going to
> satisfy.
>
> I don't own a full length mink coat
> I don't drive a Bentley Mulsanne
> I don't have a vacation home on the Riviera.
>
> But I do treat myself to:
>
> Whole milk
> real butter
> good cheeses
> rich desserts when the opportunity arises
> satellite radio in my car
>
> Pretty sure there are many other indulgences but these come readily to mind.
>

Toss in an occasional nice bottle of wine and some time with good
friends and life is good.

On 11/5/2018 9:19 AM, wrote:

> I don't think one makes pastry daily, so when I do make pastry I
> always use lard. I have no excess weight.
>
I almost always use half lard, half butter.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 11/5/2018 9:19 AM, wrote:
>
> > I don't think one makes pastry daily, so when I do make pastry I
> > always use lard. I have no excess weight.
> >
> I almost always use half lard, half butter.

+1

Janet UK.

> wrote in message
...
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:30 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>>
>> >On 03:33 4 Nov 2018, "
>> > wrote in
>> :
>> >
>> >>> https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...ie-crust-recip
>> >>> e-1919026
>> >>>
>> >> I've seen on her show lately (maybe it was an old re-run?) where she
>> >> uses half butter and half lard. When she dumps all of her ingredients
>> >> in the food processor and says half lard and half butter she looks at
>> >> the camera and says "Don't ask, just do it." I think that's funny and
>> >> I guess she's found out lowly little ol' lard does wonders for her pie
>> >> crusts. :-))
>> >
>> >Unfortunately Ina Garten's love of lard hasn't exactly done wonders for
>> >her
>> >waistline. The overindulgence she advocates is not healthy.
>>
>>
> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
> nor
> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
> does
> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.


To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV are
not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of meat
on them.

Cheri

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
...
>>
>> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
>> nor
>> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
>> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
>> does
>> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
>
>
>To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV are
>not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of meat
>on them.

I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
fraiche. Which explains her weight.

On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.

"Brice" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
>>> nor
>>> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
>>> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
>>> does
>>> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
>>
>>
>>To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV
>>are
>>not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of
>>meat
>>on them.
>
> I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
> recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
> fraiche. Which explains her weight.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
> Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.


True, and they say that Giada DeLaurentis a very tiny cook who cooks with
the same type foods that Ina does, doesn't eat the food she tastes on her
shows, but instead has a bucket that she spits it into. Now, I don't know
the truth of that, but it would be disgusting to me. Give me Ina any day.

Cheri

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:01:49 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Brice" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
>>>> nor
>>>> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
>>>> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
>>>> does
>>>> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
>>>
>>>
>>>To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV
>>>are
>>>not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of
>>>meat
>>>on them.
>>
>> I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
>> recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
>> fraiche. Which explains her weight.
>>
>> On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
>> Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.
>
>
>True, and they say that Giada DeLaurentis a very tiny cook who cooks with
>the same type foods that Ina does, doesn't eat the food she tastes on her
>shows, but instead has a bucket that she spits it into. Now, I don't know
>the truth of that, but it would be disgusting to me. Give me Ina any day.

I agree. At least she's honest. Giada's probably anorexic.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
> >> nor
> >> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
> >> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
> >> does
> >> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
> >
> >
> >To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV are
> >not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of meat
> >on them.
>
> I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
> recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
> fraiche. Which explains her weight.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
> Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.

"socks on a rooster"

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:52:04 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
>> >> nor
>> >> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
>> >> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
>> >> does
>> >> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
>> >
>> >
>> >To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV are
>> >not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of meat
>> >on them.
>>
>> I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
>> recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
>> fraiche. Which explains her weight.
>>
>> On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
>> Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.
>
>"socks on a rooster"
>
>Cindy Hamilton

There's a feral cat here we named Socks, all black with four white
anklets.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:52:04 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:33 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> Ina using lard is a new addition of ingredients on her show so I can't,
>> >> nor
>> >> can you, say she has a love of lard. Not once has she ever advocated
>> >> overindulgence on any of her programs. Just because the woman is round
>> >> does
>> >> not mean she is advocating over eating to her audience.
>> >
>> >
>> >To say nothing of the fact that the really fat men (cooks, hosts) on TV are
>> >not held to the same scrutiny. Most really good tv cooks have a bit of meat
>> >on them.
>>
>> I find Ina a pleasant TV personality, but it's true that many of her
>> recipes (that I've seen) are about mixing butter, full cream and creme
>> fraiche. Which explains her weight.
>>
>> On the other hand, I wouldn't trust a cook who looked like Mick
>> Jagger. His skin looks like a sock with too small a foot in it.
>
>"socks on a rooster"

Yes